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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16194	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16195	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16196	From: harry perry	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!/Ken
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16197	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16198	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16199	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16200	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16201	From: Patrick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16202	From: Patrick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16203	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16204	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Artificial sea water : m rosenbergii hatchery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16205	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Artificial sea water : m rosenbergii hatchery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16206	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16207	From: wendie	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16208	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16209	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16210	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16211	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16212	From: Russell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: my goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16213	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16214	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: my goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16215	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: my goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16216	From: Subodh Chand	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1082
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16217	From: amit mhamane	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16219	From: Karen	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: New to group, brackish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16221	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16222	From: paul helms	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16223	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16224	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16225	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16226	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16227	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16228	From: Karen	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Brackish Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16229	From: KttmfC	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Saltwater fish only
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16231	From: Tara	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16233	From: Patrick	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16234	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16235	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?/Luis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16236	From: Laura	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16237	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16238	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16239	From: Patrick	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16240	From: Laura	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16241	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16242	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16243	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16244	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16245	From: Evita	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16246	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16247	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16248	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16249	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16250	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16251	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16252	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Angel tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16253	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Angel tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16254	From: KttmfC	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: trying again...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16255	From: Kevin	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: trying again...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16256	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16257	From: Karen	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16258	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16259	From: Karen	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16260	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Molly question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16261	From: John Gonzalez	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16262	From: wendie	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16263	From: wendie	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16264	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16265	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16266	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16267	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16268	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16269	From: RUFUS BARR	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Seagrass seeds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16270	From: Sean McQuilken	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16271	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: strange Clown Knife behavior question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16272	From: Karen	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16273	From: Patrick	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16274	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16275	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16276	From: muskie4817	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Swordtail problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16277	From: tydrake	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16278	From: mariuxi0212	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: wanted: mr. krabs aqua figure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16279	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: My Angelfish is gone. (Was Re: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16280	From: Karen	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16281	From: Justin M.	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16282	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16283	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Fish Identity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16284	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16285	From: wendie	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16286	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16287	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16288	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16289	From: Pat Jellison	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16290	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16291	From: wantvws	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16292	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Inside Filter 4 W, 500 liters per hour, Altmann, if I recall it cor
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16293	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16294	From: scott johnston	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16295	From: wendie	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16296	From: wantvws	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16297	From: harry perry	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: question/Wendie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16298	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16299	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16300	From: wantvws	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16301	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16302	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16303	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16304	From: harry perry	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired/L & D Moore
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16305	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16306	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Fish Caught in Net
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16307	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16308	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16309	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16310	From: wantvws	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16311	From: John Hawley	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill Spirit
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16312	From: Karen	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Water purification/Thanks for the input
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16313	From: Andreas	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Water purification/Thanks for the input
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16314	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Water purification/Thanks for the input
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16315	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill Spiri
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16316	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16317	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Ki ll at Arboretum Won’t Chill
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16318	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Ki ll at Arboretum Wonââ,¬â"¢t
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16319	From: harry perry	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16320	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16321	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16322	From: tydrake	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16323	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16324	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16325	From: scott johnston	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16326	From: harry perry	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16327	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16328	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16329	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16330	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16331	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16332	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16333	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16334	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16335	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16336	From: Kevin	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16337	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16338	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16339	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16340	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16341	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16342	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16343	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16344	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16345	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16346	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16347	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16348	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16349	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: puffer problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16350	From: Cydne	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Water fleas or Daphnia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16351	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build an
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16352	From: tydrake	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Weird parasite
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16353	From: Tiger	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Hi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16354	From: Tiger	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: thank you
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16355	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Inside Filter 4 W, 500 liters per hour, Altmann, if I recall it
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16356	From: historyfan92	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16357	From: Steve Sears	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16358	From: ljns27	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Wanted: Breeders or Infor on the Christmas Fulu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16359	From: mur57891@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16360	From: flecker69	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16361	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Weird parasite
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16362	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16363	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16364	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Wanted: Breeders or Infor on the Christmas Fulu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16365	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16366	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16367	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16368	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16369	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16370	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Weird parasite
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16371	From: Patrick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16372	From: red-eye	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16374	From: Patrick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16376	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16377	From: Amalthea X	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16378	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16379	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Thanks, I found the calculator
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16380	From: aclaar877	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Red Temple Help--Discus Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16381	From: Andreas	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Monocirrhus polyacanthus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16382	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16383	From: tydrake	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Need some help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16384	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16385	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: plastic plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16386	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16387	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Need some help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16388	From: wantvws	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Filters?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16389	From: Laura	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16390	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Temple Help--Discus Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16391	From: tydrake	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Need some help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16392	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16393	From: Laura	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16394	From: Cydne	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Sorry!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16396	From: Patrick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sorry!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16397	From: Patrick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16398	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16399	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16400	From: red-eye	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16401	From: George Kawalauskas	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16402	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16403	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16404	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16405	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16406	From: harry perry	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Red Ludwigia/ An unfortunate situation./ A moderator's view.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16407	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: OT: Rules of Behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16408	From: Patrick	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: OT: Rules of Behavior
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16409	From: Kevin	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16410	From: Ty Drake	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16412	From: Karen	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Going Broke
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16413	From: Joe Golesh	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16414	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16415	From: fish_guru2001	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: hello fish friends,
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16416	From: wantvws	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16417	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Going Broke
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16418	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Acriflavine and waterplant death and Guppy Infertility
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16419	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16420	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: CO2 - Fertilizer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16421	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Whale in Thames - London
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16422	From: harry perry	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: CO2 - Fertilizer/Thomas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16423	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: driftwood selection help need
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16424	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16425	From: Deirdre Marr	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Loss of Feather Duster Head?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16426	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16427	From: Rob Dobson	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Introduction
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16428	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16429	From: hank voss	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16430	From: A J Myers	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16431	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Danios are coldwater fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16432	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16433	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16434	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16435	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16436	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16437	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: driftwood contiued
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16438	From: feather2night867	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Newbie saying Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16439	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: amazon sword plant in dire straits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16440	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: amazon sword plant in dire straits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16441	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16442	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: amazon sword plant in dire straits
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16443	From: fishyfishy95	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16444	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16445	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16446	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16447	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16448	From: fishyfishy95	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16449	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16450	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: CNN.com - Scientists discover world's smallest fish - Jan 26, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16451	From: Philp Bob Andrew Dick	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16452	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16453	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Take II
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16454	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16455	From: Sandra	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16456	From: clarkmariposo25@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Whale in Thames - London
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16457	From: Sandy	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16458	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16459	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16460	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16461	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Whale in Thames - London
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16462	From: Sandra	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16463	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16464	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16465	From: wantvws	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Help! Sealer question!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16466	From: hank voss	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help! Sealer question!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16467	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help! Sealer question!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16468	From: Sandy	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16469	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: DIY Ca Reaktor Substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16470	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: MUD system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16471	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: MUD system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16472	From: wantvws	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16473	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16474	From: red-eye	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16475	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16476	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Reply
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16477	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16478	From: Robbie Lawson	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16479	From: harry perry	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Cichlid fans.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16480	From: harry perry	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Cichlid fans. The correct link.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16481	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: Cichlid fans. The correct link.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16482	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: MUD system
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16483	From: Roy Difuntorum	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: my pet shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16484	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16485	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: my pet shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16486	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Color variations w/ lighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16487	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16488	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16489	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16490	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16491	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16492	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16493	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16494	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16495	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16496	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16497	From: wantvws	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16498	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16499	From: Aranel	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: lonely goldfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16500	From: tigerfizh�	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: BREEDING ZEBRA DANIOS :)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16501	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: lonely goldfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16502	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: ADA Aqua Soil - Amazonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16503	From: fish_guru2001	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: my favorite fish forum
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16504	From: Joe Beaudry	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16505	From: Sandy	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16506	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16507	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16508	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Shane
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16509	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Shane
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16510	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Crooked Swimmer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16511	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Crooked Swimmer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16512	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Crooked Swimmer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16513	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Whoa! More fish swimming crooked
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16514	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16515	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16516	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16517	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16518	From: harry perry	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16519	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16520	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Whoa! More fish swimming crooked
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16521	From: dragonman_999	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Beginning
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16522	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16523	From: Richard Troon	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Fluval vs Sump
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16524	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16525	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Pale Firemouth, Dead Eheim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16526	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16527	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16528	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16529	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16530	From: grimwulff	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16531	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Pale Firemouth, Dead Eheim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16532	From: dragonman_999	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: goldfish stress
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16533	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: goldfish stress
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16534	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16535	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16536	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16537	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16538	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16539	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16540	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: goldfish stress
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16541	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16542	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16543	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16544	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16545	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16546	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16547	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16548	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16549	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: gourmi started out thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16550	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16551	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16552	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16553	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16554	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16555	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16556	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16557	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16558	From: payumo_pwu	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16559	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16560	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16561	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16562	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16563	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16564	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16565	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16566	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16567	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Infected Feeers/Bacterial disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16568	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Infected Feeders/Bacterial disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16569	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Infected Feeders/Bacterial disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16570	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Dying of clay based substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16571	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16572	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16573	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16574	From: Leslie	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16575	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16576	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16577	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: salt bath formula for fw fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16578	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: salt bath formula for fw fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16579	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16580	From: Leslie	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16581	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: salt bath formula for fw fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16582	From: jerry young	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16583	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16584	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16585	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16586	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16587	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16588	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16589	From: hank voss	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16590	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16591	From: raleighaquariumsociety	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Raleigh Aquarium Society Workshop - THIS WEEKEND!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16592	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16593	From: }<)))*>	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16594	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16595	From: }<)))*>	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16596	From: Patrick	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16597	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16598	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16599	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16600	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16601	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16602	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16603	From: bigter4	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Filter issue ( whisper)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16604	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Can damaged snail shells heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16605	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: will bullheads eat smaller fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16606	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16607	From: harry perry	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)/All my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16608	From: wendie	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16609	From: KCronan@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Can damaged snail shells heal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16610	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16611	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Hello and HELP
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16612	From: Philip Baird	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Hello and HELP
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16613	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Hello and HELP
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16614	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16615	From: dvgorelov	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Any advice on community tank, please?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16616	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Look at this little gem.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16617	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Look at this little gem./Sorry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16618	From: harryfisherman	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Photos added.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16619	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Photos added.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16620	From: bigter4	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16621	From: bigter4	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)/All my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16622	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: acurel f question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16623	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Albino fish breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16624	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Aquarium Water vs. Water in the Wild
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16625	From: hank voss	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16626	From: hank voss	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16627	From: Sandy	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: tropical tank ph question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16628	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: tropical tank ph question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16629	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: tropical tank ph question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16630	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16631	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16632	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16633	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Kuli Loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16634	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Wood suitable for canopy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16635	From: hank voss	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Wood suitable for canopy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16636	From: Phil	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any advice on community tank, please?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16637	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: greetings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16638	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16639	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Wood suitable for canopy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16640	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any advice on community tank, please?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16641	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy re
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16642	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: I am at odds with this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16643	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: I am at odds with this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16644	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16645	From: supamii	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16646	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: I am at odds with this.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16647	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16648	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16649	From: Patrick	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16650	From: Captain Dudedude	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Help me!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16651	From: supamii	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16652	From: supamii	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16653	From: dreammaker2623	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16654	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16655	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16656	From: supamii	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16657	From: Captain Dudedude	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16658	From: hank voss	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16659	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16660	From: hank voss	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16661	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16662	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16663	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16664	From: Brian	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16665	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16666	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16667	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Cloudy aglae water ...HELP
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16668	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16669	From: heather norton	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16670	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: OT: Diamondback Terrapin Survey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16671	From: J G	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: sick (?) Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16675	From: Brian	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16676	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE REAL HIM?/To Ahmad
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16677	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16678	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16679	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16680	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16681	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16682	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16683	From: harry perry	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16684	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16685	From: cody adams	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: hello everyone
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16686	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: hello everyone
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16687	From: Brian	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: one more cleaning question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16688	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16689	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: one more cleaning question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16690	From: cody adams	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: a question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16691	From: Saphire Draco	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16692	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16693	From: Ash	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1147
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16694	From: Alesha-Animal and Anime lover!	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: New Here!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16695	From: harry perry	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: A true story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16696	From: kevin shaw	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16697	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16698	From: harry perry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16699	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16700	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16701	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Happy Clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16702	From: Gregg	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: New member in DFW,TX
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16703	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Tetras Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16704	From: SuNnY	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16705	From: hank voss	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16706	From: cody adams	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16707	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: A true story
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16708	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16709	From: dawnmvo	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: I've got something goin on????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16710	From: harry perry	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Valeen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16711	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: hello all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16712	From: Ro	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: trip to brazil & peru
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16713	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: hello all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16714	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: trip to brazil & peru
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16715	From: paul	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: hello all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16716	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: trip to brazil & peru
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16717	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16718	From: harry perry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16719	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16720	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16721	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Pix posted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16722	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16723	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16724	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16725	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16726	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16727	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16728	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16729	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16730	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16731	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16732	From: wagtail65	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: UPDATE: Livebearer & Guppy Mega-Event April 28-30
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16733	From: alexr1229	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: New tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16734	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Pix posted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16735	From: clarkmariposo25@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: aquatic Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16736	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16737	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: New tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16738	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: wow...Its Jaws.!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16739	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: New tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16740	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: New Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16741	From: 42	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16742	From: 42	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16743	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Discus Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16744	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Discus Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16745	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16746	From: fiddlenero	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Reliable web resources/books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16747	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Discus Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16748	From: steve	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16749	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16750	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16751	From: kwtrkbldr	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Looking for Puget Sound Information
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16752	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16753	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16754	From: kwtrkbldr	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16755	From: Daniel	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16756	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results~Sandy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16757	From: fiddlenero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16758	From: fiddlenero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16759	From: Ivan Chester Canoy	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16760	From: earl martin santos	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16761	From: Gianluca Polgar	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: mudskippers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16762	From: Jerry Young	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16763	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Feeding earthworms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16764	From: Kurt Johnston	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: New Group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16765	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16766	From: jerry young	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Barbs and Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16767	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16768	From: paul	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16769	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16770	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Freshwater Moray ell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16771	From: earl martin santos	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16772	From: stormyeyedbabe	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16773	From: Jerry Young	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16774	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: New pic upload
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16775	From: Andreas	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater Moray ell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16776	From: paul	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater Moray ell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16777	From: Phil	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Firemouths!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16778	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16779	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: New pic upload
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16780	From: Scott Vaughn	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: albino fish breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16781	From: bigter4	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16782	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16783	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16784	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Finally decided what to do with...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16786	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: George..!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16787	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Walking cats(Clarias batrachus)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16788	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Starting a canister filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16789	From: cody adams	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16790	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16791	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16792	From: cody adams	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16793	From: Jenny & Wayne	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Att: Edmonton AB members
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16794	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16795	From: cody adams	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: info on dwarf cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16796	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: info on dwarf cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16797	From: cody adams	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: info on dwarf cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16798	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Blood parrots laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16799	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16800	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16801	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16802	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16803	From: cody adams	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: info on green terrors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16804	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16805	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16806	From: Rei - Raymond Tremor	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16807	From: Amalthea X	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16808	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16809	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16810	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16811	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16812	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16813	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Egg setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16814	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16815	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Egg setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16816	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Egg setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16817	From: Amalthea X	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16818	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16819	From: paul	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16820	From: leonard stewart	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16821	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16822	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16823	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16824	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: Blood parrots laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16825	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16826	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16827	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16828	From: cody adams	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: a question about drift wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16829	From: Daniel	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16830	From: leonard stewart	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16831	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16832	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16833	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16834	From: harry perry	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom/Other options./Steve.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16835	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re harry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16836	From: Karen	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: HELP--brown problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16837	From: james bruce moat	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: krazyzeke
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16838	From: Ash	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1174
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16839	From: Ash	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1174
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16840	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Walking cats( Clarias batrachus ) are mateing.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16841	From: Andreas	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Walking cats( Clarias batrachus ) are mateing.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16842	From: cody adams	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: info on blue jack dempseys
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16843	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: info on blue jack dempseys
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16844	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16845	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16846	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: info on blue jack dempseys
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16847	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16848	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16849	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16850	From: Thomas W.	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16851	From: ryfraph13	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16852	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Odd Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16853	From: dragonman_999	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Gill Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16854	From: 42	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Odd Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16855	From: cody adams	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16856	From: 42	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16857	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: dojos and goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16858	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16859	From: cody adams	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16860	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Traira: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16861	From: 42	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16862	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16863	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16864	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16865	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16866	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16867	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16868	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Utricularia as a fry hiding place
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16869	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: Utricularia as a fry hiding place
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16870	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Help w/ Uv Sterilizer decision
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16871	From: Charity Thornhill	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: New here.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16872	From: paul	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: New here.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16873	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Utricularia as a fry hiding place
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16874	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Help w/ Uv Sterilizer decision
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16875	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: New here.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16876	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: New here.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16877	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: New here.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16878	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Black Hair Algie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16879	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Adding some driftwood...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16880	From: kb1dva	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16881	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16882	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16883	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16884	From: Patrick	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16885	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16886	From: deborahgd14	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16887	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16888	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16889	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16890	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16891	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16892	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16893	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16894	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16895	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16896	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16897	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16898	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Help -
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16899	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16900	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16901	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16902	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Black Hair Algie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16903	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16904	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16905	From: chris topher	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16906	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16907	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16908	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16909	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16910	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16911	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16912	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16913	From: Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Bicher
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16914	From: magdalena jones	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16915	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16916	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16917	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16918	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16919	From: Elisabeth Agnello	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: does anyone have koi fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16920	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16921	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16922	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16923	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16924	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16925	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16926	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16927	From: anne carrera	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16928	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: question about flea bombs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16929	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16930	From: paul	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16931	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: question about flea bombs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16932	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16933	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16934	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16935	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16936	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16937	From: Trevor	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16938	From: Trevor	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16939	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16940	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16941	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16942	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16943	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16944	From: magdalena jones	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16945	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16946	From: wendie	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16947	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16948	From: wendie	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16949	From: muskie4817	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Betta question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16950	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16951	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16952	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16953	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry hiding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16954	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16955	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16956	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Artificial selection in Aquarium Habitats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16957	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Wanted: killifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16958	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Wanted: killifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16959	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Artificial selection in Aquarium Habitats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16960	From: blackbimmer1972	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Stocking Ideas for 44 Gal Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16961	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: Stocking Ideas for 44 Gal Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16962	From: steve	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: microbubbles in tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16963	From: dragon6435@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: St. Louis members-Fish for sale
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16964	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Eggs are covered in fungus!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16965	From: hank voss	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Eggs are covered in fungus!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16966	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Eggs are covered in fungus!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16967	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16968	From: Chris	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16969	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16970	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16971	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16972	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16973	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16974	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16975	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16976	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16977	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16978	From: K	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16979	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: 50 gal bow front value question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16980	From: humbottom	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: fish...of course
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16981	From: cciglan	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16982	From: cciglan	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Further to: Fire bellied toads and golfish question...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16983	From: steve	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: 50 gal bow front value question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16984	From: angaturama07	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: 50 gal bow front value question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16985	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: fish...of course
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16986	From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to AquaticLife
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16987	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: right dimension tank for cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16988	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: right dimension tank for cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16989	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: employment in the aquatic world
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16990	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16991	From: hank voss	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16992	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16993	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16994	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: 3 in 1 Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16995	From: cody adams	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16996	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16997	From: KttmfC	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Angelfish question...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16998	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16999	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17000	From: 42	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17001	From: 42	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17002	From: Evita	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17003	From: bigter4	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17004	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Odd swimming betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17005	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Rocks & pH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17006	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17007	From: steve	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: my red line shark or rose line shark or puntius denisonii
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17008	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17009	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17010	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17011	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: How long does Angelfishes live for?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17012	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: How long does Angelfishes live for?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17013	From: jim	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: 3 in 1 Lighting question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17014	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17015	From: KttmfC	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: fish seeking home
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17016	From: blackbimmer1972	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: African Dwarf Frog
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17017	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: what's wrong with my severum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17018	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with my severum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17019	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Fast cycle question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17020	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with my severum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17021	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Magdalena: FW: Gerard...a disease for you to check out
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17022	From: Bev	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17023	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17024	From: supamii	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17025	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17026	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17027	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: pictus catfish vs. cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17028	From: hank voss	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: pictus catfish vs. cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17029	From: Andrew	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: How long does Angelfishes live for?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17030	From: G�rard Gagnon	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17031	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: new member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17032	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17033	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17034	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17035	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17036	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17037	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17038	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17039	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17040	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Tetra Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17041	From: hank voss	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17042	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17043	From: hank voss	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17044	From: thedakotawinds	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Grass=Najas Guadlapensis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17045	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Canister filter help needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17046	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Canister filter help needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17047	From: Ash	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1203
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17048	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1203
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17049	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Protein skimmer advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17050	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17051	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17052	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17053	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17054	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17055	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17056	From: hank voss	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17057	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17058	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17059	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17060	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17061	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17062	From: hank voss	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17063	From: Ash	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Courting Oscars?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17064	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: my new 150 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17065	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: my new 150 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17066	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Courting Oscars?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17067	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: my new 150 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17068	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17069	From: hank voss	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17070	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17071	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Plant Care and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17072	From: red-eye	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17073	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17074	From: red-eye	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17075	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17076	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17077	From: chris topher	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17078	From: jim	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17079	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17080	From: EshMedicMom163@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Intro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17081	From: web_geni_88	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17082	From: ebayario	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Choosing the light.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17083	From: Jessica	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: HELP - planaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17084	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17085	From: Dmitry Gorelov	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17086	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17087	From: hank voss	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17088	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: New tank & pictus cat question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17089	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: New tank & pictus cat question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17090	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: New tank & pictus cat question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17091	From: Evita	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17092	From: snerticus	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Algae problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17093	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17094	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17095	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17096	From: edel	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: RIYUKEN FISH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17097	From: Evita	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17098	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17099	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17100	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17101	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17102	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17103	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17104	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: HELP - planaria
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17105	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17106	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Is there any way?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17108	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17109	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17110	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17112	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17113	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17114	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17115	From: Evita	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17116	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17117	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17118	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17119	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17120	From: Cory	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: New to your group - betta/white ring?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17121	From: obrendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: How hot can the tank get ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17122	From: rhayneslcsw	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: New Member with a white worm Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17123	From: Evita	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17124	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Bigger Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17125	From: rjtroon	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Clown Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17126	From: rjtroon	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Red Line Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17127	From: steve	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17128	From: steve	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17129	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17130	From: wendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17131	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17132	From: wendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bigger Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17133	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Old starting anew
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17134	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17135	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17136	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17137	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17138	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: How hot can the tank get ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17139	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17140	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17141	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Old starting anew
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17142	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17143	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17144	From: snerticus	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17145	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17146	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17147	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17148	From: hank voss	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17149	From: Evita	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17150	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17151	From: Sandra	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: new fish group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17152	From: Sandra	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: new list your groups group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17153	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17154	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17155	From: hank voss	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17156	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17157	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17158	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17159	From: supamii	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17160	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17161	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17162	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17163	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17164	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17165	From: supamii	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17166	From: lilmicnbac	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Lobster Art- speaks to me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17167	From: Judy R	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17168	From: sean bond madrazo	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: hello all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17169	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17170	From: Ash	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1215
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17171	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: A light for live plants or too much?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17172	From: red-eye	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: A light for live plants or too much?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17173	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: A light for live plants or too much?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17174	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1215
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17175	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17176	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Black algae? Fungus?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17177	From: sharporigional	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17178	From: nebula331@yahoo.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Fish may avoid "sexual harassment," researchers say
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17179	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17180	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17181	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Tired of digging cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17182	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tired of digging cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17183	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: what's wrong with their eyes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17184	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17185	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17186	From: Ann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17187	From: cody adams	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17188	From: tommy thompson	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17189	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17190	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Changed everything in my tank, the white worms are back
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17191	From: thesydmonster	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: What to add?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17192	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17193	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: WalMart Puffer?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17194	From: thesydmonster	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17195	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17196	From: bali-center	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: The Bigest Life Tropical Marine FIsh Company
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17197	From: micheal03us	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17198	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17199	From: daniel_roachus	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17200	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17201	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17202	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17203	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Silk plants in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17204	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: OT: Worm Affecting Yahoo Users
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17205	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Silk plants in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17206	From: Wee Border Collie	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: new to the list
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17207	From: chris topher	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17208	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17209	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17211	From: chris topher	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17212	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17213	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17214	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank/ Shims
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17215	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17216	From: threekidzcrazy2004	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Homemade filter for pond fish.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17217	From: mitzizot	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17218	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Hi,
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17219	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Help Ick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17221	From: Jerry Young	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hi,
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17222	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17223	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17224	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17225	From: Terry	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re automatic feeders
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17226	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17227	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17228	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17229	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17230	From: Evita	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17231	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17232	From: chris topher	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17233	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17234	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17235	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17236	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17237	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17238	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17239	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17240	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17241	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17242	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17243	From: mitzizot	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17244	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Xpost-- UGF question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17245	From: eastbroadtop2000	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Fish illness.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17246	From: Len	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17247	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17248	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17249	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: angel fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17250	From: Ash	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1221
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17251	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17252	From: leonard stewart	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17253	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Xpost-- UGF question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17254	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17255	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17256	From: hank voss	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17257	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17258	From: Dawn	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Hi My Name Is Dawn
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17259	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17260	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17261	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1221
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17262	From: yan_ederson13	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Buon giorno
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17263	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17264	From: harry perry	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Buon giorno/yan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17265	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: new Yahoo! Groups email (was - Re: Unlevel tank)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17266	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17267	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: Newly arrived angel is sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17268	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17269	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: locked mouth?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17270	From: james bruce moat	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: locked mouth?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17271	From: kepat2000	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: snails in tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17272	From: harry perry	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17273	From: shefy7	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: new salt tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17274	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17275	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17276	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17277	From: snerticus	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17278	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Vacation prep/backup air pumps
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17279	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Vacation prep/backup air pumps
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17280	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: HELP! Angel is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17281	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17282	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17283	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: my fish are dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17284	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17285	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17286	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17287	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17288	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Will Clout kill my bacteria?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17289	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17290	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: my upside down catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17291	From: Leslie Hennis	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17292	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17293	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17294	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Now it's my pictus cat!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17295	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17296	From: Dawn	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Good Morning All
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17297	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Parasite meds, which to use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17298	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite meds, which to use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17299	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite meds, which to use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17300	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Furan-2 vs Bacterial Colony
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17301	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Good Morning All
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17302	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Furan-2 vs Bacterial Colony
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17303	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite meds, which to use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17304	From: supamii	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Stem-plants / Stargrass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17305	From: feather2night867	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Question re: Paradise fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17306	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Tank Mate for Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17307	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tank Mate for Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17308	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: my upside down catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17309	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Furan-2 vs Bacterial Colony
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17310	From: shefy7	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: tanks almost ready :) blue spotted ray...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17311	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tank Mate for Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17312	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Mixing meds?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17313	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tank Mate for Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17314	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Mixing meds?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17315	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Furan-2 vs Bacterial Colony
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17316	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Stem-plants / Stargrass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17317	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Mixing meds?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17318	From: shefy gupta	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Stem-plants / Stargrass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17319	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Fin Rot
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17320	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tank Mate for Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17321	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: tanks almost ready :) blue spotted ray...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17322	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fin Rot
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17323	From: shefy gupta	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: tanks almost ready :) blue spotted ray...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17324	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Stem-plants / Stargrass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17325	From: Dawn	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Hi Karen!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17326	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Maracyn-Two...Immediate help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17327	From: harry perry	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: Maracyn-Two...Immediate help/Karen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17328	From: Lisa Humphreys	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Help! Weird Chemical Reaction in my tank. I need insight
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17329	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hi Karen!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17330	From: momofholly2002	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Fin Rot ? HELP please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17331	From: Amalthea X	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fin Rot ? HELP please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17332	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fin Rot ? HELP please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17333	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fin Rot ? HELP please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17334	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fin Rot ? HELP please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17335	From: big_george_lake	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: "billroute"?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17336	From: clocknut44@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: newbe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17337	From: Ed	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17338	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: "billroute"?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17339	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: "billroute"?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17340	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17341	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17342	From: Brian	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: New (two months into this) Aquarium Issues
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17343	From: Ed	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17344	From: Ed	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: New (two months into this) Aquarium Issues
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17345	From: Ed	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17346	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: New Here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17347	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17348	From: Ed	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Steve and my ammonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17349	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Steve and my ammonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17350	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17351	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: "billroute"?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17352	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: New (two months into this) Aquarium Issues
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17354	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: 55 Gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17355	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: New (two months into this) Aquarium Issues
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17356	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Steve and my ammonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17357	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: New Here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17358	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17359	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: 55 Gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17360	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: New (two months into this) Aquarium Issues
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17361	From: EARLdaPEARL	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Worm like swinmmers in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17362	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17363	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: Worm like swinmmers in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17364	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: Steve and my ammonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17365	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17366	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17367	From: dragonman_999	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Pop Eye?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17368	From: Paul	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Community or Semi-Aggressive Fish Tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17369	From: mitzizot	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: Pop Eye?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17370	From: Steve Page	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: New Here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17371	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: Community or Semi-Aggressive Fish Tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17372	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: New Here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17373	From: Ed	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17374	From: ROBERT ZANUSSI	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17375	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: Also
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17376	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17377	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17378	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Pop Eye?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17379	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: New Here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17380	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17381	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17382	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17383	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17384	From: mitzizot	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: new member and question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17385	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17386	From: Judy R	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17387	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: Transport
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17388	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: African Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17389	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: 90 gallon cleanout.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17390	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: 90 gallon cleanout.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17391	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: African Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17392	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: African Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17393	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: African Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17394	From: Ed	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17395	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17396	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17397	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17398	From: Ed	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17399	From: Ed	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17400	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17401	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Adding air bubbles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17402	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17403	From: micheal03us	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: white clouds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17404	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Adding air bubbles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17405	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Adding air bubbles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17406	From: Jannine	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17407	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: white clouds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17408	From: Karen Millett	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: white clouds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17409	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17410	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17411	From: Neener	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17412	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: white clouds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17413	From: Ivan White (Prairie Spirit)	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Hornwort Floating Grass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17414	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: New baby clown loach-how long float it?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17415	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: New baby clown loach-how long float it?/Correct temp?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17416	From: saeid4040	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Call for Papers: Special Issue of IJEES on "Stream Ecology and Low
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17417	From: Cory Walter	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17418	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17419	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17420	From: Ed	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17421	From: Cory Walter	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17422	From: Cory Walter	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17423	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Live plants and ammonia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17424	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17425	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17426	From: Cory Walter	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Betta breeding.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17427	From: Aaron	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Breeding Ghost Shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17428	From: DJ Matera	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: gourami help/puffer help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17429	From: yan_ederson13	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: gourami help/puffer help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17430	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: gourami help/puffer help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17431	From: rhayneslcsw	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: gourami help/puffer help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17432	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: gourami help/puffer help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17433	From: blackbimmer1972	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Disease Prevention
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17434	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: shipping snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17435	From: dylanwinter2001	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: rookie question on shrimps
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17436	From: Rebecca	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17437	From: Aaron	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17438	From: Aaron	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17439	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Oscars(Vertical swimming)HELP!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17440	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Oscars(Vertical swimming)HELP!!!!!(Read cause)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17441	From: Evita	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17442	From: Evita	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17443	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: Oscars(Vertical swimming)HELP!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17444	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Hi all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17445	From: momofholly2002	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Question about when to add fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17446	From: supamii	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: cooling fan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17447	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Question about when to add fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17448	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Equalibrium(verticle swimming)Swim Bladder disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17449	From: Pat Jellison	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: African Clawed Frogs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17450	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: adding salt to freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17451	From: harry perry	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: A question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17452	From: harry perry	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: adding salt to freshwater/Karen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: cooling fan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17454	From: tourmaline54	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17455	From: Evita	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17456	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17457	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Tank pH & meds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17458	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: cooling fan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17459	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17460	From: Evita	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17461	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17462	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: Tank pH & meds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17463	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17464	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Fish Disease and Cure [WAS RE: [AquaticLife] gourami help/puffer he
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17465	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Tap water purifier
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17466	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Disease and Cure [WAS RE: [AquaticLife] gourami help/puffe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17467	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water purifier
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17468	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: WAS RE: [AquaticLife] gourami help/puffer help]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17469	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Disease and Cure [WAS RE: [AquaticLife] gourami help/puffe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17470	From: Evita	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17471	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17472	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Dont' know what's wrong w/lethargic clown loach laying on side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17473	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: adding salt to freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17474	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Dont' know what's wrong w/lethargic clown loach laying on side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17475	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Hi all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17476	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17477	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17478	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17479	From: Leslie Hennis	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17480	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17481	From: shefy7	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Anyone want to buy 2 baby marble catsharks? bay area,CA?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17482	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17483	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Lethargic CL on side-assume ich?/QT both?Type salt?Which med?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17484	From: kb1dva	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17485	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish at 7.2 pH? Spare peat moss?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17486	From: DJ Matera	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: baby fish food for sale!!! cheap!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17487	From: Aaron	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: 55 gallon stand needed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17488	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Dont' know what's wrong w/lethargic clown loach laying on side
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17489	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Dont' know what's wrong w/lethargic clown loach laying on s...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17490	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Lethargic CL on side-assume ich?/QT both?Type salt?Which med?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17491	From: Jenn Phillips	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Question about when to add fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17492	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: Lethargic CL on side-assume ich?/QT both?Type salt?Which med?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17493	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: cooling fan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17494	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: cooling fan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17495	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: Question about when to add fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17496	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Lethargic CL on side-assume ich?/QT both?Type salt?Which med?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17497	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: How much salt to add to 10 gal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17498	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: How much salt to add to 10 gal?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17499	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: Lethargic CL on side-assume ich?/QT both?Type salt?Which med?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17500	From: DJ Matera	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: baby fish food for sale!!! cheap!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17501	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Lethargic CL on side,etc/Salt/If not ich, what?/Plastic "tank"ok?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17502	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Changing tank dynamics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17503	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Giant Danios w/ dropsy?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17504	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17505	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: Giant Danios w/ dropsy?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17506	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17507	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17508	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17509	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17510	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17511	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: Lethargic CL on side,etc/Salt/If not ich, what?/Plastic "tank"o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17512	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Re: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17513	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Lethargic CL on side,etc/Salt/If not ich, what?/Plastic "tank"ok?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17514	From: Mark	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: DVAGA Meeting and Anubias Design Open House
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17515	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Re: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17516	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Re: Giant Danios w/ dropsy?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17517	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lethargic CL on side,etc/Salt/If not ich, what?/Plastic "tank"o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17518	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Lethargic CL on side,etc/Correction
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17519	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: 2 questions: feeding frogs to fish & cleaning water stains
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17520	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17521	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: 2 questions: feeding frogs to fish & cleaning water stains
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17522	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Adding Guppies to a 55 gallon tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17523	From: Nicolas J. Munro	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Problems with fish 'skin' falling off.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17524	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Problems with fish 'skin' falling off.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17525	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17526	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adding Guppies to a 55 gallon tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17527	From: Nicolas J. Munro	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Problems with fish 'skin' falling off.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17528	From: Nicolas J. Munro	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adding Guppies to a 55 gallon tank?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17529	From: Holly Nelson	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: looking for loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17530	From: beachcuriosity	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: just getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17531	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: just getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17532	From: harry perry	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: just getting started/ Start here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17533	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: OT: Check it Out for The Free
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17534	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: 2 questions: feeding frogs to fish & cleaning water stains
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17535	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: sexing Angelifish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17536	From: Karen Millett	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: looking for loaches
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17537	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17538	From: Leslie Hennis	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17539	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Elephant nose & whiptail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17540	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose & whiptail catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17541	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Candied Parrots
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17542	From: Rei - Raymond Tremor	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17543	From: wantvws	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Protein skimmer question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17544	From: steve	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: just got my first angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17545	From: akdsl1	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17546	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better & better!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17547	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17548	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17549	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17550	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose & farlowella.. :(
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17551	From: yan_ederson13	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17552	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17553	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose & farlowella.. :(
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17554	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17555	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17556	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17557	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17558	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17559	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17560	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17561	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17562	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17563	From: snerticus	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17564	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Will Clowns eat mealworms and peas?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17565	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17566	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17567	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: salt in freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17568	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17569	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: In tank water quality monitors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17570	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17571	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17572	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17573	From: harry perry	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question/Hydra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17574	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17575	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17576	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: just getting started
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17577	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17578	From: Yannis Kouzounias	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17579	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17580	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17581	From: Evita	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17582	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: What plant is this ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17583	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: What plant is this ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17584	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17585	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17586	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17587	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17588	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17589	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: What plant is this ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17590	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17591	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?/Sinker??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17592	From: Evita	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?/Sinker??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17593	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: In tank water quality monitors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17594	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: In tank water quality monitors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17595	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17596	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17597	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: i want my fish thrive back afain
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17598	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: In tank water quality monitors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17599	From: Evita	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17600	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17601	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17602	From: Cory	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Baby Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17603	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17604	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Eclipse 6 gallon acryllic aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17605	From: gracefullnature	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17606	From: Chris	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17607	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Update on lethargic Clown-better/Dead pleco-why?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17608	From: Amalthea X	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17609	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17610	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: In tank water quality monitors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17611	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17612	From: Nigel Chetcuti	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: White worm dancing in my tank/ Snail Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17613	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17614	From: Evita	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17615	From: Mark	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17616	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!/Turtle in w/fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17617	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17618	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17619	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse 6 gallon acryllic aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17620	From: Evita	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!/Turtle in w/fish??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17621	From: Evita	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17622	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse 6 gallon acryllic aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17623	From: Evita	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: Snail ate the cucumber!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17624	From: taginmom@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17625	From: Aaron	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17626	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17627	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17628	From: Mark	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17629	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Turtle in w/fish?? What kind??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17630	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17631	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Molly Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17632	From: taginmom@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17633	From: Aaron	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Crossocheilus latius
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17634	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17635	From: Holly Nelson	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Turtle in w/fish?? What kind??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17636	From: Evita	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Turtle in w/fish?? What kind?? Photo of baby Patrick the slider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17637	From: Evita	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Turtle in w/fish?? What kind?? Photo, Patrick at about 1 year o
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17638	From: Evita	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Turtle in w/fish?? What kind?? Photo of baby Patrick the slider
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17639	From: Mark Denaro	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17640	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17641	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17642	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17643	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17644	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17645	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17646	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17647	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17648	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17649	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: re; ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17650	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: re; ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17651	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17652	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17653	From: Anton Montilla	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17654	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17655	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Angels w/ red fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17656	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17657	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17658	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17659	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17660	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17661	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17662	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17663	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17664	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17665	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17666	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17667	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17668	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17669	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17670	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17671	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17672	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17673	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17674	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17675	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17676	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17677	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Elephant nose diet success & zapping question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17678	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17679	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich/Farlowella
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17680	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17681	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17682	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17683	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: re ich/Farlowella
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17684	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17685	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17686	From: wendie	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17687	From: Holly Nelson	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re; books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17688	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17689	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17690	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich Immune or not ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17691	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17692	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: re Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17693	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17694	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17695	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17696	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17697	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17698	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17699	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17700	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17701	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17702	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17703	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17704	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17705	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17706	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17707	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17708	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17709	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17710	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hagen product not always safe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17711	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17712	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17713	From: gamingasia	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Poor water quality.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17714	From: taginmom@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: The Lighthouse Fish Store
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17715	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Poor water quality.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17716	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Who are you ?????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17717	From: wendie	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17718	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: re starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17719	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17720	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17721	From: wendie	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: The Lighthouse Fish Store
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17722	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Poor water quality.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17723	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: The Lighthouse Fish Store
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17724	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17725	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17726	From: Jonathan	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17727	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17728	From: Jonathan	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17729	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17730	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17731	From: Jonathan	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17732	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17733	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Giant Gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17734	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Giant Gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17735	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17736	From: Jonathan	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17737	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17738	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17739	From: micheal03us	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17740	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17741	From: taginmom@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17742	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17743	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17744	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17745	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17746	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17747	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17748	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish and quarantine tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17749	From: Karen Millett	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17750	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17751	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17752	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17753	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17754	From: Karen Millett	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17755	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: Frontosa lying on bottom
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17756	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: zebra danio
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17757	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: re' starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17758	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: re' starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17759	From: John Sychua	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17760	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17761	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17762	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17763	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17764	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17765	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17766	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17767	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17768	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: My web site
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17769	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17770	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17771	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17772	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17773	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: starter fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17774	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Quarantine Tank Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17775	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Quarantine Tank Filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17776	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17777	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17778	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17779	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17780	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17781	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17782	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17783	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17784	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17785	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17786	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17787	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17788	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17789	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Swahala,Maylasian or fake Driftwood?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17790	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17791	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17792	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17793	From: marty nyb	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17794	From: Rick Rattie	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: greetings and saluations
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17795	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17796	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17797	From: wendie	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17798	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17799	From: wendie	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17800	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17801	From: wendie	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17802	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Garlic for parasites? Giant bloated danio.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17803	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Losing my cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17804	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: books on fish diseases
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17805	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Canadian Clubs [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17806	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Canadian Clubs [WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Cost of Supplies LF
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17807	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17808	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17809	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Losing my cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17810	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17811	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17812	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Testing methods
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17813	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17814	From: Mark	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17815	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17816	From: chris topher	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17817	From: harry perry	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet/Notice the posts length.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17818	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17819	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17820	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17821	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17822	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17823	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17824	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17825	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17826	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17827	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17828	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17829	From: chris topher	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17830	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17831	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17832	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17833	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17834	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17835	From: mytiel123	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17836	From: shewolf6873	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: help with fire bellied newt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17837	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: tank temp and ph/ now Apple Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17838	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17839	From: chris topher	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17840	From: harry perry	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: An experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17841	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] An experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17842	From: chris topher	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: An experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17843	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: what to do with green algea water?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17844	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17845	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Farlowella Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17846	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Farlowella Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17847	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: what to do with green algea water?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17848	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Farlowella Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17849	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17850	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17851	From: Ken & Julie Tobiassen	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17852	From: Ken & Julie Tobiassen	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17853	From: Matt	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17854	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17855	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17856	From: Matt	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17857	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17858	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: random fishy question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17859	From: angel	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17860	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17861	From: angel	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17862	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17863	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17864	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17865	From: Robb Rouse	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Bow front and corner unit tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17866	From: Matt	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17867	From: bri_ann225	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Brand New Here With a Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17868	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bow front and corner unit tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17869	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Brand New Here With a Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17870	From: Sandra	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17871	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Brand New Here With a Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17872	From: Evita	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bow front and corner unit tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17873	From: sunshynehs	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17874	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17875	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrite spike
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17876	From: Ann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Brand New Here With a Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17877	From: Ann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Brand New Here With a Question!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17878	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Bow front and corner unit tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17879	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17880	From: Ken & Julie Tobiassen	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Toilet that features live aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17881	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: After the Fawlowella it's now the Sturisoma
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17882	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: random fishy question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17883	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: yellow water question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17884	From: meooooooow1965	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Question about aquarium size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17885	From: wendie	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question about aquarium size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17886	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question about aquarium size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17887	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question about aquarium size
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17888	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17889	From: southernbelle79_63877	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Aquatic Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17890	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquatic Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17891	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17892	From: Karen Millett	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Re: power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17893	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Re: Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17894	From: faubeth	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Thank you!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17895	From: harry perry	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Babies?/ Angels on the way.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17896	From: leedodd2006	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Garden Ponds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17897	From: Mark	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17898	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: size of aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17899	From: wendie	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: size of aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17900	From: Sandra willber	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries(ThankS)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17901	From: chris topher	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries(ThankS)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17902	From: Evita	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17903	From: Sandra willber	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17904	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: was: Thank you! ( other foods for Plecs )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17905	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Garden Ponds
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17906	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: size of aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17907	From: wendie	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17908	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries(ThankS)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17909	From: Evita	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: was: Thank you! ( other foods for Plecs )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17910	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: was: Thank you! ( other foods for Plecs )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17911	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: was: Thank you! ( other foods for Plecs )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17912	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17913	From: Cory	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17914	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: 3 Questions w/ pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17915	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: 3 Questions w/ pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17916	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Re: was: Thank you! ( other foods for Plecs )
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17917	From: Mark Denaro	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: size of aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17918	From: sunshynehs	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Babies?/ Angels on the way.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17919	From: chris topher	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Babies?/ Angels on the way.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17920	From: Leslie	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Will this light work?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17921	From: Leslie	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will this light work?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17922	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will this light work?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17923	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will this light work?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17924	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will this light work?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17925	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17926	From: Cory Walter	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17927	From: harry perry	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Peroxide????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17928	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Peroxide????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17929	From: Aaron	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Substrate ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17930	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: Substrate ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17931	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: Substrate ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17932	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: : [AquaticLife] re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17933	From: Sandra willber	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17934	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: : [AquaticLife] re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17935	From: Cory Walter	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: : [AquaticLife] re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17936	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: : [AquaticLife] re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17937	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: : [AquaticLife] re power failure
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17938	From: harry perry	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: Peroxide????/Nim
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17939	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: new here -- need help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17940	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: new here -- need help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17941	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17942	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: new here -- need help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17943	From: Aaron	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Substrate ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17944	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Substrate ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17945	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: hmmmm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17946	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: hmmmm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17947	From: sunshynehs	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17948	From: Leslie	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: White stuff: worm? poop?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17949	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Angelfish Gang Attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17950	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish Gang Attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17951	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17952	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17953	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Flicking/Flashing Platies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17954	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17955	From: deborahgd14	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Flicking/Flashing Platies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17956	From: deborahgd14	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish Gang Attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17957	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish Gang Attack
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17958	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17959	From: Leslie	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Cost of Supplies LFS vs Internet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17960	From: Aaron	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17961	From: angel	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: My oscar is crazy LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17962	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17963	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Re: My oscar is crazy LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17964	From: snerticus	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17965	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: My oscar is crazy LOL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17966	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: Gold goumaries:Tank dynamics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17967	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17968	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17969	From: Annie	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Nitrites HELP!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17970	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17971	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrites HELP!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17972	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17973	From: Aaron	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17974	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17975	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17976	From: Aaron	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17977	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17978	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17979	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17980	From: chris topher	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17981	From: Aaron	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: lfs and Aqurium Societys (was - Re: What kind of Crawdad is this?)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17982	From: Aaron	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17983	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17984	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17985	From: chris topher	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17986	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17987	From: habskahuna	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Erythromycin and Clown loaches/catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17988	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17989	From: chris topher	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17990	From: chris topher	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: Erythromycin and Clown loaches/catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17991	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: live plants in tank -- questions about substrate
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17992	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: TR: [AquaticLife] Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17993	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17994	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: TR: [AquaticLife] Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17995	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: any crustacean owners here?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17996	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: TR: [AquaticLife] Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17997	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17998	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17999	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: Erythromycin and Clown loaches/catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18000	From: chris topher	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: Erythromycin and Clown loaches/catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18002	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: hole in head disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18003	From: eskielists@reskie.com	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: Erythromycin and Clown loaches/catfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18004	From: eskielists@reskie.com	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Arg! Why do have aquariums!?!? :-/
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18005	From: Aaron	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: any crustacean owners here?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18006	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Re: any crustacean owners here?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18007	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [AquaticLife] Re: any crustacean owners here?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18008	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: angelicus loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18009	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: angelicus loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18010	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18011	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18012	From: Darlene Charlson	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18013	From: Johnmackle	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Help with identifying a creature.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18014	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: Help with identifying a creature.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18015	From: Joseph	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: for the person with the pic identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18016	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: Help with identifying a creature.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18017	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: angelicus loach
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18018	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18019	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18020	From: Johnmackle	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: for the person with the pic identification
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18021	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mbuna Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18022	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mbuna Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18023	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18024	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18025	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mbuna Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18026	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18027	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18028	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mbuna Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18029	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mbuna Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18030	From: chris topher	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18031	From: stevenshapson	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18032	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18033	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18034	From: Billie	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18035	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18036	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Clown knife fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18037	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18038	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18039	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18040	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18041	From: Billie	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18042	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18043	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18044	From: big_george_lake	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18045	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18046	From: chris topher	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18047	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18048	From: Mark	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?/Pond Deicers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18049	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?/Pond Deicers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18050	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18051	From: aclaar877	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Tetras Spawn; No Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18052	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18053	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Were is the fish variety ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18054	From: hank voss	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Spawn; No Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18055	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18056	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18057	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Spawn; No Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18058	From: aclaar877	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Spawn; No Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18059	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Question for those who maintain other aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18060	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Anyone from Arkansas?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18061	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Question for those who maintain other aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18062	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Spawn; No Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18063	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Foggers. Which one to obtain?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18064	From: big_george_lake	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18065	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Re: Where buy Palythoa caribaeorum?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18066	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18067	From: rick linboom	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18068	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning an old 40 gal tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18069	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18070	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18071	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18072	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18073	From: aclaar877	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: what to do with green algea water?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18074	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18075	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18076	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18077	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18078	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18079	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18080	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18081	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18082	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18083	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Low mortality rate,Black Mollies.//carnivorous Plecostamus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18084	From: Mark	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18085	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18086	From: hank voss	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18087	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18088	From: hank voss	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18089	From: aaroberts_06278	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: My recent trip...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18090	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18091	From: M A C	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: gambusia tadpole question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18092	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18093	From: hank voss	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18094	From: chris topher	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: gambusia tadpole question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18095	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18096	From: M A C	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: gambusia tadpole question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18097	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18098	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: My recent trip...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18099	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18100	From: chris topher	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: gambusia tadpole question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18101	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Help with Clown Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18102	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18103	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18104	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18105	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18106	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18107	From: Margo	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Sturgeon and new member!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18108	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18109	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Update: Crack in the glass & driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18110	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18111	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18112	From: recklessdisregard	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18113	From: harry perry	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae/reckless
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18114	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: bettas question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18115	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18116	From: rick linboom	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18117	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18118	From: Cory Walter	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: bettas question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18119	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18120	From: Hope	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18121	From: Leslie	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18122	From: littlenloud	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: update on oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18123	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18124	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18125	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: bettas question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18126	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18127	From: Mark	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18128	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18129	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18130	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18131	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18132	From: chris topher	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18133	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: RE what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18134	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: RE what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18135	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: RE what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18136	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Problem to know the concentration of malachite in the products avai
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18137	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18138	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: RE what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18139	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18140	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18141	From: sskmajd	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: turning off filter overnight?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18142	From: hank voss	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Problem to know the concentration of malachite in the products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18143	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: turning off filter overnight?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18144	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Problem to know the concentration of malachite in the products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18145	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18146	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Problem to know the concentration of malachite in the products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18147	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18148	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: turning off filter overnight?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18149	From: wendie	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: turning off filter overnight?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18150	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18151	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18152	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18153	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18154	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18155	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18156	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18157	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18158	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18159	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: UGF was questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18160	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: UGF was questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18161	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: UGF was questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18162	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18163	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18164	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18165	From: Evita	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: turning off filter overnight?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18166	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18167	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18168	From: aaroberts_06278	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: More aquarium fun from Monterey
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18169	From: Hope	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18170	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18171	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18172	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18173	From: dragonman_999	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18174	From: sfcrabman	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Common carp
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18175	From: Ann	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18176	From: michelle276597	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Neon Tetras with "white blob" on mouth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18177	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18178	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18179	From: sriram21	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Treatment for Electric Blue Jack Depmsey (EBJD)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18180	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Problem with a Pacu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18181	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18182	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: Treatment for Electric Blue Jack Depmsey (EBJD)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18183	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18184	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18185	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18186	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18187	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18188	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18189	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18190	From: chris topher	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18191	From: harry perry	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!/Rebecca
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18192	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18193	From: Annie	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: AQUARIUM ACCESSORIES!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18194	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18195	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18196	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18197	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: bettas question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18198	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18199	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18200	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18201	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18202	From: raliegh11	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Digi Mate 3 in 1 Temperature/ Specific Gravity / Salinity Meter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18203	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18204	From: Judy R	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with a Pacu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18205	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with a Pacu
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18206	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18207	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: stretched out male molly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18208	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18209	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18210	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: bettas question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18211	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a Pacu)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18212	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: stretched out male molly
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18213	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: What to do with this fish eater ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18214	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do with this fish eater ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18215	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Questions..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18216	From: harry perry	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do with this fish eater ?/Gerard
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18217	From: emtfirefly	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Giant Gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18218	From: emtfirefly	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: In Search of Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18219	From: wendie	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do with this fish eater ?/Gerard
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18220	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18221	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18222	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: What to do with this fish eater ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18223	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: What to do with this fish eater ?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18224	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18225	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18226	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Neon Tetras with "white blob" on mouth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18227	From: snerticus	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18228	From: snerticus	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18229	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18230	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18231	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18232	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18233	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18234	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18235	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18236	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18237	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18238	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18239	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18240	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18241	From: angel	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18242	From: Gerard gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18243	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18244	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18245	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Snails..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18246	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18247	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Snails..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18248	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18249	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18250	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18251	From: aquamaze@abe.midco.net	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater clams
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18252	From: momofholly2002	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Koi Herpes Virus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18253	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18254	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18255	From: snerticus	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18256	From: snerticus	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18257	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18258	From: Judy R	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: In Search of Giant Gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18259	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18260	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18261	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18262	From: Gal Hever	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: New to group...new business
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18263	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18264	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18265	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18266	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18267	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Putting new items in a tank..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18268	From: snerticus	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18269	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18270	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18271	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with a Pacu, solve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18272	From: edel	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: GOLDFISH AND SMELL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18273	From: edel	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: goldfish smell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18274	From: snerticus	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: goldfish smell
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18275	From: snerticus	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: you think clown loach eat snail ? (was Re: Problem with a Pacu)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18276	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: GOLDFISH AND SMELL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18277	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Books Available
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18278	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18279	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Severe Ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18280	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Books Available
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18281	From: Gal Hever	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: New to group...new business
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18283	From: edel gonzalez	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: GOLDFISH AND SMELL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18284	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18285	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Crack in tank & driftwood question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18286	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Eclipse systems!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18288	From: Darlene Charlson	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse systems!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18289	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: GOLDFISH AND SMELL
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18290	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse systems!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18291	From: AquaticLife	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: AquaticLife is Now on MySpace!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18292	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18293	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18294	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18295	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18296	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: what should I use?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18298	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with a Pacu, solve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18299	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18300	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18301	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18302	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18303	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18304	From: incantashia	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Using Snails to Combat Algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18305	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18306	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18307	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18309	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18310	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18311	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18312	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18313	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18314	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Treatment for Electric Blue Jack Depmsey (EBJD)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18315	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18316	From: Betty Lou	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18317	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18318	From: harry perry	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.Betty Lou
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18319	From: Ann	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18320	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Algae Eater WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18321	From: Annie	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Babies live with no filter?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18322	From: harry perry	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Icky, Yucky, Eel-like thing in my tank!/Strange things in my ta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18323	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18324	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18325	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18326	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: backgrounds on tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18327	From: Betty Lou	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18328	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Babies live with no filter?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18329	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18330	From: Will Griffin	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web Sites
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18331	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18332	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18333	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Pleco questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18334	From: Betty Lou	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18335	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18336	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18337	From: wendie	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18338	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18339	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18340	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18341	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18342	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18343	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18344	From: Betty Lou	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18345	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18346	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18347	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: OT: FW: - ASIH LIST SERVER - CHYTRID FOUND IN LAB ANIMALS
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18348	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18349	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Test Links on Updates and New Fish/Aquarium Web
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18350	From: Betty Lou	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18352	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18353	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18354	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18355	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18356	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18357	From: Aaron	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: FREE 100 gallon SW tank complete with fish (Burlingame, CA)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18358	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Books
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18359	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18360	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18361	From: Paul Sternitzke	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: FREE 100 gallon SW tank complete with fish (Burlingame, CA)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18362	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18363	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18364	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18365	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18366	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18367	From: angel_kittys_mom	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Hi! Newbie Intro and Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18368	From: l.nave@comcast.net	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18369	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18370	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Hi! Newbie Intro and Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18371	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18372	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18373	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18374	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18375	From: Aaron	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: FREE 100 gallon SW tank complete with fish (Burlingame, CA)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18376	From: Darlene Charlson	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18377	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18378	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18379	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here! Intro and question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18380	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18381	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18382	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18383	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18384	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18385	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18386	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18387	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18388	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18389	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Vinyl tubing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18390	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Bully Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18391	From: banjo0421	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Native Fish, Fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18392	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Red Tree Sponge..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18393	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: Bully Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18394	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Aquariophily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18395	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: I have a question but pls do not anwser (was RE: [AquaticLife] New
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18396	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I have a question but pls do not anwser (was RE: [AquaticLife]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18397	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: Aquariophily
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18398	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I have a question but pls do not anwser (was RE: [AquaticLife]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18399	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I have a question but pls do not anwser (was RE: [AquaticLife]
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18400	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18401	From: Gérard Gagnon	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: New tank, WHAT fish are these?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18402	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18403	From: harry perry	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18404	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18405	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18406	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Bully Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18407	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18408	From: Judy R	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18409	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18410	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18411	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18412	From: cgvs	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Golden Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18413	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18414	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Golden Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18415	From: Jerry Young	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?And Other Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18416	From: cgvs	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Golden Snails
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18417	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?And Other Problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18418	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18419	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Anti-Bacteria medicated fish food mystery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18420	From: cgvs	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: gudgeons
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18421	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Anti-Bacteria medicated fish food mystery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18422	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18423	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18424	From: Shiru	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18425	From: rick linboom	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: I Know this is a stupid question butt.......
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18426	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18427	From: mytiel123	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18428	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Anti-Bacteria medicated fish food mystery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18429	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18430	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18431	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Anti-Bacteria medicated fish food mystery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18432	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18433	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18434	From: Jennifer	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18435	From: Rebecca	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Anti-Bacteria medicated fish food mystery
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18436	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18437	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Losing cory cats. Bacterial? Treatment?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18438	From: yan_ederson13	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: refreshing water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18439	From: Keri	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Help Puffer Fish (Figure eight)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18440	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help Puffer Fish (Figure eight)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18441	From: Aaron	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: [SVAS] Silicon Valley Aquarium Society Meeting This Saturday, Sept.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18442	From: mytiel123	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18443	From: AquaticLife	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: San Francisco Aquarium Society (SFAS) Annual Fish Auction 8 PM Toni
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18444	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18445	From: mytiel123	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: tank testing
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18446	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Common Names Book
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18447	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18448	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: L Numbers and Other Codes (Long Post)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18449	From: aaroberts_06278	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Some More West Coast Photography
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18450	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18451	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18452	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18454	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Aquarium Society Listings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18455	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18456	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Society Listings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18457	From: Aaron	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Society Listings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18458	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18459	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18460	From: aclaar877	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18461	From: monsterdealz	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18462	From: harry perry	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question/monsterdealz?? a name would be nice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18463	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18464	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18465	From: wendie	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18466	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18467	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18468	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18469	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18470	From: wendie	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18471	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18472	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18473	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: ( GREEN NEONS ) was Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18474	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18475	From: mytiel123	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18476	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18477	From: jules27au	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Guppie Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18478	From: mytiel123	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: a question from a new member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18479	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Guppie Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18480	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Guppie Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18481	From: Bill McCusker	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18482	From: Bill McCusker	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Filter question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18483	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Guppie Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18484	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting for Neon Tetras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18485	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18486	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding Angles of Some Lake Malawi Cichlids
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18487	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18488	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18489	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18490	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18491	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Pop eye & septicemia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18492	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pop eye & septicemia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18493	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18494	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: compatibility with mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18495	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18496	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18497	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18498	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pop eye & septicemia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18499	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Pink Tip Anemone question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18500	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18501	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18502	From: chris topher	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18503	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pink Tip Anemone question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18504	From: monsterdealz	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18505	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: compatibility with mollies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18506	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Heater for Eclipse 3 & substrate question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18507	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18508	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Water change
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18509	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18510	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pink Tip Anemone question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18511	From: harry perry	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18512	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pink Tip Anemone question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18513	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18514	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pink Tip Anemone question....
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18515	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18516	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18517	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18518	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18519	From: harry perry	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18520	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18521	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18522	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18523	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18524	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18525	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Bioballs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18526	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18527	From: chris topher	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18528	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18529	From: chris topher	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18530	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18531	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Bioballs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18532	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18533	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18534	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18535	From: chris topher	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18536	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18537	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18538	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18539	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: buying plants in bulk for cheap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18540	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18541	From: chris topher	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: buying plants in bulk for cheap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18542	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18543	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18544	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: What do silver dollars eat?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18545	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Bioballs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18546	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18547	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18548	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18549	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18550	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18551	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18552	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: buying plants in bulk for cheap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18553	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18554	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18555	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: BTW
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18556	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18557	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18558	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18559	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18560	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18561	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Thank you..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18562	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18563	From: jfazio	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18564	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18565	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Julidochromis transcriptus (was ~ RE: [AquaticLife] Water change)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18566	From: harry perry	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18567	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18568	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18569	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18570	From: harry perry	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18571	From: harry perry	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18572	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: buying plants in bulk for cheap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18573	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray/Harry and whomever else
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18574	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: All/Harry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18575	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Black moor was/ Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18576	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Black moor was/ Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18577	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Black moor was/ Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18578	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18579	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18580	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: What do silver dollars eat?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18581	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18582	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Julidochromis transcriptus (was ~ RE: [AquaticLife] Water chang
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18583	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18584	From: wendie	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18585	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18586	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18587	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18588	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray/Harry and whomever else
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18589	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Black moor was/ Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18590	From: harry perry	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18591	From: Hussam Mousa	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Maintaining proper tempreture
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18592	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: What do silver dollars eat?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18593	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray/Harry and whomever else
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18594	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18595	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Black moor was/ Eclipse Lighting & Filtration System question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18596	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18597	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18598	From: snerticus	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18599	From: chris topher	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18600	From: chris topher	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18601	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Guppie Breeding
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18602	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18603	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Disgruntled fish keeper needs advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18604	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18605	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18606	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18607	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18608	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18609	From: chris topher	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18610	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18611	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18612	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18613	From: aclaar877	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Live Plants - St. Louis area
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18614	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Maintaining proper tempreture
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18615	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18616	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium cycle/Jennifer/Steve/Joe/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18617	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18618	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18619	From: Frank Still	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: New To Group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18620	From: Frank Still	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Best light to show off Tetra colors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18621	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Disgruntled fish keeper needs advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18622	From: hank voss	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Best light to show off Tetra colors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18623	From: hank voss	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Best light to show off Tetra colors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18624	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: New To Group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18625	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Best light to show off Tetra colors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18626	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Disgruntled fish keeper needs advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18627	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Disgruntled fish keeper needs advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18628	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Bacterial treatment, which one?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18629	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Disgruntled fish keeper needs advice
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18630	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18631	From: hank voss	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Best light to show off Tetra colors
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18632	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18633	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18634	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18635	From: harry perry	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18636	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Bloody stools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18637	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody stools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18638	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18639	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18640	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody stools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18641	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18642	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18643	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18644	From: deborahgd14	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18645	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18646	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody stools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18647	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18648	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18649	From: harry perry	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish/Steve and Sissy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18650	From: harry perry	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras/as usual, thank you to all.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18651	From: harry perry	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18652	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18653	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18654	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18655	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18656	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18657	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18658	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18659	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18660	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18661	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18662	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody stools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18663	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18664	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18665	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18666	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18667	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18668	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online, Sept. 9, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18669	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18670	From: harry perry	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online,/Steve
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18671	From: harry perry	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option. Ray
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18672	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18673	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online, Sept. 9, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18674	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18675	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18676	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18678	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18679	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18680	From: hank voss	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18681	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18682	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18683	From: hank voss	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18684	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18685	From: hank voss	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: hydra, another option.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18686	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18687	From: chris topher	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18688	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18689	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18690	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras: salt concentrations
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18691	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18692	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydras
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18693	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18694	From: hank voss	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18695	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18696	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18697	From: harry perry	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: bbs and hydra/some research/ to all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18698	From: habskahuna	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18699	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18700	From: hank voss	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydra/some research/ to all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18701	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydra/some research/ to all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18702	From: harry perry	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: bbs and hydra/some research/ to all/My theory
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18703	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18704	From: Andreas	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18705	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18706	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18707	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18708	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18709	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: I think my Ghost Knife Fish is dying
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18710	From: chris topher	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18711	From: chris topher	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18712	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18713	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18714	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18715	From: fishing_reich	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18716	From: chris topher	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: experation on seachem products
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18717	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18718	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18719	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish symptoms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18720	From: Judy R	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18721	From: rjtroon	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: What do silver dollars eat?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18722	From: cody adams	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18723	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18724	From: snerticus	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online, Sept. 9, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18725	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18726	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online, Sept. 9, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18727	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18728	From: Actually, people do call me snert	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Bad-News Beauties: Science News Online, Sept. 9, 2006
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18729	From: Actually, people do call me snert	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18730	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18731	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18732	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Holes in the fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18733	From: drhyperlaur	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: hi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18734	From: Cory	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18735	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish Symptoms - from Nancy T.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18736	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish Symptoms - from Nancy T.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18737	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18738	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18739	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18740	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18741	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18742	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18743	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18744	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18745	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18746	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18747	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18748	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18749	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18750	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Holes in the fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18751	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18752	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18753	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18754	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18755	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18756	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18757	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18758	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18759	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18760	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18761	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18762	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: YouTube - Bulletproof Server and Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18763	From: Judy R	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Sex Change in fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18764	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18765	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18766	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18767	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Holes in the fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18768	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: aquarium newbie guppy q
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18769	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: please someone help me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18770	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18771	From: chris topher	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18772	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Holes in the fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18773	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Holes in the fins
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18774	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18775	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18776	From: chris topher	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18777	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18778	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18779	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18780	From: chris topher	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18781	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18782	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18783	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18784	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18785	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18786	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18787	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18788	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18789	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18790	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18791	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18792	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18793	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?/Frank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18794	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18795	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish still sick
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18796	From: angel	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18797	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?/Frank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18798	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18799	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18800	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18801	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18802	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18803	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Placostamus (sp)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18804	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18805	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Trained
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18806	From: Andrew	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18807	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18808	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: What kind of fish for small aquarium?/Frank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18809	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: help with my tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18810	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18811	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18812	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18813	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18814	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18815	From: chris topher	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18816	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18817	From: snerticus	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18818	From: chris topher	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18819	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18820	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18821	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18822	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18823	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18824	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18825	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18826	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18827	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: getting rid of ich through heat with goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18828	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: taking pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18829	From: Avin Deen	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Aquarists in Penang/Malaysia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18830	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18831	From: aclaar877	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: taking pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18832	From: sunshine_141_1999	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: OSCURS AND MORGRUNDA GOBY
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18833	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: To Heat or Not to Heat
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18834	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: taking pics
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18835	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Tiger Nerite Snail (Neritina natalensis)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18836	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Betta's caudrin (sic) fin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18837	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Nerite Snail (Neritina natalensis)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18838	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Betta's caudrin (sic) fin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18839	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Nerite Snail (Neritina natalensis)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18840	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Hexamita? Ulcers?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18841	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Betta's caudrin (sic) fin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18842	From: Jaclyn	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18843	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18844	From: Jaclyn	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18845	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18846	From: Jaclyn	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18847	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18848	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Betta's caudrin (sic) fin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18849	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Betta's caudrin (sic) fin
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18850	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18851	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Betta - - Need Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18852	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: mollies and guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18853	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: mollies and guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18854	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: mollies and guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18855	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: hmmmm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18856	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: mollies and guppies
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18857	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: hmmmm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18858	From: Betty Lou	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Pregnant Guppy - When to Quarentine
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18859	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: hmmmm
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18860	From: harry perry	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: hmmmm I agree with Steve.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18861	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: mollies and guppies - updated info for your consideration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18862	From: sina_56k	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: sorry to interrup but ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18863	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18864	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18865	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18866	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18867	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Aquarium Decor
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18868	From: whjordan83	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18869	From: sina_56k	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Decor
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18870	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: New addition
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18871	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Pregnant Guppy - When to Quarentine
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18872	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18873	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Not good I think?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18874	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: mollies and guppies - updated info for your consideration
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18875	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: sorry to interrup but ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18876	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18877	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Decor
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18878	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Pregnant Guppy - When to Quarentine
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18879	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Not good I think?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18880	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Not good I think?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18881	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: sorry to interrup but ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18882	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18883	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Not good I think?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18884	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Not good I think?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18885	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Decor
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18886	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Fish hanging around the filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18887	From: Betty Lou	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Gendering a Platy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18888	From: Rich	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Gendering a Platy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18889	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fish hanging around the filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18890	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Norwalk Aquarium Society 50th Annual Show & Auction
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18891	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Second Post
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18892	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Amonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18893	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Second Post
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18894	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Amonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18895	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Gendering a Platy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18896	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Amonia
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18897	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Second Post
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18898	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Ghost knife fish recovered
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18899	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fish hanging around the filter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18900	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Ghost knife fish recovered
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18901	From: Jannine	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18902	From: Cory	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18903	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18904	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18905	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18906	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18907	From: Betty Lou	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Gendering a Platy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18908	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18909	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18910	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18911	From: chris topher	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18912	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18913	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18914	From: Cory Walter	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18915	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18916	From: sskmajd	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18917	From: sskmajd	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: New aquarium with cloudy water and brown algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18918	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18919	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18920	From: kissinmera	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Texas Cichlids Mating?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18921	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18922	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18923	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18924	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18925	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Texas Cichlids Mating?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18926	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18927	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18928	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18929	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18930	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18931	From: Rich	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Texas Cichlids Mating?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18932	From: Rich	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Texas Cichlids Mating?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18933	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18934	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Confused
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18935	From: harry perry	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Confused/Chemicals
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18936	From: chris topher	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18937	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18938	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18939	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Confused/Chemicals
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18940	From: Dawn Kaiser	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18941	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18942	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18943	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Confused
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18944	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18945	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18946	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18947	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18948	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18949	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18950	From: micheal03us	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Dropsy???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18951	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18952	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18953	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Fish age & illnesses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18954	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Tap water readings the next day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18955	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings the next day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18956	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings the next day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18957	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Dropsy???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18958	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Home page
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18959	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: guppy having problems?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18960	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Need a plan?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18961	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18962	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18963	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Home page
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18964	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18965	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18966	From: chris topher	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18967	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18968	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18969	From: chris topher	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18970	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18971	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18972	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18973	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18974	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18975	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18976	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18977	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Correction
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18978	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18979	From: chris topher	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18980	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18981	From: chris topher	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18982	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18983	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18984	From: hank voss	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18985	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18986	From: Karen Millett	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Dropsy???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18987	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18988	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Dropsy???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18989	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18990	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18991	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18992	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18993	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18994	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: New aquarium with cloudy water and brown algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18995	From: harry perry	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18996	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18997	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18998	From: harry perry	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Dropsy???/micheal03us
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 18999	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Stressed angels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19000	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: Stressed angels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19001	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19002	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings the next day
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19003	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19004	From: Karen Millett	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Dropsy???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19005	From: hank voss	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19006	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19007	From: harry perry	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer/Madness!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19008	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Fish age & illnesses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19009	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Fish age & illnesses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19010	From: harry perry	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Fish age & illnesses/The best we can do./Leslie and all.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19011	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Home page
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19012	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19013	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: GPS coordinates
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19014	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer/Madness!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19015	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19016	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: GPS coordinates
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19017	From: Nicole Muench Seidel	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: OT--Autism Walk: 1 in 166 children have Autism
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19018	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Correction
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19019	From: harry perry	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: OT--Autism Walk/Nicole/OT post./Please read.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19020	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19021	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: GPS coordinates
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19022	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: GPS coordinates
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19023	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19024	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19025	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer/Madness!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19026	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19027	From: chris topher	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19028	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Need a plan?/another tank/Jennifer/Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19029	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: GPS coordinates/Rob
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19030	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: GPS coordinates/Rob
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19031	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19032	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19033	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19034	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19035	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19036	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19037	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19038	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19039	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19040	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????/Where's Plato?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19041	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19042	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????/Where's Plato?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19043	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????/Where's Plato?/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19044	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Plecos , your opinion please.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19045	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????/Where's Plato?/again
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19046	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos , your opinion please.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19047	From: harry perry	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fishies dad????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19048	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fishies dad????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19049	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19050	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19051	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19052	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19053	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tap water readings/Black art????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19054	From: Clubsprint	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19055	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19056	From: aaroberts_06278	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Updates to the Photography Museum...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19057	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19058	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19059	From: thedakotawinds	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: South Dakota: Blue Blushing Angels and a Beautiful Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19060	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19061	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19062	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19063	From: toolfan1987	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Sand broke my filter!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19064	From: Dawn Kaiser	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19065	From: sskmajd	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New aquarium with cloudy water and brown algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19066	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19067	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19068	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19069	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19070	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19071	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19072	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Sand broke my filter!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19073	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19074	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: sick dwarf gouramis
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19075	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New aquarium with cloudy water and brown algae
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19076	From: harry perry	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Fishies dad????/Jennifer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19077	From: Clubsprint	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19078	From: Clubsprint	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19079	From: Clubsprint	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19080	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19081	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19082	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19083	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19084	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19085	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: New member Hello/Questions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19086	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19087	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Fire Mouth problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19088	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fire Mouth problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19089	From: Jannine	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Companians for danios and barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19090	From: magdalena jones	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fire Mouth problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19091	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: School tank, STARTING OVER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19092	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Completed
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19093	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19094	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19095	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19096	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: School tank, STARTING OVER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19097	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19098	From: Jennifer Kokoruda	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: School tank, STARTING OVER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19099	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19100	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: School tank, STARTING OVER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19101	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19102	From: jules27au	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Guppie Breeding Part 2
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19103	From: its a secret	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: silver dollars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19104	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: guppy having problems
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19105	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Guppie Breeding Part 2
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19106	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: My fishes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19107	From: snerticus	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19108	From: hank voss	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: My fishes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19109	From: wendie	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Moving
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19110	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19111	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19112	From: Tracie	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19113	From: Rich	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19114	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19115	From: snerticus	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: New pics on my website...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19116	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Salt dehydration question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19117	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19118	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Firemouth w/ parasite eggs?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19119	From: Jennifer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Sad
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19120	From: jasondanielrobert	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19121	From: Paul Sternitzke	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19122	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19123	From: harry perry	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium/To JP
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19124	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19125	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19126	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: My fishes
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19127	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19128	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: Sad
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19129	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19130	From: hank voss	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19131	From: Patrick	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19132	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19133	From: chris topher	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19134	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19135	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19136	From: Dmitry Gorelov	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19137	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19138	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19139	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: plan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19140	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19141	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19142	From: harry perry	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: plan/Test it./Jeannie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19143	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19144	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19145	From: habskahuna	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Angelfish fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19146	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: round bellies!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19147	From: chris topher	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19148	From: habskahuna	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Angelfish fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19149	From: jane parry	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19150	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: build your own aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19151	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: plan/Test it./Jeannie
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19152	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19153	From: eskielists@reskie.com	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19154	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: plan
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19155	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19156	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19157	From: habskahuna	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19158	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19159	From: Linda	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Odyssea CSF 4 exterior filter maintenance Ques.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19160	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19161	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19162	From: jane parry	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19163	From: Patrick	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19164	From: chris topher	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: My lonely aquarium/housing for tanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19165	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19166	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19167	From: dragonman_999	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: bump
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19168	From: jane parry	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: Problem with aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19169	From: Jennifer	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: The Big Move
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19170	From: Patrick	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19171	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19172	From: supamii	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19173	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: The Big Move
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19174	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19175	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: The Big Move
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19177	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: DUIT AKAN TERBANG MASUK KE POKET ANDA DALAM MASA 5 MINIT LAGI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19178	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: DUIT AKAN TERBANG MASUK KE POKET ANDA DALAM MASA 5 MINIT LAGI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19179	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: DUIT AKAN TERBANG MASUK KE POKET ANDA DALAM MASA 5 MINIT LAGI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19180	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: DUIT AKAN TERBANG MASUK KE POKET ANDA DALAM MASA 5 MINIT LAGI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19181	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19182	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19183	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19184	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19185	From: Patrick	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19186	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19187	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19188	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19189	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19190	From: Aaron	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Newt / Salamander?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19191	From: harry perry	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: Newt / Salamander?'s/Aaron
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19192	From: rhayneslcsw	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Bumps on Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19193	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Bumps on Oscar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19194	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19195	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19196	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19197	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19198	From: Chris	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19199	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19200	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19201	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19202	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19203	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19204	From: Al	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Comet Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19205	From: Saphire Draco	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19206	From: snerticus	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19207	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Comet Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19208	From: ftuitele	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Someone please help me with the setup of my new tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19209	From: Patrick	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: blue green algae (cyanobacteria)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19210	From: jane parry	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Someone please help me with the setup of my new tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19211	From: jane parry	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Comet Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19212	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Someone please help me with the setup of my new tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19213	From: Chris	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19214	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19215	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish-Some "?"s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19216	From: Chris	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: A blue angelfish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19217	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: Need help w/teacher abusing classrm fish-Some "?"s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19218	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: self priming pump suggestions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19219	From: valorie erickson	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: intro.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19220	From: Linda Hodgens	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: self priming pump suggestions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19221	From: J	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19222	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19223	From: deborahgd14	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Angels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19225	From: duretteg	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19226	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19227	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19228	From: AquaticLife	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19229	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19230	From: wendie	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19231	From: deborahgd14	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19232	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19233	From: Rich	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19234	From: chicagobears2010	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Sexing angels?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19235	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Hexamita
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19236	From: wendie	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19237	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Sexing angels?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19238	From: Jannine	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19239	From: wendie	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19240	From: Bill	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19241	From: wendie	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19242	From: Kevin H.	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19243	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19244	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19245	From: deborahgd14	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19246	From: jjudy1957	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19247	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19248	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Abused classrm fish-Given to me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19249	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Abused classrm fish-Given to me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19250	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Abused classrm fish-Given to me!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19251	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Goldfish safe plants (was - Re: Abused classrm fish-Given to me!)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19252	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Classrm g/fish-Normal to constantly breathe at top?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19253	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish safe plants (was - Re: Abused classrm fish-Given to me
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19254	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Classrm g/fish-Normal to constantly breathe at top?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19255	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Classrm g/fish-Normal to constantly breathe at top?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19256	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Questions on Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19257	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish safe plants (was - Re: Abused classrm fish-Given t...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19258	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Angels fins are being nipped
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19259	From: eskielists@reskie.com	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19260	From: Pat Jellison	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Classrm g/fish-Normal to constantly breathe at top? (source for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19261	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Nipping suspects picture
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19262	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Classrm g/fish-Normal to constantly breathe at top?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19263	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19264	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Angels fins are being nipped
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19265	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Classrm g/fish-freecycle
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19266	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on Bettas
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19267	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19268	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19269	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: 10 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19270	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19271	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19272	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Buying on-line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19273	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Hope Cinde is OK
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19274	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19275	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hope Cinde is OK
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19276	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hexamita
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19277	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hope Cinde is OK
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19278	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: 10 gallon tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19279	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Re: What starter fish to cycle new 55 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19280	From: Clubsprint	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Compatible fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19281	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Elephant nose eating angel fins?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19282	From: duretteg	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Buying on Line
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19283	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose eating angel fins?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19284	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Compatible fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19285	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Evil Elephant Nose
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19286	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Evil Elephant Nose
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19287	From: Andreas	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Evil Elephant Nose
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19288	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose eating angel fins?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19289	From: Leslie	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose eating angel fins?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19290	From: Clubsprint	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: Compatible fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19291	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Evil Elephant Nose
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19292	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Elephant nose eating angel fins?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19293	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Compatible fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19294	From: J	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19295	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19296	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19297	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19298	From: Rob Renfro	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: ewwwww swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19299	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19300	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19301	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19302	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19303	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19304	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Fish Cross Impassable Barrier
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19305	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19306	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19307	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19308	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19309	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19310	From: Gaines	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Middle TN Group Buy (great deals on fish)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19311	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: swallowing tank water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19312	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: BioSpira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19313	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Planted tank w/ cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19314	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: Planted tank w/ cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19315	From: wendie	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: BioSpira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19316	From: scottboyle9903	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Growing Plants with a UGF
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19317	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Growing Plants with a UGF
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19318	From: Tony Donatelli	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: petwink.com?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19319	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Planted tank w/ cichlids?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19320	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Growing Plants with a UGF
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19321	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19322	From: hank voss	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19323	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19324	From: hank voss	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19325	From: Aaron	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19326	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19327	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19328	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Growing Plants with a UGF
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19329	From: hank voss	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19331	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID & Plant gunk/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19332	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fish ID ...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19333	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Ick spots?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19334	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ick spots?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19335	From: hank voss	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ick spots?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19336	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Bosemani Rainbows at WalMart
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19337	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19338	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19339	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Cory Cats & Pictus?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19340	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19341	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19342	From: wendie	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19343	From: snerticus	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19344	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19345	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira/ammonia readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19346	From: wendie	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19347	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira/ammonia readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19348	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira/ammonia readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19349	From: reynorbm100	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: bio spira/ammonia readings
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19350	From: plantlady Angie	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Hi, I am Angie, i just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19351	From: Imus	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: 20 gal tank with wood stand and extras for sale 50.00
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19352	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hi, I am Angie, i just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19353	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hi, I am Angie, i just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19354	From: Wayne	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hi, I am Angie, i just joined
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19355	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Oniline plant source on eBay...FANTASTIC
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19356	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19357	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: added the bio spira
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19358	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19359	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19360	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19361	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19362	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19363	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: I purchased lights... now ?'s
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19364	From: reskie@cogeco.ca	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Injured cory
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19365	From: michelle_brown134	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Hi All and Welcome Angie!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19366	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19367	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19368	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Injured cory
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19369	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Rainbow fish is flashing colors ?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19370	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19371	From: AquaticLife	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish is flashing colors ?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19372	From: hank voss	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish is flashing colors ?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19373	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19374	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish is flashing colors ?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19375	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish is flashing colors ?!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19376	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19377	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19378	From: Kenneth Ongsansoy	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Hi guys!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19379	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: plants/fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19380	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19381	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19382	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Mini Aquarium, USB Or Batteries
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19383	From: momofholly2002	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19384	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19385	From: momofholly2002	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19386	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19387	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19388	From: momofholly2002	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19389	From: AquaticLife	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Important Message About Bouncing Memberships - THIS COULD BE YOU!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19390	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19391	From: David	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Designer Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19392	From: Aaron	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Designer Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19393	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19394	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Important Message About Bouncing Memberships - THIS COULD BE YO
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19395	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19396	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: siphon tools
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19397	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19398	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19399	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19400	From: snerticus	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Plants with high pH requirements
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19401	From: Patricia M	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Injured cory
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19402	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Plants with high pH requirements
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19403	From: momofholly2002	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19404	From: fyyr.rm	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19405	From: capetown60	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: 30 gal tank lightsI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19406	From: Aquatic Elf	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: 30 gal tank lightsI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19407	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19408	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: 30 gal tank lightsI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19409	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19410	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19411	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant care for Jungle Val
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19412	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19413	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19414	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: 30 gal tank lightsI
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19415	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19416	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19417	From: snerticus	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plants with high pH requirements
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19418	From: snerticus	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19419	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19420	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19421	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19422	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19423	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19424	From: Rick Rattie	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: 75 Gallon
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19425	From: hank voss	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19426	From: hank voss	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19427	From: fyyr.rm	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19428	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19429	From: Leslie	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19430	From: Leslie	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19431	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19432	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Cory Cats/ Pure Oxygen
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19433	From: hank voss	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19434	From: hank voss	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19435	From: Cory Walter	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19436	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19437	From: Chad Plum	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19438	From: hank voss	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: I kill cory cats
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19439	From: Patricia M	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie wanting to start a planted tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19440	From: Ash	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19441	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19442	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19443	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19444	From: Tammy Schilling	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Shallow water plants, plants with turtles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19445	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19446	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Shallow water plants, plants with turtles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19447	From: hank voss	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Shallow water plants, plants with turtles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19448	From: fyyr.rm	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19449	From: hank voss	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19450	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Plants in Sand?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19451	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19452	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Catfish: most hardy varieties? I have a tough-as-nails banjo heade
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19453	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Shallow water plants, plants with turtles
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19454	From: la_rmarquezjr	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Newbie here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19455	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19456	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19457	From: Subodh Chand	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19458	From: michelle_brown134	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Hi All, and welcome to the group Rod!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19459	From: hank voss	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19460	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19461	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19462	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19463	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19464	From: Chris	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19465	From: AquaticLife	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Important Message About Bouncing Memberships - THIS COULD BE YO
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19466	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19467	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19468	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19469	From: micheal03us	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: swim bladder disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19470	From: alleycat0352	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puffer.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19471	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19472	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19473	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19474	From: Subodh Chand	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19475	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19476	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19477	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19478	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Catfish: most hardy varieties? I have a tough-as-nails banjo h
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19479	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19480	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19481	From: Christine Fogu	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Live Plant Help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19482	From: Christine Fogu	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19483	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish? Man Made
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19484	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: What is this fish? Man Made
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19485	From: clubsprint	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19486	From: Karen Millett	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder disease
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19487	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puff
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19488	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19489	From: Joe Saucedo	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puff
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19490	From: Joe Saucedo	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19491	From: chris topher	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Live Plant Help
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19492	From: snerticus	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19493	From: Jannine	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Blue Mystery Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19494	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19495	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19496	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19497	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19498	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Blue Mystery Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19499	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Apple snails for sale: Minneapolis, MN
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19500	From: Rick Rattie	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: snail eaters
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19501	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: White Seam Pleco
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19502	From: Clubsprint	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19503	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19504	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19505	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19506	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Parasite dip
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19507	From: snerticus	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Blue Mystery Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19508	From: snerticus	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Blue Mystery Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19509	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19510	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19511	From: Clubsprint	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19512	From: michelle_brown134	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Good Morning All
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19513	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19514	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19515	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puff
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19516	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Acidity help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19517	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Apple snails for sale: Minneapolis, MN
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19518	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bugs or Babies?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19519	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19520	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19521	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19522	From: taryn frankenfurter	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: air fish a koi? (seems unlikley but may be so)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19523	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19524	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puff
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19525	From: Joe Saucedo	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for a little info or help on a possible sick green puff
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19526	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19527	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19528	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: air fish a koi? (seems unlikley but may be so)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19529	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19530	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19531	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19532	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19533	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19534	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: OT/Keri
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19535	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: new plants and driftwood
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19536	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: air fish a koi? (seems unlikley but may be so)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19537	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19538	From: bunnycareshi	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19539	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19540	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19541	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Mouth fungus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19542	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apple snails for sale: Minneapolis, MN
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19543	From: cory	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: salt water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19544	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19545	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Mouth fungus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19546	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19547	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19548	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: air fish a koi? (seems unlikley but may be so)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19549	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19550	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19551	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Cycling with bottled ammonia-read here
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19552	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Mouth fungus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19553	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19554	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Mouth fungus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19555	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19556	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: air fish a koi? (seems unlikley but may be so)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19557	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: bottled ammonia to use for cycling
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19558	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19559	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19560	From: Cory	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19561	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19562	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19563	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19564	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Mouth fungus/Joseph
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19565	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Mouth fungus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19566	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19567	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19568	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19569	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19570	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19571	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19572	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19573	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Java Moss & Hydrophila wanted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19574	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19575	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19576	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19577	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19578	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19579	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss & Hydrophila wanted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19580	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19581	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss & Hygrophila wanted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19582	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19583	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19584	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19585	From: Cory	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Skippy
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19586	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19587	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19588	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19589	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19590	From: tommy thompson	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss & Hydrophila wanted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19591	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss & Hydrophila wanted
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19592	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19593	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: "?"'s re Setting up used 55 gal freshwater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19594	From: momofholly2002	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19595	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19596	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19597	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19598	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19599	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19600	From: momofholly2002	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19601	From: Pam	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Questions about MM Platy Fry & Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19602	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19603	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19604	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Questions about MM Platy Fry & Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19605	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19606	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Questions about MM Platy Fry & Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19607	From: Nedra	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Hi! I'm new to the group and have soooooooooo much to learn!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19608	From: Andreas	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: PH probe and light bulb replacement
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19609	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: PH probe and light bulb replacement
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19610	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Questions about MM Platy Fry & Betta
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19611	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm new to the group and have soooooooooo much to learn!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19612	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19613	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19614	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: PH probe and light bulb replacement
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19615	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm new to the group and have soooooooooo much to learn!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19616	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm new to the group and have soooooooooo much to learn!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19617	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: PH probe and light bulb replacement
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19618	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19619	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19620	From: Rob Renfro	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19621	From: hank voss	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19622	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19623	From: snerticus	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19624	From: Cory	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Ick Question I Should Know the Answer To
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19625	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: Ick Question I Should Know the Answer To
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19626	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19627	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: Ick Question I Should Know the Answer To
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19628	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19629	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19630	From: Nedra	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19631	From: hank voss	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19632	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19633	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: brown algae has invaded!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19634	From: Bruce Hansen	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: Archer Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19635	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19636	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19637	From: alleycat0352	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Thanks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19638	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19639	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19640	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19641	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19642	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19643	From: Michael Marcotrigiano	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: brown algae has invaded!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19644	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19645	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19646	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19647	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19648	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19649	From: Nedra	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for an
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19650	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19651	From: hank voss	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for an
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19652	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks/ thin glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19653	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19654	From: Nedra	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Thanks again everyone
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19655	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19656	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks/ thin glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19657	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Getting Rid Of Bristle Worms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19658	From: Nedra	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of Bristle Worms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19659	From: Farscape	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need a recommendation for an algae eater
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19660	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of Bristle Worms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19661	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of Bristle Worms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19662	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19663	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Borneo Suckers
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19664	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: checking for leaks/ thin glass
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19665	From: cory	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: salt water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19666	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19667	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19668	From: wendie	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19669	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19670	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19671	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19672	From: wendie	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19673	From: cory	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: brown algae has invaded!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19674	From: snerticus	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for an
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19675	From: cory	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19676	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Java Moss Background
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19677	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss Background
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19678	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks Steve and everyone else Re: I need a recommendation for
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19679	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of Bristle Worms
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19680	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: Plecos
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19681	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19682	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19683	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: Java Moss Background
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19684	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19685	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19686	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19687	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19688	From: jules27au	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Breeding Neons & Silver Dollars
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19689	From: David	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19690	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19691	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19692	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19693	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19694	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19695	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19696	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19697	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19698	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19699	From: millweem2000	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: Undergravel Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19700	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19701	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19702	From: Cory	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Thank You Group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19703	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19704	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19705	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19706	From: Nedra	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Thanks Steve, that was really interesting!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19707	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19708	From: Nedra	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- also li
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19709	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19710	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19711	From: Nedra	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19712	From: Nedra	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19713	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Tetracycline & Jungle Fungus Clear
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19714	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19715	From: Loki Wolf	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: java wall, goldie salt, and a general hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19716	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Tetracycline & Jungle Fungus Clear
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19717	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19718	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19719	From: Nedra	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19720	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19721	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19722	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: tank deminsions
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19723	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19724	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19725	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19726	From: hank voss	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19727	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19728	From: hank voss	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19729	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19730	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19731	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19732	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19733	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: ? about salt
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19734	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19735	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19736	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: Oranda goldfish developing black pigmentation on abdomen -- als
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19737	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: Re: java wall, goldie salt, and a general hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19738	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19739	From: hank voss	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19740	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19741	From: hank voss	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19742	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19743	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19744	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19745	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19746	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19747	From: Rodrigo Jr. Marquez	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19748	From: hank voss	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19749	From: hank voss	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19750	From: - the one behind the masks - the playwri	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: java wall, goldie salt, and a general hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19751	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19752	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19753	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19754	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: I'm back and sooo happy!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19755	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19756	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19757	From: hank voss	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19758	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19759	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19760	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19761	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: aglaonema
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19762	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19763	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19764	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19765	From: raliegh11	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Salinity Meter
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19766	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19767	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Nitrates are low
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19768	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Nitrates are low
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19769	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19770	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19771	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19772	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19773	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Saltwater Tank Setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19774	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Saltwater Tank Setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19775	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19776	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Saltwater Tank Setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19777	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: Saltwater Tank Setup
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19778	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19779	From: fyyr.rm	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Platys and Cherry barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19780	From: Rob Renfro	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: Platys and Cherry barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19781	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: Platys and Cherry barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19782	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: white stuff????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19783	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: white stuff????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19784	From: semih ovat	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: Platys and Cherry barbs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19785	From: Leslie	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: White stuff on the mouth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19786	From: thedakotawinds	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Gold honey dwarf gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19787	From: WILLIAM E CARLSON	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gold honey dwarf gourami
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19789	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19790	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19791	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19792	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Angel Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19793	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Angel Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19794	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Angel Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19795	From: Jennifer	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Hello all
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19796	From: danielkaudern	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: White stuff on the mouth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19797	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: White stuff on the mouth
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19798	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19799	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: worms in live rock
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19800	From: Andrew	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Just accepted invitation to join this group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19801	From: Leslie	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Angel Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19802	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19803	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19804	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19805	From: jacquieber4@juno.com	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19806	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19807	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19808	From: joe mihalich	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19809	From: vicky	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: NEW MEMBER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19810	From: AquaticLife	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Just accepted invitation to join this group
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19811	From: Will Griffin	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19812	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19813	From: Will Griffin	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Angel Fry
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19814	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: NEW MEMBER
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19815	From: ronno971	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19816	From: Andreas	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: KH Co2 and GH
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19817	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19818	From: glass_etch	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19819	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Controlling phosphates???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19820	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19821	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19822	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19823	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19824	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Controlling phosphates???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19825	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19826	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19827	From: Rodrigo Jr. Marquez	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19828	From: michelle_brown134	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Good Morning All, and Welcome To Our New Members!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19829	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19830	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Puffy mouths on two Angelfishes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19831	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19832	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19833	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19834	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Controlling phosphates???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19835	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19836	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19837	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Puffy mouths on two Angelfishes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19838	From: wendie	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19839	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: my albino cory laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19840	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19841	From: Aaron	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: The Greater Chicago Cichlid Association's Swap Meet is this Sunday!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19842	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Puffy mouths on two Angelfishes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19843	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19844	From: n9010d	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: my albino cory laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19845	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Another Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19846	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: my albino cory laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19848	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Another Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19849	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: my albino cory laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19850	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19851	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Controlling phosphates???
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19852	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19853	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Cloudy Stinky water going away - Thanks!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19854	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Trouble with mollies! Emergency!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19855	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy Stinky water going away - Thanks!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19856	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Puffy mouths on two Angelfishes.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19857	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19858	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19859	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19860	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19861	From: nicolebitan17	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19862	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19863	From: M G	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19864	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19865	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19866	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19867	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19868	From: annja_1966	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19869	From: Joe	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19870	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19871	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Update: Cloudy STINKY fresh-water tank - Help!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19872	From: Bri	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19873	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19874	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19875	From: litchfield_tim	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Flush the Damsel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19876	From: Bri	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Things dying..
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19877	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Flush the Damsel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19878	From: litchfield_tim	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Sorry I didn't mean flush them in a toilet
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19879	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Clown loach!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19880	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Silver feces in goldfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19881	From: Hope Livingston	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Flush the Damsel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19882	From: Heather	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Clown loach!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19883	From: momofholly2002	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Salt & Ich ????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19884	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt & Ich ????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19885	From: momofholly2002	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Salt & ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19886	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt & ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19887	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt & ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19888	From: Angel Collis	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Salt & Ich ????
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19889	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: I think my heater broke on me.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19890	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: I think my heater broke on me.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19891	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: I think my heater broke on me.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19892	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: I think my heater broke on me.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19893	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flush the Damsel
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19894	From: Angel Phillips	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19895	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19896	From: Angel Phillips	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19897	From: Angel Phillips	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19898	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19899	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19900	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19901	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19902	From: farzinafshar	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19903	From: Angel Phillips	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19904	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19905	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19906	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19907	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: ICH!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19908	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19909	From: Matheo	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: WANTED: Genyochromis mento (lake Malawi cichlid)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19910	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19911	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19912	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: WANTED: Genyochromis mento (lake Malawi cichlid)
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19913	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19914	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19915	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19916	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19917	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re: ICH!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19918	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19919	From: donhelms@cox.net	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: "Missing" Dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19920	From: farzin afshar	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19921	From: farzin afshar	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19922	From: FoRTy-TwO	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19923	From: Leslie	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19924	From: Leslie	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19925	From: joe mihalich	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: "Missing" Dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19926	From: Chad Plum	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19927	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19928	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: dragon Fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19929	From: Tammy Howard	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: New to group and wanted to introduce myself
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19930	From: Karen Millett	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19931	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: HELP!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19932	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19933	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: My case of ich
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19934	From: Aaron	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19935	From: Aaron	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: New to group and wanted to introduce myself
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19936	From: habskahuna	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Angelfish problem?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19937	From: Rei - Raymond Tremor	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19938	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19939	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19940	From: Nicole Tan	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19941	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19942	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [AquaticLife] HELP!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19943	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19944	From: hank voss	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19945	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: HELP!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19946	From: Nedra	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: I have little worm like creatures floating and wiggling in my quar
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19947	From: DanK1961@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19948	From: Cory	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19949	From: joe mihalich	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Question.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19950	From: joe mihalich	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19951	From: DanK1961@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19952	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19953	From: Betty Lou	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Cloudy water back - SIGH...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19954	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19955	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19956	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19957	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19958	From: Cory Walter	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19959	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: how many is too much
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19960	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19961	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Cloudy water back - SIGH...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19962	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19963	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19964	From: dblacktroy	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Tankmates for arowana
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19965	From: DanK1961@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Tankmates for arowana
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19966	From: Cory Walter	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19967	From: n9010d	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19968	From: Fred Rhoda	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19969	From: Fred Rhoda	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19970	From: FR�D�RIC OUELLET	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19971	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19972	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19973	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19974	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19975	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19976	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19977	From: litchfield_tim	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19978	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19979	From: Sam Tamura	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19980	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19981	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19982	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Tankmates for arowana
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19983	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19984	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19985	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19986	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19987	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19988	From: Sissy Sathre	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19989	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19990	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19991	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Picked up a Snail
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19992	From: Sam Tamura	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19993	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19994	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19995	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19996	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19997	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19998	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 19999	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: MEAN angelfish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20000	From: Karen Millett	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20001	From: hank voss	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20002	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20003	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: swim bladder issues with von rio tetra
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20004	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20005	From: wcnida	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20006	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20007	From: duretteg	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Tiger Oscar Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20008	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Oscar Problem/Glenn
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20009	From: ~~JFazio~~	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20010	From: Jackie	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Oscar Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20011	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Oscar Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20012	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Oscar Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20013	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Green water
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20014	From: hank voss	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Tiger Oscar Problem
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20015	From: Andreas	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: fish upside down anything I can do?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20016	From: ronno971	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Re: New member
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20017	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20018	From: joe mihalich	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20019	From: joe mihalich	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20020	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20021	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20022	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20023	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20024	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20025	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: gravel vacs
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20026	From: Angelia Moore	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20027	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20028	From: Betty Lou	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Guppies - fin biting by female or platy?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20029	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20030	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20031	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Questions: Ridding new plants of snails, AND what to add to my
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20032	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20033	From: deborahgd14	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20034	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Cory breeding question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20035	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20036	From: husmousa	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Scooter Blenny swimming funny and not eating
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20037	From: lindsay_aquariumofthebay	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Breakfast with Santa at Aquarium of the Bay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20038	From: AquaticLife	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Breakfast with Santa at Aquarium of the Bay
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20039	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Cory breeding question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20040	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Moving & Acclimating fish
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20041	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20042	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20043	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20044	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20045	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20046	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20047	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20048	From: its a secret	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20049	From: its a secret	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: one more question...
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20050	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20051	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20052	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20053	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20054	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20055	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20056	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: PH in tank higher than tap
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20057	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20058	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20059	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20060	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20061	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20062	From: ItsmeDeanna64@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20063	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20064	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20065	From: Cory	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20066	From: Cory	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20067	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20068	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20069	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20070	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20071	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20072	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20073	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20074	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20075	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20076	From: Cory Walter	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20077	From: Cory Walter	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20078	From: chris topher	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20079	From: chris topher	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20080	From: dwand4kids	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20081	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20082	From: jane parry	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20083	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Discus
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20084	From: joe t	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20085	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20086	From: Mel Bowman	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: a very large aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20087	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-chia?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20088	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20089	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20090	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Got the chia pet answer
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20091	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20092	From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: New poll for AquaticLife
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20093	From: AquaticLife	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Not so New poll for AquaticLife
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20094	From: usnavyplanecaptain	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20095	From: Sam Tamura	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20096	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20097	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20098	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank/Plus tear down due to
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20099	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourai concern
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20100	From: AquaticElf	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Anyone interested in a barnacle for their aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20101	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a barnacle for their aquarium
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20102	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20103	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20104	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20105	From: joe mihalich	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20106	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20107	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20108	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20109	From: Tim Fairchild	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20110	From: Nedra	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank/Plus tear down due to
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20111	From: Nedra	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Does anyone know if Pleco's suck the mucus off other fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20112	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20113	From: anne carrera	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Pleco's suck the mucus off other fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20114	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20115	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Pleco's suck the mucus off other fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20116	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20117	From: Heather	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Guppies are turning into to zombies!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20118	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Guppies are turning into to zombies!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20119	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20120	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20121	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Genetically defunct fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20122	From: Linda	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20123	From: Heather	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Guppies are turning into to zombies!!!
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20124	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20125	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20126	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20127	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20128	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20129	From: Linda Hodgens	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20130	From: Bharath Tonse	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20131	From: Morganawolf1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Angel eggs??
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20133	From: iowakoi	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20134	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20135	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20136	From: lynne_laverty	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20137	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20138	From: Linda Hodgens	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20139	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20140	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: anchor worms?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20141	From: Nedra	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Pleco's suck the mucus off other fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20142	From: Nedra	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20143	From: Joe	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20144	From: Joe	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20145	From: Nedra	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20146	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20147	From: lynne_laverty	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20148	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20149	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20150	From: Joe	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20151	From: Joe	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20152	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: High ammonia level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20153	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: To rid of a CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20154	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20155	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Clown?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20156	From: Lynne Laverty	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20157	From: Lynne Laverty	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20158	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20159	From: Linda Hodgens	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Sick Clown?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20160	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Very strange worm like creatures in tank.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20161	From: Joe	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20162	From: iowakoi	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: update on high ammoina level
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20163	From: Melissa Laing	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: To rid of a CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20164	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: To rid of a CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20165	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20166	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20167	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20168	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20169	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20170	From: Farscape	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Pleco's suck the mucus off other fish?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20171	From: Farscape	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: To rid of a CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20172	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20173	From: Leslie & Dane	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: To rid of a CAE
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20174	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20175	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20176	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20177	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20178	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20179	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20180	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20181	From: Lynne Laverty	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Water Hardness help please
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20182	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20183	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20184	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20185	From: its a secret	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: how breed Silver Dollars?
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20186	From: Joseph Reid	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goldfish laying on its side at the bottom of the tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20187	From: Nedra	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Thanks for the Pleco advise.
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20188	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: needing a new lid only question
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20189	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: how do you prop your lid up when cleaning your tank
Group: AquaticLife	Message: 20190	From: Chad Plum	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: needing a new lid only question
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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16194	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Please Help!!!!!

Hi Guys, I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l. So, obviously these #'s are awful (except the ph is fine). First, I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Can someone recommend a good LFS with knowledge people...right now I have used a pet smart, pet supermarket, and one LFS, and frankly, they are all idiots. For example, I wanted to purcahse one fish and they said it was peaceful. Looked it up, ummmm hell no. Okay, so I had a few fish in the tank for afew days ( 2 cory's, 2 glass cat fish, 6 mollies, and 7 neon tetras) and really they were doing okay with, I assume, the numbers my tests generated today. However, yesterday I added a beautuiful gold nugget pleco, 4 black neon tetra's, some amazon sword plants, combada plants, and a 4 blood fin tetras. I woke up this morning and, everything, but the 2 cory's, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 blood fin tetra's were all dead. Obviously, I am not going to add anything until this tank stablizes. Can someone recommend anything? PLEASE HELP! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16195	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Iksnip@... writes: <<<I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l.>>> Sorry about your losses. With a month under its belt, your tank was probably a little better than halfway through its cycle. PetSmart, and most stores like it, only test water with the test strips, which tend to be pretty inaccurate -- and often *quite* inaccurate when the store uses past date stuff. Most fish aren't going to live long when popped into a tank with those numbers, so what happened is not unexpected. Keep testing the water and perform water changes to keep the fish you still have healthy and allow the tank to complete its cycle. Only then, when your ammonia and nitrite are both consistently at 0, can you consider slowly adding more fish. When did you add the original fish? You mentioned you had them for a few days. How long has the tank had fish in it? One thing you've obviously learned already is to research fish before buying. Too many fish stores of various types are too involved with selling fish than educating their patrons. IMO, a well educated, happy customer is more likely to come back repeatedly to spend more money rather than the person who is unhappy because they dump some money into trying, have major losses and give up. Go figure. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16196	From: harry perry	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!/Ken

Go to www.firsttankguide.net/cycle.php I hope this helps. Harry Iksnip@... wrote: Hi Guys, I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l. So, obviously these #'s are awful (except the ph is fine). First, I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Can someone recommend a good LFS with knowledge people...right now I have used a pet smart, pet supermarket, and one LFS, and frankly, they are all idiots. For example, I wanted to purcahse one fish and they said it was peaceful. Looked it up, ummmm hell no. Okay, so I had a few fish in the tank for afew days ( 2 cory's, 2 glass cat fish, 6 mollies, and 7 neon tetras) and really they were doing okay with, I assume, the numbers my tests generated today. However, yesterday I added a beautuiful gold nugget pleco, 4 black neon tetra's, some amazon sword plants, combada plants, and a 4 blood fin tetras. I woke up this morning and, everything, but the 2 cory's, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 blood fin tetra's were all dead. Obviously, I am not going to add anything until this tank stablizes. Can someone recommend anything? PLEASE HELP! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16197	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Hey Vicky, thanks for your feedback. I had the first batch on fish in the tank for a matter of days (perhaps 5) before i added the second batch and the tank expired. I can't say for sure exactly how long I have been cycling the tank but, again, it has been a few weeks. your right about pet smart using those strips. Basically, looked, said it was good, and moved on. Total morons! Basically, just gotta let this cycle continue and go from there I guess. thanks Ken -----Original Message----- From: seleya8@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:00:00 EST Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Please Help!!!!! In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Iksnip@... writes: <<<I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l.>>> Sorry about your losses. With a month under its belt, your tank was probably a little better than halfway through its cycle. PetSmart, and most stores like it, only test water with the test strips, which tend to be pretty inaccurate -- and often *quite* inaccurate when the store uses past date stuff. Most fish aren't going to live long when popped into a tank with those numbers, so what happened is not unexpected. Keep testing the water and perform water changes to keep the fish you still have healthy and allow the tank to complete its cycle. Only then, when your ammonia and nitrite are both consistently at 0, can you consider slowly adding more fish. When did you add the original fish? You mentioned you had them for a few days. How long has the tank had fish in it? One thing you've obviously learned already is to research fish before buying. Too many fish stores of various types are too involved with selling fish than educating their patrons. IMO, a well educated, happy customer is more likely to come back repeatedly to spend more money rather than the person who is unhappy because they dump some money into trying, have major losses and give up. Go figure. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16198	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

In a message dated 1/1/2006 4:16:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Iksnip@... writes: <<<thanks for your feedback. I had the first batch on fish in the tank for a matter of days (perhaps 5) before i added the second batch and the tank expired. I can't say for sure exactly how long I have been cycling the tank but, again, it has been a few weeks.>>> Unless you did something to help the cycle along before they were added, your cycle didn't start until those first fish were added. Harry provided a link explaining cycling which should explain it thoroughly. (and a lot better than I could) <<<your right about pet smart using those strips. Basically, looked, said it was good, and moved on. Total morons! Basically, just gotta let this cycle continue and go from there I guess.>>> Yup, just keep testing your water, change water as needed and plan what you're going to add when the cycle is done (the fun part). Be sure to add any additional fish a couple at a time, not a bunch at once, so the biological filter can keep up. Those test strips are all but useless imo -- they're only good to pick up larger anomalies. In the grand scheme of things, the reagent tests (dropper tests) aren't scientifically accurate either, but they're sufficient for our general use. ;-) Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16199	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Vicky, Why do you claim the test strips are inaccurate? They are used in labs all the time. They have a longer shelf life than reagents. While they may not tell you that your water is actually pH 7.15, they will register a 7.2 and that is the kind of accuracy you will get with the reagent based kits. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seleya8@... Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Please Help!!!!! In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Iksnip@... writes: <<<I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l.>>> Sorry about your losses. With a month under its belt, your tank was probably a little better than halfway through its cycle. PetSmart, and most stores like it, only test water with the test strips, which tend to be pretty inaccurate -- and often *quite* inaccurate when the store uses past date stuff. Most fish aren't going to live long when popped into a tank with those numbers, so what happened is not unexpected. Keep testing the water and perform water changes to keep the fish you still have healthy and allow the tank to complete its cycle. Only then, when your ammonia and nitrite are both consistently at 0, can you consider slowly adding more fish. When did you add the original fish? You mentioned you had them for a few days. How long has the tank had fish in it? One thing you've obviously learned already is to research fish before buying. Too many fish stores of various types are too involved with selling fish than educating their patrons. IMO, a well educated, happy customer is more likely to come back repeatedly to spend more money rather than the person who is unhappy because they dump some money into trying, have major losses and give up. Go figure. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16200	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Ken, The water sample you brought to PetSmart may have tested as they said. You do not indicated doing the tests yourself prior to adding the new fish and plants to the tank, only after the disaster. Had you done the tests prior to the store doing them, they could have confirmed your readings. Now, let's step back and take a look at your situation. You set up a new 75 gallon tank. Unless you added ammonia yourself, the tank did not start to cycle until you added your first fish. There are, basically two schools of thought regarding tank cycling. One is to use fish, and gradually increase the population thus creating a series of mini-cycles as the bacterial colonies grow to process the load in the tank. The other is known as fishless cycling where ammonia is added to the tank instead of fish. Enough ammonia is added to bring the level to 5.0 ppm Ammonia is added everyday until it is processed by the bacteria. Then you add fish. When you added your first fish, you started the tank's cycle. Your ammonia level started to increase, and would have peaked at a certain point. At that time the nitrites would be spiking. Once the nitrites reached 0.0 ppm, your cycle would have been complete. Then you could start adding fish gradually, watching your ammonia and nitrite levels as you do so. Once they settle down, you can add a few more fish and so on, until you reach the stocking level you wish or the limit of the tank. I'd suggest that who ever took the tests of your water sample had a more liberal view of what is OK than what may be warranted. The only OK for ammonia is 0.0. However, not having your tests as a comparison, we will not know. From now on, do the testing yourself, and make sure your reagents are not out of date. If an expiration date is not listed, assume they are and get test kits that do have an expiration date. When your ammonia and nitrites are both 0 and stay that way for a few days, consider adding a few more fish. You should note a rise in your ammonia followed by a rise in your nitrites. They should not be great. When things zero out again, and stay that way, a few more fish would be in order. I've no idea of what may be a good shop in your area, but http://www.planet-pets.com/shopsflofl.htm should give you a start. You'll need to determine the good ones yourself. Also http://www.angelshatchery.com/ looks to be pretty good, but it specializes in koi and African cichlids, however, they might be able to recommend a good general store for you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iksnip@... Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:31 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Please Help!!!!! Hi Guys, I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l. So, obviously these #'s are awful (except the ph is fine). First, I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Can someone recommend a good LFS with knowledge people...right now I have used a pet smart, pet supermarket, and one LFS, and frankly, they are all idiots. For example, I wanted to purcahse one fish and they said it was peaceful. Looked it up, ummmm hell no. Okay, so I had a few fish in the tank for afew days ( 2 cory's, 2 glass cat fish, 6 mollies, and 7 neon tetras) and really they were doing okay with, I assume, the numbers my tests generated today. However, yesterday I added a beautuiful gold nugget pleco, 4 black neon tetra's, some amazon sword plants, combada plants, and a 4 blood fin tetras. I woke up this morning and, everything, but the 2 cory's, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 blood fin tetra's were all dead. Obviously, I am not going to add anything until this tank stablizes. Can someone recommend anything? PLEASE HELP! Ken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16201	From: Patrick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Something makes me doubt that real scientists use aquarium-grade test strips, and if they do, I highly doubt they keep them like the folks at the fish store, out in the open and exposed to the elements. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Vicky, Why do you claim the test strips are inaccurate? They are used in labs all the time. They have a longer shelf life than reagents. While they may not tell you that your water is actually pH 7.15, they will register a 7.2 and that is the kind of accuracy you will get with the reagent based kits. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16202	From: Patrick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Nitrates at 5ppm mean that your tank is almost done with the initial cycle, so that is good. The high ammonia and nitrite readings mean that you aren't quite there yet. Do a 50% water change, test every other day, and change again when ammonia hits 2 again. And don't add any more fish for a few weeks. Patrick http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquariumdebates ----- Original Message ----- From: <Iksnip@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Please Help!!!!! Hi Guys, I need help with several issues as, last night, 85% of my 75 gallon tank died. I've had the tank cycling around a month and, according to water tests done by pet smart, by #'s were fine. I just ran tests myself with Fresh Water Master Test Kit and my #'s actually look ugly. According to these tests results, which contradict a test result from the store my results are (if I read this correctly) Ph level 7.2 Nitrite .25-.50 mg/l Nitrate 5 mg/l Ammonmia 2.0 mg/l. So, obviously these #'s are awful (except the ph is fine). First, I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Can someone recommend a good LFS with knowledge people...right now I have used a pet smart, pet supermarket, and one LFS, and frankly, they are all idiots. For example, I wanted to purcahse one fish and they said it was peaceful. Looked it up, ummmm hell no. Okay, so I had a few fish in the tank for afew days ( 2 cory's, 2 glass cat fish, 6 mollies, and 7 neon tetras) and really they were doing okay with, I assume, the numbers my tests generated today. However, yesterday I added a beautuiful gold nugget pleco, 4 black neon tetra's, some amazon sword plants, combada plants, and a 4 blood fin tetras. I woke up this morning and, everything, but the 2 cory's, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 blood fin tetra's were all dead. Obviously, I am not going to add anything until this tank stablizes. Can someone recommend anything? PLEASE HELP! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16203	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Please Help!!!!!

Patrick, The same suppliers make the same strips for both lab and aquarist use. (And I am not talking about the old pH tapes.) True, the scientists may have slightly different storage procedures <g>. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Please Help!!!!! Something makes me doubt that real scientists use aquarium-grade test strips, and if they do, I highly doubt they keep them like the folks at the fish store, out in the open and exposed to the elements. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Vicky, Why do you claim the test strips are inaccurate? They are used in labs all the time. They have a longer shelf life than reagents. While they may not tell you that your water is actually pH 7.15, they will register a 7.2 and that is the kind of accuracy you will get with the reagent based kits. \\Steve// Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16204	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Artificial sea water : m rosenbergii hatchery

G r e e t i n g s Hello, I am looking formula and references on Artificial Sea Water for m.rosenbergii hatchery Any clues please? ManyThanks, indulkarshailu@... Nigeria

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16205	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Artificial sea water : m rosenbergii hatchery

Have you Googled "artificial seawater"? First hit gives one formula. Third hit also gives a formula. Rather than mixing it yourself, you may wish to purchase commercial mixes, which will probably work out to be less expensive and more reliable than making your own mix. Since it appears that these freshwater prawn need only brackish water, you may be able to get away with using Epsom salts to make the water. You would need to experiment with this approach, though, as it may be lacking in a needed component. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shailendra Indulkar Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Artificial sea water : m rosenbergii hatchery G r e e t i n g s Hello, I am looking formula and references on Artificial Sea Water for m.rosenbergii hatchery Any clues please? ManyThanks, indulkarshailu@... Nigeria Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16206	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

Again, but this time they didn't eat them. I checked on them this and found four of the eggs turned white. Is that good or bad? If it is good, I have at least four hatchlings coming whenever they hatch. The rest of the eggs are not valid as they made no changes overnight. I think it is the dad or the mom who is standing guard over them, fanning them with fresh water. They are keeping the other Angelfishes away from the nest. I will later on today see about getting a picture of the pair to show them off and maybe get a shot of where the nest is. Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16207	From: wendie	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

It's been a long time since I've raised Angels but if I remember correctly the white eggs mean a fungus. The eggs should remain clear and eventually you will see development inside the eggs. Watching Mom and Dad take care of the eggs and babies is a joy. Mine would actually take them on a tour of the tank and show them off. They'd wash them. Stick them back on the leaf at night... it was really a show to behold. Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Beth Brownell Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night. Again, but this time they didn't eat them. I checked on them this and found four of the eggs turned white. Is that good or bad? If it is good, I have at least four hatchlings coming whenever they hatch. The rest of the eggs are not valid as they made no changes overnight. I think it is the dad or the mom who is standing guard over them, fanning them with fresh water. They are keeping the other Angelfishes away from the nest. I will later on today see about getting a picture of the pair to show them off and maybe get a shot of where the nest is. Beth Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16208	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

Beth, The white eggs are no good. The white indicates that. They were either not fertilized or they have fungused. You can probably expect that they will be removed by the fish in a short while. This does not always occur, and they can be removed with an eyedropper. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Brownell Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:08 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night. Again, but this time they didn't eat them. I checked on them this and found four of the eggs turned white. Is that good or bad? If it is good, I have at least four hatchlings coming whenever they hatch. The rest of the eggs are not valid as they made no changes overnight. I think it is the dad or the mom who is standing guard over them, fanning them with fresh water. They are keeping the other Angelfishes away from the nest. I will later on today see about getting a picture of the pair to show them off and maybe get a shot of where the nest is. Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16209	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

Turning white means they have died or were infertile/not fertilized in time...so...no...not good. They should pick those off eventually. The key is not to overly disturb the Angels as they could freak out and eat all the eggs. Eric On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:07:42 -0000 "Beth Brownell" <spencer_creek_studios@...> wrote: > Again, but this time they didn't eat them. > I checked on them this and found four of the eggs turned >white. > Is that good or bad? > If it is good, I have at least four hatchlings coming >whenever > they hatch. > The rest of the eggs are not valid as they made no >changes overnight. > I think it is the dad or the mom who is standing guard >over them, > fanning them with fresh water. > They are keeping the other Angelfishes away from the >nest. > I will later on today see about getting a picture of the >pair to > show them off and maybe get a shot of where the nest is. > > Beth > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when >replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >.·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that >is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of >the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new >subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >.·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! >Terms of Service. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16210	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

Well, I took six pictures of my mating pair and posted them on my gallery page: http://desert.f-realm.com/gal/index.php?category=30 They are the last six pictures on the screen. I hope to have at least, now that I know that the white eggs are not valid fishes, a dozen hatchlings to come. Anyways, what a way to start off the new year with some new hatchlings. :) Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16211	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

Well, all the eggs turned white so no new hatchlings for this month. Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16212	From: Russell	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: my goldfish

my goldfish stays near the bottom of the tank. shell come up to eat and go back doen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16213	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night.

That’s sad Beth. It probably means that none of the eggs were fertilized. Hope for the next time. I have never had success with the eggs surviving in a community tank so if you really do want them to breed again and get the fry growing, it would be a good idea to setup a breeding tank for the parents alone. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Brownell Sent: 02 January 2006 23:31 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last night. Well, all the eggs turned white so no new hatchlings for this month. Beth Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16214	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: my goldfish

Russel, What temperature are you keeping them at? At cold temperatures (10-14 C), they will tend to behave this way as their metabolism is very slow. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Sent: 03 January 2006 00:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] my goldfish my goldfish stays near the bottom of the tank. shell come up to eat and go back doen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16215	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: my goldfish

ABOUT 71 DEGREES.BUT U DONT HAVE TO WORRY IT DIED THIS MORNING Nimish Mathur <nimmat4@...> wrote: Russel, What temperature are you keeping them at? At cold temperatures (10-14 C), they will tend to behave this way as their metabolism is very slow. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Sent: 03 January 2006 00:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] my goldfish my goldfish stays near the bottom of the tank. shell come up to eat and go back doen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16216	From: Subodh Chand	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1082

It is rather difficult to raise angel fish. But the process is very interesting. Firstly as suggested, you should have a seperate tank for the angel pair. Keep some vertical smooth surfaces like slate or even plants like amazons large vallisnaria etc, which they will clean and lay the eggs. Once they lay the eggs, the male fish will stand next to them and keep fanning the water over them. It would even pick up some of them that keep falling down and stick them back. This goes on and soon you will see the little fish on the leaves still sticking with the tails wagging. At this stage the adults should be removed asthey could eat them up. Next is the difficult part as they have to be fed. You could check with the others what to feed them as I have failed mostly after this part. They do not get enough to eat or eat too much and gradually die. I live in India where micro food is not available. Daphnia just hatched fromeggs is supposed to be good. Subodh > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:30:34 -0000 > From: "Beth Brownell" > <spencer_creek_studios@...> > Subject: Re: My Angelfishes have laid eggs last > night. > > Well, all the eggs turned white so no new hatchlings > for this month. > > Beth > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16217	From: amit mhamane	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Happy New Year

Thank's may u too have a jubiliant year of 2006

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16219	From: Karen	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: New to group, brackish aquarium

hello, I want to set up a 55 gal aquarium as a brackish water tank for Monos and scats. I have a lot of questions. Can anyone recommend a book? Or what is the best temp? How many could I keep in this size tank? How about mangrove plants are they safe with the fish? thanks, Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium

"Brackish Aquariums" is the only book I know that is explicitly about brackish tanks. The author is Michael Gos, I believe. It is a TFH KW book, and, most likely, out of print. You'll have to haunt used book stores to find it (and possibly other gems). You could also ask on the Aquatic books list here on Yahoo!, though it is usually pretty quiet or the Aquarium Hobby Historical Society, again on Yahoo!, if anyone has a copy they would like to sell you. There are a number of other books that cover brackish tanks in passing, but usually, the information is not enough. You are probably looking at temperatures in the upper 70"s to low 80's for any of the commonly available brackish fish. Scats will grow to 10-15" as adults, so you are looking at one scat, or, with monos growing to 9.5", you may be able to keep two. These are as adults. You may keep more when they are younger, but you'll need to know what you are going to do with them as they grow older and larger. There are a number of other fish that will live in brackish water--mollies are one, and there are a number of other livebearers that you can keep in brackish environs. There are a number of goby species that require brackish waters, and some real oddballs in the way of mudskippers and _Anableps_ spp. There are even some killifish that require brackish water. Mangroves will do well in brackish water. It is one of their natural habitats, and there are many fish that live among the roots. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New to group, brackish aquarium hello, I want to set up a 55 gal aquarium as a brackish water tank for Monos and scats. I have a lot of questions. Can anyone recommend a book? Or what is the best temp? How many could I keep in this size tank? How about mangrove plants are they safe with the fish? thanks, Karen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16221	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

1.) Food: Food for commercial fish breeders (Tilapia etc.) is many times cheaper than ornamental fish food. Does it really pay to buy those tiny ornamental fish food packages with their almost homeopathic doses and their medicine-like prices, or could one buy for instance a 25 kg sack of commercial fish food? (I talked with a semi-professional ornamental fish breeder: He does precisely this: He always buys food for non-ornamental fish!) 2.) Aquarium design: I learnt to design the Aquarium, as if it were a "waterscape" (landscape would sound somewhat absurd). That is the design should transmit the feeling that the aquarium is a natural, although artificial, ecosystem. Now I restarted aquarism more in a freestyle way. So my actual 20 Gal tank is subdivided in a natural place, where I put some pebbles from a local river, a cleaning place, where I left nothing on the ground and where water currents accumulate debris which I then clean, and a "photosynthesis place" where I put a Valisneria and a Elodea in a clay pot, there is also a guppy baby hiding place, where I put lots of floating plants (Salvinia and that stuff). But the aquarium does not look natural at all. It is just functional. Is there any stream in aquarium design which promotes such thinking? 3.) Guppies: Are guppies viviparous or ovoviviparous? Until what age can they be cannibalized by their own species? (I think only in the very first few hours or day or so?) best wishes from Brazil, Thomas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16222	From: paul helms	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

guppies can be cannibalized as long as they fit in the other fishes mouth. --- Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: > > 1.) Food: > > Food for commercial fish breeders (Tilapia etc.) is > many times > cheaper than ornamental fish food. > > Does it really pay to buy those tiny ornamental fish > food packages > with their almost homeopathic doses and their > medicine-like prices, > or could one buy for instance a 25 kg sack of > commercial fish food? > > (I talked with a semi-professional ornamental fish > breeder: He does > precisely this: He always buys food for > non-ornamental fish!) > > 2.) Aquarium design: > > I learnt to design the Aquarium, as if it were a > "waterscape" > (landscape would sound somewhat absurd). That is the > design should > transmit the feeling that the aquarium is a natural, > although > artificial, ecosystem. > > Now I restarted aquarism more in a freestyle way. > > So my actual 20 Gal tank is subdivided in a natural > place, where I > put some pebbles from a local river, a cleaning > place, where I left > nothing on the ground and where water currents > accumulate debris > which I then clean, and a "photosynthesis place" > where I put a > Valisneria and a Elodea in a clay pot, there is also > a guppy baby > hiding place, where I put lots of floating plants > (Salvinia and that > stuff). > > But the aquarium does not look natural at all. It is > just functional. > > Is there any stream in aquarium design which > promotes such thinking? > > 3.) Guppies: Are guppies viviparous or > ovoviviparous? Until what age > can they be cannibalized by their own species? (I > think only in the > very first few hours or day or so?) > > best wishes from Brazil, Thomas > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16223	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

Thomas, Buying food in bulk makes sense, if you are going to use it fairly quickly. As soon as you open the package, a slow deterioration sets it (it will also go stale while sealed--but open it goes faster). If you buy a pound of flake, and it lasts you two years--that is way too much food to be buying, and your fishes health will also show it. On the other hand, if you finish it off in 2 months, then you probably have the right amount. Buying in bulk may not save you money. As far as aquascaping goes ("waterscaping"), check out the AGA site for planted tanks ( http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/ ). You can wander about the site, but to get to the pictures quickly, click on Aquascaping Contest. You'll see pictures of the tank, a plant list for the tank, a diagram of the tank, a description of the tank (size, fish, etc.) and comments from the judges. There are a number of books out covering the topic and many sites giving good, bad, and/or mediocre advice on the web. It takes some talent to do a tank well, and practice may help (but not according to those who know my tanks <g>). I don't recall, off the top of my head which type of livebearer the guppy is--I'd need to look it up--but, I'd tend to go with viviparous. Adults will cannibalize the young, given the opportunity, as will other fish, and the other fish may even eat the adult guppies. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Schlemmermeyer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies 1.) Food: Food for commercial fish breeders (Tilapia etc.) is many times cheaper than ornamental fish food. Does it really pay to buy those tiny ornamental fish food packages with their almost homeopathic doses and their medicine-like prices, or could one buy for instance a 25 kg sack of commercial fish food? (I talked with a semi-professional ornamental fish breeder: He does precisely this: He always buys food for non-ornamental fish!) 2.) Aquarium design: I learnt to design the Aquarium, as if it were a "waterscape" (landscape would sound somewhat absurd). That is the design should transmit the feeling that the aquarium is a natural, although artificial, ecosystem. Now I restarted aquarism more in a freestyle way. So my actual 20 Gal tank is subdivided in a natural place, where I put some pebbles from a local river, a cleaning place, where I left nothing on the ground and where water currents accumulate debris which I then clean, and a "photosynthesis place" where I put a Valisneria and a Elodea in a clay pot, there is also a guppy baby hiding place, where I put lots of floating plants (Salvinia and that stuff). But the aquarium does not look natural at all. It is just functional. Is there any stream in aquarium design which promotes such thinking? 3.) Guppies: Are guppies viviparous or ovoviviparous? Until what age can they be cannibalized by their own species? (I think only in the very first few hours or day or so?) best wishes from Brazil, Thomas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16224	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium

That book is available 2nd hand on Amazon (and there is a photo so you can more easily recognise it if you're in 'real' shops) at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876665199/qid=1136511195/sr=8- 5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl14/002-7897316-0995204? n=507846&s=books&v=glance I also have a copy if you have any questions, although I don't think I want to part with it! :) I love monos and scats. I've never kept them, but having worked in a few aquarium stores I feel like I have. They are from northern Australia (and probably elsewhere, but these guys are local to me) and there are several other fish that can handle brackish waters. A good site or book on Australian freshwater fish will help you out with this. As a side note, Australia has alot of fish classed as "freshwater" by most authors because they spend some of their life cycle in freshwater. In many cases though, they are quite able to spend their entire lifetime in brackish water. Anyway - one of the fish I can recommend is the archer fish (Toxotes jaculator) - you may have heard of it - it has a groove in the roof of it's mouth and by closing it's mouth it is able to squirt water from the surface so as to shoot down prey which may be flying past or located on overhanging plants. In my opinion, the archer fish has to be *the* most entertaining fish I've ever owned. In the aquarium though it doesn't have much opportunity for shooting down prey (unless you really build something special for them). The ones I've kept have, however, jumped out of the water (albeit hitting the glass lids) to catch live flies that I've put in the tank. There are some animations of archer fish here: http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/brackish_water/archer_fish.h tm That page mentions there are 6 recognised species but I believe this is currently being revised to either 7 or 8. Either way, Toxotes jaculator is the one you'll most likely encounter in the aquarium industry. Monos, scats and archer fish are all quite robust, strong fish. They will eat little fish. Chris. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@l...> wrote: > > "Brackish Aquariums" is the only book I know that is explicitly about > brackish tanks. The author is Michael Gos, I believe. It is a TFH KW book, > and, most likely, out of print. You'll have to haunt used book stores to > find it (and possibly other gems). You could also ask on the Aquatic books > list here on Yahoo!, though it is usually pretty quiet or the Aquarium Hobby > Historical Society, again on Yahoo!, if anyone has a copy they would like to > sell you. There are a number of other books that cover brackish tanks in > passing, but usually, the information is not enough. > > You are probably looking at temperatures in the upper 70"s to low 80's for > any of the commonly available brackish fish. > > Scats will grow to 10-15" as adults, so you are looking at one scat, or, > with monos growing to 9.5", you may be able to keep two. These are as > adults. You may keep more when they are younger, but you'll need to know > what you are going to do with them as they grow older and larger. There are > a number of other fish that will live in brackish water--mollies are one, > and there are a number of other livebearers that you can keep in brackish > environs. There are a number of goby species that require brackish waters, > and some real oddballs in the way of mudskippers and _Anableps_ spp. There > are even some killifish that require brackish water. > > Mangroves will do well in brackish water. It is one of their natural > habitats, and there are many fish that live among the roots. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Karen > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] New to group, brackish aquarium > > hello, I want to set up a 55 gal aquarium as a brackish water tank for > Monos and scats. I have a lot of questions. Can anyone recommend a > book? Or what is the best temp? How many could I keep in this size > tank? How about mangrove plants are they safe with the fish? thanks, > Karen > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16225	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

Hello again Thomas. This site lists Family Poeciliidae as ovoviviparous (eggs hatch internally to the female resulting in live young being born): http://habitatnews.nus.edu.sg/guidebooks/freshfish/text/224.htm and this site lists Poeciliidae as viviparous (that is, true live young, no egg at any stage): http://www.praphan.com/farm/ Fishbase (www.fishbase.org) actually lists egg diameter for Poecilia reticulata at 1.7mm which supports the ovoviviparous view (at: http://www.fishbase.org/Reproduction/FishEggMorphologySummary.cfm? &GenusName=Poecilia&SpeciesName=reticulata&stockcode=3424) The type species for the Poecilia genus is "Poecilia vivipara" (http://www.fishbase.org/Eschmeyer/GeneraSummary.cfm?ID=Poecilia) - but this doesn't imply anything about P. reticulata. I cannot find a definite statement on the fishbase site however as to whether P. reticulata is viviparous or ovoviviparous - but either way live young are born. Regarding the question of young being eaten, as mentioned, if they fit in the adults' mouths, they can be eaten. The best way to avoid this is to have a large amount of plants which have fine leaves. Elodea is great (*http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/wq/plants/native/elodea.html). Forget "breeder boxes" which only stress both the mother and young. I think the reputation for "only the first few hours" is because when they young are first born, they sometimes do not move for a few minutes and people think that once they start swimming they won't get eaten. Generally this is true, but fine-leaved plants are your best bet. Regarding tank design then - my personal opinion is it doesn't really matter how the tank looks to you, the only thing I would place importance on is being "humane" to the fish. Many shops have completely bare tanks - just glass - and argue that the fish do not spend long there before being sold, which is absolute rubbish, and even if true I still think this environment would stress most fish. If the purpose of a tank is for display, make it look beautiful. If it's for breeding or research, make it functional, but give consideration to fish being stressed in sparse tanks. Have potted plants if you want a bare bottom tank (no gravel) for example. Regarding food - it's already been mentioned - buy bulk to save money, but the food deteriorates over time. A great option if you're breeding guppies (and I think you are) is to put some containers of water outside, maybe even with a potted water plant in each. within a few weeks you will have insects breeding in there (eg mosquitoes, etc). I wouldn't transfer any water from there into your tanks (ie filter the water through a net or cloth to separate the bugs), but certainly I'd feed the larvae to the fish. If you have to be really strict about introducing pests, then freeze the larvae for a few days first. Once you get a routine going you've got quick easy access to great fish food. Chat again soon! Chris. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Schlemmermeyer" <evolthomas@y...> wrote: > > > 1.) Food: > > Food for commercial fish breeders (Tilapia etc.) is many times > cheaper than ornamental fish food. > > Does it really pay to buy those tiny ornamental fish food packages > with their almost homeopathic doses and their medicine-like prices, > or could one buy for instance a 25 kg sack of commercial fish food? > > (I talked with a semi-professional ornamental fish breeder: He does > precisely this: He always buys food for non-ornamental fish!) > > 2.) Aquarium design: > > I learnt to design the Aquarium, as if it were a "waterscape" > (landscape would sound somewhat absurd). That is the design should > transmit the feeling that the aquarium is a natural, although > artificial, ecosystem. > > Now I restarted aquarism more in a freestyle way. > > So my actual 20 Gal tank is subdivided in a natural place, where I > put some pebbles from a local river, a cleaning place, where I left > nothing on the ground and where water currents accumulate debris > which I then clean, and a "photosynthesis place" where I put a > Valisneria and a Elodea in a clay pot, there is also a guppy baby > hiding place, where I put lots of floating plants (Salvinia and that > stuff). > > But the aquarium does not look natural at all. It is just functional. > > Is there any stream in aquarium design which promotes such thinking? > > 3.) Guppies: Are guppies viviparous or ovoviviparous? Until what age > can they be cannibalized by their own species? (I think only in the > very first few hours or day or so?) > > best wishes from Brazil, Thomas >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16226	From: Chris	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@l...> wrote: > Scats will grow to 10-15" as adults, so you are looking at one scat, or, > with monos growing to 9.5", you may be able to keep two. These are as > adults. You may keep more when they are younger, but you'll need to know > what you are going to do with them as they grow older and larger. If I've got my numbers right, I'd have a different opinion on this. Can you confirm that 55gal = 5'x18"x14"? which here in Sydney you'd call a standard 5 foot tank of about 210 litres. Again, I haven't kept these fish, but I don't see why you couldn't keep 6 to 12 fish (mixed species of monos and scats) in a 5 foot tank like this? Is there a particular reason you suggest only 1 or 2 fish? Thanks, Chris.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16227	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to group, brackish aquarium

Chris, Simply put, bioload and turning ability. A 55 gallon here in the states is 48" l x 12.5" w x 21" h. A 15" fish will have a problem turning in a 12" diameter circle. Both monos and scats are deep bodied fish. Both have relatively meaty diets--lots of protein, lots of ammonia. Quite often you see them smaller than the lengths I've quoted, but they do get to be that size, if they have the proper care and growing room. You can start off with several, but as they grow, you'll need to cull or get a larger tank for them. If you want several fish in the tank, there are many other good options for brackish fish that do not grow as large. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: New to group, brackish aquarium --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@l...> wrote: > Scats will grow to 10-15" as adults, so you are looking at one scat, or, > with monos growing to 9.5", you may be able to keep two. These are as > adults. You may keep more when they are younger, but you'll need to know > what you are going to do with them as they grow older and larger. If I've got my numbers right, I'd have a different opinion on this. Can you confirm that 55gal = 5'x18"x14"? which here in Sydney you'd call a standard 5 foot tank of about 210 litres. Again, I haven't kept these fish, but I don't see why you couldn't keep 6 to 12 fish (mixed species of monos and scats) in a 5 foot tank like this? Is there a particular reason you suggest only 1 or 2 fish? Thanks, Chris. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16228	From: Karen	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Brackish Aquarium

Hello and thank you for the replies to my post. I am going to look for that book. After doing some research on the web I think I am going to look at a 75 gal tank instead of a 55. I really wanted two Monos and 2 scats and I don't want to have to get rid of them because they get to large. I am a filtration freak and run a cannister and a wet dry along with a protein skimmer. I was going to "start" the tank with mollies before I got the fish I really wanted because the local pet store will take them back when I don't want them any more. I am going to look at the archer fish too sounds like a fun fish. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16229	From: KttmfC	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Saltwater fish only

I am planning on a saltwater fish only tank... my question is about 2 things, protein skimmer and lighting. Would the fish only require the same lighting as a reef? and do i need a skimmer? what are the advantages and disacdvantages please anyone. Ive done the reef thing and loved it but it got costly for the type of corals i wanted to keep so... any help would be awesome. thanks Kris

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16231	From: Tara	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: guppies

Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16233	From: Patrick	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Forever. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16234	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

sometimes guppys seem to pregnant all there lives :-) A lot of Livebearers ( guppies especially ) can get pregnant over and over again without a male being present in the tank. I once had a female guppy have 4 spawnings in a 10 gallon tank without a male ever being present.... I think the gestation period is 40 days ( I know I'm wrong ) usually when the gravid spot is all the way to the back and the belly looks like its ready to POP, you are close usually a day or two from birth. just wait your 29 gallon tank will be full in 6 months of guppies. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:39:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fad51@... writes: > Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. > About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The > other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. > Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16235	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?/Luis

WAY TO GO HARRY ....a moderator who moderates... & Fast on the Ban button :-) I like it.............. keep up the good work Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:59:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, harryfisherman@... writes: > This group is not your marketplace. You have been banned from this group. > > Harry a moderator. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16236	From: Laura	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it? Laura If you give up when it's winter, you will miss the promise of your spring, the beauty of your summer, and the fulfillment of your fall. -------Original Message------- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/06/06 21:12:24 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies sometimes guppys seem to pregnant all there lives :-) A lot of Livebearers ( guppies especially ) can get pregnant over and over again without a male being present in the tank. I once had a female guppy have 4 spawnings in a 10 gallon tank without a male ever being present.... I think the gestation period is 40 days ( I know I'm wrong ) usually when the gravid spot is all the way to the back and the belly looks like its ready to POP, you are close usually a day or two from birth. just wait your 29 gallon tank will be full in 6 months of guppies. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:39:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fad51@... writes: > Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. > About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The > other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. > Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16237	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

without knowing how to say this nicely .. I'll just say it. Females Hold sperm inside them to be used for fertalization. sometimes in the wild a female can go a long time before running into a male, so they have adapted at storing it and using it later. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:15:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time, llmdolphin@... writes: > Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in > sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that > sarcastically and I didnt catch it? > > Laura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16238	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:15:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, llmdolphin@... writes: <<<Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it?>>> No, a male is in the equation, but he can go away and the female will have enough of his sperm stored up to have subsequent litters. She can get bred, he can be removed, she will have her first litter in 60ish days, then another, and another and another..... I believe around 6ish litters without being inseminated again. Of course, this can wreak havoc with a breeding program. ;-) Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16239	From: Patrick	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Nope, they can store the genetic material in their bodies for months after their last encounter with a male, allowing them to make new guppies every month or 40 days. Same is true for many of the other popular livebearers. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it? Laura

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16240	From: Laura	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Pretty cool adaptation...thanks for the education laura If you give up when it's winter, you will miss the promise of your spring, the beauty of your summer, and the fulfillment of your fall. -------Original Message------- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/06/06 21:18:49 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies without knowing how to say this nicely .. I'll just say it. Females Hold sperm inside them to be used for fertalization. sometimes in the wild a female can go a long time before running into a male, so they have adapted at storing it and using it later. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:15:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time, llmdolphin@... writes: > Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in > sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that > sarcastically and I didnt catch it? > > Laura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16241	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

lol...seems like it...but it sure keeps my angels happy *grin* Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, 06 January 2006 20:48 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies Forever. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16242	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

wooohoo...little Jesus fish *snicker* Seriously...some critters can reproduce asexually...some will also change sex if one sex is either missing or rare. This is just guesses. it could also be that they were already pregnant when you bought them... Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura Sent: Friday, 06 January 2006 21:13 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it? Laura If you give up when it's winter, you will miss the promise of your spring, the beauty of your summer, and the fulfillment of your fall. -------Original Message------- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/06/06 21:12:24 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies sometimes guppys seem to pregnant all there lives :-) A lot of Livebearers ( guppies especially ) can get pregnant over and over again without a male being present in the tank. I once had a female guppy have 4 spawnings in a 10 gallon tank without a male ever being present.... I think the gestation period is 40 days ( I know I'm wrong ) usually when the gravid spot is all the way to the back and the belly looks like its ready to POP, you are close usually a day or two from birth. just wait your 29 gallon tank will be full in 6 months of guppies. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:39:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fad51@... writes: > Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. > About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The > other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. > Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16243	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

cool...didn't know that. Cats do that too...they can also have kittens from multiple males. Animals sure are interesting little critters hehehe Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, 06 January 2006 21:20 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies Nope, they can store the genetic material in their bodies for months after their last encounter with a male, allowing them to make new guppies every month or 40 days. Same is true for many of the other popular livebearers. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it? Laura Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16244	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:43:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, woad@... writes: <<<cool...didn't know that. Cats do that too...they can also have kittens from multiple males. Animals sure are interesting little critters hehehe>>> Cats have a different mechanism than guppies. LOL As with any animal which has multiple offspring at the same time, they can certainly be inseminated by more than one male during a heat, but they don't store more semen for later. ;-) This is a pretty cool adaptation many livebearers share. =) Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16245	From: Evita	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Although very rare so can a person in the case when two eggs are dropped and she has more than one partner. Evita seleya8@... wrote: In a message dated 1/6/2006 10:43:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, woad@... writes: <<<cool...didn't know that. Cats do that too...they can also have kittens from multiple males. Animals sure are interesting little critters hehehe>>> Cats have a different mechanism than guppies. LOL As with any animal which has multiple offspring at the same time, they can certainly be inseminated by more than one male during a heat, but they don't store more semen for later. ;-) This is a pretty cool adaptation many livebearers share. =) Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16246	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Gestation in the guppy is approximately 28 days. This can vary with temperature and the availability of food. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tara Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:05 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] guppies Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16247	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: guppies

Since Immaculate Conception has yet to be proven in guppies, the female, at some point has had contact with a male. Guppies, and some other fish, have the ability to store sperm until it can be used. I have read, but never tested, that guppies can retain sperm for up to six months, meaning that , approximately, they can have up to six broods without seeing another male. I'm sure there are factors that affect the length of time a female can remain impregnated, but do not know for sure. Serious breeders will remove males to another tank when the fry become sexable to prevent unauthorized breeding. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies Call me ignorant....but HOW does a female get pregnant without a male in sight??? That doesnt make sense to me....unless you are saying that sarcastically and I didnt catch it? Laura If you give up when it's winter, you will miss the promise of your spring, the beauty of your summer, and the fulfillment of your fall. -------Original Message------- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/06/06 21:12:24 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] guppies sometimes guppys seem to pregnant all there lives :-) A lot of Livebearers ( guppies especially ) can get pregnant over and over again without a male being present in the tank. I once had a female guppy have 4 spawnings in a 10 gallon tank without a male ever being present.... I think the gestation period is 40 days ( I know I'm wrong ) usually when the gravid spot is all the way to the back and the belly looks like its ready to POP, you are close usually a day or two from birth. just wait your 29 gallon tank will be full in 6 months of guppies. Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:39:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fad51@... writes: > Hi! I have a 29 gallon tank and just bought 2 female guppies today. > About 2 hours after getting them home, one of them had 3 babies. The > other guppy is pregnant but not sure when she will have the babies. > Can someone tell me how long they are pregnant? Thank you! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16248	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

But this kind of "mouth-fitness" seems to be a sort of dynamic one. I have now three guppies, perhaps one week old, and sometimes they swim right in front of the nose of the adults, without getting eaten. Of course they swim away, when the adults try to eat them. But the adults do not try to do this with very much effort. But immediately after birth, the guppies are a sort of direct fresh food, much more appreciated. Oh, I see, there are now so many Guppy messages, I will try to read them all... best wishes, Thomas --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, paul helms <wtfmorlok@y...> wrote: > > guppies can be cannibalized as long as they fit in > the other fishes mouth. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16249	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus

labelled this way in LFS, also called gold aluminum cat. tried to google it and got no matches. can anyone tell me something about this fish? thanks, samantha

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16250	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus

In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:18:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosette55@... writes: <<<labelled this way in LFS, also called gold aluminum cat. tried to google it and got no matches. can anyone tell me something about this fish?>>> Try Chrysichthys auratus. ;-) Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16251	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Chysicthys Aratus

Perhaps you mean _Chrysichthys auratus_? I don't see much in the way of keeping this fish in aquaria, but there are a number of scientific papers about various aspects of the fish. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rosette55@... Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:18 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Chysicthys Aratus labelled this way in LFS, also called gold aluminum cat. tried to google it and got no matches. can anyone tell me something about this fish? thanks, samantha Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16252	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Angel tank mates?

I have someone wanting to give me two medium sized angel fish. I have a 10 gal. with 3 small tetras, a beta and a cory cat. A 75 with 3 blood parrots, 2 giant danios, 1 large minnow of some sort, 1 large firemouth, 1 small firemouth and 2 pictus cats. Would either of these tanks work for the angels? I don't think they will but I though I should ask first as I know nothing about angel fish. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16253	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Angel tank mates?

The 10 will be too small for angels. I don't know about the 75, I don't have any experience with those fish. Are these angels a pair or simply two? That would also be a factor. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16254	From: KttmfC	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: trying again...

<):)im gonna try this again.... does anyone have any info on setting up a fish only saltwater tank? just basic stuff like what i have to use and what is ecommended but not required... thanks!8-} Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16255	From: Kevin	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: trying again...

Fish-only saltwater tanks are alot like freshwater tanks, only with salt. You don't necessarily have to have a protein skimmer like you do with a reef tank. I believe (don't quote me on this) that you can use activated carbon with a fish-only tank, but never with a reef tank. You could probably use an Eclipse hood/filter if you wanted. When dealing with freshwater tanks, I always recommend live plants to help remove nitrates from the water. Likewise, with fish-only saltwater tanks, I recommend the addition of some macroalgae for the same reason. Prolific species like Halimeda & Caulerpa are excellent for this purpose (just make sure Caulerpa is legal in your area). In reef tanks these algae would soon smother corals, but thats not a concern in a fish-only setup. Just make sure you have sufficient lighting. Although its fish-only, I would recommend the addition of afew snails to eat algae off of the glass. If you ever feel like trying a few other inverts, take it from me - mushroom anemones are extremely hardy. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "KttmfC" <punk3r12@y...> wrote: > > > <):)im gonna try this again.... does anyone have any info on setting up a fish only saltwater tank? just basic stuff like what i have to use and what is ecommended but not required... thanks!8-} > > Kris

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16256	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: A few questions on food, aquarium design, and Guppies

I think this suggestion of breeding mosquito larvae in open tanks is an environmental crime in Brazilian cities due to Dengue vectors? But I will inform myself if there are any particular Brazilian methods that avoid these particular dangers and prohibitions, > few weeks you will have insects breeding in there (eg mosquitoes, > etc). I wouldn't transfer any water from there into your tanks (ie > filter the water through a net or cloth to separate the bugs), but > certainly I'd feed the larvae to the fish. If you have to be really > strict about introducing pests, then freeze the larvae for a few days > first. Once you get a routine going you've got quick easy access to > great fish food. > > Chat again soon! > > Chris. best wishes and thanks for your answer, Thomas >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16257	From: Karen	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: distilled water

Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16258	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Greetinsgs to you, I am not too sure I would use distilled water, but filtered water. Distilled water is pretty empty, but filtered water will filter out the bad stuff. There should be a store there somewhere as there is where I live where you can buy filtered water from a machine, it is not expensive. Most machines give you a choice, filtered, where it filters out chlorine and heavy metals or distilled where it basically filters out everything. Now this is what I have been told from another person, I have never used distilled water. Have fun now, Ivan Aqua-Hobbyist@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, Karen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16259	From: Karen	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

-Hi, Thanks, I guess that is what I really meant. However some people have told me that the water at groceries stores isn't really all that "pure". I guess I could call deep rock and see if they will sell water from their plant. I know it is RO. Karen-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan White \(Aqua-Hobbyist\)" <Aqua- Hobbyist@a...> wrote: > > Greetinsgs to you, > > I am not too sure I would use distilled water, but filtered water. Distilled water is pretty empty, but filtered water will filter out the bad stuff. There should be a store there somewhere as there is where I live where you can buy filtered water from a machine, it is not expensive. Most machines give you a choice, filtered, where it filters out chlorine and heavy metals or distilled where it basically filters out everything. Now this is what I have been told from another person, I have never used distilled water. > > Have fun now, > > Ivan > Aqua-Hobbyist@a... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:22 AM > Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water > > > Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to > fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make > it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has > ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have > never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, > Karen > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16260	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Molly question

I have a pregnant molly again and need to transfer her. The problem is that I have two babies in the 2 gallon that I need to put into my 50. I don't know if they are big enough to survive. They are about and inch long. Thoughts? Cynthia

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16261	From: John Gonzalez	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Karen, I use Distilled water from a local water delivery service. I've had no problems with it. Once it's all gone I normally go to a Rite-Aid by my place & get RO water from a water dispenser. Hopefully they do a good maintenance on their filters. So far so good. I have no problems using that water supply. -John --- Karen <retroyello@...> wrote: > -Hi, Thanks, I guess that is what I really meant. > However some > people have told me that the water at groceries > stores isn't really > all that "pure". I guess I could call deep rock and > see if they will > sell water from their plant. I know it is RO. > Karen-- In > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan White > \(Aqua-Hobbyist\)" <Aqua- > Hobbyist@a...> wrote: > > > > Greetinsgs to you, > > > > I am not too sure I would use distilled water, but > filtered water. > Distilled water is pretty empty, but filtered water > will filter out > the bad stuff. There should be a store there > somewhere as there is > where I live where you can buy filtered water from a > machine, it is > not expensive. Most machines give you a choice, > filtered, where it > filters out chlorine and heavy metals or distilled > where it basically > filters out everything. Now this is what I have > been told from > another person, I have never used distilled water. > > > > Have fun now, > > > > Ivan > > Aqua-Hobbyist@a... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Karen > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:22 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water > > > > > > Our city water is so bad I am thinking about > buying distilled > water to > > fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" > it in any way to > make > > it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear > from anyone who > has > > ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish > I want but I > have > > never had them flown in before so wondering how > well they do. > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when replying, > thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all > TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > (was re: old > subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16262	From: wendie	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question

What's in the 50? Any floating plants? Wendie Subject: [AquaticLife] Molly question I have a pregnant molly again and need to transfer her. The problem is that I have two babies in the 2 gallon that I need to put into my 50. I don't know if they are big enough to survive. They are about and inch long. Thoughts? Cynthia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16263	From: wendie	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Bottled water is okay but not distilled water. Wendie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16264	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question

No floating, but tons of all kinds of others. They have doubled in size since birth and they look too big to fit it any of the fishes mouths. I have a big blue gourami, a large clown loach, some tetras, a bunch of other mollies and some kuli loaches Thanks so much! Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: "wendie" <wendieo@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Molly question What's in the 50? Any floating plants? Wendie Subject: [AquaticLife] Molly question I have a pregnant molly again and need to transfer her. The problem is that I have two babies in the 2 gallon that I need to put into my 50. I don't know if they are big enough to survive. They are about and inch long. Thoughts? Cynthia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16265	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Karen, Yes, you will need to add the needed minerals and salts to the water. I do have some recipes for doing so, but, they are not on this computer. I'll see if I can find them when I get home, if they have not hit the bit heap in the ether. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, Karen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16266	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Karen What are the bad parts of the water? Is it just bad to the taste or does it have some other aspect that makes it unsuitable for your fish? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Karen <retroyello@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:22:09 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, Karen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16267	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Molly question

I'd keep an eye on the gourami, but you will probably be OK. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred and Cynthia > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Molly question > > No floating, but tons of all kinds of others. They have > doubled in size > since birth and they look too big to fit it any of the fishes > mouths. I > have a big blue gourami, a large clown loach, some tetras, a > bunch of other > mollies and some kuli loaches > > Thanks so much! > > Cynthia > > http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName > =album01&id=bag > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wendie" <wendieo@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Molly question > > > What's in the 50? Any floating plants? > Wendie > Subject: [AquaticLife] Molly question > > > I have a pregnant molly again and need to transfer her. > The problem is > that > I have two babies in the 2 gallon that I need to put into > my 50. I don't > know if they are big enough to survive. They are about and > inch long. > Thoughts? > > Cynthia

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16268	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Hi, Well there could be many bad things about some kinds of water depending on where the water came from. Heavy metals are not good, water that is too hard or too soft may not be good for some fish. chlorine is not good, some kinds of artesian well water is no good as that is what we have on farms in south dakota. Floride is not good, but not sure how it affects fish. So if your concerned about it, you should purchase filtered water, not distilled. There are many things about water that cold be harmful to fish, again, depending on where it comes from as not all water is the same. Quinine water is never good, smells like eggs as artesian water does and it is loaded with heavy chemicals, good for humans maybe, not good for fish. There are many fish and marine products on the market that can take care of some of these things and help and I use them myself. Many of the these products such as black water extract help make the water like the south american fishes habitat. Take care now Ivan Aqua-Hobbyist@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Deenerz@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] distilled water Karen What are the bad parts of the water? Is it just bad to the taste or does it have some other aspect that makes it unsuitable for your fish? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Karen <retroyello@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:22:09 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] distilled water Our city water is so bad I am thinking about buying distilled water to fill my new tank. Do I have to "reconstitute" it in any way to make it suitable for fish? Also would like to hear from anyone who has ordered through Flying Fish. They have the fish I want but I have never had them flown in before so wondering how well they do. Thanks, Karen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16269	From: RUFUS BARR	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Seagrass seeds

I'm trying to find seeds and more info on germination of seagrasses (specifically Enhalus, Thalassia, and Halophila). Enhalus sometimes called "sea fruit" is commonly washed up on beaches (or so I've been told). If during collecting you should happen to find any, please contact me. I'm going to try germination and mariculture in closed system, land locked, and on a students budget. Gary Todd "Rufus" Barr 730 CR315 Rockdale, TX 76567 512-446-7931

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16270	From: Sean McQuilken	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: New Member

I recently joined the group. My primary interests in fish keeping is breeding, however recently I have discovered a couple other aspects I enjoy, working with planted tanks and photography of my tanks. I look foward to discussing my interets with others. I currently have about 5 tanks setup. They contain everything from neon tetras to a large adult, male convict cichlid. Sean

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16271	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: strange Clown Knife behavior question

Hey group. Just wondering if anyone has ever heard of this strange behavior by a Clown Knife or by any fish for that matter. First to give you some background, she is a Clown Knife of about 5 years old. I keep her in a 130 gal. aquarium with a 24" Irridescent Shark. She is about 20" long and she has dropped eggs 3 times that I know of since I bought her as a baby. She mainly eats live feeder goldfish but occasionaly I'll give her Hikari carnivore pellets for a change. The strange behavior is every time I drop in the sinking carnivore pellets she immediately goes over to the pile of pellets and "marks" them. It looks like she is actually sticking out her egg tube and rubs it directly on the pellets as she passes over them. She does it every time. Sometimes she eats the pellets and sometimes she doesn't. Anyone ever hear of this behavior before? Is she marking her food? Diane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16272	From: Karen	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Hi everyone and thanks for the responses. From what I understand from our water company: chemicals have been added to the water to make it unwise to use in fish tanks. Can't be more specific than that I'm afraid. Since I will be taking some time to get this tank set up I am checking into the water delivery companies. Might just have it delivered every two weeks and use the "reconstitute". I have seen several commercially advertised but if you have a better recipe I would like to have it. I have been trying to find African Scats but with no success so far. If anyone hears of a source I would love to hear about. I did get a 75 gallon tank so eventually hope it will house 2 to 3 each of Mono Sebae and either the African or green scats. I have some other questions about cycling the tank but this is getting long so I will stop for now. Karen--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@l...> wrote: > > Karen, > > Yes, you will need to add the needed minerals and salts to the water. I do have some recipes for doing so, but, they are not on this computer. I'll see if I can find them when I get home, if they have not hit the bit heap in the ether. > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16273	From: Patrick	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

The chemicals are EASILY removed with chlor out, stress coat, prime, aqua safe, etc. There is no need to buy water unless your local water does not meet EPA standards. In that case, send a sample to the EPA and your city will go broke fixing the problem and paying fines. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Hi everyone and thanks for the responses. From what I understand from our water company: chemicals have been added to the water to make it unwise to use in fish tanks. Can't be more specific than that I'm afraid. Since I will be taking some time to get this tank set up I am checking into the water delivery companies. Might just have it delivered every two weeks and use the "reconstitute". I have seen several commercially advertised but if you have a better recipe I would like to have it. I have been trying to find African Scats but with no success so far. If anyone hears of a source I would love to hear about. I did get a 75 gallon tank so eventually hope it will house 2 to 3 each of Mono Sebae and either the African or green scats. I have some other questions about cycling the tank but this is getting long so I will stop for now. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16274	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Karen, read Patrick's post. I would bet it is probably just Chloramine and can easily be dealt with with an over the counter water treatment like Prime or Amquel. Have your local water company send you a letter with all the values for the water and post it here and I think you will be probably not have to go through the hassle of bottled water. I understand you not wanting to jeopardise your fish, but Chloramine and chlorine are in most if not all major water municipalities. My previous home had some of the highest quality water in the nation and I had to treat for Chloramine and chlorine with Amquel. Mike In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, retroyello@... writes: Hi everyone and thanks for the responses. From what I understand from our water company: chemicals have been added to the water to make it unwise to use in fish tanks. Can't be more specific than that I'm afraid. Since I will be taking some time to get this tank set up I am checking into the water delivery companies. Might just have it delivered every two weeks and use the "reconstitute". I have seen several commercially advertised but if you have a better recipe I would like to have it. I have been trying to find African Scats but with no success so far. If anyone hears of a source I would love to hear about. I did get a 75 gallon tank so eventually hope it will house 2 to 3 each of Mono Sebae and either the African or green scats. I have some other questions about cycling the tank but this is getting long so I will stop for now. Karen--- In [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16275	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!

My Angelfish is at the bottom of the tank barely swimming and when he swims to the top of the tank, he is struggling to stay up there. His mouth is open and he looks like he's gasping for air but he's not. I have placed three drops of homeopathic rescue remedy into the water near to where he is at to help him. I am not sure what is wrong with my Angelfish. Please help. Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16276	From: muskie4817	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Swordtail problem

I have a male swordtail that seems to be having a problem. He has been hanging out at the top of the tank all day by the power filter. He has been fine until today. Everyone else in the tank is swimming fine. The water temp is 76-78 degrees. The ph is right around 6.8 - 7.0. Nitrates, nitrites and ammonia are good. Any ideas?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16277	From: tydrake	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!

Hi, Does it have something to do with ammonia? maybe you should check it and change the water? Don't know if this helps at all, ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Brownell To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Angelfish needs help! Urgent! My Angelfish is at the bottom of the tank barely swimming and when he swims to the top of the tank, he is struggling to stay up there. His mouth is open and he looks like he's gasping for air but he's not. I have placed three drops of homeopathic rescue remedy into the water near to where he is at to help him. I am not sure what is wrong with my Angelfish. Please help. Beth Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16278	From: mariuxi0212	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: wanted: mr. krabs aqua figure

hi, i'm setting up my fishing tank with spongebob's characters. If anybody has mr. krabs, I'll take him. thanks! Mariuxi Flores

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16279	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: My Angelfish is gone. (Was Re: Angelfish needs help! Urgent!)

My Angelfish that was in trouble, died just a few minutes ago. He was the only one who was acting this way and I just changed the water three days ago and I will plan on doing a 20% water change tomorrow since he passed on. The other Angelfish are looking around for the missing member of the group and swimming where he was before he died. Now all I have in the tank is the breeding pairs, a pale red tetra of unknown breed, a pair of red finned silver or white fish breed unknown and my pleco. Beth --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Brownell" <spencer_creek_studios@y...> wrote: > > My Angelfish is at the bottom of the tank barely swimming and when > he swims to the top of the tank, he is struggling to stay up there. > His mouth is open and he looks like he's gasping for air but he's > not. > I have placed three drops of homeopathic rescue remedy into the > water near to where he is at to help him. > > I am not sure what is wrong with my Angelfish. > > Please help. > > Beth

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16280	From: Karen	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Cycling the tank

Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired of this. I read an article on cycling the tank without using guinea pig fish. It stated that you could just add a few drops of ammonia to the water daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish in it. Has anyone done this? Also I am wondering if the bacteria are affected by changes in PH and salinity? If I do use mollies or some such fish to cycle the tank should I start off with one and then add more. If so how many do I put in and how often? What SG would you suggest for the Monos and Scats as adults? As I said lots of questions but Thank you for your responses so far. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16281	From: Justin M.	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

At 03:59 AM 12/01/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired of this. I read >an article on cycling the tank without using guinea pig fish. It >stated that you could just add a few drops of ammonia to the water >daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish in it. Has >anyone done this? I have three tanks; one I cycled with fish, the other two were fishless cycles. I used the ammonia drop method for both fishless cycles, and it worked like a charm. It takes patience though; both my tanks took five weeks to cycle this way. But IMO that's a lot better than subjecting fish to the nasties in an uncycled tank. >Also I am wondering if the bacteria are affected by >changes in PH and salinity? I do not believe so. JM

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16282	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

Karen, You need to add enough ammonia to measure 5 ppm on your test kit, then maintain that level as the cycle progresses. Once you are adding ammonia everyday, and the readings are showing 0 ppm the next, your nitrites should be in the spike and receding, once the nitrites reach 0, you are ready to start adding fish. As for your specific gravity, there is no need to maintain a certain level. Brackish water fish are adapted to live at many levels of specific gravity, most from fresh water to marine water. When I have had brackish tanks in the past, most fish did better when the specific gravity was varied. \\Steve// > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:00 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling the tank > > Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired of this. I read > an article on cycling the tank without using guinea pig fish. It > stated that you could just add a few drops of ammonia to the water > daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish in it. Has > anyone done this? Also I am wondering if the bacteria are > affected by > changes in PH and salinity? If I do use mollies or some such fish to > cycle the tank should I start off with one and then add more. If so > how many do I put in and how often? What SG would you > suggest for the > Monos and Scats as adults? As I said lots of questions but Thank you > for your responses so far. Karen > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16283	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Fish Identity

I have a couple of Gourami that I can't seem to identify. THE LFS I got them from had them listed as Honey Gourami, but I know this isn't the case as they are at least twice the size of my honey gourami. I love their personality. First pair of fish I ever bought that I can hand feed right off the bat. Very friendly. Their coloring is a burnt red. They are a little shorter (top to bottom) than a dwarf gourami, but about the same length, roughly 2 inches.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16284	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

Use BioSpira. It cycles within 24 hours and you can then add fish and no fish are put through the ringer. 36 hours + is reccommended for adding the fish after the BioSpira. But it beats 5+ weeks. =) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling the tank Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired of this. I read an article on cycling the tank without using guinea pig fish. It stated that you could just add a few drops of ammonia to the water daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish in it. Has anyone done this? Also I am wondering if the bacteria are affected by changes in PH and salinity? If I do use mollies or some such fish to cycle the tank should I start off with one and then add more. If so how many do I put in and how often? What SG would you suggest for the Monos and Scats as adults? As I said lots of questions but Thank you for your responses so far. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16285	From: wendie	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

I've used it both with fish in the tank - dummy me removed too many fish and plants at once and upset everything - and with new tanks. I usually add the fish the next day and haven't had a problem. I've also added it within 6 or 7 hours before adding fish without a problem and I'm keeping sensitive loaches. I've cycled about 7 tanks with it. I also buy extra and keep it on hand as it's good for six months. Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Cycling the tank Use BioSpira. It cycles within 24 hours and you can then add fish and no fish are put through the ringer. 36 hours + is reccommended for adding the fish after the BioSpira. But it beats 5+ weeks. =) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling the tank Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired of this. I read an article on cycling the tank without using guinea pig fish. It stated that you could just add a few drops of ammonia to the water daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish in it. Has anyone done this? Also I am wondering if the bacteria are affected by changes in PH and salinity? If I do use mollies or some such fish to cycle the tank should I start off with one and then add more. If so how many do I put in and how often? What SG would you suggest for the Monos and Scats as adults? As I said lots of questions but Thank you for your responses so far. Karen Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16286	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity

can you post a picture of them? --- The Dragon Hunter <dragon.hunter@...> wrote: > I have a couple of Gourami that I can't seem to > identify. THE LFS I got > them from had them listed as Honey Gourami, but I > know this isn't the case > as they are at least twice the size of my honey > gourami. I love their > personality. First pair of fish I ever bought that > I can hand feed right > off the bat. Very friendly. > > Their coloring is a burnt red. They are a little > shorter (top to bottom) > than a dwarf gourami, but about the same length, > roughly 2 inches. > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16287	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity

As soon as I get home that will be no problem. -Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeen Gonzalez" <valeendgonzalez@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Fish Identity > can you post a picture of them? > > --- The Dragon Hunter > <dragon.hunter@...> wrote: > > > I have a couple of Gourami that I can't seem to > > identify. THE LFS I got > > them from had them listed as Honey Gourami, but I > > know this isn't the case > > as they are at least twice the size of my honey > > gourami. I love their > > personality. First pair of fish I ever bought that > > I can hand feed right > > off the bat. Very friendly. > > > > Their coloring is a burnt red. They are a little > > shorter (top to bottom) > > than a dwarf gourami, but about the same length, > > roughly 2 inches. > > > > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez > valeendgonzalez@... > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16288	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

not sure if this is exactly the way you're supposed to cycle, but i have never cycled any of my tanks (fresh or salt) with fish. it seems cruel to the fish & unnecessary since you can simply add something else to culture the amonia. in salt, a lot of people use a piece of raw shrimp thrown in, or simply let the tank sit with water, live rock & sand for at least 4 weeks. in fresh, i've always just filled with water & gravel & let sit for the same - 4 weeks or so. --- Karen <retroyello@...> wrote: > Hi, More questions! I hope you all don't get tired > of this. I read > an article on cycling the tank without using guinea > pig fish. It > stated that you could just add a few drops of > ammonia to the water > daily and it would cycle the same as if you had fish > in it. Has > anyone done this? Also I am wondering if the > bacteria are affected by > changes in PH and salinity? If I do use mollies or > some such fish to > cycle the tank should I start off with one and then > add more. If so > how many do I put in and how often? What SG would > you suggest for the > Monos and Scats as adults? As I said lots of > questions but Thank you > for your responses so far. Karen > > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16289	From: Pat Jellison	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cycling the tank

Another thing you can do is jump-start the cycle by adding a few of handfuls of gravel and a few plants or rocks from an established, healthy tank. I've done this for years and I never see an ammonia or nitrite spike. Very best fishes, Pat J

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16290	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity

Probably one of the varieties of dwarf gouramis. Hard to say without a better description or a picture. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Dragon Hunter Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Identity I have a couple of Gourami that I can't seem to identify. THE LFS I got them from had them listed as Honey Gourami, but I know this isn't the case as they are at least twice the size of my honey gourami. I love their personality. First pair of fish I ever bought that I can hand feed right off the bat. Very friendly. Their coloring is a burnt red. They are a little shorter (top to bottom) than a dwarf gourami, but about the same length, roughly 2 inches. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16291	From: wantvws	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Lighting question

Hi...I'm looking at a 72" compact flourescent light fixture (384w-4x96w) for a new 210 gallon setup. Initially it will be fish only. It is manufactured by Odyssea....is it a decent fixture? I am new to this...I posted a lot about 8 months ago when I first got this aquarium, and still have not set it up, but I am getting close. I also have some filtration questions, but I'll save those for later. Thanks!!!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16292	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Inside Filter 4 W, 500 liters per hour, Altmann, if I recall it cor

Hello, in my already described approximately 20 Gal (70 liters) tank, I installed an inside filter by, if I recall it correctly, Altmann. It is a 4 W machine that moves 500 liters of water, per hour. Now, as I also already outlined previously, here in Brazil, problem is not so much heating but rather cooling of water (at least during summer). How much does the internal filter machine contribute to water heat up, due to engine heat? It seems to me, that it does contribute significantly, but I would like to get opinions.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16293	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

i have 2 odyssea pc lights & both work great. one is a 65w & the other is a 130w. what do you plan on having under these lights? this is for a sw tank i take it? --- wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: > Hi...I'm looking at a 72" compact flourescent light > fixture (384w-4x96w) for a new 210 > gallon setup. Initially it will be fish only. It is > manufactured by Odyssea....is it a decent > fixture? I am new to this...I posted a lot about 8 > months ago when I first got this aquarium, > and still have not set it up, but I am getting > close. I also have some filtration questions, > but I'll save those for later. > Thanks!!!! > Robbie > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16294	From: scott johnston	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: question

hello all been along time since i have posted anything on here but i have a question for you all. how can you fingure out how big a tank will be with out seeing it but knowing how many gallons it is im wanting a 125 gallon tank but need to know the dementions of one fist does anyone have any ideas?? thank you for your time all.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16295	From: wendie	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: question

Hi, Here's a handy site. The measurements and weights are for glass tanks so acrylic will weigh less. http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/tipsandtables/l/bltanksize.htm Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scott johnston Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question hello all been along time since i have posted anything on here but i have a question for you all. how can you fingure out how big a tank will be with out seeing it but knowing how many gallons it is im wanting a 125 gallon tank but need to know the dementions of one fist does anyone have any ideas?? thank you for your time all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16296	From: wantvws	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

Yeah...it'll be a saltwater fish-only tank to begin with, but I would like to eventually put some invertabrates and plants in, too. Is a 72", 384w fixture enough for this tank? Thanks! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16297	From: harry perry	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: question/Wendie

Thank you. Folks like you make these groups work. Harry a moderator. wendie <wendieo@...> wrote: Hi, Here's a handy site. The measurements and weights are for glass tanks so acrylic will weigh less. http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/tipsandtables/l/bltanksize.htm Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scott johnston Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question hello all been along time since i have posted anything on here but i have a question for you all. how can you fingure out how big a tank will be with out seeing it but knowing how many gallons it is im wanting a 125 gallon tank but need to know the dementions of one fist does anyone have any ideas?? thank you for your time all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16298	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Identity

Darn it. Forgot to UL the pics last night. Will get them up tonight. Thanks in advance yall. :D -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Dragon Hunter Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Identity I have a couple of Gourami that I can't seem to identify. THE LFS I got them from had them listed as Honey Gourami, but I know this isn't the case as they are at least twice the size of my honey gourami. I love their personality. First pair of fish I ever bought that I can hand feed right off the bat. Very friendly. Their coloring is a burnt red. They are a little shorter (top to bottom) than a dwarf gourami, but about the same length, roughly 2 inches. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16299	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

you probably already said, but how many gallons is your tank? for fish only you don't have to have higher lighting. once you start putting in coral though, then you'll need to adjust your lighting depending upon the kind of coral you want to keep. sps coral, certain tridacnid clams & certain lps i think, need pretty intense lighting. some lps & softies (mushrooms, zoos, leathers, etc.) don't require the really intense lighting. i myself keep softies & lps in my tank under pc lighting. i have some mushrooms, sun corals (don't need intense, or any, lighting), frogspawn, gorgonian, palythoas, zoanthids & 1 torch. --- wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: > Yeah...it'll be a saltwater fish-only tank to begin > with, but I would like to eventually put > some invertabrates and plants in, too. Is a 72", > 384w fixture enough for this tank? > Thanks! > Robbie > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16300	From: wantvws	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

It's 210 gallons, and I am going to start off with fish only. When you say that some coral need really intense light, are you referring to metal halides? Or, can I just get more powerful flourescents? With the size of this fixture and the price, I could probably add another one just like it if I need more light in the future, right? Thanks for your help! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16301	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

i did mean metal halides when i said more intense. but it's not a hard & fast rule that you have to get halides. my lighting is on the low end that's why i only have softies & lower light lps corals. i think softies do well with something around 3-4w/gallon or so. so you can calculate your tank gallon size (& take into consideration the height of your tank) when deciding on your lights. but for fish only pc lighting is definitely fine. you could even have standar fluorescent lighting and be ok for fish only. --- wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: > It's 210 gallons, and I am going to start off with > fish only. When you > say that some coral need really intense light, are > you referring to > metal halides? Or, can I just get more powerful > flourescents? With the > size of this fixture and the price, I could probably > add another one > just like it if I need more light in the future, > right? > Thanks for your help! > Robbie > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16302	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired

I am having a canopy built for our aquarium. I have a few friends who are in the woodworking hobby and have offered to do it. I just need to know if there is anything I should ask them to pay extra attention to. I worry about mildew, how do I prevent it? Lighting, the ease of changing, how to mount? Evaporation, will a wooden canopy help or should I add something in addition to it? Any info is greatly appreciated. I want to get this right, the first time. =) Thanks, ~Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16303	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired

You will probably want a good marine finish on the inside of the hood. If you are going to build lighting into it, first research reflectors, fixtures, switches, and ballasts so they can be designed into the canopy. You'll also want it designed for easy access to the tank for mundane tasks such as feeding, water changes, etc. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Canopy Info Desired I am having a canopy built for our aquarium. I have a few friends who are in the woodworking hobby and have offered to do it. I just need to know if there is anything I should ask them to pay extra attention to. I worry about mildew, how do I prevent it? Lighting, the ease of changing, how to mount? Evaporation, will a wooden canopy help or should I add something in addition to it? Any info is greatly appreciated. I want to get this right, the first time. =) Thanks, ~Leslie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16304	From: harry perry	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired/L & D Moore

I would make a wooden hood out of marine plywood and seal it with wood preservative. I did this with the deck in my boat. It's still strong after 20 years. Harry Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: You will probably want a good marine finish on the inside of the hood. If you are going to build lighting into it, first research reflectors, fixtures, switches, and ballasts so they can be designed into the canopy. You'll also want it designed for easy access to the tank for mundane tasks such as feeding, water changes, etc. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:46 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Canopy Info Desired I am having a canopy built for our aquarium. I have a few friends who are in the woodworking hobby and have offered to do it. I just need to know if there is anything I should ask them to pay extra attention to. I worry about mildew, how do I prevent it? Lighting, the ease of changing, how to mount? Evaporation, will a wooden canopy help or should I add something in addition to it? Any info is greatly appreciated. I want to get this right, the first time. =) Thanks, ~Leslie Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16305	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lighting question

Metal halides also produce a lot of heat...which is something else you need to consider when choosing lights. You don;t want to boil your fish and plants ;-) Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valeen Gonzalez Sent: Friday, 13 January 2006 18:25 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Lighting question i did mean metal halides when i said more intense. but it's not a hard & fast rule that you have to get halides. my lighting is on the low end that's why i only have softies & lower light lps corals. i think softies do well with something around 3-4w/gallon or so. so you can calculate your tank gallon size (& take into consideration the height of your tank) when deciding on your lights. but for fish only pc lighting is definitely fine. you could even have standar fluorescent lighting and be ok for fish only. --- wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: > It's 210 gallons, and I am going to start off with > fish only. When you > say that some coral need really intense light, are > you referring to > metal halides? Or, can I just get more powerful > flourescents? With the > size of this fixture and the price, I could probably > add another one > just like it if I need more light in the future, > right? > Thanks for your help! > Robbie > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16306	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Fish Caught in Net

Twice when releasing netted fish into their new aquarium I have had a fish get a fin caught. The fish were able to wiggle their way loose after a few seconds. There is no visible damage to the fin. What can I do to prevent? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16307	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net

Possibly changing the size of the netting might eliminate that problem. If the net is fine (small mess), get one with a larger mesh. If your present net is too coarse where the ends of the fins are pushing through between the mesh, get a much finer net that will not allow this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16308	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net

OOPS! Sorry I made a "mess" of things -- should read "mesh". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16309	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Fish Caught in Net

Just use the net to maneuver the fish into another container, such as a plastic bag, plastic filter box, or glass jar. Any container will do if the transfer is "in house", but if the fish is being moved to another location, then the plastic bag may be best. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:56 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish Caught in Net Twice when releasing netted fish into their new aquarium I have had a fish get a fin caught. The fish were able to wiggle their way loose after a few seconds. There is no visible damage to the fin. What can I do to prevent?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16310	From: wantvws	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Aquarium Canopy Info Desired

Hi Leslie...I am also a woodworker, but a newbie to the aquarium world. I had planned on building a canopy for my tank, and my plan was to basicly make a big box that sat on the top frame out of whatever (oak, maple, walnut, cherry, etc). I was going to put panels that slid out on the front for feeding access, etc, and leave openings in the back for heaters, filters, etc. I was not going to put a top on it, but instead strips of evenly spaced wood (kinda like a pallet?) to allow ventilation but also give me a place to attach my light fixtures. I would imagine as long as there is some kind of sealer (polyurethane, marine varnish, gel varnish...), you don't have to worry about what kind of wood you use...it should be fine. You can also use moldings to dress it up a bit, so it does not look like a big box, but more like a piece of furniture. I've rambled enough. Robbie >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16311	From: John Hawley	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill Spirit

For increasing numbers of children they are as likely to see nature on their television or the Internet as in a natural setting. Yet, community parks such as Iowa's Dubuque Arboretum and Botanical Gardens have been especially nice for parents there seeking safe first-hand flora and fauna experiences for their children. Hand feeding the koi in the Japanese garden pond had been a popular activity until an equipment failure during the first week of 2006 resulted in the loss of over 300 of their watery pets. Jack Frick, an arboretum volunteer was interviewed by KCRG-TV9 where he confided that looking at the pond now is ''almost too much to bare'' as it is like ''staring at a grave-yard.'' No longer do clapping hands bring forth a school of friendly fish foraging for feed. The founder of the Japanese garden pond died in October. More hand wringing than clapping now occurs as arboretum staff tries to garner the technical and financial resources to restock and maintain the koi pond. Did the equipment failure alone cause the fish kill? Was the pond overstocked? Did the surface freezing over cause the calamity? Those are some of the questions Jackie Allsup, an Associated Koi Clubs of America, Koi Health Advisor living in Iowa is qualified to answer said KHA Program Director Spike Cover. Such expertise can be found throughout the country along with contact information for other regional experts at http://www.akca.org/kht/graduate.htm, according to Cover. The Dubuque Arboretum and Botanical Gardens is funded completely by donations and operated by volunteers. In that spirit of volunteerism a swell of public support rose from koi-keepers around the country after the news spread of the Dubuque disaster. Calls of support quickly rolled into the arboretum after stories from area media hit the Internet (a few reports: http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp? S=4326201&nav=1LFX; http://www.kcci.com/news/5887191/detail.html; http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20060106/NEWS08/60106004/1001/NEWS08) Message board forums came alive with the conversations of how to help. ''I emailed the Arboretum last night,'' wrote, Tony Quitoriano of the KOI-UNIT club in Northern California on the Koi-Bito Magazine forum. ''I would think the local club would be seeking to help since they live in that neck of the woods.... Anyway, if these guys need fish they need to setup a quarantine tank process for the fish they get and they need to winter these fish indoors then release the fish in spring....'' Allsup is also a member of the Eastern Iowa Pond Society that will host a club meeting in February that Frick will attend in part to assess and brainstorm over future plans for the Japanese garden pond. ''I already emailed the Dubuque Arboretum to let them know that we are more than willing to help them out by donating some koi for them to replenish the fish as requested,'' Dinh Nguyen of the Santa Clara Valley Koi & Watergarden Club wrote. ''It seems like we would like to know a little bit more in details to understand the cause that killed them. With a large pond frozen over surface without water pump for just several days, it's difficult to understand the oxygen is the guilty party to the loss of 300 koi?'' Allsup reported that there were also hundreds of sunfish occupying the pond that contributed to rapidly reducing required oxygen supplies after the pump failed. ''Many of us have had pumps go out, so this is something that could happen to any of us,'' Greg Bickal of Toddville, Iowa wrote (www.bickal.com). ''The Blank Park Zoo in Des Moines has a mud pond with some 500+ large koi and they keep a hole open with a large airstone. I think they would run into problems pretty fast if it quit also. Ponds here are covered in ice from Mid-late November to Mid March. That's at least 4 months. Water temp is below 50 for 6 months. Those are extreme conditions for koi to endure.'' As the freezes thaw, the warm hearted, congenial communications, and cooperation of these volunteers will no doubt blossom with Spring smiles of many Iowa children as they once more experience nature first hand at the Dubuque Arboretum and Botanical Garden Japanese style koi pond. http://www.koicluboftheair.org

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16312	From: Karen	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Water purification/Thanks for the input

Hello, I would like to know if ultra violet units, in a properly cycling tank, are useful? I have been checking into RO units and I can get a "bare bones" for about the same price as the uv. Or should you have both? I found the BioSpira and thanks for the suggestion. I am slowly but surely getting everything together to get this tank set up. I'm still trying to find a source for the coral base rock that won't cost me an arm and a knee to buy. Of course I always think I have to have everything but I want to have these fish for as long as possible so want to make it as "fish friendly" as possible. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16313	From: Andreas	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Water purification/Thanks for the input

I sa RO is more important, UV will keep down some algae and kill some bad organisms. ro controls algael by reducing nutrients left over in the water. you should add back some RO right to add back some hardness, or you water will be very soft and very volatile (due to low buffering) Andreas On 1/14/06, Karen <retroyello@...> wrote: > > Hello, I would like to know if ultra violet units, in a properly > cycling tank, are useful? I have been checking into RO units and I > can get a "bare bones" for about the same price as the uv. Or should > you have both? I found the BioSpira and thanks for the suggestion. I > am slowly but surely getting everything together to get this tank set > up. I'm still trying to find a source for the coral base rock that > won't cost me an arm and a knee to buy. Of course I always think I > have to have everything but I want to have these fish for as long as > possible so want to make it as "fish friendly" as possible. Karen > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "AquaticLife<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16314	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Water purification/Thanks for the input

UV units are generally used for algae control and also can be used to help kill some spores and bacteria. I really do not see them as useful in home freshwater aquaria, and they are generally used in ponds, mostly for algal control. They will not remove harmful r excessive molecules from the water as RO filtration does. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:09 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Water purification/Thanks for the input Hello, I would like to know if ultra violet units, in a properly cycling tank, are useful? I have been checking into RO units and I can get a "bare bones" for about the same price as the uv. Or should you have both? I found the BioSpira and thanks for the suggestion. I am slowly but surely getting everything together to get this tank set up. I'm still trying to find a source for the coral base rock that won't cost me an arm and a knee to buy. Of course I always think I have to have everything but I want to have these fish for as long as possible so want to make it as "fish friendly" as possible. Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16315	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill Spiri

John, That really is terribly sad news. It appears that possibly several factors could have contributed to this calamity, I guess we won't know yet for sure if it were overcrowding without first knowing how large the pond is. Generally, what often happens in a fish kill when a pond completely freezes over is not so much a lack of oxygen but a build up of noxious gases (hydrogen and methane) from decaying matter, such as rotting plant matter and/or excess food on the bottom, which poisons the fish. It does puzzle me as to why the fish were still being fed in such cold water that would freeze over with the lack of turbulance from a pump, even if they were being fed more easily digestable foods such as wheat germ. In water that cold, Koi should not be fed as, if they do eat at those extreme temperatures (most times they won't), the food will only rot in their stomachs. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16316	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Kill at Arboretum Won’t Chill

This is so sad to hear. I will agree with Ray in that it was most likely the noxious gasses being trapped by the ice that caused their death. What really puzzles me though, is with so many valuable Koi, why didn't they have someone who at least knew about wintering ponds? I mean they just stood and watched the ice covered pond, for days, even after they got the pump going again. Why didn't someone break a hole in the ice right away !? It really leaves me feeling quite angry. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: sevenspringss@... John, That really is terribly sad news. It appears that possibly several factors could have contributed to this calamity, I guess we won't know yet for sure if it were overcrowding without first knowing how large the pond is. Generally, what often happens in a fish kill when a pond completely freezes over is not so much a lack of oxygen but a build up of noxious gases (hydrogen and methane) from decaying matter, such as rotting plant matter and/or excess food on the bottom, which poisons the fish. It does puzzle me as to why the fish were still being fed in such cold water that would freeze over with the lack of turbulance from a pump, even if they were being fed more easily digestable foods such as wheat germ. In water that cold, Koi should not be fed as, if they do eat at those extreme temperatures (most times they won't), the food will only rot in their stomachs. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16317	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Ki ll at Arboretum Won’t Chill

Diane, I know exactly what you're saying and agree with you 100%, but for those out there with ponds (that might freeze over), I'd just like to add that a hole in the ice should never be "broken" (unless its really thin), as the concussion can kill the fish. Best to keep pouring boiling water in one spot to melt a hole, if it becomes frozen over. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16318	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Winter Fish Ki ll at Arboretum Wonââ,¬â"¢t

Excellent point Ray, and I should have mentioned that in my post. I will say though that in my early ponding days I had used a hammer to break ice (I was in a panic when I discovered that the floating styrefoam had frozen solid while we were away for Christmas) with no harm done to the fish, so I'm not sure how much of a concussion they can handle but it's risky and shouldn't be done. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: sevenspringss@... Diane, I know exactly what you're saying and agree with you 100%, but for those out there with ponds (that might freeze over), I'd just like to add that a hole in the ice should never be "broken" (unless its really thin), as the concussion can kill the fish. Best to keep pouring boiling water in one spot to melt a hole, if it becomes frozen over. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16319	From: harry perry	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.

A submersible pump would keep the water "open". Harry DiOhio <diohio@...> wrote: Excellent point Ray, and I should have mentioned that in my post. I will say though that in my early ponding days I had used a hammer to break ice (I was in a panic when I discovered that the floating styrefoam had frozen solid while we were away for Christmas) with no harm done to the fish, so I'm not sure how much of a concussion they can handle but it's risky and shouldn't be done. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: sevenspringss@... Diane, I know exactly what you're saying and agree with you 100%, but for those out there with ponds (that might freeze over), I'd just like to add that a hole in the ice should never be "broken" (unless its really thin), as the concussion can kill the fish. Best to keep pouring boiling water in one spot to melt a hole, if it becomes frozen over. Ray Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16320	From: DiOhio	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.

That's what I use now with no problems at all but I had to learn the hard way. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: harry perry A submersible pump would keep the water "open". Harry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16321	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Winter Fish Ki ll /frozen ponds.

Harry, Definitely, but in the case of the original post, the pump failed, as you may have read. This is what started their die out, when their pond then froze over. A large airstone (With large air pump -- Alita, for example) will also do the same thing. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16322	From: tydrake	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: URGENT

I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16323	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

How far is the move? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16324	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Use BioSpira to cycle the tank. You can add your fish within 24 hours of adding the BioSpira. And, someone has asked about the length of the move, it's too far...I personally would find the fish family members a new loving home and start over once settled. Or, you could have someone ship them to you once you get the tank set up. Just a thought. Leslie Have kids stuff? Need kids stuff? Zainy Zebra Consignment! www.ZainyZebra.com Cabot Garage Sale: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotgarageSale/ Little Rock Garage Sale: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRgarageSale/ Cabot Freecycle: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freecycle_Cabot_Area/ -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tydrake Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] URGENT I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16325	From: scott johnston	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: small bottom feeders

hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16326	From: harry perry	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott

There aren't any. 5 gallons is too small for any fish. Harry scott johnston <scott_johnston75@...> wrote: hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16327	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Ty, Someone else already asked the distance you are going to move. This is an important part of the equation, because the distance and time of the move will dictate how you do the move, and what will need to be done at the other end. A short move probably means you can save the need to cycle the tank again. A longer move may mean you would need a period of adjustment for the cycle to restart, and a very long move may mean it is better to find a new local home for the fish, though it is possible to move cross country with fish (and I know people who have done it). \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tydrake Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] URGENT I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16328	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

I see you are in Australia the au on end of email address. With you being in the middle of summer now will also have a role to play on how you are going to move the tank and fish. What is the forcast for the move, and how long is the move? can you setup a temp Container at the end of the move to place the fish in. 5 gallon Tote or something? Your water Now and the water at the new location will probally be diffrent. Diffrent hardness, diffrent Ph... etc might want to check these before hand. more info is needed for us to help you :-) What kind of cichlids and How big ? Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/15/2006 7:40:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: > > I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my > tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have > to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also > am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will > not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle > will have to start again!? > > I need advice! > Please help > email l- lordsion@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16329	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders

Scott, More information is needed. What do you already have in the tank? A five gallon tank is a small tank and will not support many fish at all. It is also a high maintenance tank, again because it is small. Also, you will not have a bottom feeder and an algae eater all rolled up into one. Since you are going to be doing frequent maintenance, you probably would find a bottom feeder of more interest. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott johnston Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] small bottom feeders hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16330	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Ty, Much of your moving depends on how far you are moving. How long is the travel time? As for the fish if it is a one day drive away you can put them in a bucket with holes in the lids. Of course that depends on how big the cichlids are and how territorial. You may need one bucket per fish. You could or should bring some treated water from home if you are travelling by car. And get some dechlorinator/ chloramine remover, you are going to need it at the new place anyway. Depending on how long you are travelling you could also look into a battery powered air pump. Or skip the buckets and get the appropriate sized bags from your local fish store. Double bag them. Big bags, more water more oxygen. Either way you should consider NOT feeding them a few (3-4) DAYS before you travel. Shippers do this all the time and a healthy fish will be just fine. Reason to stop feeding is to cut down on ammonia from their waste. As far as starting a new cycle it depends on what filter you are using and again how far is the move. Many times you can keep the filter media wet and much of the bacteria will stay alive. I did that the last three times I moved but they were only half day moves. If you are using a moving van or shipping company you might try packing the tank on a small wooden pallet and surround the tank with thick styrofoam sheeting. Clearly mark it as FRAGILE GLASS INSIDE! DO NOT TOP STACK!, or words to that effect. If you move it yourself you can omit the note :) I pack blankets and mattresses around a tank when I am moving my own stuff. AS others have mentioned you can always have the fish shipped to you by a local fish store or a friend perhaps. When you get them to their new home the local water may be very different from where you did live so take a good while getting them acclimated. Good luck. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 4:40:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16331	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott

What do you want to keep in your 5 gallon tank? You could get a snail. Research snails before you get one though. Some can take over any size tank. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 6:06:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, harryfisherman@... writes: There aren't any. 5 gallons is too small for any fish. Harry scott johnston <scott_johnston75@...> wrote: hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16332	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders/Scott

yes and not only take over, ravvage your beuaitufl plants as they did mine. I purchased some mystery snails and they recked havoc on my lovely plants, they were not suppose to eat plants, but I found that not to be true. He can also get a pygmy catfish which is very small, smaller than a beta. Actually any small corydoras will do. I have endlers in my 6 gallon and they are doing very very well. Ivan aqua-hobbyist@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Deenerz@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] small bottom feeders/Scott What do you want to keep in your 5 gallon tank? You could get a snail. Research snails before you get one though. Some can take over any size tank. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 6:06:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, harryfisherman@... writes: There aren't any. 5 gallons is too small for any fish. Harry scott johnston <scott_johnston75@...> wrote: hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16333	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

You need to bring half the water too. I moved 8 hours with my 50 gallon and none died. I kept half the water and had the fish store pack them individually in bags. It worked! The tank was the first thing I set up when we got to our new house Good luck! Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deenerz@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <lordsion@...> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT Ty, Much of your moving depends on how far you are moving. How long is the travel time? As for the fish if it is a one day drive away you can put them in a bucket with holes in the lids. Of course that depends on how big the cichlids are and how territorial. You may need one bucket per fish. You could or should bring some treated water from home if you are travelling by car. And get some dechlorinator/ chloramine remover, you are going to need it at the new place anyway. Depending on how long you are travelling you could also look into a battery powered air pump. Or skip the buckets and get the appropriate sized bags from your local fish store. Double bag them. Big bags, more water more oxygen. Either way you should consider NOT feeding them a few (3-4) DAYS before you travel. Shippers do this all the time and a healthy fish will be just fine. Reason to stop feeding is to cut down on ammonia from their waste. As far as starting a new cycle it depends on what filter you are using and again how far is the move. Many times you can keep the filter media wet and much of the bacteria will stay alive. I did that the last three times I moved but they were only half day moves. If you are using a moving van or shipping company you might try packing the tank on a small wooden pallet and surround the tank with thick styrofoam sheeting. Clearly mark it as FRAGILE GLASS INSIDE! DO NOT TOP STACK!, or words to that effect. If you move it yourself you can omit the note :) I pack blankets and mattresses around a tank when I am moving my own stuff. AS others have mentioned you can always have the fish shipped to you by a local fish store or a friend perhaps. When you get them to their new home the local water may be very different from where you did live so take a good while getting them acclimated. Good luck. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 4:40:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16334	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

i will be late http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred and Cynthia" <fcouellet@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT > You need to bring half the water too. I moved 8 hours with my 50 gallon > and > none died. I kept half the water and had the fish store pack them > individually in bags. It worked! The tank was the first thing I set up > when we got to our new house > > Good luck! > > Cynthia > > > http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Deenerz@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <lordsion@...> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:21 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT > > > > Ty, > > Much of your moving depends on how far you are moving. > How long is the travel time? > > As for the fish if it is a one day drive away you can put them in a bucket > with holes in the lids. Of course that depends on how big the cichlids > are > and how territorial. You may need one bucket per fish. You could or > should > bring some treated water from home if you are travelling by car. And get > some > dechlorinator/ chloramine remover, you are going to need it at the new > place > anyway. Depending on how long you are travelling you could also look > into > a battery powered air pump. > > Or skip the buckets and get the appropriate sized bags from your local > fish > store. Double bag them. Big bags, more water more oxygen. > > Either way you should consider NOT feeding them a few (3-4) DAYS before > you > travel. Shippers do this all the time and a healthy fish will be just > fine. > Reason to stop feeding is to cut down on ammonia from their waste. > > > As far as starting a new cycle it depends on what filter you are using and > again how far is the move. Many times you can keep the filter media wet > and > much of the bacteria will stay alive. > I did that the last three times I moved but they were only half day > moves. > > If you are using a moving van or shipping company you might try packing > the > tank on a small wooden pallet and surround the tank with thick styrofoam > sheeting. Clearly mark it as FRAGILE GLASS INSIDE! DO NOT TOP STACK!, > or > words to that effect. If you move it yourself you can omit the note :) > I > pack > blankets and mattresses around a tank when I am moving my own stuff. > > AS others have mentioned you can always have the fish shipped to you by a > local fish store or a friend perhaps. > > When you get them to their new home the local water may be very different > from where you did live so take a good while getting them acclimated. > Good luck. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 1/15/2006 4:40:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lordsion@... writes: > > I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my > tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. > I > have > to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I > also > am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank > will > not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia > cycle > will have to start again!? > > I need advice! > Please help > email l- lordsion@... > Ty, > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16335	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16336	From: Kevin	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders

Ghost shrimp make excellent scavengers, and they stay small. Snails are good too, but they reproduce rapidly, so you have to be diligent about removing excess snails. The best snail for this is the Malaysian Livebearing Snail (Trumpet Snail), as they stay small, don't eat live plants, and spend daylight hours crawling through the gravel eating detritus. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "scott johnston" <scott_johnston75@y...> wrote: > > hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to > help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort > that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 > gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16337	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

I am problem moving half an hour away. But it will properly be 2 hours before I have a chance to set up the tank again from when I last pulled it apart to get ready to move. and I am moving in a local area to where I already live so the water should be OK. I have a canister external filter that is very big it takes 18oo litres of water an hour and it is well set up in the terms of bacteria so I will leave some water in the canister and just put the lid on and hope that it doesn't tip over. So when I set up the tank any recommendations on how I should go about it? because it will not be biological set up. I will try to bring as much water from the tank to the new house as I can. Last time I moved I didn't have the canister and just set up the tank with tap water and treated it because I wasn't able to bring about 200 litres of water from the tank to the present house so I learnt the hard way and about half of may fish died, but they where community fish back then and where small. I Will have to move the tank (4 ft Approx and higher than normal : thick glass) and my glass heater, 20 Kilograms of rocks and glass lids, ornaments ( large wood piece) fish of course and filter alongside chemicals and other nick knacks but I will just put most of it in a box. Thanks for the reply's so far! From: Fred and Cynthia To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT You need to bring half the water too. I moved 8 hours with my 50 gallon and none died. I kept half the water and had the fish store pack them individually in bags. It worked! The tank was the first thing I set up when we got to our new house Good luck! Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deenerz@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <lordsion@...> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT Ty, Much of your moving depends on how far you are moving. How long is the travel time? As for the fish if it is a one day drive away you can put them in a bucket with holes in the lids. Of course that depends on how big the cichlids are and how territorial. You may need one bucket per fish. You could or should bring some treated water from home if you are travelling by car. And get some dechlorinator/ chloramine remover, you are going to need it at the new place anyway. Depending on how long you are travelling you could also look into a battery powered air pump. Or skip the buckets and get the appropriate sized bags from your local fish store. Double bag them. Big bags, more water more oxygen. Either way you should consider NOT feeding them a few (3-4) DAYS before you travel. Shippers do this all the time and a healthy fish will be just fine. Reason to stop feeding is to cut down on ammonia from their waste. As far as starting a new cycle it depends on what filter you are using and again how far is the move. Many times you can keep the filter media wet and much of the bacteria will stay alive. I did that the last three times I moved but they were only half day moves. If you are using a moving van or shipping company you might try packing the tank on a small wooden pallet and surround the tank with thick styrofoam sheeting. Clearly mark it as FRAGILE GLASS INSIDE! DO NOT TOP STACK!, or words to that effect. If you move it yourself you can omit the note :) I pack blankets and mattresses around a tank when I am moving my own stuff. AS others have mentioned you can always have the fish shipped to you by a local fish store or a friend perhaps. When you get them to their new home the local water may be very different from where you did live so take a good while getting them acclimated. Good luck. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 4:40:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16338	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Keep the gravel and filter pads wet and don't worry about the water. Only keep 5-10 gallons of the water at the most. Water has no real significant level of nitrospira bacteria living in it, they grow in the gravel and filter. If those two things stay wet, your tank will only have a minicyle. If they dry out, you will have a full 1-month cycle. I only said to keep 5 gallons because 1-2 gallon will keep the gravel and filter wet, while the rest will be enough to move the fish. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- I am problem moving half an hour away. But it will properly be 2 hours before I have a chance to set up the tank again from when I last pulled it apart to get ready to move. and I am moving in a local area to where I already live so the water should be OK. I have a canister external filter that is very big it takes 18oo litres of water an hour and it is well set up in the terms of bacteria so I will leave some water in the canister and just put the lid on and hope that it doesn't tip over. So when I set up the tank any recommendations on how I should go about it? because it will not be biological set up. I will try to bring as much water from the tank to the new house as I can. Last time I moved I didn't have the canister and just set up the tank with tap water and treated it because I wasn't able to bring about 200 litres of water from the tank to the present house so I learnt the hard way and about half of may fish died, but they where community fish back then and where small. I Will have to move the tank (4 ft Approx and higher than normal : thick glass) and my glass heater, 20 Kilograms of rocks and glass lids, ornaments ( large wood piece) fish of course and filter alongside chemicals and other nick knacks but I will just put most of it in a box. Thanks for the reply's so far!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16339	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Keep the gravel and filter pads wet and don't worry about the water. Only keep 20-40L of the water at the most. Water has no real significant level of nitrospira bacteria living in it, they grow in the gravel and filter. If those two things stay wet, your tank will only have a minicyle. If they dry out, you will have a full 1-month initial cycle. I only said to keep 5 gallons because 4-10L will keep the gravel and filter wet, while the rest will be enough to move the fish. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- I am problem moving half an hour away. But it will properly be 2 hours before I have a chance to set up the tank again from when I last pulled it apart to get ready to move. and I am moving in a local area to where I already live so the water should be OK. I have a canister external filter that is very big it takes 18oo litres of water an hour and it is well set up in the terms of bacteria so I will leave some water in the canister and just put the lid on and hope that it doesn't tip over. So when I set up the tank any recommendations on how I should go about it? because it will not be biological set up. I will try to bring as much water from the tank to the new house as I can. Last time I moved I didn't have the canister and just set up the tank with tap water and treated it because I wasn't able to bring about 200 litres of water from the tank to the present house so I learnt the hard way and about half of may fish died, but they where community fish back then and where small. I Will have to move the tank (4 ft Approx and higher than normal : thick glass) and my glass heater, 20 Kilograms of rocks and glass lids, ornaments ( large wood piece) fish of course and filter alongside chemicals and other nick knacks but I will just put most of it in a box. Thanks for the reply's so far!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16340	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Keep the gravel and filter pads wet and don't worry about the water. Only keep 20-40L of the water at the most. Water has no real significant level of nitrospira bacteria living in it, they grow in the gravel and filter. If those two things stay wet, your tank will only have a minicyle. If they dry out, you will have a full 1-month initial cycle. I only said to keep 5 gallons because 4-10L will keep the gravel and filter wet, while the rest will be enough to move the fish. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- I am problem moving half an hour away. But it will properly be 2 hours before I have a chance to set up the tank again from when I last pulled it apart to get ready to move. and I am moving in a local area to where I already live so the water should be OK. I have a canister external filter that is very big it takes 18oo litres of water an hour and it is well set up in the terms of bacteria so I will leave some water in the canister and just put the lid on and hope that it doesn't tip over. So when I set up the tank any recommendations on how I should go about it? because it will not be biological set up. I will try to bring as much water from the tank to the new house as I can. Last time I moved I didn't have the canister and just set up the tank with tap water and treated it because I wasn't able to bring about 200 litres of water from the tank to the present house so I learnt the hard way and about half of may fish died, but they where community fish back then and where small. I Will have to move the tank (4 ft Approx and higher than normal : thick glass) and my glass heater, 20 Kilograms of rocks and glass lids, ornaments ( large wood piece) fish of course and filter alongside chemicals and other nick knacks but I will just put most of it in a box. Thanks for the reply's so far!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16341	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: URGENT

Hi FortWayneFish@... the cichlids are about 6 cm in length each and I have three of them. I am moving about half an hour away to about one hour away. the temperature will be properly about 25 - 30 degrees C on the day but I am unsure because we move on the weekend in about 2 and a half weeks from now. The tank holds about 200 litres. I have a external biological filter that puts 1800 litres an hour in and out of it. In terms of bacteria it is established well. From the time I set the tank up to get ready to move: removing water ect: and from the time I set it up again it will properly be 2 hours before it is set up properly with the fish. I live on the east coast in New South Wales about half way from Sydney to the border going into Queensland. I live near the beach (Practically ever one does it is to hot inland )and where I am moving will be the same so there is always a cool breeze so I think the fish will not get to hot in their bags. but I am also thinking of putting them in a bucket? since the area will move to is still local I expect the water quality to be the same. Any advice? Bye Ty, From: FortWayneFish@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT I see you are in Australia the au on end of email address. With you being in the middle of summer now will also have a role to play on how you are going to move the tank and fish. What is the forcast for the move, and how long is the move? can you setup a temp Container at the end of the move to place the fish in. 5 gallon Tote or something? Your water Now and the water at the new location will probally be diffrent. Diffrent hardness, diffrent Ph... etc might want to check these before hand. more info is needed for us to help you :-) What kind of cichlids and How big ? Robert Renfro NE Indiana http://midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 1/15/2006 7:40:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: > > I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my > tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have > to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also > am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will > not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle > will have to start again!? > > I need advice! > Please help > email l- lordsion@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16342	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

I live about half an hour away from where I am moving. Thanks for the reply! ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie & Dane Moore To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] URGENT Use BioSpira to cycle the tank. You can add your fish within 24 hours of adding the BioSpira. And, someone has asked about the length of the move, it's too far...I personally would find the fish family members a new loving home and start over once settled. Or, you could have someone ship them to you once you get the tank set up. Just a thought. Leslie Have kids stuff? Need kids stuff? Zainy Zebra Consignment! www.ZainyZebra.com Cabot Garage Sale: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotgarageSale/ Little Rock Garage Sale: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRgarageSale/ Cabot Freecycle: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freecycle_Cabot_Area/ -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tydrake Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] URGENT I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16343	From: tydrake	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

About half an hour away. Thanks fro the reply! ----- Original Message ----- From: seleya8@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT How far is the move? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16344	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

Emily, what country,city etc do you live in? Cyd Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16345	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

Emily, what country,city etc do you live in? Cyd Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16346	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

Sorry, I did not notice the title line saying Minneapolis. Wish I could get some of your wonderful guppies, but I reside in Washington State. Emily, what country,city etc do you live in? Cyd Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16347	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders

i have some tiny panda cories that clean the bottom of my tank. i think, but could be wrong, that they stay small enough to live their lives in a 5 gallon. scott johnston <scott_johnston75@...> wrote: hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16348	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Ty, With a half hour move, and maybe 4 hours total before the tank is set up again, you are not in bad shape. As has already been mentioned, keep the gravel wet and water in your canister filter, and you should not need to worry about a cycle when the tank is set up again. You might want to cover the gravel with some plastic to help retain the moisture. Your bucket idea may work well, but be sure the bucket(s) are covered so the fish don't make a suicide move as you are on your way to the new location (Well, you see, officer, the fish jumped out of the bucket and I reached to catch it, and . . ."). Add a small piece of polyfilter, or a squirt or so of Amquel or your favorite ammonia negator to help control the ammonia in the relatively small amount of water the fish will be in. Also, stop feeding the fish a few days before the move, which will also reduce ammonia production from the fish and the fish will be better off for it. About your moving the water, remember that water weighs 8.4 pounds per gallon US, and it seems like you have about 50 gallons of it to move, so you are looking at 2 containers, at minimum, to move the water itself. So long as the pH and hardness of the water are close to what you have at your current location. It will be no worse than bringing the fish home from the store. When you get to your new place, and are ready to set up again, be sure the stand is level prior to placing the tank on it. Set up all the equipment and add the water. If you brought the water with you, you are OK. If you are adding it out of the tap, run both hot and cold water to reach the ambient temperature so you do not need to wait for the water to warm--add your water conditioner, and test the water. Start your filter. If everything looks alright, take the fish out and add them to the tank. Dispose of the water they were in. Keep a close eye on things for the next few days. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tydrake Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:23 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT I am problem moving half an hour away. But it will properly be 2 hours before I have a chance to set up the tank again from when I last pulled it apart to get ready to move. and I am moving in a local area to where I already live so the water should be OK. I have a canister external filter that is very big it takes 18oo litres of water an hour and it is well set up in the terms of bacteria so I will leave some water in the canister and just put the lid on and hope that it doesn't tip over. So when I set up the tank any recommendations on how I should go about it? because it will not be biological set up. I will try to bring as much water from the tank to the new house as I can. Last time I moved I didn't have the canister and just set up the tank with tap water and treated it because I wasn't able to bring about 200 litres of water from the tank to the present house so I learnt the hard way and about half of may fish died, but they where community fish back then and where small. I Will have to move the tank (4 ft Approx and higher than normal : thick glass) and my glass heater, 20 Kilograms of rocks and glass lids, ornaments ( large wood piece) fish of course and filter alongside chemicals and other nick knacks but I will just put most of it in a box. Thanks for the reply's so far! From: Fred and Cynthia To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT You need to bring half the water too. I moved 8 hours with my 50 gallon and none died. I kept half the water and had the fish store pack them individually in bags. It worked! The tank was the first thing I set up when we got to our new house Good luck! Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=ba g ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deenerz@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <lordsion@...> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT Ty, Much of your moving depends on how far you are moving. How long is the travel time? As for the fish if it is a one day drive away you can put them in a bucket with holes in the lids. Of course that depends on how big the cichlids are and how territorial. You may need one bucket per fish. You could or should bring some treated water from home if you are travelling by car. And get some dechlorinator/ chloramine remover, you are going to need it at the new place anyway. Depending on how long you are travelling you could also look into a battery powered air pump. Or skip the buckets and get the appropriate sized bags from your local fish store. Double bag them. Big bags, more water more oxygen. Either way you should consider NOT feeding them a few (3-4) DAYS before you travel. Shippers do this all the time and a healthy fish will be just fine. Reason to stop feeding is to cut down on ammonia from their waste. As far as starting a new cycle it depends on what filter you are using and again how far is the move. Many times you can keep the filter media wet and much of the bacteria will stay alive. I did that the last three times I moved but they were only half day moves. If you are using a moving van or shipping company you might try packing the tank on a small wooden pallet and surround the tank with thick styrofoam sheeting. Clearly mark it as FRAGILE GLASS INSIDE! DO NOT TOP STACK!, or words to that effect. If you move it yourself you can omit the note :) I pack blankets and mattresses around a tank when I am moving my own stuff. AS others have mentioned you can always have the fish shipped to you by a local fish store or a friend perhaps. When you get them to their new home the local water may be very different from where you did live so take a good while getting them acclimated. Good luck. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2006 4:40:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, lordsion@... writes: I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16349	From: Patrick	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: puffer problems

Puff Fishy is having some problems. She stays head-down in the gravel a lot. Sometimes she comes up and swims around, and she eats well, but then she goes back to the gravel. The water has been in the low 70's the last few days because the heater hasn't been working right. It started about the same time. Now it is warm again, but no change. Any ideas? I have been doing weekly water changes, and there are empty snail shells everywhere, so he has been eating that plus shrimp last night and bloodworms the night before. Any ideas? Patrick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16350	From: Cydne	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Water fleas or Daphnia?

Hey everybody! Got a mystery here. My power went out for about 12 hours on New Year's Day. About three days later, I noticed I have a brood/batch/group(whatever you want to call it)of teensy critters, bugs or insects, they are so tiny I can't tell which. I thought maybe they could be Daphnia, but when I did some research, it did not describe their behavior as the same as what these little critters do. What these little bugs are doing is pretty much staying on top of my water sprites and enjoying my lights, jumping around just like fleas, skating across the top of the water, so tiny they don't even break the water tension. My fish seem to check them out every once in awhile, but I don't think the fish consider them food. I suspect that some type of insect egg in their flake food hatched during the non- filtering of my tank for that 12 hour period, what do you guys think? Cyd

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16351	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build an

Hello, My aproximately 20 gallons tank (70 liters) measures 70 cm X 35 cm X 35 cm. As I have no experience in Aquarium building the whole job was done by a local aquarium builder, he opted to choose 6 mm Glassplates. Is this OK, or is it rather exagerated? My childhood dream always was to have an Aquarium that is rather broad, instead of being high, or being elongated. So the Aquarium of my dreams might measure, perhaps, some 120 cm length, 90 cm depth, and only 35 cm Height. What Glassplates would be necessary to construct such a broad, but flat dream aquarium? (In this Aquarium I would put a lot of very few, fast growing water plant species, preferrably Elodea and Ceratophyllum, and wasn´t there Riccia as well? And only one single livebearer species, either Gambusia affinis [If residence in any country where this species is already introduced] or Poecilia reticulata [If residence in any country where this species is already introduced or unlikely to be introduced], for instance) But the focus of this question are the glassplates. How can I know their ideal or necessary thickness? best wishes from Brazil, Thomas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16352	From: tydrake	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Weird parasite

Hi, I sometimes notice weird small long white worm things in my tank? They are extremely thin: a millimetre thin by 2 centimetre long perhaps, and they never seem to go away even when I cleaned out the tank and added parasite killer in it any idea? My fish also seem to suddenly speed all-around the tank and shaking there fins as if there is something inside there fins bothering them any idea? And one certain fish seems to stay on the bottom of the tank just lying there all-day, I've noticed it fins are starting to go brown? By the way it is not dead - LOL. Any ideas, Ty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16353	From: Tiger	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Hi

Hi, I sometimes notice weird small long white worm things in my tank? They are extremely thin: a millimetre thin by 2 centimetre long perhaps, and they never seem to go away even when I cleaned out the tank and added parasite killer in it any idea? My fish also seem to suddenly speed all-around the tank and shaking there fins as if there is something inside there fins bothering them any idea? And one certain fish seems to stay on the bottom of the tank just lying there all-day, I've noticed it fins are starting to go brown? By the way it is not dead - LOL. Any ideas, Ty lordsion@... http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16354	From: Tiger	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: thank you

Hi Thanks for the help and advice for when i move, i will use the infomation wisely, Thanks, Ty lordsion@... http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/happycomputers

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16355	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Inside Filter 4 W, 500 liters per hour, Altmann, if I recall it

if it only uses 4 watts, assuming 120 volts. a.c., it can't be contributing any more than a tiny amount of heat, not enough to make a difference in any tank. -----

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16356	From: historyfan92	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Red Ludwigia

Hello I just joined this group. I have a question about plastic aquarium plants. I have a 10 gallon aquarium with all green plastic plants but want to add some color. There is a plastic plant called 'red ludwigia' I would like to get as it is colorful. Does this plant exist in nature or based on a live aquarium plant? I want my tank to be as natural-looking as possible. Jon

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16357	From: Steve Sears	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders

Sure you could have both rolled into one, go with shrimp. Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16358	From: ljns27	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Wanted: Breeders or Infor on the Christmas Fulu

Hello all. I am looking for information on the Christmas Fulu also known as the Haplochromis (Xystichromis) Phytophagus. I would like to find a private breeder of them. I have one male, and I nedd a few of the females to start breeding my own. I know some things of the Christmas Fulu, although I find the info from other breeders to be more accurate than the research I can find readily available to me. Any help I would appreciate it. Thanks. LJNS27

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16359	From: mur57891@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: New Member

Hello I just joined or became a member of the Aquatic Life yahoo group. How can I start posting messages to the Internet group site? Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16360	From: flecker69	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: oscars

Anyone aquainted with the breathing habbits of these carnivores{oscars} please send info..........

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16361	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Weird parasite

You need to do more water changes. I had this in my five gallon so I started to do them weekly and they are gone now. Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: "tydrake" <lordsion@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Weird parasite Hi, I sometimes notice weird small long white worm things in my tank? They are extremely thin: a millimetre thin by 2 centimetre long perhaps, and they never seem to go away even when I cleaned out the tank and added parasite killer in it any idea? My fish also seem to suddenly speed all-around the tank and shaking there fins as if there is something inside there fins bothering them any idea? And one certain fish seems to stay on the bottom of the tank just lying there all-day, I've noticed it fins are starting to go brown? By the way it is not dead - LOL. Any ideas, Ty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16362	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

Not the best time for shipping either :) Emily Cydne McCown <cydthekid50@...> wrote: Sorry, I did not notice the title line saying Minneapolis. Wish I could get some of your wonderful guppies, but I reside in Washington State. Emily, what country,city etc do you live in? Cyd Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16363	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

alright, start saving lots of gallon water bottles and get some 5 gal. buckets. Save as much of the water as possible. If possible, drain the water but don't remove the substrate. Put the fish in a bucket during the move. When you set up the tank again, replace the water that you saved. Turn on the filters, and let the water clear before adding the fish. If you have to remove the substrate, don't rinse it or throw it away. Using the same substrate and water will conserve the bacteria. Don't feed for a day or too if you notice ammonia or nitrite spikes. Emily tydrake <lordsion@...> wrote: I am moving in two weeks and really really need advice on how to move my tank? It contains three large cichlids and is a 4 foot thick glass tank. I have to move it along with everything else to our new house. any advice!!!! I also am worried on where to put my fish when we get there because the tank will not be instantly set up!! and will they die because the six week ammonia cycle will have to start again!? I need advice! Please help email l- lordsion@... Ty, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16364	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Wanted: Breeders or Infor on the Christmas Fulu

Hello LJNS27 Check Mainly Cichlids/Jim Ellenberger. http://www.mainlycichlids.com/Fish_List.html He has some in stock right. Not sure if he bred this batch but he does breed Victorians. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ljns27 <ljns27@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:35:29 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] Wanted: Breeders or Infor on the Christmas Fulu Hello all. I am looking for information on the Christmas Fulu also known as the Haplochromis (Xystichromis) Phytophagus. I would like to find a private breeder of them. I have one male, and I nedd a few of the females to start breeding my own. I know some things of the Christmas Fulu, although I find the info from other breeders to be more accurate than the research I can find readily available to me. Any help I would appreciate it. Thanks. LJNS27 Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16365	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build

Thomas, Try Garf.org They have a tank building calculator that lets you make calculations for all glass tanks, all acrylic tanks, or tanks made of wood and glass, or acrylic and wood. You will have to convert to inches and then back to centimeters. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:52:14 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build an aquarium Hello, My aproximately 20 gallons tank (70 liters) measures 70 cm X 35 cm X 35 cm. As I have no experience in Aquarium building the whole job was done by a local aquarium builder, he opted to choose 6 mm Glassplates. Is this OK, or is it rather exagerated? My childhood dream always was to have an Aquarium that is rather broad, instead of being high, or being elongated. So the Aquarium of my dreams might measure, perhaps, some 120 cm length, 90 cm depth, and only 35 cm Height. What Glassplates would be necessary to construct such a broad, but flat dream aquarium? (In this Aquarium I would put a lot of very few, fast growing water plant species, preferrably Elodea and Ceratophyllum, and wasn´t there Riccia as well? And only one single livebearer species, either Gambusia affinis [If residence in any country where this species is already introduced] or Poecilia reticulata [If residence in any country where this species is already introduced or unlikely to be introduced], for instance) But the focus of this question are the glassplates. How can I know their ideal or necessary thickness? best wishes from Brazil, Thomas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16366	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: New Member

You just did it Jon. Welcome. -----Original Message----- From: mur57891@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:33:56 EST Subject: [AquaticLife] New Member Hello I just joined or became a member of the Aquatic Life yahoo group. How can I start posting messages to the Internet group site? Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16367	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome to the club Jon, I hope you have fun here, this is a nice club. Ivan aqua-hobbyist@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Deenerz@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New Member You just did it Jon. Welcome. -----Original Message----- From: mur57891@... To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:33:56 EST Subject: [AquaticLife] New Member Hello I just joined or became a member of the Aquatic Life yahoo group. How can I start posting messages to the Internet group site? Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/232 - Release Date: 1/17/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16368	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in Minneapolis? Free guppies available for adoption!!

umm yes i live in enterprise,al Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Not the best time for shipping either :) Emily Cydne McCown <cydthekid50@...> wrote: Sorry, I did not notice the title line saying Minneapolis. Wish I could get some of your wonderful guppies, but I reside in Washington State. Emily, what country,city etc do you live in? Cyd Emily Tenczar <bababanana@...> wrote: Help!! A couple months ago I got some male guppies for my females, and what do you know, now I have a tank full of guppies! (Of course, I knew this would happen!) They are all wild type guppies. The males are beautiful and the females are most definitely breeders! I don't want to give them to a pet store because I know they will not be properly cared for. I prefer them to go to a home where they will be pets rather than feeders. I guess you could breed babies as feeders if you want. Anyway, if you are interested, please email me off list! They are from or decended from the guppies at a greenhouse pond, so if I don't hear back from anyone I will most likely return some of them to the pond. Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16369	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Okay, I'll bite. Stupid question here I guess. If you want a natural looking tank, why don't you get some live plants? Your fish will thank you. Cyd historyfan92 <mur57891@...> wrote: Hello I just joined this group. I have a question about plastic aquarium plants. I have a 10 gallon aquarium with all green plastic plants but want to add some color. There is a plastic plant called 'red ludwigia' I would like to get as it is colorful. Does this plant exist in nature or based on a live aquarium plant? I want my tank to be as natural-looking as possible. Jon Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16370	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Weird parasite

Sounds like you are describing glass worms to me, which are not parasitic. But the same conditions that allow them to appear in your tank could be causing problems with your fish. Cyd tydrake <lordsion@...> wrote: Hi, I sometimes notice weird small long white worm things in my tank? They are extremely thin: a millimetre thin by 2 centimetre long perhaps, and they never seem to go away even when I cleaned out the tank and added parasite killer in it any idea? My fish also seem to suddenly speed all-around the tank and shaking there fins as if there is something inside there fins bothering them any idea? And one certain fish seems to stay on the bottom of the tank just lying there all-day, I've noticed it fins are starting to go brown? By the way it is not dead - LOL. Any ideas, Ty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16371	From: Patrick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

What is going on with the strange obsession with saving the water? It has been explained several times why there is no need to save it all. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- alright, start saving lots of gallon water bottles and get some 5 gal. buckets. Save as much of the water as possible. If possible, drain the water but don't remove the substrate. Put the fish in a bucket during the move. When you set up the tank again, replace the water that you saved. Turn on the filters, and let the water clear before adding the fish. If you have to remove the substrate, don't rinse it or throw it away. Using the same substrate and water will conserve the bacteria. Don't feed for a day or too if you notice ammonia or nitrite spikes. Emily

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16372	From: red-eye	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

LOL... I second that. As for red ludwigia let goggle do the research :-) This is what I came up with http://tinyurl.com/eyv7m I also have this in my tank - not plastic but the rel thing. Fake plants I have found are good for on thing - recycling regards, red-eye At 07:16 PM 1/17/2006, you wrote: >Okay, I'll bite. Stupid question here I guess. If you want a natural >looking tank, why don't you get some live plants? Your fish will thank you. > Cyd > >historyfan92 <mur57891@...> wrote: > Hello I just joined this group. I have a question about plastic >aquarium plants. I have a 10 gallon aquarium with all green plastic >plants but want to add some color. There is a plastic plant >called 'red ludwigia' I would like to get as it is colorful. >Does this plant exist in nature or based on a live aquarium plant? I >want my tank to be as natural-looking as possible. > >Jon > > > > > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > >--------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16374	From: Patrick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Well, that was a waste of our group. You asked a question and got an answer with opinions. Then you decided to leave? Plastic plants are looked down upon by many aquarists because they contribute very little to the biological system. It would be much better to get real plants if you want a natural look. You just can't have plastic and natural in the same sentence. But again, that is our opinion. You should give people a chance. Eventually, somebody would probably come along and defend you and we could all agree to disagree and you could go buy one of those plastic plants and have fun. But instead I am here telling you, who has probably already left the group, that our opinions of plastic plants are no reason to go and leave the group. You never know, somebody that likes plastic might be inspired to come out and admit it to the group because of you, but not if you leave the group. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Wow what a way to welcome a new member. Looks like some ignorant souls here. Time to unsubscribe to this useless group.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16376	From: Fred and Cynthia	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: URGENT

Probably because we are all different! :) I found saving the water was important because the water here is totally different and I would have stressed them right out. I kept half and used half of the new and it worked well for me! Cynthia http://babyitems.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=bag ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrickmn@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] URGENT What is going on with the strange obsession with saving the water? It has been explained several times why there is no need to save it all. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- alright, start saving lots of gallon water bottles and get some 5 gal. buckets. Save as much of the water as possible. If possible, drain the water but don't remove the substrate. Put the fish in a bucket during the move. When you set up the tank again, replace the water that you saved. Turn on the filters, and let the water clear before adding the fish. If you have to remove the substrate, don't rinse it or throw it away. Using the same substrate and water will conserve the bacteria. Don't feed for a day or too if you notice ammonia or nitrite spikes. Emily Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16377	From: Amalthea X	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Honestly, new people shouldn't have to wait around to be defended. That's ridiculous. Maybe you could have given the pros and cons of each and explained them a bit, including care of the live plant instead of just mocking them. This group is supposed to help people to help their fish. Not make fun of them for their ignorance, particularly when they've come here as a cure for that ignorance. Amalthea On Jan 18, 2006, at 1:16 AM, Patrick wrote: > Well, that was a waste of our group. You asked a question and got > an answer > with opinions. Then you decided to leave? Plastic plants are > looked down > upon by many aquarists because they contribute very little to the > biological > system. It would be much better to get real plants if you want a > natural > look. You just can't have plastic and natural in the same > sentence. But > again, that is our opinion. You should give people a chance. > Eventually, > somebody would probably come along and defend you and we could all > agree to > disagree and you could go buy one of those plastic plants and have > fun. But > instead I am here telling you, who has probably already left the > group, that > our opinions of plastic plants are no reason to go and leave the > group. You > never know, somebody that likes plastic might be inspired to come > out and > admit it to the group because of you, but not if you leave the > group. :) > > Patrick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Wow what a way to welcome a new member. Looks like some ignorant > souls > here. Time to unsubscribe to this useless group. > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old > subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><· > ´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area > United kingdom South africa > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16378	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build

Can you indicate the exact option where the calculator is? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@a... wrote: > > Thomas, > Try Garf.org > They have a tank building calculator that lets you make calculations for all glass tanks, all acrylic tanks, or tanks made of wood and glass, or acrylic and wood. > You will have to convert to inches and then back to centimeters. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@y...> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:52:14 -0000 > Subject: [AquaticLife] necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates that serve to build an aquarium > > > > Hello, > > My aproximately 20 gallons tank (70 liters) measures 70 cm X 35 cm X > 35 cm. > > As I have no experience in Aquarium building the whole job was done > by a local aquarium builder, he opted to choose 6 mm Glassplates. > > Is this OK, or is it rather exagerated? > > My childhood dream always was to have an Aquarium that is rather > broad, instead of being high, or being elongated. > > So the Aquarium of my dreams might measure, perhaps, some 120 cm > length, 90 cm depth, and only 35 cm Height. > > What Glassplates would be necessary to construct such a broad, but > flat dream aquarium? > > (In this Aquarium I would put a lot of very few, fast growing water > plant species, preferrably Elodea and Ceratophyllum, and wasn´t there > Riccia as well? And only one single livebearer species, either > Gambusia affinis [If residence in any country where this species is > already introduced] or Poecilia reticulata [If residence in any > country where this species is already introduced or unlikely to be > introduced], for instance) > > But the focus of this question are the glassplates. How can I know > their ideal or necessary thickness? > > best wishes from Brazil, > > Thomas > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16379	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Thanks, I found the calculator

Hello, now I found the calculator, for my particular 20 Gallons tank, they recommend 0,635 cm. That is pretty close to the 0,6 cm I got. I will reuse this pretty tool! best wishes, Thomas --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Schlemmermeyer" <evolthomas@y...> wrote: > > > Can you indicate the exact option where the calculator is? > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@a... wrote: > > > > Thomas, > > Try Garf.org > > They have a tank building calculator that lets you make > calculations for all glass tanks, all acrylic tanks, or tanks made of > wood and glass, or acrylic and wood. > > You will have to convert to inches and then back to centimeters. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@y...> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:52:14 -0000 > > Subject: [AquaticLife] necessary or ideal thickness of glassplates > that serve to build an aquarium > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My aproximately 20 gallons tank (70 liters) measures 70 cm X 35 cm > X > > 35 cm. > > > > As I have no experience in Aquarium building the whole job was done > > by a local aquarium builder, he opted to choose 6 mm Glassplates. > > > > Is this OK, or is it rather exagerated? > > > > My childhood dream always was to have an Aquarium that is rather > > broad, instead of being high, or being elongated. > > > > So the Aquarium of my dreams might measure, perhaps, some 120 cm > > length, 90 cm depth, and only 35 cm Height. > > > > What Glassplates would be necessary to construct such a broad, but > > flat dream aquarium? > > > > (In this Aquarium I would put a lot of very few, fast growing water > > plant species, preferrably Elodea and Ceratophyllum, and wasn´t > there > > Riccia as well? And only one single livebearer species, either > > Gambusia affinis [If residence in any country where this species is > > already introduced] or Poecilia reticulata [If residence in any > > country where this species is already introduced or unlikely to be > > introduced], for instance) > > > > But the focus of this question are the glassplates. How can I know > > their ideal or necessary thickness? > > > > best wishes from Brazil, > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the > > reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> > > i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16380	From: aclaar877	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Red Temple Help--Discus Tank

All plants in my planted discus tank are doing fine, with the exception of some red temple (alternathera reneickii). I have crypts, swords, vals, ammania gracillis, aponogetons, and most of them pearl by the end of the day. The tops of the red temple are slowly growing, but leaves quickly get cuts and holes in them and look terrible. They are directly under 6700K CF bulbs, in fluorite, with regular dosing of traces, iron, P, and K. Nitrates are around 6-7 ppm. Has anyone here successfully brought these plants back to life after looking thin and sickly, especially in a discus tank kept at around 86 degrees? The same plant is doing fine in a 55g under a 6700K T5 strip with similar fertilization. Some cyanobacteria is developing on it, so P may be getting high. Only differences between the tanks is the temperature (77 vs 86), and the discus tank is 2-3 degrees of gH softer.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16381	From: Andreas	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Monocirrhus polyacanthus

Or South american leaf fish has anyone seen any? I am in the market for some and am having a hard time LFS is no help Andreas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16382	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Angel fish

Hello All: I am so excited!! My two angels were sexed as two females. Well, today I saw them hanging around a sword plant and were acting very agressive towards others. Come to find out, I have angel eggs on the sword plant. I don't know what to do with the rest of the fish. I have two plecos, red tail shark, clown loaches and many tetras. Will they eat the eggs or fry? This was an unexpected surprise. So exciting. Deborah D

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16383	From: tydrake	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Need some help!

my jewel forest cichlid is looking a bit upset lately. It stays on the bottom of the tank and does nothing. when I feed it he swims up to the top and eats his food then goes to the bottom again. he has been doing it for 2 weeks and dose not swim around the tank like he use to. He just stays on the bottom, usually inside a fake log, and does nothing. I have noticed that he is starting to turn brown on the fins. Any ideas of what might be wrong with him? Any thing would be nice :) Bye http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16384	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: small bottom feeders

Hi Everyone, I have goldfish that live very happily with a catfish & the algae is no longer a problem, maybe when he grows to be 30cm (1 foot), it may be a different story! Kevin <kevin-moseley@...> wrote: Ghost shrimp make excellent scavengers, and they stay small. Snails are good too, but they reproduce rapidly, so you have to be diligent about removing excess snails. The best snail for this is the Malaysian Livebearing Snail (Trumpet Snail), as they stay small, don't eat live plants, and spend daylight hours crawling through the gravel eating detritus. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "scott johnston" <scott_johnston75@y...> wrote: > > hello all got another question for ya,what type of fish can i get to > help clean up the bottom of the tank like and alge eater of some sort > that will not get to big cause the tank it needs to go in is only 5 > gallons or smaller can ya give me some ideas?? thank you for your time. > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16385	From: rosette55@webtv.net	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: plastic plants

maybe i am wrong but there are some types of fish and snails that will uproot/eat/kill live plants. we don't even know what kind of setup the guy had. maybe he had to use plastic.... samantha

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16386	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish

Just a shot in the dark here... but if youve only got the 2 angelfish then your water chemistry is great... but the eggs will be best suited for fish food without a male in the tank. Fish will still lay eggs without the male but they arent fertilized..... remember back in 5th grade when they gave you a class on where babys come from... hehe just kidding and sorry for being a smartass if you have a male in there. If thy are on a leaf you should have a small tank with the same water in it asd that tank and remove the eggs by moving the leav( in my opinion. however be ready with very small food for them or your going to have a heck of a time raising fry. Kris deborahgd14 <deborahgd14@...> wrote: Hello All: I am so excited!! My two angels were sexed as two females. Well, today I saw them hanging around a sword plant and were acting very agressive towards others. Come to find out, I have angel eggs on the sword plant. I don't know what to do with the rest of the fish. I have two plecos, red tail shark, clown loaches and many tetras. Will they eat the eggs or fry? This was an unexpected surprise. So exciting. Deborah D Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16387	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Need some help!

are you sure its not a she who has laid eggs and is now guarding them? they spawn in the substrate, Kris tydrake <lordsion@...> wrote: my jewel forest cichlid is looking a bit upset lately. It stays on the bottom of the tank and does nothing. when I feed it he swims up to the top and eats his food then goes to the bottom again. he has been doing it for 2 weeks and dose not swim around the tank like he use to. He just stays on the bottom, usually inside a fake log, and does nothing. I have noticed that he is starting to turn brown on the fins. Any ideas of what might be wrong with him? Any thing would be nice :) Bye http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16388	From: wantvws	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Filters?

I'm setting up a 210 gallon fish only saltwater tank (still!) and I am debating on the filtration. I'm currently looking at 2 Fluval 404 canister filters, 2 Marineland Magnum 350's, or 2 Aquaclear 110's. Is one setup better than the others? The only one I have seen in action is the Fluval and I really like the fact that it is quiet. Thanks in advance! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16389	From: Laura	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

I dont think it was the opinion that made them mad....it was the way it was given, which was really quite judgmental. Just as you prefer live plants others prefer artificial. It doesnt make one better than the other. They didnt ask which was better or ask an opinion on which would be better. They asked how to make them "LOOK" more natural. It was a new person and the people who answered were very rude and didnt answer the question at all... only told them how they would use real plants and not the artificial. I think the person knows that real would look more real....DUH....the question was what type to use to "LOOK" more real....those who are dead set against artificial were to quick to jump the gun and NOT help the new person one bit except to make them feel not welcome.... Soo...it wasnt that opinion but the rudeness in which it was given.... Thats what I think anyway... Laura If you give up when it's winter, you will miss the promise of your spring, the beauty of your summer, and the fulfillment of your fall. -------Original Message------- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/18/06 00:20:51 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Red Ludwigia Well, that was a waste of our group. You asked a question and got an answer with opinions. Then you decided to leave? Plastic plants are looked down upon by many aquarists because they contribute very little to the biological system. It would be much better to get real plants if you want a natural look. You just can't have plastic and natural in the same sentence. But again, that is our opinion. You should give people a chance. Eventually, somebody would probably come along and defend you and we could all agree to disagree and you could go buy one of those plastic plants and have fun. But instead I am here telling you, who has probably already left the group, that our opinions of plastic plants are no reason to go and leave the group. You never know, somebody that likes plastic might be inspired to come out and admit it to the group because of you, but not if you leave the group. :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Wow what a way to welcome a new member. Looks like some ignorant souls here. Time to unsubscribe to this useless group. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16390	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Temple Help--Discus Tank

I'm not aware of the requirements of this plant, but I think you pretty much may have found the problem. You posted that the other tank is 9 degrees cooler. The discus tank may just be too warm for the plant. Try moving it to the other tank and see if the plant improves. Another thing is that the water may be a bit on the soft side for the plant, but I think the temperature may be the clincher here, since the plant is trying to grow, and not being very successful at it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aclaar877 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:59 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red Temple Help--Discus Tank All plants in my planted discus tank are doing fine, with the exception of some red temple (alternathera reneickii). I have crypts, swords, vals, ammania gracillis, aponogetons, and most of them pearl by the end of the day. The tops of the red temple are slowly growing, but leaves quickly get cuts and holes in them and look terrible. They are directly under 6700K CF bulbs, in fluorite, with regular dosing of traces, iron, P, and K. Nitrates are around 6-7 ppm. Has anyone here successfully brought these plants back to life after looking thin and sickly, especially in a discus tank kept at around 86 degrees? The same plant is doing fine in a 55g under a 6700K T5 strip with similar fertilization. Some cyanobacteria is developing on it, so P may be getting high. Only differences between the tanks is the temperature (77 vs 86), and the discus tank is 2-3 degrees of gH softer. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16391	From: tydrake	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Need some help!

there is no other fish to breed with! I have had he/she a year. I have two other fish which are totally different breeds and are a mating pair that are exactly the same size and shape. they wouldn't mate with a small old jewel. Thanks anyway, Ty, ----- Original Message ----- From: kristopher helsing To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Need some help! are you sure its not a she who has laid eggs and is now guarding them? they spawn in the substrate, Kris tydrake <lordsion@...> wrote: my jewel forest cichlid is looking a bit upset lately. It stays on the bottom of the tank and does nothing. when I feed it he swims up to the top and eats his food then goes to the bottom again. he has been doing it for 2 weeks and dose not swim around the tank like he use to. He just stays on the bottom, usually inside a fake log, and does nothing. I have noticed that he is starting to turn brown on the fins. Any ideas of what might be wrong with him? Any thing would be nice :) Bye http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16392	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?

Well, I have no idea about saltwater tanks, BUT when I consider filtration for a tank, I think about the conditions I want and the type of fish I will have in the tank and their requirements. Right now, I have twice the filtration power recommended for my Amazon tank because the fish I keep in it require alot of movement and super filtered water, and my plants love it too. Maybe with saltwater tanks, it's different. Cyd wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: I'm setting up a 210 gallon fish only saltwater tank (still!) and I am debating on the filtration. I'm currently looking at 2 Fluval 404 canister filters, 2 Marineland Magnum 350's, or 2 Aquaclear 110's. Is one setup better than the others? The only one I have seen in action is the Fluval and I really like the fact that it is quiet. Thanks in advance! Robbie --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16393	From: Laura	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Patrick said.... "You just can't have plastic and natural in the same sentence." This may be true but that is not what the person was asking....they said they wanted a "natural LOOK".....whole different meaning....and that you CAN have with artificial....its a LOOK not the real thing.... Laura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16394	From: Cydne	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Sorry!

Okay, I will fall on my sword here and say I was being rude to the new guy. So I think I will just leave so the group will have better luck with new people. I think I must be too old and crusty to give certain people the kid glove treatment, and I don't feel like being a lurker. Cyd

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16396	From: Patrick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Sorry!

No, leave the group and join me in my new life as a Canadian! Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Okay, I will fall on my sword here and say I was being rude to the new guy. So I think I will just leave so the group will have better luck with new people. I think I must be too old and crusty to give certain people the kid glove treatment, and I don't feel like being a lurker. Cyd

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16397	From: Patrick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Nobody got the point of my message. Everyone that replied to my message were much worse than those who caused the poor feller to feel unwelcome. Everyone picked my post apart looking at all the things I said that seemed rude, but somehow missed that the message was in support of people who prefer plastic plants being able to remain members of this group without feeling too bad. Y'all seem a little boring. Maybe I should leave the group and become a Canadian! Patrick This post was not meant to be any more serious than the one everybody seemed to hate. I don't get made, I cry like a little baby.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16398	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

A Lot has been said. I personally think that it was no ones fault that the poor new comer left the group. Yes, some harsh words were spoken but if the person really came to learn something from the group then his attitude would have been different towards it. You meet someone who washes his gravel every month with normal tap water and your first reaction would be "OH My God, what in the crazy world are you doing? Get your things straight man and start thinking". I dint find it nice to include some regularly used harsh phrases but even with that, what are the chances that the person will take an offence to it? Moreover, what are the chances that he really wants to learn why you mean that? If he wants to help himself, he will ask for help, else he can keep living with plastics and forget the real thing. I am just a bit surprised if he dint have plastic floating fish in the tank with the kind of attitude he showed. Not that I am against plastic decor, I myself have had that but it's the attitude that was taken against a genuine advice that was give in a slightly harsh tone. Maybe he was one of those kids who dialled 911 when scolded by his parents :-s Lets put an end to a baseless argument and try to be a little more polite to a new comer ;) Nim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16399	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

A Lot has been said. I personally think that it was no ones fault that the poor new comer left the group. Yes, some harsh words were spoken but if the person really came to learn something from the group then his attitude would have been different towards it. You meet someone who washes his gravel every month with normal tap water and your first reaction would be "OH My God, what in the crazy world are you doing? Get your things straight man and start thinking". I dint find it nice to include some regularly used harsh phrases but even with that, what are the chances that the person will take an offence to it? Moreover, what are the chances that he really wants to learn why you mean that? If he wants to help himself, he will ask for help, else he can keep living with plastics and forget the real thing. I am just a bit surprised if he dint have plastic floating fish in the tank with the kind of attitude he showed. Not that I am against plastic decor, I myself have had that but it's the attitude that was taken against a genuine advice that was give in a slightly harsh tone. Maybe he was one of those kids who dialled 911 when scolded by his parents :-s Lets put an end to a baseless argument and try to be a little more polite to a new comer ;) Nim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16400	From: red-eye	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

Yes a lot has been said....more than the topic deserves However everyone needs to remember that Email lacks emotion. I do not believe anyone including myself said anything that was "harsh". If folks don't like the way individuals are replying then maybe they should moderated every post or better yet designate a few "polite" individuals to answer instead. I hope you get my point. Bottom line this is ridiculous in my humble opinion. regards, red-eye At 02:02 AM 1/19/2006, you wrote: >A Lot has been said. > > > >I personally think that it was no ones fault that the poor new comer left >the group. Yes, some harsh words were spoken but if the person really came >to learn something from the group then his attitude would have been >different towards it. > > > >You meet someone who washes his gravel every month with normal tap water and >your first reaction would be "OH My God, what in the crazy world are you >doing? Get your things straight man and start thinking". I dint find it nice >to include some regularly used harsh phrases but even with that, what are >the chances that the person will take an offence to it? Moreover, what are >the chances that he really wants to learn why you mean that? > > > >If he wants to help himself, he will ask for help, else he can keep living >with plastics and forget the real thing. I am just a bit surprised if he >dint have plastic floating fish in the tank with the kind of attitude he >showed. > > > >Not that I am against plastic decor, I myself have had that but it's the >attitude that was taken against a genuine advice that was give in a slightly >harsh tone. Maybe he was one of those kids who dialled 911 when scolded by >his parents :-s > > > >Lets put an end to a baseless argument and try to be a little more polite to >a new comer ;) > > > >Nim > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16401	From: George Kawalauskas	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

I just joined the news letter but all I have heard is rules of etiquette. Good bye --- Nimish Mathur <nimmat4@...> wrote: > A Lot has been said. > > > > I personally think that it was no ones fault that > the poor new comer left > the group. Yes, some harsh words were spoken but if > the person really came > to learn something from the group then his attitude > would have been > different towards it. > > > > You meet someone who washes his gravel every month > with normal tap water and > your first reaction would be "OH My God, what in the > crazy world are you > doing? Get your things straight man and start > thinking". I dint find it nice > to include some regularly used harsh phrases but > even with that, what are > the chances that the person will take an offence to > it? Moreover, what are > the chances that he really wants to learn why you > mean that? > > > > If he wants to help himself, he will ask for help, > else he can keep living > with plastics and forget the real thing. I am just a > bit surprised if he > dint have plastic floating fish in the tank with the > kind of attitude he > showed. > > > > Not that I am against plastic decor, I myself have > had that but it's the > attitude that was taken against a genuine advice > that was give in a slightly > harsh tone. Maybe he was one of those kids who > dialled 911 when scolded by > his parents :-s > > > > Lets put an end to a baseless argument and try to be > a little more polite to > a new comer ;) > > > > Nim > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > George Kawalauskas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16402	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish

The angels ate them. I am setting up another tank for them and see what happens. I'm thrilled to have witnessed a spawning. Deborah D --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@y...> wrote: > > Just a shot in the dark here... but if youve only got the 2 angelfish then your water chemistry is great... but the eggs will be best suited for fish food without a male in the tank. Fish will still lay eggs without the male but they arent fertilized..... remember back in 5th grade when they gave you a class on where babys come from... hehe just kidding and sorry for being a smartass if you have a male in there. If thy are on a leaf you should have a small tank with the same water in it asd that tank and remove the eggs by moving the leav( in my opinion. however be ready with very small food for them or your going to have a heck of a time raising fry. > > Kris > > deborahgd14 <deborahgd14@y...> wrote: > Hello All: I am so excited!! My two angels were sexed as two > females. Well, today I saw them hanging around a sword plant and were > acting very agressive towards others. Come to find out, I have angel > eggs on the sword plant. I don't know what to do with the rest of the > fish. I have two plecos, red tail shark, clown loaches and many > tetras. Will they eat the eggs or fry? This was an unexpected > surprise. So exciting. Deborah D > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16403	From: deborahgd14	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Angel fish

The angels ate them. I am setting up another tank for them and see what happens. I'm thrilled to have witnessed a spawning. Deborah D --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@y...> wrote: > > Just a shot in the dark here... but if youve only got the 2 angelfish then your water chemistry is great... but the eggs will be best suited for fish food without a male in the tank. Fish will still lay eggs without the male but they arent fertilized..... remember back in 5th grade when they gave you a class on where babys come from... hehe just kidding and sorry for being a smartass if you have a male in there. If thy are on a leaf you should have a small tank with the same water in it asd that tank and remove the eggs by moving the leav( in my opinion. however be ready with very small food for them or your going to have a heck of a time raising fry. > > Kris > > deborahgd14 <deborahgd14@y...> wrote: > Hello All: I am so excited!! My two angels were sexed as two > females. Well, today I saw them hanging around a sword plant and were > acting very agressive towards others. Come to find out, I have angel > eggs on the sword plant. I don't know what to do with the rest of the > fish. I have two plecos, red tail shark, clown loaches and many > tetras. Will they eat the eggs or fry? This was an unexpected > surprise. So exciting. Deborah D > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16404	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

If you have not left yet ask a question or post something. We don't always spend time discussing the finer points of etiquette. Mike -----Original Message----- From: George Kawalauskas <kawalaug@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Red Ludwigia I just joined the news letter but all I have heard is rules of etiquette. Good bye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16405	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Red Ludwigia

He has left Mike. I would appreciate this topic to be closed now as its pointless to argue on this front. I think that humans are slightly more intelligent then animals so they will not follow a pattern taken by a couple. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: 19 January 2006 22:17 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Red Ludwigia If you have not left yet ask a question or post something. We don't always spend time discussing the finer points of etiquette. Mike -----Original Message----- From: George Kawalauskas <kawalaug@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Red Ludwigia I just joined the news letter but all I have heard is rules of etiquette. Good bye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16406	From: harry perry	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Red Ludwigia/ An unfortunate situation./ A moderator's view.

I don't see where anyone is to blame for this. This is a public forum, folks will voice their opinion. Personally I like my plastic plants. They go well with my plastic fish and also with my diver and the bubbling treasure chest. Cuts down on water changes and fish food. I didn't read anything that was exceptionally rude. What I read was an opinion and an overly sensitive response. This group is all about keeping fish. Some folks are passionate about there way of doing things. It doesn't mean that they're right and everyone else is wrong. It just means that their opinion is different from someone else's. It's time to move on. Let's get back to our main obsession. Keeping fish. Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16407	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: OT: Rules of Behavior

In light of the recent discussion of Live vs. Plastic and who was rude to who (personally, I don't think any one was rude, but that is another story) I present these following rules of behavior so that we may better understand the actions and reactions of some people. The rules for being an Internet pill, reprinted here in their entirety, courtesy of the Pills of the American Internet Neighborhood Society (PAINS): RULES FOR TROLLS AND PILLS WHEREAS, 95 percent of all the e-mail received by critics and columnists is civil, friendly or respectfully constructive; but WHEREAS, this is the Internet age, and we're all anonymous and can avoid making eye contact forever; and WHEREAS, there's so much information overload, a little heat and drama on your part may be necessary just to be heard above the din; and WHEREAS, many of those who fire off potshots are missing out on some of the best techniques for effective snippiness; THEREFORE let us now post the rules for membership in the Pills of the American Internet Neighborhood Society. 1. Use the strongest language possible. Calling names is always effective, and four-letter words show that you mean business. 2. Having a violent opinion of something doesn't require you to actually try it yourself. After all, plenty of people heatedly object to books they haven't read or movies they haven't seen. Heck, you can imagine perfectly well if something is any good. 3. If it's a positive review that you didn't like, call the reviewer a "fanboy." Do not entertain the notion that the product, service, show, movie, book or restaurant might, in fact, be good. Instead, assume that the reviewer has received payment from the reviewee. Work in the word "shill" if possible. 4. If it's a negative review, call the reviewer a "basher" and describe the review as a "hatchet job." Accuse him of being paid off by the reviewee's *rival*. 5. If it's a mixed review, ignore the passages that balance the argument. Pretend that the entire review is all positive or all negative. Refer to it either as a "rave" or a "slam." 6. If you find a sentence early in the article that rubs you the wrong way, you are by no means obligated to finish reading. Stop right where you are--express your anger while it's still good and hot! What are the odds that the writer is going to say anything else relevant to your point later in the piece, anyway? 7. If the writer responds to your e-mail with evidence that you're wrong (for example, by citing a paragraph that you overlooked), disappear without responding. This is the anonymous Internet; slipping away without consequence or civility is your privilege. 8. Trolling is making a deliberately inflammatory remark, one that you know perfectly well is baloney, just to get a rise out of other people. Trolling is an art. Trolling works just fine for an audience of one (say, a journalist), but of course the real fun is trolling on public bulletin boards where you can get dozens of people screaming at you simultaneously. Comments on religion, politics or Mac-vs.-Windows are always good bets. The talented troll sits back to enjoy the fireworks with a smirk, and never, ever responds to the responses. 9. Don't let generalities slip by. Don't tolerate simplifications for the sake of a non-technical audience. Ignore conditional words like "generally," "usually" and "most." If you read a sentence that says, for example, "The VisionPhone is among the first consumer videophones," cite the reviewer's ignorance and laziness for failing to mention the prototype developed by AT&T for the 1964 World's Fair. Send copies of your note to the publication's publisher and, if possible, its advertisers. And there you have it: the nine habits of highly effective pills. After all: if you're going to be a miserable curmudgeon, you may as well do it up right! \\Steve// "It is much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem." - Malcolm Forbes

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16408	From: Patrick	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: OT: Rules of Behavior

They look a lot like the rules for the debate group. :) Patrick http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquariumdebates ----- Original Message ----- In light of the recent discussion of Live vs. Plastic and who was rude to who (personally, I don't think any one was rude, but that is another story) I present these following rules of behavior so that we may better understand the actions and reactions of some people.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16409	From: Kevin	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails

I have heard before that blue gouramis will eat small snails. Has anyone actually seen this with their own eyes? Also, I have heard that gouramis will rip up live plants. Is this true? I kept gouramis when I was a kid, but back then I used plastic plants.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16410	From: Ty Drake	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails

Depends what ones you get i think ( http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/) small ones won't but the giant goramui will :) Thanks, Ty, On 1/21/06, Kevin <kevin-moseley@...> wrote: > > I have heard before that blue gouramis will eat small snails. Has anyone > actually seen this > with their own eyes? Also, I have heard that gouramis will rip up live > plants. Is this true? I > kept gouramis when I was a kid, but back then I used plastic plants. > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest > romania<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> San > francisco bay area<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> United > kingdom<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> South > africa<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "AquaticLife<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16412	From: Karen	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Going Broke

Okay, I've bought an RO unit and a UV and Prime. So hopefully that will take care of the chloramine problem in our water. NOW: I read that Kent Sea Salt will take care of "reconstituting" the water so that I don't have to add anything else. Have you found this to be true and do all the sea salt mixes do this or is it just unique to the Kent salt? Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16413	From: Joe Golesh	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?

No contest as far I am concerned. Go for a wet/dry filter system with surface extraction. The best filter system you can get. -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "wantvws" <rml1963@n...> wrote: > > I'm setting up a 210 gallon fish only saltwater tank (still!) and I am > debating on the filtration. I'm currently looking at 2 Fluval 404 > canister filters, 2 Marineland Magnum 350's, or 2 Aquaclear 110's. Is > one setup better than the others? The only one I have seen in action > is the Fluval and I really like the fact that it is quiet. Thanks in > advance! > Robbie >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16414	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: distilled water

Ty, I will say this as nice as I can. You are spamming the group with your OT post of a fan club. Perhaps this is not the place for this. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ty Drake <lordsion@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:48:02 +1100 Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: distilled water http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/In-The-Zone/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16415	From: fish_guru2001	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: hello fish friends,

hello fish friends, hello everyone, i just wanted to tell you about this new site, this site is for all pets. exotics of all kinds! i found pets for sale i didn't know you could have for a pet. i thought that was kool the web site is at http://petworldforum.com you cna chat with me on messenger fish guru

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16416	From: wantvws	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Filters?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Golesh" <j_sgolesh@h...> wrote: > > No contest as far I am concerned. Go for a wet/dry filter system with > surface extraction. The best filter system you can get. Thanks! I was shying away from the hang-on filters...any particular brand or model you (or anyone) can recommend? Thanks again! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16417	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Going Broke

Any marine mix should give you good water for the tank. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Going Broke Okay, I've bought an RO unit and a UV and Prime. So hopefully that will take care of the chloramine problem in our water. NOW: I read that Kent Sea Salt will take care of "reconstituting" the water so that I don't have to add anything else. Have you found this to be true and do all the sea salt mixes do this or is it just unique to the Kent salt? Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16418	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Acriflavine and waterplant death and Guppy Infertility

Hello, I would like to know whether Acriflavine really can kill water plants such as Elodea, and whether it can cause Guppy infertility? Thanks, Thomas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16419	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Gouramis, Plants, & Snails

We had blue gourami's for a while. What we noticed is that when we had ONE gourami, it was peaceable and gentle, ate small snails but left our large ornamental one alone. When we had TWO gouramis of any type, they were constantly fighting each other and picking on the other fish. Not sure if it is the same for everyone, but it is what we noticed in our tanks. Never had any problem with them ripping up plants, but they do seem to like lurking under floating plants, so maybe provide them with some floaters

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16420	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: CO2 - Fertilizer

Hello, I have read that, to make those Riccia-plants really grow well, one might do well in fertilizing with CO2, even if only through "amateurish means". What does this mean? should one put in some bottle a CO2 producing fermentation process (alcoholic fermentation ?) and guide the CO2 through a flexible tube into the aquarium? I have in my 20 Gallons tank only very few Guppies, that probably do not produce much CO2, and the water quite turbulent due to my 4 W inside Filter, probably driving out gases quickly. In that case such amateurish CO2 methods make sense? best wishes, Thomas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16421	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Whale in Thames - London

Very sad that it could not be saved :-( despite mammoth efforts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16422	From: harry perry	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: CO2 - Fertilizer/Thomas

The 2 main ingredients for plant growth is light and food. Co2 can be substituted by using flourish excel. Harry Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: Hello, I have read that, to make those Riccia-plants really grow well, one might do well in fertilizing with CO2, even if only through "amateurish means". What does this mean? should one put in some bottle a CO2 producing fermentation process (alcoholic fermentation ?) and guide the CO2 through a flexible tube into the aquarium? I have in my 20 Gallons tank only very few Guppies, that probably do not produce much CO2, and the water quite turbulent due to my 4 W inside Filter, probably driving out gases quickly. In that case such amateurish CO2 methods make sense? best wishes, Thomas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16423	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: driftwood selection help need

Hello everyone I'm begining a new fresh water planted tank and I was looking for some advice on which types of wood are the best for attachingplants with no adverse effect to water quality any help would be greatly appreciated, i have just prep some petrified Tulip Poplar would this be acceptable for my fauna to attach and thrive Thank You, Cichfreak

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16424	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need

Any thing you find in a shop should be OK. If you are collecting your own, then you'll need to clean an d sterilize it prior to adding it to your tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lowjack989 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:30 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] driftwood selection help need Hello everyone I'm begining a new fresh water planted tank and I was looking for some advice on which types of wood are the best for attachingplants with no adverse effect to water quality any help would be greatly appreciated, i have just prep some petrified Tulip Poplar would this be acceptable for my fauna to attach and thrive Thank You, Cichfreak

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16425	From: Deirdre Marr	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Loss of Feather Duster Head?

Hello All, I came home from a movie tonight and saw that one of my feather dusters had 'lost' his/ her feathery head! What does this mean? Should I remove the head from the tank? I tried to find info. on the internet but it was conflicting, one site said the head loss was due to stress but another site said the loss of the feathers was normal moulting. Any help/information would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you! Deirdre Marr Dallas, TX

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16426	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need

Cichfreak, Petrified wood such as your Tulip Poplar is mineralized wood, whereby there is no actual wood remaining, but instead the minerals that have permeated the wood's cells and have formed the same shape and structure as the original wood. Very decorative, but unless this was sold through a LFS, it could contain minerals harmful to your fish. Even then, I would test it first with an expendable fish, unless the fish store certifies that its safe. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16427	From: Rob Dobson	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Introduction

Hi, My name is Rob and i have been keeping Tropical freshwater fish on and off for 13 years. At the current time i have 6 fish tanks housing the following: Tank 1 - Community, lots of loaches & tetras plus vaious other fishTank 2 - Malawi Cichlids - all Mbuna, no open water fishTank 3 - Geophagus surinamensis Tank 4 - GuppiesTank 5 - A few plantsTank 6 - Empty at the current time At some point I will probably bring another tank online, however I'm trying to keep the number of tanks i have to a mangeable level at the moment. Cheers, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16428	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side

Four Buenos Aires Tetras, swimming swiftly and skillfully but often on a 45 degree angle to the side. This morning all four are impacted, last week I did notice that one occasionally tilted to the side when drifting on the current, but only rarely. How to treat, and will it effect their Synodontis Petricola tank mates? Having lurked on the list for a year, I know complete information is the first request, so here it is! History: The Tetras are my cycle fish and I intend to keep them in my quarantine/hospital tank when not otherwise occupied to maintain the bio-filter in that tank. Two Tetras were purchased 11/20/2005 and put into the 10 gallon quarantine tank. Experienced the expected ammonia and nitrite spikes during the next 30 days. On 12/12/2005 readings were ammonia=0, nitrite=0, nitrate=20. I added two more Tetras. Since then weekly 30% water changes keep the nitrates under 40, usually they hover around 20. I have had zero ammonia and nitrite readings in that tank ever since. I've got a Millennium 3000 Wet-Dry filter on that tank (it's huge, but it won't work with the background in the 38). I change the filter cartridges monthly. I used material from the 10 gallon to seed bacteria when setting up the 38 gallon on 12/20/2005 with the ultimate goal of a mbuna tank. Into the 38 went substrate, and used filter cartridges from the 10. I also put one container of canister filter media into the 10 for a period of time so the bacteria could grow there too; this went into an Eheim Ecco canister filter for the 38 gallon tank, rated for 60 gallons. I was away over the holidays, so left the 4 Tetras in the 10 and maintained the biofilter in the 38 artificially using pure ammonia; the reading was kept at .25 while the tank was vacant. The biofilter appeared to be well established.I never had a nitrite reading, and the nitrate readings were at .25 within two days of start-up. On 12/29/2005 I added three Synodontis Petricola to the 38. Nitrates gradually climbed to 10ppm on 1/8/2006 and have stayed at 10 since then. On 01/13/2006 the Tetras were moved to the 38 gallon tank to make room for a group of newly acquired mbunas who now occupy the quarantine tank. Today's readings (Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, no strips): Temp 79-80 pH 8.0 Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 10 GH 10 I have well water, so no chlorine issues. The water is pH=7.8 and GH=5 out of the tap. The substrate and rockwork raised tank water to pH=8.0 and GH=10 without treatment. I add a pinch of Epsom salts to new water during water changes so it matches the tank water. I have asked several LFS about testing for iron.they do not carry the test kits and advised this was not necessary in this area, even for well water. Thanks for your help! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16429	From: hank voss	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@o...> wrote: > > Four Buenos Aires Tetras, swimming swiftly and skillfully but often on a 45 > degree angle to the side. This morning all four are impacted, la > > Donna: If your tetras are only swimming that way occasionaly there is no problem tetras (espc. males) do this quite often it is a display thing to them to see whos boss of the territory or are getting ready to spawn If they are swimming like that all the time you mighthave a problem and i dont think meds will help. Regards Hank > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16430	From: A J Myers	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need

I have a large selection of driftwood that I would like to put in my tank also. What is the best way to sterilize it? Thanks *A J*

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16431	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Danios are coldwater fish??

I thought that zebra danios were tropical fish, but someone just told me that they can be raised as cold water fish. So now I'm confused. What is the best way to keep them?? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16432	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??

They are cooler water tropical fish. Their ideal temperature is between 21C to 25C. They can be raised as cold water because they can survive at temperatures as low as 16-18C which is too low for more tropical fish and perfectly suitable for Cold water fish. Its not that 16C is the best temperature for them but if kept at 21/22, you can even keep cold water fish at that temperatures comfortably. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Emily Tenczar Sent: 23 January 2006 16:45 To: AquaticLife; Freshwater Aquariums; UniQuaria Subject: [AquaticLife] Danios are coldwater fish?? I thought that zebra danios were tropical fish, but someone just told me that they can be raised as cold water fish. So now I'm confused. What is the best way to keep them?? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16433	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??

they can be raised in cooler water than most tropicals, but are not "cold water fish" in the sense that some (but not all) goldfish are. mid 60's to low 70's are just fine for danios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Tenczar" <bababanana@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; "Freshwater Aquariums" <freshwateraquariums@yahoogroups.com>; "UniQuaria" <UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Danios are coldwater fish?? I thought that zebra danios were tropical fish, but someone just told me that they can be raised as cold water fish. So now I'm confused. What is the best way to keep them?? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16434	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??

I currently have my danios residing in a guppy tank at about 75F. Would it be better to lower the temp, or move the danios to the unheated fathead tank? Emily Kevin E Boyle <kvnbyl@...> wrote: they can be raised in cooler water than most tropicals, but are not "cold water fish" in the sense that some (but not all) goldfish are. mid 60's to low 70's are just fine for danios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Tenczar" <bababanana@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; "Freshwater Aquariums" <freshwateraquariums@yahoogroups.com>; "UniQuaria" <UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Danios are coldwater fish?? I thought that zebra danios were tropical fish, but someone just told me that they can be raised as cold water fish. So now I'm confused. What is the best way to keep them?? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16435	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side

Weird, they seem to swim upright when the tank lights are on, but in the am before the tank lights come on, they are swimming on their sides. They also seem a little beat up.scales missing or some kind of patchiness, no fin damage. Related? (There are more rocks in this tank.) I've been researching Neon Tetra Disease, but the swimming problems associated with that seem due to deformity. I see no deformity. I'd love to help the tetras, and I really don't want anything to happen to the Petricolas! _____ From: Donna Ransome [mailto:djransome@...] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:02 AM To: 'AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Tetra's Swimming Tilted to the Side Four Buenos Aires Tetras, swimming swiftly and skillfully but often on a 45 degree angle to the side. This morning all four are impacted, last week I did notice that one occasionally tilted to the side when drifting on the current, but only rarely. How to treat, and will it effect their Synodontis Petricola tank mates? Having lurked on the list for a year, I know complete information is the first request, so here it is! History: The Tetras are my cycle fish and I intend to keep them in my quarantine/hospital tank when not otherwise occupied to maintain the bio-filter in that tank. Two Tetras were purchased 11/20/2005 and put into the 10 gallon quarantine tank. Experienced the expected ammonia and nitrite spikes during the next 30 days. On 12/12/2005 readings were ammonia=0, nitrite=0, nitrate=20. I added two more Tetras. Since then weekly 30% water changes keep the nitrates under 40, usually they hover around 20. I have had zero ammonia and nitrite readings in that tank ever since. I've got a Millennium 3000 Wet-Dry filter on that tank (it's huge, but it won't work with the background in the 38). I change the filter cartridges monthly. I used material from the 10 gallon to seed bacteria when setting up the 38 gallon on 12/20/2005 with the ultimate goal of a mbuna tank. Into the 38 went substrate, and used filter cartridges from the 10. I also put one container of canister filter media into the 10 for a period of time so the bacteria could grow there too; this went into an Eheim Ecco canister filter for the 38 gallon tank, rated for 60 gallons. I was away over the holidays, so left the 4 Tetras in the 10 and maintained the biofilter in the 38 artificially using pure ammonia; the reading was kept at .25 while the tank was vacant. The biofilter appeared to be well established.I never had a nitrite reading, and the nitrate readings were at .25 within two days of start-up. On 12/29/2005 I added three Synodontis Petricola to the 38. Nitrates gradually climbed to 10ppm on 1/8/2006 and have stayed at 10 since then. On 01/13/2006 the Tetras were moved to the 38 gallon tank to make room for a group of newly acquired mbunas who now occupy the quarantine tank. Today's readings (Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, no strips): Temp 79-80 pH 8.0 Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 10 GH 10 I have well water, so no chlorine issues. The water is pH=7.8 and GH=5 out of the tap. The substrate and rockwork raised tank water to pH=8.0 and GH=10 without treatment. I add a pinch of Epsom salts to new water during water changes so it matches the tank water. I have asked several LFS about testing for iron.they do not carry the test kits and advised this was not necessary in this area, even for well water. Thanks for your help! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16436	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: driftwood selection help need

Soak in water to which bleach has been added for a couple of days. Then let it dry and rinse, rinse, rinse to remove all traces of the bleach. You want to use a plain bleach, not one with various things added to it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A J Myers Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:51 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: driftwood selection help need I have a large selection of driftwood that I would like to put in my tank also. What is the best way to sterilize it? Thanks *A J*

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16437	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: driftwood contiued

Thanks for the advice on the wood everyone, if I could query the group further with some breeding advice on C. Frontosa's. First of all is my ph of 8.3 s.u. acceptable for breeding or should I up the ph to say 9.0 s.u.my water parameters are as follows ph 8.5 s.u. , Alka.520 mg/l TDS 675 mg/l my decor consists of a 16 lbs. coral base rock and I'm using seachems marine buffer for my water and amquel+, for water detox....any suggestions on water additives or method and what age should expect them to be ready ...sorry for being so long winded but I many question regarding the safty and well being of my fish. thanx again for all input everyone Chichfreak P.S. I have prep these piece i have collected and am now looking for suggestions in regards to attachment to slate bottom and I have attached some Java Fern its looking nice I will soon post some pix to sohow the progress from the advice recieved

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16438	From: feather2night867	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Newbie saying Hello

Have a few different wet friends to say the least, have several tanks ranging from a 75 - 2 1/2, mostly cichlids (dwarfs to the a few big guys), few catfish and plecos, leporinus, orandas, telescope butterfly, lionhead, I think that covers everyone, might of missed someone, oh the large red tail shark. Of course bettas, a few of them around the house, and a small saltwater tank my son uses for a night light. And there are lots of other misc animals, that walk on hooves, paws, fly, crawl around the house also. But enjoy my fish that is for sure, just got my first fry from one pair of red jewels, they are doing great. Feather

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16439	From: lowjack989	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: amazon sword plant in dire straits

Hello everyone, I have an amazon sword plant thatis yellowing and showing no signs of improvement i have a poor substrate it being of the crushed quartz vareity I believe addind to my plant failing health and the quartz is all I have right now is it feasible to use yard dirt or potting soil in the situation, I have been adding supplements to the water they are as follows flourish excel, iron, and nitrogen, the tank is a 10 gallon betta tank 1.9 watts per gallon just messing around experimenting small before I start my new 29 gallon community planted tank up and my new marineland 75 gallon C.Frontosa species tank I ujust purchased so any and all advice in regards to these subjects will truly be appreciated thanx Chicfreak P.S. what types of small chiclids make for a good 25 gallon tall community tank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16440	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: amazon sword plant in dire straits

Depends on what's in your yard dirt. I have found a way to aid plants in poor substrate by using coffe filters (unbleached are best) you tuck in some rinsed peat moss, laterite, and sand or vermiculite and mebbe a fertilizer tab, tie it with a string that will decompose rapidly, and tuck that in right beside the plant under the gravel. The coffee filter keeps it from oozing out and clouding the water, and the plant roots can access it easily. You can also use the water-based fertilizers. As for the second question, in my experience, cichlids only do well with other cichlids...but my experience is rather limited

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16441	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: Danios are coldwater fish??

they are better where they are. they will do just fine at 75F. they can tolerate lower temps, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to have them, and they are definitely better there than in an unheated tank (goldfish and tropicals don't mix well) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Tenczar" <bababanana@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Danios are coldwater fish?? I currently have my danios residing in a guppy tank at about 75F. Would it be better to lower the temp, or move the danios to the unheated fathead tank? Emily Kevin E Boyle <kvnbyl@...> wrote: they can be raised in cooler water than most tropicals, but are not "cold water fish" in the sense that some (but not all) goldfish are. mid 60's to low 70's are just fine for danios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Tenczar" <bababanana@...> To: "AquaticLife" <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>; "Freshwater Aquariums" <freshwateraquariums@yahoogroups.com>; "UniQuaria" <UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Danios are coldwater fish?? I thought that zebra danios were tropical fish, but someone just told me that they can be raised as cold water fish. So now I'm confused. What is the best way to keep them?? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16442	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: amazon sword plant in dire straits

Amazon sword plants have a life cycle. Depending on the type you have, it is possible it is getting ready to put forth young new shoots, which cause the older larger leaves to get pretty beat up and yellowed looking. Some swords plants will put out a long "shoot" and several young plants will develop off of it. Other swords will just produce younger growth at the base. If the root system still looks good, give it some time. Cyd lowjack989 <lowjack989@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I have an amazon sword plant thatis yellowing and showing no signs of improvement i have a poor substrate it being of the crushed quartz vareity I believe addind to my plant failing health and the quartz is all I have right now is it feasible to use yard dirt or potting soil in the situation, I have been adding supplements to the water they are as follows flourish excel, iron, and nitrogen, the tank is a 10 gallon betta tank 1.9 watts per gallon just messing around experimenting small before I start my new 29 gallon community planted tank up and my new marineland 75 gallon C.Frontosa species tank I ujust purchased so any and all advice in regards to these subjects will truly be appreciated thanx Chicfreak P.S. what types of small chiclids make for a good 25 gallon tall community tank Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16443	From: fishyfishy95	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Adopted a tank

Well, I've just adopted another 30g tank from yet another co-worker who was moving cross country and didn't want to stress her fish. She has 3 cichlids, but didn't know what they were. I have found some photos on websites that look similar to the fish she has. Would someone please identify them for me? Thanks! Fish 1: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery3/pics/BLUEY.JPG (bascially, hers looks like this one, blue with darker blue/black stripes) Fish 2: http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/m.auratus.html (okay, it looks like this fish, but are there othere that look similar) Fish 3: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery1/pics/FISH15.JPG (her fish is much smaller, than this) Finally, is there any other information you can give me on the care of the fish - she fed them some generic cichlid food, but from what I've read so far they have a long digestive track and some may need special food. Also, will these guys (or girls - who knows?) get along - and how big will they get. As you can see, I'm very new to these kinds of fish, so any information will be much appreciated! Thanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16444	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

i think johanni and auratus... they are fairly agressive mbuna type cichlids... look up mbuna cichlids on a search engine. youll get good details. Kris fishyfishy95 <aves@...> wrote: Well, I've just adopted another 30g tank from yet another co-worker who was moving cross country and didn't want to stress her fish. She has 3 cichlids, but didn't know what they were. I have found some photos on websites that look similar to the fish she has. Would someone please identify them for me? Thanks! Fish 1: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery3/pics/BLUEY.JPG (bascially, hers looks like this one, blue with darker blue/black stripes) Fish 2: http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/m.auratus.html (okay, it looks like this fish, but are there othere that look similar) Fish 3: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery1/pics/FISH15.JPG (her fish is much smaller, than this) Finally, is there any other information you can give me on the care of the fish - she fed them some generic cichlid food, but from what I've read so far they have a long digestive track and some may need special food. Also, will these guys (or girls - who knows?) get along - and how big will they get. As you can see, I'm very new to these kinds of fish, so any information will be much appreciated! Thanks! Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16445	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

A 30g tank with a Melanochromis, a Pseudotropheus and a Nimbochromis livingstonii looks very unstable at first. Most melanochromis species look very similar but if it is yellow, it’s a female and that is a very good thing as females are not as aggressive as the males. The Pseudotropheus if with darker bands sounds more like a Pseudotropheus mbamba or elongates – longpelvic. If it’s a male, it could cause problem to others and by the sounds of it, it does look like a male. As long as you don’t mix another male mbuna with it, it will be fine in such a small tank. Nimbochromis livingstonii is fairly peaceful as compared to the pother 2 (I said in comparison, it is still included in the class of one of the most aggressive fish). It can out grow the tank but then again if you are not adding any fish in there, they should be fine. Personally, I would not dare to add anything else in this tank except plecs or synodontis catfish. All 3 of these are designed to kill and will kill anything that cannot fend for itself and they don’t care about the size. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kristopher helsing Sent: 25 January 2006 22:03 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Adopted a tank i think johanni and auratus... they are fairly agressive mbuna type cichlids... look up mbuna cichlids on a search engine. youll get good details. Kris fishyfishy95 <aves@...> wrote: Well, I've just adopted another 30g tank from yet another co-worker who was moving cross country and didn't want to stress her fish. She has 3 cichlids, but didn't know what they were. I have found some photos on websites that look similar to the fish she has. Would someone please identify them for me? Thanks! Fish 1: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery3/pics/BLUEY.JPG (bascially, hers looks like this one, blue with darker blue/black stripes) Fish 2: http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/m.auratus.html (okay, it looks like this fish, but are there othere that look similar) Fish 3: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery1/pics/FISH15.JPG (her fish is much smaller, than this) Finally, is there any other information you can give me on the care of the fish - she fed them some generic cichlid food, but from what I've read so far they have a long digestive track and some may need special food. Also, will these guys (or girls - who knows?) get along - and how big will they get. As you can see, I'm very new to these kinds of fish, so any information will be much appreciated! Thanks! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16446	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

i have some juvies like in the 1st picture. i've been told they are blue zebras. i keep them in a tank with some yellow labs. aggressive, but i guess not as aggressive as some cichlids. i feed them spirulina flakes right now because the cichlid pellets i bought them are too big. when they get big enough i will start feeding them the hikari cichlid pellets. --- fishyfishy95 <aves@...> wrote: > Well, I've just adopted another 30g tank from yet > another co-worker > who was moving cross country and didn't want to > stress her fish. She > has 3 cichlids, but didn't know what they were. I > have found some > photos on websites that look similar to the fish she > has. Would > someone please identify them for me? > > Thanks! > > Fish 1: > http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery3/pics/BLUEY.JPG > > (bascially, hers looks like this one, blue with > darker blue/black > stripes) > > Fish 2: > http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/m.auratus.html > > (okay, it looks like this fish, but are there othere > that look similar) > > Fish 3: > http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery1/pics/FISH15.JPG > (her fish is much smaller, than this) > > Finally, is there any other information you can give > me on the care of > the fish - she fed them some generic cichlid food, > but from what I've > read so far they have a long digestive track and > some may need special > food. Also, will these guys (or girls - who knows?) > get along - and > how big will they get. As you can see, I'm very new > to these kinds of > fish, so any information will be much appreciated! > > Thanks! > > > > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16447	From: Treston Tyrues	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

HI I WAS WONDERING DO U KNOW OF A TANK I WOULD BE ABLE TO ADOPT fishyfishy95 <aves@...> wrote: Well, I've just adopted another 30g tank from yet another co-worker who was moving cross country and didn't want to stress her fish. She has 3 cichlids, but didn't know what they were. I have found some photos on websites that look similar to the fish she has. Would someone please identify them for me? Thanks! Fish 1: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery3/pics/BLUEY.JPG (bascially, hers looks like this one, blue with darker blue/black stripes) Fish 2: http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/m.auratus.html (okay, it looks like this fish, but are there othere that look similar) Fish 3: http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery1/pics/FISH15.JPG (her fish is much smaller, than this) Finally, is there any other information you can give me on the care of the fish - she fed them some generic cichlid food, but from what I've read so far they have a long digestive track and some may need special food. Also, will these guys (or girls - who knows?) get along - and how big will they get. As you can see, I'm very new to these kinds of fish, so any information will be much appreciated! Thanks! Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16448	From: fishyfishy95	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

Thanks for all your help in identifying the fish. So far, everyone seems to be peaceful - but that may be because they are still relatively small and able to "claim" a space of their own. Once again, this just goes to show you how irresponsible people can be when getting fish, and in my co-worker's case, how irresponsible it is to purchase fish from major retail stores (the big W, in her case). It's unfortunate that these places are even allowed to sell fish, and in some cases even birds and small rodents. Here in the U.S. I would say that we have become a disposable society, with little thought or care for the animals, especially when these animals are so accessible that you can purchase one on a whim when going ot the grocery store to buy bread. Sorry for the rant. I sure wish there was something I could do to prevent animals being sold like this. Oh, and as for adopting this tank, I don't do this for a living, or know of any organized effort to adopt out unwanted tanks - I just happened to be working with some people who were moving and didn't want to deal with the hassle of moving their tank across county. Their initial solution to the problem - flush the fish (it just burns me to even think about this!) Finally, I've had some good insight into what the fish may be - as soon as I can, I'll try to get some photos up so that you all can see what they look like. I'm now concerned about their potential aggressiveness, potential adult size, and if I should be thinking about getting a larger tank (which I really can't afford to do) or else finding someone who would be interested in taking one of the fish. Now that I'm all riled up, let me just mention another pet-peeve: ink-dyed fish. Agh! What were they thinking!?! Anyway, thanks for the information, and sorry about the rants!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16449	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

You have: (1) Metriaclima zebra, (2) Melanochromis auratus and (3) Nimbochromis livingstonii, in that order. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16450	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: CNN.com - Scientists discover world's smallest fish - Jan 26, 2006

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/01/26/tiny.fish.ap/index.html

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16451	From: Philp Bob Andrew Dick	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: new to marine and ruining little lives...

I am in dire need of major help here guys... This could be long and drawn out, please bare with me... 29g, 2 aquaclear 50 hob filters (200 gph each), 1 air stone, 1 150 watt heater, FOWLS 29 g that was a cycled high brackish (.015) housing 2 very small figure 8 puffers, 2 very small green spot puffers. The tank had a black sand bed which 1 month ago I added live aggrogite. This made the bed 2 1/2- 3 inches deep... I began slowly (over a couple of weeks) increasing salinity (.002 per 3 days). I found a small valentini puffer (for only $8!) and added him to the mix... I lost a figure 8, got weak, pulled to intake, (in middle of the night) and had ripped open, was there for up to 8 hours. When I woke and found it I pulled it and did a 50% wc. Later that day I lost the other figure 8. (This is now a week and a half ago) I then set up an emergency hospital with a 10g I had just gotten home. I set it to the same salinity and temp (.021, 82) and bagged up my 3 remaining fish. I floated these guys for 1 hour and set them free... This tank I placed 1 of my aquaclear 50's on which had been cycled on 29 g prior to this eppisode (lightly rinsed off left over food but not enough to destroy the good stuff). I had test done on 29g: amonia= 3.0, nitrite= 3.3, nitrate= 135, ph= 8.1 I then did a 75% wc and had retested: amonia= 2.8, nitrite= 3.0, nitrate= 133, ph= 8.1 Another round at 75%: am= 2.0, nit= 3.0, nit= 130, ph= 8.0 I this time stir all the bed, turning it over looking closely for anything left behind... Nothing. Break down the last filter, rinse it thuroghly... 95% wc: am=2.0, nit= 3.3, nit= 130, ph=7.9 Test water being used for wc: am= 0.0, nit= 0.0, nit= 0, ph= 8.1 All this and maintaning sg of .021 During testing of main tank I loose 1 gsp. Notice that other has cloudy poped eye which i assumed to be popeye. Valentini still looking beautiful (owned for 3 day at this point) although realise i have yet to see it eat, thinking it is nocturnal and is still shy and now probobly stressed, I go on. I purchase myracine 2 and begin treating hospital. Being that this tank was not properly cycled (did not have choice) and my other tank is going nuts on me, I am wc every other day at 50%, and vacuming food every feeding. The gsp was looking better for a few days till 2 days ago, (except for having stopped eatting himself for this duration of just under a week), he began bumping into everything, bitting everything in his face (glass, fingers, airline... not fish or food) and getting stuck to intake. Sadly he died last night... I was unfortunate enough to watch but was able to pull him as soon as it happend. Now, the few remaining problems... The valentini since today has been very dark, swiming around less, not even paying any mind to my being in the room (which he had begun a few days ago). Do I have any hope for him? My 29 is now in process of a new fishless cycle, which will be a while befor anyone can live there again. What happend in this tank??? Why would peremiters go off the wall so bad like that?? No food decaying, nothing dead in sand (unless it was the sand), which leads to... Was my bed a factor in this? I am down to 1 last fish and don't wanna go out like this... If you have any ideas,please help.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16452	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

> HI > > I WAS WONDERING DO U KNOW OF A TANK I WOULD BE ABLE TO ADOPT Check with your local schools, petsmart, and veterinarians. Those are the first people contacted when someone decides to get rid of their tank.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16453	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Take II

Okay, well, our first bettas are all grown up and moved out into little tanks of their own, except for one with a bit of stunted growth that we got fond of. He's our pet in the big community tank, now. So, we have two new breeders in our 30 gallon tank. She's a cambodian yellow female, and he's a cambodian bronze male..all light bodied, with just a bit of irridescent blue and yellow along the borders of his tail. I'm hoping for great things from these two. Interestingly enough, she seems to be helping him maintain the bubble nest. He chases her off most of the time, but when he wants to eat, he goes to her area, she goes to the bubble nest, and then when he's done eating, he chases her off again. No real damage done, he just flares and darts around her till she leaves. Interesting, no? I think I'm going to try to leave at least the male in with the babies while they mature. There should be plenty of infusoria in the heavily planted tank, and we've got brine shrimp eggs ready to hatch. I've finally come upon the ideal solution to keep babies from being sucked up in the filter tube. I take the filters out of the tank to change them out, then use the old filter around the tube. Plenty of infusoria for teh babies to eat there, and it diffuses the suction greatly.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16454	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Adopted a tank

if you live in an area that craigslist services, try them. --- cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: > > > HI > > > > I WAS WONDERING DO U KNOW OF A TANK I WOULD > BE ABLE TO ADOPT > > Check with your local schools, petsmart, and > veterinarians. Those are > the first people contacted when someone decides to > get rid of their > tank. > > > > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16455	From: Sandra	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...

Hi Philip, I can just answer one of your questions - the mayor problem - for sure. Doing a 50% waterchange every second day (or daily) to lower the ammonia (which is way too high), nitrite and nitrate (also way to high) doesnt really help you or your fish in the long run, as your tank is still in the "cycle" stage and needs to be left without fish for a few weeks so the bacteria can settle in and the high toxic situation in your tank and lower itself. You won´t get there changing the water every few days for 50% (of course you are doing that cause you already have fish in there which would not survive any longer if you left your water like that), so, as your fish are dying, i would recommend you to leave your tank settle for a few weeks before thinking of adding new ones and only then, when your water tests 0 for ammonia (very important) and nitrite. I know the temptation of adding new beautiful fishes to your tank, but your tank 29g is WAY to small to handle such a huge bio load ( i have a 180g ! and currently only 5 fishes swimming in there). The valentini puffer is not exactly easy in handeling either (from own experience) and those unstable parameter won´t help a bit. We all have had to learn from our mistakes in this hobby, unfortunatelly its always the fishes lives that pay for it. (your salinity and temperature are good by the way) I also wanted to add that you most probably will need a skimmer help you eliminating the bio load or a wet/dry filter. As it doesnt disapear by itself, rather accumulate and cause huge damage. I am sure you will get answer for all your other questions here, Hang in there, this hobby can cause mayor headache at the beginning! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Philp Bob Andrew Dick" <luckybob611@y...> wrote: > > I am in dire need of major help here guys... This could be long and > drawn out, please bare with me... > > 29g, 2 aquaclear 50 hob filters (200 gph each), 1 air stone, 1 150 > watt heater, FOWLS > > 29 g that was a cycled high brackish (.015) housing 2 very small > figure 8 puffers, 2 very small green spot puffers. The tank had a > black sand bed which 1 month ago I added live aggrogite. This made > the bed 2 1/2- 3 inches deep... I began slowly (over a couple of > weeks) increasing salinity (.002 per 3 days). I found a small > valentini puffer (for only $8!) and added him to the mix... > I lost a figure 8, got weak, pulled to intake, (in middle of the > night) and had ripped open, was there for up to 8 hours. When I woke > and found it I pulled it and did a 50% wc. Later that day I lost the > other figure 8. (This is now a week and a half ago) I then set up an > emergency hospital with a 10g I had just gotten home. I set it to the > same salinity and temp (.021, 82) and bagged up my 3 remaining fish. > I floated these guys for 1 hour and set them free... This tank I > placed 1 of my aquaclear 50's on which had been cycled on 29 g prior > to this eppisode (lightly rinsed off left over food but not enough to > destroy the good stuff). > I had test done on 29g: amonia= 3.0, nitrite= 3.3, nitrate= 135, ph= > 8.1 > I then did a 75% wc and had retested: amonia= 2.8, nitrite= 3.0, > nitrate= 133, ph= 8.1 > Another round at 75%: am= 2.0, nit= 3.0, nit= 130, ph= 8.0 > > I this time stir all the bed, turning it over looking closely for > anything left behind... Nothing. Break down the last filter, rinse it > thuroghly... 95% wc: am=2.0, nit= 3.3, nit= 130, ph=7.9 > Test water being used for wc: am= 0.0, nit= 0.0, nit= 0, ph= 8.1 > All this and maintaning sg of .021 > > During testing of main tank I loose 1 gsp. Notice that other has > cloudy poped eye which i assumed to be popeye. Valentini still > looking beautiful (owned for 3 day at this point) although realise i > have yet to see it eat, thinking it is nocturnal and is still shy and > now probobly stressed, I go on. I purchase myracine 2 and begin > treating hospital. > Being that this tank was not properly cycled (did not have choice) > and my other tank is going nuts on me, I am wc every other day at > 50%, and vacuming food every feeding. > > The gsp was looking better for a few days till 2 days ago, (except > for having stopped eatting himself for this duration of just under a > week), he began bumping into everything, bitting everything in his > face (glass, fingers, airline... not fish or food) and getting stuck > to intake. Sadly he died last night... I was unfortunate enough to > watch but was able to pull him as soon as it happend. > > Now, the few remaining problems... The valentini since today has been > very dark, swiming around less, not even paying any mind to my being > in the room (which he had begun a few days ago). Do I have any hope > for him? > > My 29 is now in process of a new fishless cycle, which will be a > while befor anyone can live there again. > What happend in this tank??? Why would peremiters go off the wall so > bad like that?? No food decaying, nothing dead in sand (unless it was > the sand), which leads to... Was my bed a factor in this? > > I am down to 1 last fish and don't wanna go out like this... If you > have any ideas,please help. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16456	From: clarkmariposo25@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Whale in Thames - London

It was sad-very, at least they tried though. Robyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16457	From: Sandy	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...

He said there are no fish in the tank that is cycling... The hospital tank is what he is changing the water in... This makes your response irrelivent Sandra <sandra_friedwagner@...> wrote: Hi Philip, I can just answer one of your questions - the mayor problem - for sure. Doing a 50% waterchange every second day (or daily) to lower the ammonia (which is way too high), nitrite and nitrate (also way to high) doesnt really help you or your fish in the long run, as your tank is still in the "cycle" stage and needs to be left without fish for a few weeks so the bacteria can settle in and the high toxic situation in your tank and lower itself. You won´t get there changing the water every few days for 50% (of course you are doing that cause you already have fish in there which would not survive any longer if you left your water like that), so, as your fish are dying, i would recommend you to leave your tank settle for a few weeks before thinking of adding new ones and only then, when your water tests 0 for ammonia (very important) and nitrite. I know the temptation of adding new beautiful fishes to your tank, but your tank 29g is WAY to small to handle such a huge bio load ( i have a 180g ! and currently only 5 fishes swimming in there). The valentini puffer is not exactly easy in handeling either (from own experience) and those unstable parameter won´t help a bit. We all have had to learn from our mistakes in this hobby, unfortunatelly its always the fishes lives that pay for it. (your salinity and temperature are good by the way) I also wanted to add that you most probably will need a skimmer help you eliminating the bio load or a wet/dry filter. As it doesnt disapear by itself, rather accumulate and cause huge damage. I am sure you will get answer for all your other questions here, Hang in there, this hobby can cause mayor headache at the beginning! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Philp Bob Andrew Dick" <luckybob611@y...> wrote: > > I am in dire need of major help here guys... This could be long and > drawn out, please bare with me... > > 29g, 2 aquaclear 50 hob filters (200 gph each), 1 air stone, 1 150 > watt heater, FOWLS > > 29 g that was a cycled high brackish (.015) housing 2 very small > figure 8 puffers, 2 very small green spot puffers. The tank had a > black sand bed which 1 month ago I added live aggrogite. This made > the bed 2 1/2- 3 inches deep... I began slowly (over a couple of > weeks) increasing salinity (.002 per 3 days). I found a small > valentini puffer (for only $8!) and added him to the mix... > I lost a figure 8, got weak, pulled to intake, (in middle of the > night) and had ripped open, was there for up to 8 hours. When I woke > and found it I pulled it and did a 50% wc. Later that day I lost the > other figure 8. (This is now a week and a half ago) I then set up an > emergency hospital with a 10g I had just gotten home. I set it to the > same salinity and temp (.021, 82) and bagged up my 3 remaining fish. > I floated these guys for 1 hour and set them free... This tank I > placed 1 of my aquaclear 50's on which had been cycled on 29 g prior > to this eppisode (lightly rinsed off left over food but not enough to > destroy the good stuff). > I had test done on 29g: amonia= 3.0, nitrite= 3.3, nitrate= 135, ph= > 8.1 > I then did a 75% wc and had retested: amonia= 2.8, nitrite= 3.0, > nitrate= 133, ph= 8.1 > Another round at 75%: am= 2.0, nit= 3.0, nit= 130, ph= 8.0 > > I this time stir all the bed, turning it over looking closely for > anything left behind... Nothing. Break down the last filter, rinse it > thuroghly... 95% wc: am=2.0, nit= 3.3, nit= 130, ph=7.9 > Test water being used for wc: am= 0.0, nit= 0.0, nit= 0, ph= 8.1 > All this and maintaning sg of .021 > > During testing of main tank I loose 1 gsp. Notice that other has > cloudy poped eye which i assumed to be popeye. Valentini still > looking beautiful (owned for 3 day at this point) although realise i > have yet to see it eat, thinking it is nocturnal and is still shy and > now probobly stressed, I go on. I purchase myracine 2 and begin > treating hospital. > Being that this tank was not properly cycled (did not have choice) > and my other tank is going nuts on me, I am wc every other day at > 50%, and vacuming food every feeding. > > The gsp was looking better for a few days till 2 days ago, (except > for having stopped eatting himself for this duration of just under a > week), he began bumping into everything, bitting everything in his > face (glass, fingers, airline... not fish or food) and getting stuck > to intake. Sadly he died last night... I was unfortunate enough to > watch but was able to pull him as soon as it happend. > > Now, the few remaining problems... The valentini since today has been > very dark, swiming around less, not even paying any mind to my being > in the room (which he had begun a few days ago). Do I have any hope > for him? > > My 29 is now in process of a new fishless cycle, which will be a > while befor anyone can live there again. > What happend in this tank??? Why would peremiters go off the wall so > bad like that?? No food decaying, nothing dead in sand (unless it was > the sand), which leads to... Was my bed a factor in this? > > I am down to 1 last fish and don't wanna go out like this... 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16458	From: Cydne McCown	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II

That putting the old filter around the uptake is a GREAT idea! Similar to what I would do when my Angelfish wigglers would become free swimmers, I would slide a cylindrical sponge filter over the uptake. And you are right about heavily planted tanks providing microscopic food for the babies too. Now you have me thinking about putting up a betta tank too! hmmmmmm......... Cyd cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: Okay, well, our first bettas are all grown up and moved out into little tanks of their own, except for one with a bit of stunted growth that we got fond of. He's our pet in the big community tank, now. So, we have two new breeders in our 30 gallon tank. She's a cambodian yellow female, and he's a cambodian bronze male..all light bodied, with just a bit of irridescent blue and yellow along the borders of his tail. I'm hoping for great things from these two. Interestingly enough, she seems to be helping him maintain the bubble nest. He chases her off most of the time, but when he wants to eat, he goes to her area, she goes to the bubble nest, and then when he's done eating, he chases her off again. No real damage done, he just flares and darts around her till she leaves. Interesting, no? I think I'm going to try to leave at least the male in with the babies while they mature. There should be plenty of infusoria in the heavily planted tank, and we've got brine shrimp eggs ready to hatch. I've finally come upon the ideal solution to keep babies from being sucked up in the filter tube. I take the filters out of the tank to change them out, then use the old filter around the tube. Plenty of infusoria for teh babies to eat there, and it diffuses the suction greatly. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16459	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II

A side note just reading things, when my lifalli spawned in a community aquarium. Had just gottem them barely a week after they spawned in one of the community cichlid houses. Couldn't move them, and didn't want to be chasing the others around to move others into a different tank. So I tried the " put the old filter around the uptake", it works really good. Feather Cydne McCown <cydthekid50@...> wrote: That putting the old filter around the uptake is a GREAT idea! Similar to what I would do when my Angelfish wigglers would become free swimmers, I would slide a cylindrical sponge filter over the uptake. And you are right about heavily planted tanks providing microscopic food for the babies too. Now you have me thinking about putting up a betta tank too! hmmmmmm......... Cyd cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: Okay, well, our first bettas are all grown up and moved out into little tanks of their own, except for one with a bit of stunted growth that we got fond of. He's our pet in the big community tank, now. So, we have two new breeders in our 30 gallon tank. She's a cambodian yellow female, and he's a cambodian bronze male..all light bodied, with just a bit of irridescent blue and yellow along the borders of his tail. I'm hoping for great things from these two. Interestingly enough, she seems to be helping him maintain the bubble nest. He chases her off most of the time, but when he wants to eat, he goes to her area, she goes to the bubble nest, and then when he's done eating, he chases her off again. No real damage done, he just flares and darts around her till she leaves. Interesting, no? I think I'm going to try to leave at least the male in with the babies while they mature. There should be plenty of infusoria in the heavily planted tank, and we've got brine shrimp eggs ready to hatch. I've finally come upon the ideal solution to keep babies from being sucked up in the filter tube. I take the filters out of the tank to change them out, then use the old filter around the tube. Plenty of infusoria for teh babies to eat there, and it diffuses the suction greatly. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16460	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II

Thanks for the feedback, I was hoping I wasn't headed for trouble that way :D I had run out of old stockings to put on the tank, and that only worked so-so the last time, anyway. I went ahead and removed the female today, as he was getting really aggressive with her. Huge bubble nest. I haven't actually SEEN them mate, but I cannot imagine it hasn't happened by now. :P If it turns out to be a bust, I'll just try again later.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16461	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Whale in Thames - London

Yeah, and though sad, it gave people who ordinarily would never SEE a whale that brief touch of something extrordinary. People need to actually contact nature to love it, i think.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16462	From: Sandra	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...

He said that the hospital tank was not properly cicled but he didnt have a choice but to put them in. The other fish were in his 29g main tank which had died - however where the fish had been or are now, this doesnt make my response irrelevant because the fact that he has such a huge bio load in such a small tank (29g) without a skimmer or a wet/dry filter could be an explanation of the high toxic situation of his tank besides the fact that it might still be cycling which is disturbed by all the frequent water changes, this is an answer to his question why the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate doesnt improve and i gave him an answer to it! sandra --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Sandy <wassergottin@y...> wrote: > > He said there are no fish in the tank that is cycling... The hospital tank is what he is changing the water in... This makes your response irrelivent > > Sandra <sandra_friedwagner@h...> wrote: Hi Philip, > > I can just answer one of your questions - the mayor problem - for > sure. Doing a 50% waterchange every second day (or daily) to lower > the ammonia (which is way too high), nitrite and nitrate (also way > to high) doesnt really help you or your fish in the long run, as > your tank is still in the "cycle" stage and needs to be left without > fish for a few weeks so the bacteria can settle in and the high > toxic situation in your tank and lower itself. You won´t get there > changing the water every few days for 50% (of course you are doing > that cause you already have fish in there which would not survive > any longer if you left your water like that), so, as your fish are > dying, i would recommend you to leave your tank settle for a few > weeks before thinking of adding new ones and only then, when your > water tests 0 for ammonia (very important) and nitrite. I know the > temptation of adding new beautiful fishes to your tank, but your > tank 29g is WAY to small to handle such a huge bio load ( i have a > 180g ! and currently only 5 fishes swimming in there). The valentini > puffer is not exactly easy in handeling either (from own experience) > and those unstable parameter won´t help a bit. We all have had to > learn from our mistakes in this hobby, unfortunatelly its always the > fishes lives that pay for it. > > (your salinity and temperature are good by the way) I also wanted to > add that you most probably will need a skimmer help you eliminating > the bio load or a wet/dry filter. As it doesnt disapear by itself, > rather accumulate and cause huge damage. > > I am sure you will get answer for all your other questions here, > > Hang in there, this hobby can cause mayor headache at the beginning! > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Philp Bob Andrew Dick" > <luckybob611@y...> wrote: > > > > I am in dire need of major help here guys... This could be long > and > > drawn out, please bare with me... > > > > 29g, 2 aquaclear 50 hob filters (200 gph each), 1 air stone, 1 150 > > watt heater, FOWLS > > > > 29 g that was a cycled high brackish (.015) housing 2 very small > > figure 8 puffers, 2 very small green spot puffers. The tank had a > > black sand bed which 1 month ago I added live aggrogite. This made > > the bed 2 1/2- 3 inches deep... I began slowly (over a couple of > > weeks) increasing salinity (.002 per 3 days). I found a small > > valentini puffer (for only $8!) and added him to the mix... > > I lost a figure 8, got weak, pulled to intake, (in middle of the > > night) and had ripped open, was there for up to 8 hours. When I > woke > > and found it I pulled it and did a 50% wc. Later that day I lost > the > > other figure 8. (This is now a week and a half ago) I then set up > an > > emergency hospital with a 10g I had just gotten home. I set it to > the > > same salinity and temp (.021, 82) and bagged up my 3 remaining > fish. > > I floated these guys for 1 hour and set them free... This tank I > > placed 1 of my aquaclear 50's on which had been cycled on 29 g > prior > > to this eppisode (lightly rinsed off left over food but not enough > to > > destroy the good stuff). > > I had test done on 29g: amonia= 3.0, nitrite= 3.3, nitrate= 135, > ph= > > 8.1 > > I then did a 75% wc and had retested: amonia= 2.8, nitrite= 3.0, > > nitrate= 133, ph= 8.1 > > Another round at 75%: am= 2.0, nit= 3.0, nit= 130, ph= 8.0 > > > > I this time stir all the bed, turning it over looking closely for > > anything left behind... Nothing. Break down the last filter, rinse > it > > thuroghly... 95% wc: am=2.0, nit= 3.3, nit= 130, ph=7.9 > > Test water being used for wc: am= 0.0, nit= 0.0, nit= 0, ph= 8.1 > > All this and maintaning sg of .021 > > > > During testing of main tank I loose 1 gsp. Notice that other has > > cloudy poped eye which i assumed to be popeye. Valentini still > > looking beautiful (owned for 3 day at this point) although realise > i > > have yet to see it eat, thinking it is nocturnal and is still shy > and > > now probobly stressed, I go on. I purchase myracine 2 and begin > > treating hospital. > > Being that this tank was not properly cycled (did not have choice) > > and my other tank is going nuts on me, I am wc every other day at > > 50%, and vacuming food every feeding. > > > > The gsp was looking better for a few days till 2 days ago, (except > > for having stopped eatting himself for this duration of just under > a > > week), he began bumping into everything, bitting everything in his > > face (glass, fingers, airline... not fish or food) and getting > stuck > > to intake. Sadly he died last night... I was unfortunate enough to > > watch but was able to pull him as soon as it happend. > > > > Now, the few remaining problems... The valentini since today has > been > > very dark, swiming around less, not even paying any mind to my > being > > in the room (which he had begun a few days ago). Do I have any > hope > > for him? > > > > My 29 is now in process of a new fishless cycle, which will be a > > while befor anyone can live there again. > > What happend in this tank??? Why would peremiters go off the wall > so > > bad like that?? No food decaying, nothing dead in sand (unless it > was > > the sand), which leads to... Was my bed a factor in this? > > > > I am down to 1 last fish and don't wanna go out like this... If > you > > have any ideas,please help. > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16463	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...

I don't think so...that 50% water change is bound to upset any tank, hospital or cycling. BUT I could be wrong. > He said there are no fish in the tank that is cycling... The hospital tank is what he is changing the water in... This makes your response irrelivent >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16464	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Take II

The other thing I tried and worked well was: got some sponges that I cut a hole down the center of, slide them over the uptake. This was a suggestion from LFS owner, was at a time didn't think some ot the fish were old enough to spawn, silly me they were. Another surprise a while back from the kids. Feather cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: Thanks for the feedback, I was hoping I wasn't headed for trouble that way :D I had run out of old stockings to put on the tank, and that only worked so-so the last time, anyway. I went ahead and removed the female today, as he was getting really aggressive with her. Huge bubble nest. I haven't actually SEEN them mate, but I cannot imagine it hasn't happened by now. :P If it turns out to be a bust, I'll just try again later. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16465	From: wantvws	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Help! Sealer question!!

I am literally in the middle of resealing the last corner of my 210 gallon aquarium, and I read the instructions on the sealer (DAP Aquarium Sealant, bought at the Home Depot) and it says "not for use in aquariums over 30 gallons or more than 18" in depth"?????. Mine is 24" deep, FYI. Am I screwed? Or will it make a difference? I only did the inside of the aquarium (not the joints) and only did the uprights, because they were the only part that was bad. Please tell me that I do not have to do this again. Thanks in advance!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16466	From: hank voss	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help! Sealer question!!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "wantvws" <rml1963@n...> wrote: > > Aquarium Sealant, bought at the Home Depot) and it says "not for use > in aquariums over 30 gallons or more than 18" in depth" > Robbie: You should be ok to go ahead sealing.That caution is more making a tank from scratch,just make sure to clean the glass with a solvent to remove any residue of the old cement. Regards Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16467	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help! Sealer question!!

also they will only back up the product to that limit... after that THEY just want to take no chances. hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "wantvws" <rml1963@n...> wrote: > > Aquarium Sealant, bought at the Home Depot) and it says "not for use > in aquariums over 30 gallons or more than 18" in depth" > Robbie: You should be ok to go ahead sealing.That caution is more making a tank from scratch,just make sure to clean the glass with a solvent to remove any residue of the old cement. Regards Hank Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16468	From: Sandy	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: new to marine and ruining little lives...

Well... The fish is now housed at a store and he is starting over so... AGAIN Sandra <sandra_friedwagner@...> wrote: He said that the hospital tank was not properly cicled but he didnt have a choice but to put them in. The other fish were in his 29g main tank which had died - however where the fish had been or are now, this doesnt make my response irrelevant because the fact that he has such a huge bio load in such a small tank (29g) without a skimmer or a wet/dry filter could be an explanation of the high toxic situation of his tank besides the fact that it might still be cycling which is disturbed by all the frequent water changes, this is an answer to his question why the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate doesnt improve and i gave him an answer to it! sandra --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Sandy <wassergottin@y...> wrote: > > He said there are no fish in the tank that is cycling... The hospital tank is what he is changing the water in... This makes your response irrelivent > > Sandra <sandra_friedwagner@h...> wrote: Hi Philip, > > I can just answer one of your questions - the mayor problem - for > sure. Doing a 50% waterchange every second day (or daily) to lower > the ammonia (which is way too high), nitrite and nitrate (also way > to high) doesnt really help you or your fish in the long run, as > your tank is still in the "cycle" stage and needs to be left without > fish for a few weeks so the bacteria can settle in and the high > toxic situation in your tank and lower itself. You won´t get there > changing the water every few days for 50% (of course you are doing > that cause you already have fish in there which would not survive > any longer if you left your water like that), so, as your fish are > dying, i would recommend you to leave your tank settle for a few > weeks before thinking of adding new ones and only then, when your > water tests 0 for ammonia (very important) and nitrite. I know the > temptation of adding new beautiful fishes to your tank, but your > tank 29g is WAY to small to handle such a huge bio load ( i have a > 180g ! and currently only 5 fishes swimming in there). The valentini > puffer is not exactly easy in handeling either (from own experience) > and those unstable parameter won´t help a bit. We all have had to > learn from our mistakes in this hobby, unfortunatelly its always the > fishes lives that pay for it. > > (your salinity and temperature are good by the way) I also wanted to > add that you most probably will need a skimmer help you eliminating > the bio load or a wet/dry filter. As it doesnt disapear by itself, > rather accumulate and cause huge damage. > > I am sure you will get answer for all your other questions here, > > Hang in there, this hobby can cause mayor headache at the beginning! > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Philp Bob Andrew Dick" > <luckybob611@y...> wrote: > > > > I am in dire need of major help here guys... This could be long > and > > drawn out, please bare with me... > > > > 29g, 2 aquaclear 50 hob filters (200 gph each), 1 air stone, 1 150 > > watt heater, FOWLS > > > > 29 g that was a cycled high brackish (.015) housing 2 very small > > figure 8 puffers, 2 very small green spot puffers. The tank had a > > black sand bed which 1 month ago I added live aggrogite. This made > > the bed 2 1/2- 3 inches deep... I began slowly (over a couple of > > weeks) increasing salinity (.002 per 3 days). I found a small > > valentini puffer (for only $8!) and added him to the mix... > > I lost a figure 8, got weak, pulled to intake, (in middle of the > > night) and had ripped open, was there for up to 8 hours. When I > woke > > and found it I pulled it and did a 50% wc. Later that day I lost > the > > other figure 8. (This is now a week and a half ago) I then set up > an > > emergency hospital with a 10g I had just gotten home. I set it to > the > > same salinity and temp (.021, 82) and bagged up my 3 remaining > fish. > > I floated these guys for 1 hour and set them free... This tank I > > placed 1 of my aquaclear 50's on which had been cycled on 29 g > prior > > to this eppisode (lightly rinsed off left over food but not enough > to > > destroy the good stuff). > > I had test done on 29g: amonia= 3.0, nitrite= 3.3, nitrate= 135, > ph= > > 8.1 > > I then did a 75% wc and had retested: amonia= 2.8, nitrite= 3.0, > > nitrate= 133, ph= 8.1 > > Another round at 75%: am= 2.0, nit= 3.0, nit= 130, ph= 8.0 > > > > I this time stir all the bed, turning it over looking closely for > > anything left behind... Nothing. Break down the last filter, rinse > it > > thuroghly... 95% wc: am=2.0, nit= 3.3, nit= 130, ph=7.9 > > Test water being used for wc: am= 0.0, nit= 0.0, nit= 0, ph= 8.1 > > All this and maintaning sg of .021 > > > > During testing of main tank I loose 1 gsp. Notice that other has > > cloudy poped eye which i assumed to be popeye. Valentini still > > looking beautiful (owned for 3 day at this point) although realise > i > > have yet to see it eat, thinking it is nocturnal and is still shy > and > > now probobly stressed, I go on. I purchase myracine 2 and begin > > treating hospital. > > Being that this tank was not properly cycled (did not have choice) > > and my other tank is going nuts on me, I am wc every other day at > > 50%, and vacuming food every feeding. > > > > The gsp was looking better for a few days till 2 days ago, (except > > for having stopped eatting himself for this duration of just under > a > > week), he began bumping into everything, bitting everything in his > > face (glass, fingers, airline... not fish or food) and getting > stuck > > to intake. Sadly he died last night... I was unfortunate enough to > > watch but was able to pull him as soon as it happend. > > > > Now, the few remaining problems... The valentini since today has > been > > very dark, swiming around less, not even paying any mind to my > being > > in the room (which he had begun a few days ago). Do I have any > hope > > for him? > > > > My 29 is now in process of a new fishless cycle, which will be a > > while befor anyone can live there again. > > What happend in this tank??? Why would peremiters go off the wall > so > > bad like that?? No food decaying, nothing dead in sand (unless it > was > > the sand), which leads to... Was my bed a factor in this? > > > > I am down to 1 last fish and don't wanna go out like this... If > you > > have any ideas,please help. > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16469	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: DIY Ca Reaktor Substrate

helo, I have done experiment makin Ca Substrae for Ca Reacktor. but I have a problem for testing the Ksp, and solubility in water as aTOP-UP water. wong banten www.o-fish.com --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16470	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: MUD system

Halo all, I'm from INDONESIA.............. Anyone have experience in MUD filtration system in Marine Aquariium? I have 2 years Aq with NO Skimmer ,and Ca Reacktor. I also use seagrass as VEGETATION filter. result,....0 P,0 No2, 0No3. interesting ?.........try MUD filtration system........CHEAP,NATURE, and works!! wong banten www.o-fish.com --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16471	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: MUD system

I'v never heard of such a thing...for an indoor tank, anyway. Tell us more? > Anyone have experience in MUD filtration system in Marine Aquariium?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16472	From: wantvws	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Heater comments?

Hello....any recommendations on size/brand of heaters for a 210 gallon saltwater fish only setup? The aquarium is going to be in a room that is usually 72°-75° F year-round (heat and AC). I initially thought 2 300w heater....any particular brand to stay away from? Thanks in advance!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16473	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?

I'm no expert on what heater you should get, but I am an expert on WEIRD accidents, so whatever brand you get, make sure it is fully immersible.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16474	From: red-eye	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?

I have been running the same Ebojaggers non stop, for more than 15 years! red-eye At 06:09 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >I'm no expert on what heater you should get, but I am an expert on >WEIRD accidents, so whatever brand you get, make sure it is fully >immersible. > > > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16475	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?

----- Original Message ----- From: "wantvws" <rml1963@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater comments? Hello....any recommendations on size/brand of heaters for a 210 gallon saltwater fish only setup? The aquarium is going to be in a room that is usually 72°-75° F year-round (heat and AC). I initially thought 2 300w heater....any particular brand to stay away from? Thanks in advance!! Robbie i think a good controller would be the way to go, ranco makes a good one, as does aqualogic, there is a model that will control heater and chiller, and reduce your dependence on the heaters thermostat

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16476	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Reply

<http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> I am a new member and I understand that all new member emails are filtered prior to posting. I am not here to cause any problems and have found other fish groups to be very informative. I also own a very small business that manufactures holiday decorations for fish tanks. No one else does this and I wanted to submit my information to you for your review. If you allow it to be posted thank you and if not I understand and look forward to being an active member in the future. Here is our generic email information for your review. Tank <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> Trinkets is proud to introduce the first line of holiday decorations for fish/reptile tanks. Our products are handmade and painted in the USA and provide a new and unique opportunity for you to once again make your fish/reptile tank the conversation piece of your home or office. Traditionally you have not been able to decorate your fish tanks for each holiday and this will allow you to do so. We have a full line of holiday themed products that will fit all sizes of fish/reptile tanks. Please visit our website, www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> , and fish around. Please feel free to contact us with any questions at our website by clicking on the more info button or calling us at (818) 974-4454. Tanks a lot for your consideration and have a swimmingly fine day. Shane Hoggard shane@... www.tanktrinkets.com (818) 974-4454 Mobile [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16477	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?

How much warmer are you going to keep the tank than the room? If you are looking to keep the tank at 75^o F, then you only need to cope with a maximum of 3^o difference which takes a lot less than if you want or need the tank to be 80^o F which means a maximum 8^o difference. It is a smart thing to consider at least two heaters. That way, if they are sized right a failure of one heater does not mean you will be making bouillabaisse or you give yourself a chance to replace a heater without the temperature falling too far from the desired temperature. \\Steve// ----- Original Message ----- From: "wantvws" <rml1963@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater comments? Hello....any recommendations on size/brand of heaters for a 210 gallon saltwater fish only setup? The aquarium is going to be in a room that is usually 72°-75° F year-round (heat and AC). I initially thought 2 300w heater....any particular brand to stay away from? Thanks in advance!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16478	From: Robbie Lawson	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Heater comments?

Steve Szabo wrote: > How much warmer are you going to keep the tank than the room? If you are > looking to keep the tank at 75^o F, then you only need to cope with a > maximum of 3^o difference which takes a lot less than if you want or need > the tank to be 80^o F which means a maximum 8^o difference. > > It is a smart thing to consider at least two heaters. That way, if > they are > sized right a failure of one heater does not mean you will be making > bouillabaisse or you give yourself a chance to replace a heater > without the > temperature falling too far from the desired temperature. > > \\Steve// > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wantvws" <rml1963@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:33 PM > Subject: [AquaticLife] Heater comments? > > > Hello....any recommendations on size/brand of heaters for a 210 gallon > saltwater fish only setup? The aquarium is going to be in a room that > is usually 72°-75° F year-round (heat and AC). I initially thought 2 > 300w heater....any particular brand to stay away from? > Thanks in advance!! > Robbie > > > Thanks for all of the advice...I guess the tank will be kept around > 78° (?) so I'm looking at a maximum change of 6°.....will 2 300w > heaters be enough? Any particular brand I should keep away from? Thanks so much ! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16479	From: harry perry	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Cichlid fans.

Turn on your sound and enjoy. www.fishaholics.org/movies/lakefish_002.wmv Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16480	From: harry perry	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Cichlid fans. The correct link.

www.fishaholics.org/movies/lakefis_0002.wmv. Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16481	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: Cichlid fans. The correct link.

Try this one instead. At least it worked for me www.fishaholics.org/movies/lakefish_0002.wmv Rob At 02:18 PM 2/3/2006 -0800, you wrote: >www.fishaholics.org/movies/lakefish_0002.wmv. > >Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > >--------------------------------- >Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16482	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: MUD system

For Indoor and outdoor. it's very simple and easy, just put the MUD on the SUMP and layer with sand and plated with sea grass. and you can decor ur sump like aquascaping in fresh water. I put seahorse,....so i have 2 tank 1 is main tank,...and 1 for aquascaping in line with sump. and u can show ur sump also,...and beauty cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: I'v never heard of such a thing...for an indoor tank, anyway. Tell us more? > Anyone have experience in MUD filtration system in Marine Aquariium? <º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16483	From: Roy Difuntorum	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: my pet shark

can anybody help me here? i have a black fresh water shark which i don't know what species it belongs. i don't even know how it is scientifically called. it's easily agitated everytime for some reason i sure would like to know. i wanna know more about my pet. it was my dad's. he left it after he passed away. the male pair died during an accident while the tank is being cleaned. wish i know more about this one. :) tnx --roy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16484	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Jebo Heaters

Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16485	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: my pet shark

Probably _Labeo chrysophekadion_. Will grow to more than 35" total length in the wild, smaller in aquaria. Check out at http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/503.htm or http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0538&vi ew_records=1 (in case this link wraps, use this one http://tinyurl.com/br6ut). \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Difuntorum Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:27 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] re: my pet shark can anybody help me here? i have a black fresh water shark which i don't know what species it belongs. i don't even know how it is scientifically called. it's easily agitated everytime for some reason i sure would like to know. i wanna know more about my pet. it was my dad's. he left it after he passed away. the male pair died during an accident while the tank is being cleaned. wish i know more about this one. :) tnx --roy Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16486	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Color variations w/ lighting?

My fish are really brilliantly colored,but when I turn the light on they pale after an hour or so. The orange ones turn whitish pink, the firemouths bellies whiten or pink up (one of them pales completely). I don't know what type of light is in there now, it came with the set up. Does this make a difference or is it rather the time of day? We mainly turn the light on in the evening as there is tons of natural light near the tank. (However I just turned the light on now at 7:20 and they are all brilliant. Usually by this time with the light on, they have paled.) Thanks for any info. Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16487	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

What is the website? I want to get some info about that brand and their products. Thanks! Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16488	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

Here you go http://www.jeboaquarium.com/ At 05:50 PM 2/5/2006 -0800, you wrote: >What is the website? I want to get some info about that brand and their products. Thanks! > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16489	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

Thanks man Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Here you go http://www.jeboaquarium.com/ At 05:50 PM 2/5/2006 -0800, you wrote: >What is the website? I want to get some info about that brand and their products. Thanks! > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16490	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

I use to own a jebo external filter with power head. In my own opinion, they work just as well as other more expensive brands with just one problem. Being made in China, like many products that come from my mother country (I am a pure Chinese born and raised in the Philippines), it has an 'expiration date'. I noticed a decrease in the power in the flow of water less than a year after I start using and threw it in out a few months later because it stopped working. The petshop owners said it can't be fixed and told me to buy a new one. My advise to you is this: If you want to economize(because China made products are really a LOT CHEAPER), maybe you should consider getting a spare heater in case it conks out on you in the middle of winter and you end up with a tank full of frozen fish. Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16491	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?

It may be the light you are providing. The coloration of fish is for camouflage, identification, and breeding. Your light may be sufficiently bright to cause the fish to wash out (the paling). If you do not have sufficient cover to help break up the light, this will happen. It may also happen if there is not enough cover for the fish provided by rocks, driftwood, plants, or other aquascaping techniques. Your focus, in the original message, was on your lighting. However, you have told us nothing about the rest of your set up. If you give us a bit more in the way of information on your fish and aquascaping, it would be easier for us to make suggestions. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Color variations w/ lighting? My fish are really brilliantly colored,but when I turn the light on they pale after an hour or so. The orange ones turn whitish pink, the firemouths bellies whiten or pink up (one of them pales completely). I don't know what type of light is in there now, it came with the set up. Does this make a difference or is it rather the time of day? We mainly turn the light on in the evening as there is tons of natural light near the tank. (However I just turned the light on now at 7:20 and they are all brilliant. Usually by this time with the light on, they have paled.) Thanks for any info. Leslie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16492	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

i don't know if this helps but i have jebo (odyssea) pc lights on all my 4 saltwater reef tanks & 3 of their skimmers & they all work very well. not sure if the heaters are comparable, but i like the brand from my experiences with it. Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I use to own a jebo external filter with power head. In my own opinion, they work just as well as other more expensive brands with just one problem. Being made in China, like many products that come from my mother country (I am a pure Chinese born and raised in the Philippines), it has an 'expiration date'. I noticed a decrease in the power in the flow of water less than a year after I start using and threw it in out a few months later because it stopped working. The petshop owners said it can't be fixed and told me to buy a new one. My advise to you is this: If you want to economize(because China made products are really a LOT CHEAPER), maybe you should consider getting a spare heater in case it conks out on you in the middle of winter and you end up with a tank full of frozen fish. Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16493	From: Ivan White (Aqua-Hobbyist)	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

HI, I was going to buy some odyssea products and wrote them twice about their products, they never answered me and there business practices are as far as I am concerned miserable at best. Now I would not buy anything from them. Just my opinion of course, Ivan aqua-hobbyist@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Valeen Gonzalez To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Jebo Heaters i don't know if this helps but i have jebo (odyssea) pc lights on all my 4 saltwater reef tanks & 3 of their skimmers & they all work very well. not sure if the heaters are comparable, but i like the brand from my experiences with it. Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I use to own a jebo external filter with power head. In my own opinion, they work just as well as other more expensive brands with just one problem. Being made in China, like many products that come from my mother country (I am a pure Chinese born and raised in the Philippines), it has an 'expiration date'. I noticed a decrease in the power in the flow of water less than a year after I start using and threw it in out a few months later because it stopped working. The petshop owners said it can't be fixed and told me to buy a new one. My advise to you is this: If you want to economize(because China made products are really a LOT CHEAPER), maybe you should consider getting a spare heater in case it conks out on you in the middle of winter and you end up with a tank full of frozen fish. Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16494	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?

There isn't much if any aquascaping. Every time I tried that, the blood parrots & firemouth tore it apart and everyone then became very territorial & aggressive. You can see a picture of the tank (if I didn't remove it) under the blood parrots album. If it isn't there, I will post another tomorrow. The light is direct on the water, there isn't a cover underneath it. Looks like I might be getting one. I've been meaning to get plexi cut as there are some small spaces that the current "covering" does not reach. The fish can't get out of the small spaces (well never say never, but not likely) but it does cause evaporation more quickly than I would like. ~Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Color variations w/ lighting? It may be the light you are providing. The coloration of fish is for camouflage, identification, and breeding. Your light may be sufficiently bright to cause the fish to wash out (the paling). If you do not have sufficient cover to help break up the light, this will happen. It may also happen if there is not enough cover for the fish provided by rocks, driftwood, plants, or other aquascaping techniques. Your focus, in the original message, was on your lighting. However, you have told us nothing about the rest of your set up. If you give us a bit more in the way of information on your fish and aquascaping, it would be easier for us to make suggestions.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16495	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Color variations w/ lighting?

I remember the tank. You'll need to get some driftwood and rockwork in there to give them some territorial markings and cover. If this does not do the job, they you will probably need to diffuse the light somehow. If you get one of those plastic light covers for the ceiling where fluorescent lights are installed, you may be able to cut it down to the size you need to fit your light fixture. If you are lucky, you may be able to fit it right in the fixture, but, most likely, you'll need to place it under the light fixture. If the light lifts out of the hood, you are that much ahead of the game since you would only need to cut it to fit the opening. If the light is not removable, you'll need to cut it to fit under the hood, and be held in place with the hood, silicone sealant (made for aquariums), or some other sort of attachment. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:19 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Color variations w/ lighting? There isn't much if any aquascaping. Every time I tried that, the blood parrots & firemouth tore it apart and everyone then became very territorial & aggressive. You can see a picture of the tank (if I didn't remove it) under the blood parrots album. If it isn't there, I will post another tomorrow. The light is direct on the water, there isn't a cover underneath it. Looks like I might be getting one. I've been meaning to get plexi cut as there are some small spaces that the current "covering" does not reach. The fish can't get out of the small spaces (well never say never, but not likely) but it does cause evaporation more quickly than I would like. ~Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:57 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Color variations w/ lighting? It may be the light you are providing. The coloration of fish is for camouflage, identification, and breeding. Your light may be sufficiently bright to cause the fish to wash out (the paling). If you do not have sufficient cover to help break up the light, this will happen. It may also happen if there is not enough cover for the fish provided by rocks, driftwood, plants, or other aquascaping techniques. Your focus, in the original message, was on your lighting. However, you have told us nothing about the rest of your set up. If you give us a bit more in the way of information on your fish and aquascaping, it would be easier for us to make suggestions.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16496	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

when it comes to heaters, buy the best. (you only have to lose a tank full of synodontis petricola fry once to learn this, as i did) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeen Gonzalez" <valeendgonzalez@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Jebo Heaters i don't know if this helps but i have jebo (odyssea) pc lights on all my 4 saltwater reef tanks & 3 of their skimmers & they all work very well. not sure if the heaters are comparable, but i like the brand from my experiences with it. Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I use to own a jebo external filter with power head. In my own opinion, they work just as well as other more expensive brands with just one problem. Being made in China, like many products that come from my mother country (I am a pure Chinese born and raised in the Philippines), it has an 'expiration date'. I noticed a decrease in the power in the flow of water less than a year after I start using and threw it in out a few months later because it stopped working. The petshop owners said it can't be fixed and told me to buy a new one. My advise to you is this: If you want to economize(because China made products are really a LOT CHEAPER), maybe you should consider getting a spare heater in case it conks out on you in the middle of winter and you end up with a tank full of frozen fish. Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: Forgive the cross post but I figured this would get the most replies, either on list or off, makes no difference to me. I am looking for a new heater or two and found I can get a great deal on a Jebo heater. I have found the company website and they manufacture/sell a lot of aquarium equipment. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. I know lots of people swear by Jagar, but for the price of one of those, I can get 3 Jebos, so even if they only last 1/3 as long, I am no further ahead or behind. Thanks groupies and groupettes Rob --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] valeendgonzalez@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16497	From: wantvws	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin E Boyle" <kvnbyl@...> wrote: > > when it comes to heaters, buy the best. (you only have to lose a tank full > of synodontis petricola fry once to learn this, as i did) Any particular brands that are the best? Is Marineland decent? Thanks! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16498	From: Kevin E Boyle	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Jebo Heaters

i would have to go with jaegers. i have a couple that are 10 yrs old and still work ----- Original Message ----- From: "wantvws" <rml1963@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Jebo Heaters --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin E Boyle" <kvnbyl@...> wrote: > > when it comes to heaters, buy the best. (you only have to lose a tank full > of synodontis petricola fry once to learn this, as i did) Any particular brands that are the best? Is Marineland decent? Thanks! Robbie Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16499	From: Aranel	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: lonely goldfish?

Hi everyone. It's been a looong time since I've asked any questions, and I'm not sure how important this one is, but it's been nagging at me for a while. I have a 2 1/2 inch fantail calico goldfish living in a 29 gallon tall unheated tank. He's the only goldfish, but there are six cory cats sharing the tank with him. There is one 29 gallon filter, and two fifteen gallon filters running on it. It's got small gravel in the middle of the tank with sand around the edges for the cories to root around in, lots of artificial plants, and a small air stone in one corner. So, I've had this goldfish for about two years (I got him when was very tiny.) and one thing that's always bothered me is that he seems, well, lonely. Even though the water quality was always perfect and I feed him many different types of food (a couple of different brands of flakes, blood worms, tubifex worms, lettuce, cucumbers, zucchini, algae wafflers, and sometimes peas...) he just sat around and seemed bored. I thought about getting him a friend, but the only place to get fish in my area is at Wal-Mart and they don't alway look great. In fact, when I got him, he had to stay in the hospital tank for a couple of months to get rid of a bad case of ick and fin rot. So when I can't find any sign of disease, I moved some of my cory cats in with him and he really took to them. They're pretty active all the time, and now he is too, but he's still always at the bottom of the tank. The only difference is that now he's moving around with them. All of the other goldfish I've ever had stayed pretty much around in the middle of the tank. Does he just like the bottom? I'm hesitant to get another goldfish because I don't want to over crowd this tank, and I have no room for any more big tanks. He's still pretty small, but I want him to have loads of room to grow and flourish. I guess what I'm really asking, should I just leave it alone? He does seem to really love those cory cats, and it's pretty cute to see him and the biggest one sitting head to head with the little ones all gathered around. Also, I've never seen anyone keep cories with goldfish before, will it be all right to keep them together? I've had them that way for over a year, but I just want to make sure. -Ara

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16500	From: tigerfizh�	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: BREEDING ZEBRA DANIOS :)

hi everyone!! :) are you one of those who breeds zebra danios? can you help me? whats the easiest and fastest way to prepare for breeding of zebra danios? :) thanks so much for your interest and reply . tigerfizh --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16501	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: lonely goldfish?

Ara, I'd not say that a goldfish gets lonely. I would say that they can get bored, though. I'd also be concerned that he is resting at the bottom of the tank most times. One thing that also concerns me, and may be part of the problem is the amount of water flow you have going through your tank. It may just be too much for the goldfish to handle, and his bottom resting is a result of this. Remove the two 15 gallon filters and just use the 29 gallon filter. You should be fine. If the fellow gets up and moving, you have resolved the problem. Another thing I might do is to move things around in the tank every so often. You do not have to do it wholesale, maybe just a couple of your plastic plants just to keep his curiosity up. The diet you are feeding sounds good, just don't overdo it. Goldfish are temperate water fish. Cores are tropical water fish. The two should not be mixed. Generally the goldfish would prefer cooler temperatures, the cories higher. Also, the two are subject to different diseases and have different immunities. Something that might not faze your goldfish may devastate your cory population and the same holds the other way around. The two should not be mixed, but people do it all the time with rarely a problem. Your goldfish probably has about an other 31/2" to grow. When that happens, the twenty-nine will be his and his alone. If you want to get him a buddy, then you'd be looking at 55 gallon tank, at least, somewhere down the road for the two of them. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aranel Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:34 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] lonely goldfish? Hi everyone. It's been a looong time since I've asked any questions, and I'm not sure how important this one is, but it's been nagging at me for a while. I have a 2 1/2 inch fantail calico goldfish living in a 29 gallon tall unheated tank. He's the only goldfish, but there are six cory cats sharing the tank with him. There is one 29 gallon filter, and two fifteen gallon filters running on it. It's got small gravel in the middle of the tank with sand around the edges for the cories to root around in, lots of artificial plants, and a small air stone in one corner. So, I've had this goldfish for about two years (I got him when was very tiny.) and one thing that's always bothered me is that he seems, well, lonely. Even though the water quality was always perfect and I feed him many different types of food (a couple of different brands of flakes, blood worms, tubifex worms, lettuce, cucumbers, zucchini, algae wafflers, and sometimes peas...) he just sat around and seemed bored. I thought about getting him a friend, but the only place to get fish in my area is at Wal-Mart and they don't alway look great. In fact, when I got him, he had to stay in the hospital tank for a couple of months to get rid of a bad case of ick and fin rot. So when I can't find any sign of disease, I moved some of my cory cats in with him and he really took to them. They're pretty active all the time, and now he is too, but he's still always at the bottom of the tank. The only difference is that now he's moving around with them. All of the other goldfish I've ever had stayed pretty much around in the middle of the tank. Does he just like the bottom? I'm hesitant to get another goldfish because I don't want to over crowd this tank, and I have no room for any more big tanks. He's still pretty small, but I want him to have loads of room to grow and flourish. I guess what I'm really asking, should I just leave it alone? He does seem to really love those cory cats, and it's pretty cute to see him and the biggest one sitting head to head with the little ones all gathered around. Also, I've never seen anyone keep cories with goldfish before, will it be all right to keep them together? I've had them that way for over a year, but I just want to make sure. -Ara

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16502	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: ADA Aqua Soil - Amazonia

I had never really heard about this until now and what puzzles me is that I am unable to find any good information regarding this substrate. Is it like other soil based stuff (Latarite, Top Soil, Loam, tetra aquatic compost etc.) That has to be topped with gravel or sand or is this the one that can be mixed with ADA Power sand and used as a normal substrate? Can any one point me to some links? Thanks, Nim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16503	From: fish_guru2001	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: my favorite fish forum

my favorite fish forum hello aqua friends, its me again, i was just wondering what you thought about this new pet forum? http://petworldforum.com i am on messenger if you wan tot chat fish guru

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16504	From: Joe Beaudry	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Newbie

Howdy Folks! I just wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myslef. My name is Joe and I live in Bastrop, Texas which is near Austin. Anyone in this group in my neck of the woods? I have no fish for I am still in the research phase. I don't want to kill my fish when I do get my setup so I am picking any and all sources of information I can. Thanks Joe

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16505	From: Sandy	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Hi, I have a powder blue gourmi who has a place on his side he has been rubbing against. It doesn't look cottony or infected but the skin is scraped you can see that and maybe a little reddened it doesn't really look that bad. I would hate to lose him. Occasionally I have seen him rub it so could be a parasite. What I don't know is there anything I can put in there without destroying my good bacteria? I've added a small amount of aquarium salt and the temp is 80. I just don't know about medications and have always felt it better not to use. Thank you for any advice you might have, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16506	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

Welcome to the group Joe. I am originally from Texas, Plano, but live in Los Angeles now. You will love the group and learn a ton while having some fun. Do you know what type of tank you want to set up? Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Beaudry Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie Howdy Folks! I just wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myslef. My name is Joe and I live in Bastrop, Texas which is near Austin. Anyone in this group in my neck of the woods? I have no fish for I am still in the research phase. I don't want to kill my fish when I do get my setup so I am picking any and all sources of information I can. Thanks Joe Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16507	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Those fish are beautiful. Do you have any pictures of the area that we could view? They may help some in determining what is going on with you fish. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Gourmi? spelling not sure Hi, I have a powder blue gourmi who has a place on his side he has been rubbing against. It doesn't look cottony or infected but the skin is scraped you can see that and maybe a little reddened it doesn't really look that bad. I would hate to lose him. Occasionally I have seen him rub it so could be a parasite. What I don't know is there anything I can put in there without destroying my good bacteria? I've added a small amount of aquarium salt and the temp is 80. I just don't know about medications and have always felt it better not to use. Thank you for any advice you might have, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16508	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Shane

That is a good idea. I have a digital camera, haven't tried taking a picture of a fish in a tank. Will try that. If I get one, do I sent it as an attachment? Thanks for your message, Sandy Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Those fish are beautiful. Do you have any pictures of the area that we could view? They may help some in determining what is going on with you fish. Shane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16509	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Shane

You can send it as an attachment or put it into the group picture section. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:32 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Shane That is a good idea. I have a digital camera, haven't tried taking a picture of a fish in a tank. Will try that. If I get one, do I sent it as an attachment? Thanks for your message, Sandy Subject: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Those fish are beautiful. Do you have any pictures of the area that we could view? They may help some in determining what is going on with you fish. Shane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16510	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Crooked Swimmer

I have a firemouth that is swimming crooked. He tilts to his right almost constantly. This has been going on now for at least 4 days and he is not straightening up at all. In fact I think it is worse. He eats and swims fine so far. Anything I should watch out for or treat? Everyone else in the tank is great. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16511	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Crooked Swimmer

I have had this problem before and one of two things has happened in my experience. One they turn it around and are fine and two well you do not want to know that answer. I wish I had more advice for you. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:16 AM To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Crooked Swimmer I have a firemouth that is swimming crooked. He tilts to his right almost constantly. This has been going on now for at least 4 days and he is not straightening up at all. In fact I think it is worse. He eats and swims fine so far. Anything I should watch out for or treat? Everyone else in the tank is great. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16512	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Crooked Swimmer

id guess internal parasite..... check it out. Tank Trinkets <shane@...> wrote: I have had this problem before and one of two things has happened in my experience. One they turn it around and are fine and two well you do not want to know that answer. I wish I had more advice for you. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:16 AM To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Crooked Swimmer I have a firemouth that is swimming crooked. He tilts to his right almost constantly. This has been going on now for at least 4 days and he is not straightening up at all. In fact I think it is worse. He eats and swims fine so far. Anything I should watch out for or treat? Everyone else in the tank is great. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16513	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Whoa! More fish swimming crooked

OK this sucks. Now my two kissing gouramis are very much swimming on their side. Almost completely flipped. Please tell me what might be causing this. I fed an antiparisitc food tonight. I'll keep them hungry tomorrow then feed it again tomorrow night IF that will help. ANY experience/ideas welcomed! Please? Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16514	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. Thank you in advance, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16515	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 14 February 2006 14:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16516	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Sandy, While I'm not saying definitely that this is your problem, you might want to start by changing your de-chloramine. Recently, Kordon re-formulated their Amquel (which is now called Amquel+) and many people are having trouble with it. I'm not trying to knock Kordon as they're a fine company which puts out great products, but it seems you need to be more careful with Amquel+. While there are general directions for its use, the amount of chloramines in your water (which can vary from season to season) really dictates hoiw much Amquel+ is safe to use, as its very easy to overdose this stuff, as has apparently been happening with some hobbyists. I'd recommend going to another product such as Ammo Lock. Best of luck, Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kay" <knightwriter101@...> wrote: > > I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The > tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was > even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the > water. > > I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the > water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner > I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of > filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the > water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular > line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be > decent. > > Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was > fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the > above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I > looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was > a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They > were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick > on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, > add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are > starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live > long. > > And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be > he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a > scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was > already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a > pet. > > If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't > see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I > get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this > happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon > tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no > eggy odor and until this whatever happens. > > I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but > usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. > > Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get > bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But > the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. > Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has > been going for a good year now. > > Thank you in advance, Sandy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16517	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Sandy, I'm with Nim on the water conditioner. Simple is better & amquel isn't simple. It interferes with what would happen naturally. Also, your tank is a 10 gallon. What other fish are in there? I'm sorry about your gourami. Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. Thank you in advance, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16518	From: harry perry	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.

I've been using Stress Coat and Stress Zyne for years and have never had a problem. Sorry to hear about your fish. Harry Nimish Mathur <nimmat4@...> wrote: Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 14 February 2006 14:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16519	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.

i've used prime and novaqua+ in the past with no problems. right now i'm using stress coat with no problems. --- harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > I've been using Stress Coat and Stress Zyne for > years and have never had a problem. Sorry to hear > about your fish. > > Harry > > Nimish Mathur <nimmat4@...> wrote: > Sandy, > > Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really > your fault there but you > have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO > is not something very > useful for water changes as it works against the > way bacteria are supposed > to work. > > You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of > handling large bacterial > colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's > playing havoc with it. > > Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the > first thing to do is to > change the water conditioner you use. Try using > Stress Coat or Seachem Prime > or something similar that does not bind ammonia and > is more trusted then the > others. > > Nim > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sandy Kay > Sent: 14 February 2006 14:14 > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not > sure > > > > I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that > was true about him. The > tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at > that time. The gourmi was > even starting to come up and take food from my > fingers at the top of the > water. > > I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water > changes by putting the > water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and > NovAqua+ water conditioner > I even called the company and they said to make > sure there is plenty of > filter movement when adding. I do this and > everything else. I even leave the > water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just > water from our regular > line it is not water softener either. Our water > here is supposed to be > decent. > > Anyway, I make a water change every week or week > and a half. Everything was > fine for a good couple months and then it happened > again. I did all the > above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. > The fish too. Then I > looked no more than an hour later and the fish were > acting up and their was > a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria > bed was destroyed. They > were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were > showing white cottony ick > on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've > tried doing water changes, > add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this > anyway. Some are > starting to look better but they are stressed and > probably will not live > long. > > And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi > dead. I knew he would be > he was already stressed. The place on his side > before this was just like a > scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course > after this happens he was > already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me > sad he was getting to be a > pet. > > If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what > is happening, I don't > see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen > every 2 or 3 months. I > get new fish in there and they are so pretty and > healthy and then this > happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. > BTW, it is a 10 gallon > tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well > the smell was right, no > eggy odor and until this whatever happens. > > I also have only all live plants. They do very well > and will suffer some but > usually come out of it as the water good bacteria > builds back up. > > Does anyone know anything I can do to make this > stop. Hopefully I won't get > bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I > know I am somewhat. But > the one thing I can say is that I know for several > months it does fine. > Using the same everything. And then bam, it does > this again. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16520	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Whoa! More fish swimming crooked

One of my goldfish was having the same problem that you describe and I fed it a blood worm and the next day it was fine. I hope that helps a little. Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16521	From: dragonman_999	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Beginning

I am not a big time pro on fish or aquatic animals, or really even a "big hobbiest" although I someday hope to be. I need advice on starting an aquarium, preferrably 90 gallons to 150 gallons. I do have some goldfish and newts, as well as a turtle, 4 snakes, 2 dogs, and a horse. I would really appreciate any advice on fish, aquariums, or whatever. Thanks Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16522	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

Nim, What Amquel does is not remove the ammonia, as it appears you think, but it makes the ammonia non-toxic to fish, yet leaves it available for the bacteria to utilize. I'd trust Amquel over the others you mention, and any other products meant to neutralize ammonia. I haven't really been following this thread, but it may be that there is a problem with the water, but until Sandy can provide us with measurements of his tap water pre-water conditioners, we can only speculate. One thing I can say right off is that if Amquel is being used, there is no need to use Novaqua as well. Once we know what the water is to start, then we would need to know what the water is like in the tank. Sandy seems to be using sense of smell for a measuring stick, and if that is the standard, I'd probably not want to drink any water around that house. Water can contain a lot of stuff that does not have an odor, and some of those things could drop you in far less time than the fish took to succumb to the problem, if it was a water quality problem. If we can point a finger to a water parameter, we can resolve the issue. If all parameters are within reasonable limits, then we can start looking for another causative factor. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nimish Mathur Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:34 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 14 February 2006 14:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. Thank you in advance, Sandy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16523	From: Richard Troon	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Fluval vs Sump

Hi: I'm about to buy a new 125 gallon tank. I'm debating about whether to install a sump system or use a Fluval filter system. If I choose the latter, I'm debating between two of the "old style" Fluvals (such as the 304) or the new, just-on-the-market system (I think it's something like an x505---it comes in a yellow box!). Any info on pros/cons of these options and opinions on which to choose? RJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16524	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

You are using both? Is there a reason you need to use both? I am not saying that they are a cause of any harm in your tank but it seems like overkill to use both at the same time. Personally the Amquel + has a smell that makes me ill, but I do use regular Amquel. I also use the NovAqua + w/water conditioner which I really like. BUt I only use one product at a time on water changes. I just did a 40 percent water chang in a 55 gallon and added the NovAqua plus right before I added the water, as I do most of the time. So far no sick fish. In a message dated 2/14/2006 6:15:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, knightwriter101@... writes: I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16525	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Pale Firemouth, Dead Eheim

Good grief. Now my large firemouth is almost white. He swims and eats fine, he's just VERY pale. So is the smaller one. My Eheim went off two days ago. But I still have bio wheel, penguin, and I assume that will do that job. The bio wheel is for a maximum of 75 gallons and that is what I have. Could the pale be from a little stress due to the eheim going out? I know this is less filtration but it should be adequate. I can't get the eheim fixed until March. Should I buy another filter for the back in the meantime? Ugh. =) Please let me know. I don't want to risk my fishies. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16526	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy

Thank you for so many replies. I kept my original message with this reply so it wouldn't get confusing. I hope it is not too long. The great thing is several people online told me to use these two products, Amquel, but obviously something is wrong. I love the fish tank and want to keep it going. Am I understanding right to use stress coat and stress zyme and that is all and if I am doing everything right the tank should run right. I don't need to use anything to remove ammonia from the tap water before adding to tank. What about chloramines? Thank you all again, Sandy Subject: RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16527	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy

Sandy, Stresscoat will detoxify Chloramines as well but this is of concern only if your water supplier treats water with chloramines. Find out from them. Bacteria develop in the tank that can handle ammonia better then any ammonia removing or detoxifying product. I would use only 1 chemical in the tank and that is a water conditioner like Stresscoat or Seachem Prime or Tetra Aqua safe etc. that does not claim to detoxify or remove ammonia. DO not use multiple products as they may in certain occasions act against each other. what ever you use, use only one. I vote Seachem Prime as its much more economical to use and also treats for chloramines. stresscoat is brilliant but in the long run works out to be a bit more expensive.. stresszyme is an enzyme that helps create a friendly environment for the beneficial bacteria and also aids in disintegrating the waste for bacteria to consume (in basic non technical words). Use stresszyme for a couple of months from now if you change your water conditioner as it will help settle the tan quicker. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 15 February 2006 13:40 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy Thank you for so many replies. I kept my original message with this reply so it wouldn't get confusing. I hope it is not too long. The great thing is several people online told me to use these two products, Amquel, but obviously something is wrong. I love the fish tank and want to keep it going. Am I understanding right to use stress coat and stress zyme and that is all and if I am doing everything right the tank should run right. I don't need to use anything to remove ammonia from the tap water before adding to tank. What about chloramines? Thank you all again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16528	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure

I agree Steve that Amquel etc. do detoxify Ammonia rather then remove it but this detoxified ammonia (that is converted into Ammonium salts) can revert back to ammonia in case of severe PH swings. I am myself not sure that I will rely on chemicals to bind ammonia into non toxic ammonium. Bacteria may use it up eventually but I think bacteria in reality uses up Basic ammonical nitrogen and not the ionic form. I may be wrong on this but if this is so, then we are just gaining time before a disaster that converts the already converted ammonium ions back to ammonia to occur. What happened to Sandy was that his/her (unsure) tank suddenly started to give bad smell just a couple of hours after a water change. The only thing I could think of (other then an outside chemical intoxicating the water) was that for some reason there was too much ammonia or there were a lot of anaerobic processes in the sand (which is also very likely .. probably more likely then ammonia) were released and that let out various gasses that the fish should have come across like Hydrogen sulphide (H2S) etc. Question is what could be blamed here? It was not a very old tank that the gravel could have developed such anaerobic processes such that could poison the fish but then again it could very well have. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: 15 February 2006 00:47 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Nim, What Amquel does is not remove the ammonia, as it appears you think, but it makes the ammonia non-toxic to fish, yet leaves it available for the bacteria to utilize. I'd trust Amquel over the others you mention, and any other products meant to neutralize ammonia. I haven't really been following this thread, but it may be that there is a problem with the water, but until Sandy can provide us with measurements of his tap water pre-water conditioners, we can only speculate. One thing I can say right off is that if Amquel is being used, there is no need to use Novaqua as well. Once we know what the water is to start, then we would need to know what the water is like in the tank. Sandy seems to be using sense of smell for a measuring stick, and if that is the standard, I'd probably not want to drink any water around that house. Water can contain a lot of stuff that does not have an odor, and some of those things could drop you in far less time than the fish took to succumb to the problem, if it was a water quality problem. If we can point a finger to a water parameter, we can resolve the issue. If all parameters are within reasonable limits, then we can start looking for another causative factor. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nimish Mathur Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:34 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 14 February 2006 14:14 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16529	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy

Sandy, Another thing that occurred to me was that if the water smelt very bad within a couple of hours.. it could indicate a lot of mulm or gasses released by the gravel?? Could this have happened? When you do water changes, do you vacuum the gravel as well? Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nimish Mathur Sent: 15 February 2006 14:34 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy Sandy, Stresscoat will detoxify Chloramines as well but this is of concern only if your water supplier treats water with chloramines. Find out from them. Bacteria develop in the tank that can handle ammonia better then any ammonia removing or detoxifying product. I would use only 1 chemical in the tank and that is a water conditioner like Stresscoat or Seachem Prime or Tetra Aqua safe etc. that does not claim to detoxify or remove ammonia. DO not use multiple products as they may in certain occasions act against each other. what ever you use, use only one. I vote Seachem Prime as its much more economical to use and also treats for chloramines. stresscoat is brilliant but in the long run works out to be a bit more expensive.. stresszyme is an enzyme that helps create a friendly environment for the beneficial bacteria and also aids in disintegrating the waste for bacteria to consume (in basic non technical words). Use stresszyme for a couple of months from now if you change your water conditioner as it will help settle the tan quicker. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 15 February 2006 13:40 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy Thank you for so many replies. I kept my original message with this reply so it wouldn't get confusing. I hope it is not too long. The great thing is several people online told me to use these two products, Amquel, but obviously something is wrong. I love the fish tank and want to keep it going. Am I understanding right to use stress coat and stress zyme and that is all and if I am doing everything right the tank should run right. I don't need to use anything to remove ammonia from the tap water before adding to tank. What about chloramines? Thank you all again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16530	From: grimwulff	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.

Sandy how often are you feeding your fish? any signs of red streaks running through fins(bright blood vessels)? if overfeeding this could cause the ammonia levels to rise very high at a certain point this causes the pH to drop which inturn can cause the ammonia to be temp. neutralized until a water change raises the pH rereleasing the ammonia. this could also be the cause of your odors (sulfur dioxide). fish are mostly opportunity feeders, meaning they will eat as often as there is food available, this being much more than they need to survive and thrive. if feeding flake food (average community fish) I would recommend 1-2 small flakes per quarter size fish every other day, flake food swells to 3 times its original size when it hits the fishes stomach (try and imagine the size of your fishes stomach). overeaten food passes through the fish mostly undigested and turns almost directly to ammonia. Companions of Grimwulff Gary Todd "Rufus" Barr - Owner 730 CR315 Rockdale, TX 76567 512-446-7931 www.grimwulff.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16531	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Pale Firemouth, Dead Eheim

use biological bakteria, for water treatmen. Leslie & Dane Moore <5moores@...> wrote: Good grief. Now my large firemouth is almost white. He swims and eats fine, he's just VERY pale. So is the smaller one. My Eheim went off two days ago. But I still have bio wheel, penguin, and I assume that will do that job. The bio wheel is for a maximum of 75 gallons and that is what I have. Could the pale be from a little stress due to the eheim going out? I know this is less filtration but it should be adequate. I can't get the eheim fixed until March. Should I buy another filter for the back in the meantime? Ugh. =) Please let me know. I don't want to risk my fishies. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16532	From: dragonman_999	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: goldfish stress

I just moved my goldfish to a ten gallon aquarium to get them away from the comets (I have two goldfish which were in an aquarium with 5 comets, and the goldfish are a decent size for a ten gallon) to remove stress but the are showing signs of more stress. If I understand right the goldfish get red lines in their tails if they're stress and one of the two has those. What can I do to reduce it? Unfortunatly I have to keep them in a high traffic area because I have no where else to put them. I am totally stumped on this one. Thanks Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16533	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: goldfish stress

Red lines in their tails is more likely ammonia poisoning. Was the new tank cycled? Typically, goldfish require a minimum of 10 gallons apiece and 20 gallons minimum for just one. Have you checked your water for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates? I have found my goldfish actually love to be somewhere busy -- they're constantly hamming it up and begging from anyone who'll listen. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16534	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy

Sandy, Amquel will neutralize both ammonia and chlorine. It can be used when chloramines are present as it breaks the bond between the chlorine and ammonia, then neutralizes both. If one looks at the data sheets for both products in the Kordon section of the Novalek site, they are a bit misleading. The fellow who invented both, John Farrell Kuhns (JFK), has explained to me how they both work, though the details are a bit fuzzy in my memory now. They can be used in conjunction with each other, if needed, as Novaqua will also help the fish produce a healthier slime coat, useful for new additions to your collection. I do not know anything of the Plus versions of these products, and have not communicated with JFK about them. Still, we know very little of your tank prior to and during the episode you describe. You have not posted anything about the water parameters that I have seen, which could be crucial elements in determining what happened. You mentioned an odor to the water when things started heading south in the tank, but do not describe the odor, which could be another big clue. You mentioned live plants, and the gourami in a 10 gallon tank. You mention other fish, but nothing about them. To me, the water temperature seems a bit high for normal fish keeping, but there may be a reason you have for it. The "cottony ick" you describe on their fins and maybe the eyes is not ich. It is a fungus and was able to get a foothold once the fish became stressed. It may well have been on the fish prior to the disaster, and given the right combination it can grow quite rapidly. At the very least, we should know the fish that were in your aquarium, and their sizes, the pH, ammonia, nitrate and nitrite reading of the water, before and during the episode, and exactly what was done prior to the episode. The odor you smelled is also important as is the water temperature, which you have given to us, along with the tank size. Without this information, there will be a lot of conjecture, and the answers arrived at may not fit your situation. You need to help us a bit before we can help you. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure ~ Sandy Thank you for so many replies. I kept my original message with this reply so it wouldn't get confusing. I hope it is not too long. The great thing is several people online told me to use these two products, Amquel, but obviously something is wrong. I love the fish tank and want to keep it going. Am I understanding right to use stress coat and stress zyme and that is all and if I am doing everything right the tank should run right. I don't need to use anything to remove ammonia from the tap water before adding to tank. What about chloramines? Thank you all again, Sandy Subject: RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure Sandy, Sorry to hear about your loss and its not really your fault there but you have been advised incorrectly I think. Amquel+ IMO is not something very useful for water changes as it works against the way bacteria are supposed to work. You have a biowheel filter that alone is capable of handling large bacterial colonies.. its probably just the Amquel+ that's playing havoc with it. Even if it was not Amquel, I would suggest the first thing to do is to change the water conditioner you use. Try using Stress Coat or Seachem Prime or something similar that does not bind ammonia and is more trusted then the others. Nim _____ I am so upset. When I wrote about the gourmi that was true about him. The tank was fine everyone was eating and healthy at that time. The gourmi was even starting to come up and take food from my fingers at the top of the water. I don't know why this happens to me. I do my water changes by putting the water in two 1 gallon jugs and adding AmQuel+ and NovAqua+ water conditioner I even called the company and they said to make sure there is plenty of filter movement when adding. I do this and everything else. I even leave the water out overnight. It is not bottled water, just water from our regular line it is not water softener either. Our water here is supposed to be decent. Anyway, I make a water change every week or week and a half. Everything was fine for a good couple months and then it happened again. I did all the above as usual and the water smelled and seem fine. The fish too. Then I looked no more than an hour later and the fish were acting up and their was a bad odor in the water. So probably the bacteria bed was destroyed. They were hanging at the top and by next day, fins were showing white cottony ick on their fin and some their eyes are white. I've tried doing water changes, add salt, up the temp it has been at 80 before this anyway. Some are starting to look better but they are stressed and probably will not live long. And just this morning, of course I found the gourmi dead. I knew he would be he was already stressed. The place on his side before this was just like a scrape on his skin, not very large. Well of course after this happens he was already stressed and couldn't make it. It made me sad he was getting to be a pet. If I can't figure out what I am doing wrong or what is happening, I don't see what else to do but quit. This seems to happen every 2 or 3 months. I get new fish in there and they are so pretty and healthy and then this happens. I just can't keep doing this to the fish. BTW, it is a 10 gallon tank with a bio wheel filter. It works really well the smell was right, no eggy odor and until this whatever happens. I also have only all live plants. They do very well and will suffer some but usually come out of it as the water good bacteria builds back up. Does anyone know anything I can do to make this stop. Hopefully I won't get bombarded with being stupid about keeping a tank, I know I am somewhat. But the one thing I can say is that I know for several months it does fine. Using the same everything. And then bam, it does this again. The tank has been going for a good year now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16535	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

I use a Mardel test kit. Results are: ammonia 0.50 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 Total Hardness 250 Total Alkalinity/Buffering Capacity 0 pH below 6.4 The pH looks way off. Ammonia a little high. Nitrite looks good, rest I am not sure how to interpret. The reason I talk about odor is when I started using Amquel I like someone said, noticed the smell of it. The first time I used it, the tank a small amount of time later I thought smelled the same way. I called the company to ask questions. They said the smell didn't hurt anything or make a difference to the water. Said they would send another bottle to me as others had complained of same bad smell of Amquel and they had made a new one to have a more pleasant odor. While I talked to them, this person said he was the owner of the company. He said Novaqua was also a good product to use with the Amquel. I asked if okay to use both and he said yes, there were good conditioners in the Novaqua to use along with Amquel would be a good plan to follow. I did this for another 2 or 3 months until this happened. I am not sure if the ammonia gives an accurate reading when using Amquel. The pH also does not look right I know it is higher than that. I also do not know what to do from here. I am ready to hang it up. If you can give me any more instruction, I would certainly learn from it. Also thank you so much for all your response. You have been great in trying to help. Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16536	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

I forgot to answer a question asked. I do use a gravel cleaner each time. I cannot clean every area every time. I have several live plants and a piece of fake looking driftwood. No plastic plants. Is this right. Is there a correct way I am not doing? You should use a gravel cleaner each time, is that right? Thanks again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16537	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Sandy, I cannot comment on the Ammonia reading as I have heard people mention that with Amquel, many test kits give incorrect reading. I am not sure if Mardel is one of those. PH seems very low compared to total hardness which is very high. This is very off as usually GH goes hand in hand with KH and which works with the PH. It is also very clear that the company you talked to just wants to sell the product for money rather then benefit the consumer. As others have said that you don't need to use Novaqua and Amquel together but you had been advised the other way. I still suggest you change your water conditioner, do a large water change and use activated carbon in the filter for 4 weeks and then see how things proceed. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 16 February 2006 06:16 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy I use a Mardel test kit. Results are: ammonia 0.50 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 Total Hardness 250 Total Alkalinity/Buffering Capacity 0 pH below 6.4 The pH looks way off. Ammonia a little high. Nitrite looks good, rest I am not sure how to interpret. The reason I talk about odor is when I started using Amquel I like someone said, noticed the smell of it. The first time I used it, the tank a small amount of time later I thought smelled the same way. I called the company to ask questions. They said the smell didn't hurt anything or make a difference to the water. Said they would send another bottle to me as others had complained of same bad smell of Amquel and they had made a new one to have a more pleasant odor. While I talked to them, this person said he was the owner of the company. He said Novaqua was also a good product to use with the Amquel. I asked if okay to use both and he said yes, there were good conditioners in the Novaqua to use along with Amquel would be a good plan to follow. I did this for another 2 or 3 months until this happened. I am not sure if the ammonia gives an accurate reading when using Amquel. The pH also does not look right I know it is higher than that. I also do not know what to do from here. I am ready to hang it up. If you can give me any more instruction, I would certainly learn from it. Also thank you so much for all your response. You have been great in trying to help. Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16538	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

That's fine. What you are doing is correct :-) With Plants I myself cannot do a gravel vac of the entire gravel but if you do a little bit, it helps. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: 16 February 2006 07:05 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy cleaning gravel I forgot to answer a question asked. I do use a gravel cleaner each time. I cannot clean every area every time. I have several live plants and a piece of fake looking driftwood. No plastic plants. Is this right. Is there a correct way I am not doing? You should use a gravel cleaner each time, is that right? Thanks again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16539	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Hi again, Here is more information I forgot to send. I had 1 gourmi, 5 neon tetras, 2 guppies, 3 small rosy tetras, 1 small algae eater, 2 upside down catfish. The gourmi died, 2 neons died, 1 upside down cat died. I was sick about the upside cat, they had been in there since the tank was set up, a year ago. They are neat fish. The tank now is getting better, that bad odor is gone, all the fish that are left look pretty good. They are weakened and if this happens again know they will probably die. One rosy tetra has a balloon looking thing over one eye. The rest look pretty normal. Thanks so much again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16540	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: goldfish stress

When I get home I will check it out. I haven't done that yet. Thanks for the help, and my fish thank you as well. Thanks Mike seleya8@... wrote: Red lines in their tails is more likely ammonia poisoning. Was the new tank cycled? Typically, goldfish require a minimum of 10 gallons apiece and 20 gallons minimum for just one. Have you checked your water for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates? I have found my goldfish actually love to be somewhere busy -- they're constantly hamming it up and begging from anyone who'll listen. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16541	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: huge mistake

So I Have been in and out of town a lot this past year and even more so the past few months.. being that I clean my tank on a rush manor.. if I have two days back in town I try and do it right away so that I can make sure all is well with the fish... so being this I changed the water and cleaned the tank 9 days ago... after doing this I neglected to re plug in the heater.. I got back early this am and just now at 4pm noticed the tank temp at 64° not good but everything is alive.. I have tetras big snails, cories hatchet fish and I know im forgetting some but anyhow you get the idea.. so I put the temp up to 68° and I think ill go and raise it more later I just hope they all live I guess they were kinda hibernating.. Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16542	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

I have always heard that you should slowly raise the temp 2-4 degrees per day and to use the whole day to protect against stress, ich, etc. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of agentscullyeyore@... Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:06 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] huge mistake So I Have been in and out of town a lot this past year and even more so the past few months.. being that I clean my tank on a rush manor.. if I have two days back in town I try and do it right away so that I can make sure all is well with the fish... so being this I changed the water and cleaned the tank 9 days ago... after doing this I neglected to re plug in the heater.. I got back early this am and just now at 4pm noticed the tank temp at 64° not good but everything is alive.. I have tetras big snails, cories hatchet fish and I know im forgetting some but anyhow you get the idea.. so I put the temp up to 68° and I think ill go and raise it more later I just hope they all live I guess they were kinda hibernating.. Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16543	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

yea I know that when dealing with ich but maybe ill do that just in case as well and up the temp again tom.. so far they all seem fine Shannon I have always heard that you should slowly raise the temp 2-4 degrees per day and to use the whole day to protect against stress, ich, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16544	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

Hi Shannon, Sorry to hear about your heater being unplugged 9 days ago and not being plugged back in until this morning. I know I don't have to tell you to keep an eye out for Ich. If you do see any, you know what to do -- we went through this last year. I have never heard of raising the temperature no more than 2 o per day. I have found it perfectly safe when things like this happen, to raise the temperature slowly but surely as you have been doing In fact, that's exactly what I did one time when I received a shipment of fish from Europe that the airlines put in their refrigerator because the box said Live Tropical Fish - PERISHABLE! The water was between 55 o and 60 o and they all appeared dead. I gradually brought them up to 72 o that same night and all of them revived, without even getting Ich. \ I'd suggest continuing to raise the temperature and adding salt. The salt may kill off some of the latent Ich spores that are always in the water, before they get a chance to find a fish host, but more importantly, the salt will promote an increase in the production of body slime which will help ward off any Ich spores that may try to get a foothold in your fishes' skin. Best Regards, Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, agentscullyeyore@... wrote: > > So I Have been in and out of town a lot this past year and even more so the > past few months.. being that I clean my tank on a rush manor.. if I have two > days back in town I try and do it right away so that I can make sure all is > well with the fish... so being this I changed the water and cleaned the tank 9 > days ago... after doing this I neglected to re plug in the heater.. I got > back early this am and just now at 4pm noticed the tank temp at 64° not good but > everything is alive.. I have tetras big snails, cories hatchet fish and I > know im forgetting some but anyhow you get the idea.. so I put the temp up to > 68° and I think ill go and raise it more later I just hope they all live I > guess they were kinda hibernating.. Shannon > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16545	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

thanks ray I think ill do that salt thing they water is low so it will be very easy to do that ill keep you posted.. thanks again.. Shannon Hi Shannon, Sorry to hear about your heater being unplugged 9 days ago and not being plugged back in until this morning. I know I don't have to tell you to keep an eye out for Ich. If you do see any, you know what to do -- we went through this last year. I have never heard of raising the temperature no more than 2 o per day. I have found it perfectly safe when things like this happen, to raise the temperature slowly but surely as you have been doing In fact, that's exactly what I did one time when I received a shipment of fish from Europe that the airlines put in their refrigerator because the box said Live Tropical Fish - PERISHABLE! The water was between 55 o and 60 o and they all appeared dead. I gradually brought them up to 72 o that same night and all of them revived, without even getting Ich. \ I'd suggest continuing to raise the temperature and adding salt. The salt may kill off some of the latent Ich spores that are always in the water, before they get a chance to find a fish host, but more importantly, the salt will promote an increase in the production of body slime which will help ward off any Ich spores that may try to get a foothold in your fishes' skin. Best Regards, Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16546	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

Shannon, Since you have Corys, you know you can't add too much salt. Add about the same as you did last year -- about 1 tbs per 5 gallons. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16547	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

oh yea I know.. I have a zebra botia too and 2 large snails so I have to be careful all around.. I usually put in about 1 tbs each water change but now im adding it in slowly I didn't notice any spots but ill keep an eye out.. thanks so much Shannon Shannon, Since you have Corys, you know you can't add too much salt. Add about the same as you did last year -- about 1 tbs per 5 gallons. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16548	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner.

I have never seem red streaks running through their fins ever. But good advice to remember about feeding them. Thank you. Sandy --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "grimwulff" <grimwulff@...> wrote: > > Sandy how often are you feeding your fish? > any signs of red streaks running through fins(bright blood vessels)? > if overfeeding this could cause the ammonia levels to rise very high at a > Companions of Grimwulff > Gary Todd "Rufus" Barr - Owner > 730 CR315 > Rockdale, TX 76567 > 512-446-7931 > www.grimwulff.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16549	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: gourmi started out thread

Thanks for all your advice. So I am going to change the water conditioners I use. Which is the best one and should I use another in combination with it. I have live plants, is it okay to add a plant food liquid for them. Are there any other things I should be doing that I am not. Did my readings of the tank look way off. I did not know how to interpret some of them. What do you think it told about the tank? Thank you again so much, Sandy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16550	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

That is an amazing story Raymond. How are the fish this morning Shannon? Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: huge mistake Hi Shannon, Sorry to hear about your heater being unplugged 9 days ago and not being plugged back in until this morning. I know I don't have to tell you to keep an eye out for Ich. If you do see any, you know what to do -- we went through this last year. I have never heard of raising the temperature no more than 2 o per day. I have found it perfectly safe when things like this happen, to raise the temperature slowly but surely as you have been doing In fact, that's exactly what I did one time when I received a shipment of fish from Europe that the airlines put in their refrigerator because the box said Live Tropical Fish - PERISHABLE! The water was between 55 o and 60 o and they all appeared dead. I gradually brought them up to 72 o that same night and all of them revived, without even getting Ich. \ I'd suggest continuing to raise the temperature and adding salt. The salt may kill off some of the latent Ich spores that are always in the water, before they get a chance to find a fish host, but more importantly, the salt will promote an increase in the production of body slime which will help ward off any Ich spores that may try to get a foothold in your fishes' skin. Best Regards, Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, agentscullyeyore@... wrote: > > So I Have been in and out of town a lot this past year and even more so the > past few months.. being that I clean my tank on a rush manor.. if I have two > days back in town I try and do it right away so that I can make sure all is > well with the fish... so being this I changed the water and cleaned the tank 9 > days ago... after doing this I neglected to re plug in the heater.. I got > back early this am and just now at 4pm noticed the tank temp at 64° not good but > everything is alive.. I have tetras big snails, cories hatchet fish and I > know im forgetting some but anyhow you get the idea.. so I put the temp up to > 68° and I think ill go and raise it more later I just hope they all live I > guess they were kinda hibernating.. Shannon > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16551	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

well all seems fine I have added the salt and I only put the temp at 70 ° yesterday but it rose to 74 somehow on its own.. which my house temp is 64 so not sure about that.. maybe my heater is off.. so I just raised it the last degree and ill see when I get home no signs of anything right now.. ill keep my fingers crossed.. thanks Shannon That is an amazing story Raymond. How are the fish this morning Shannon? Shane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16552	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

You may have passed the high risk point by now. Please keep us updated and thanks. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of agentscullyeyore@... Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:23 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: huge mistake well all seems fine I have added the salt and I only put the temp at 70 ° yesterday but it rose to 74 somehow on its own.. which my house temp is 64 so not sure about that.. maybe my heater is off.. so I just raised it the last degree and ill see when I get home no signs of anything right now.. ill keep my fingers crossed.. thanks Shannon That is an amazing story Raymond. How are the fish this morning Shannon? Shane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16553	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Sandy, I do not know what type of test kit Mardel provides, and w not able to look it up as it appears their SOA name server is hosed. I did find a mention of strips elsewhere on the 'Net. As someone else mentioned, a certain type of test kit does not provide an accurate reading. Here is the text from the Amquel data sheet: "AmQuel may affect the dyes in certain types of cotton fabrics. This happens for the same reason that Ammonia test kits using the Nessler reagents do not work with AmQuel or AmQuel+. These products reduce the coloring agents used in the Nessler reaction test kits, and apparently in a very small selection of cotton based fabrics." So, if you are not using test strips, make sure that the kit you use does not use the Nessler reagents. The amount of ammonia you mention should not terribly affect the fish in a short term situation. It is not good, but it can be livable, so long as it clears up fairly quickly. You really want the ammonia to be 0 ppm. With the alkalinity/buffering measure being 0, I am not surprised that you have a low pH. Pretty much this means that there is nothing in the water to hold the pH as a certain level. The data sheet on AmQuel Plus does mention an odor to the product. Says it is nothing to worry about. I'd really be surprised if you actually talked with Dr. Rofen on the phone when you called Kordon. Probably someone who is feeling a little too big for his britches was on the phone with you. Dr. Rofen has been around since at least the 1950's, and founded a number of companies, which, with others, have been all combined under the Novalek name. I'd switch to the AmQuel (not Plus) considering the buffering capacity of your water. I'll expand more replying directly to your other posts. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy I use a Mardel test kit. Results are: ammonia 0.50 Nitrate 20 Nitrite 0 Total Hardness 250 Total Alkalinity/Buffering Capacity 0 pH below 6.4 The pH looks way off. Ammonia a little high. Nitrite looks good, rest I am not sure how to interpret. The reason I talk about odor is when I started using Amquel I like someone said, noticed the smell of it. The first time I used it, the tank a small amount of time later I thought smelled the same way. I called the company to ask questions. They said the smell didn't hurt anything or make a difference to the water. Said they would send another bottle to me as others had complained of same bad smell of Amquel and they had made a new one to have a more pleasant odor. While I talked to them, this person said he was the owner of the company. He said Novaqua was also a good product to use with the Amquel. I asked if okay to use both and he said yes, there were good conditioners in the Novaqua to use along with Amquel would be a good plan to follow. I did this for another 2 or 3 months until this happened. I am not sure if the ammonia gives an accurate reading when using Amquel. The pH also does not look right I know it is higher than that. I also do not know what to do from here. I am ready to hang it up. If you can give me any more instruction, I would certainly learn from it. Also thank you so much for all your response. You have been great in trying to help. Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16554	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Sandy, With the pH you mentioned in your previous post, the gourami, and tetras should have been OK. The guppies like a higher pH as do the upside down catfish, if they are _Synodontis_ sp. Don't know what the algae eater is so I can't comment on that one. There are a number of species sold as algae eaters, and not all have the same requirements for water quality. One thing that does stand out, however, is that your tank was (still is) over crowded. You don't say what species your gourami was, so I cannot comment on that, but the smallest gourami goes near 2" and is deep bodied. Even if you follow the old saw of 1 inch of fish per gallon, your tank is over crowded, and that rule has been proven wrong again and again. More than length goes into the calculation (notice I mentioned the deep body of a gourami?). The remaining tetra would be enough for a tank of this size. And you may also be able to add a small cat, perhaps, to the tank for some balance. The rosy tetra probably has a condition known as pop-eye. This will mot likely cure itself so long as the water conditions become better. What probably happened is that you suffered a pH crash in your tank, where the pH dropped rapidly, and with the fish already stressed by the load in the tank were pushed over the edge. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:39 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy Hi again, Here is more information I forgot to send. I had 1 gourmi, 5 neon tetras, 2 guppies, 3 small rosy tetras, 1 small algae eater, 2 upside down catfish. The gourmi died, 2 neons died, 1 upside down cat died. I was sick about the upside cat, they had been in there since the tank was set up, a year ago. They are neat fish. The tank now is getting better, that bad odor is gone, all the fish that are left look pretty good. They are weakened and if this happens again know they will probably die. One rosy tetra has a balloon looking thing over one eye. The rest look pretty normal. Thanks so much again, Sandy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16555	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

I always clean a portion of the gravel when doing a water change. Generally 1/4 to 1/3 the gravel bed. Try to avoid being too vigorous around the plants so you do not disturb the roots. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:05 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy cleaning gravel I forgot to answer a question asked. I do use a gravel cleaner each time. I cannot clean every area every time. I have several live plants and a piece of fake looking driftwood. No plastic plants. Is this right. Is there a correct way I am not doing? You should use a gravel cleaner each time, is that right? Thanks again, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16556	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread

The best, so far as I am concerned are AmQuel and Novaqua, when used as directed. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Kay Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:15 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] gourmi started out thread Thanks for all your advice. So I am going to change the water conditioners I use. Which is the best one and should I use another in combination with it. I have live plants, is it okay to add a plant food liquid for them. Are there any other things I should be doing that I am not. Did my readings of the tank look way off. I did not know how to interpret some of them. What do you think it told about the tank? Thank you again so much, Sandy Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16557	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

I started an aquarium less than two months ago (end of December). My choices have been largely driven by the pet store's recommendations about fish compatibilities. I started with one White Cloud Minnow, one Threadfin Rainbow and two Red Blonde Guppies. After the aquarium stabilized, I added four new fishes last week: one Silver Molly, one Penguin Tetra, one Yellow Double Swordtail Guppy and one Blue Betta Fish. Two disturbing developments are being observed in the last 2-3 days. 1) The pet shop claimed that the penguin tetra is well-baheved but I find it to be aggressive, specially during feeding time. It harasses the smaller fishes (the 3 guppies, and the rainbow). 2) Something disturbing happened in the last one hour. I fed the fishes and checked that everyone was fine. Then I checked them a short while ago, and find that one Red Blond Guppy is dying. Its entire tail and part of its side fins are missing and it cannot control and orient its body now. It seems that the tail and fins might have been bitten off... I don't think this guppy had any infection to its tails and fins. I check my fishes regularly with a lens. Is it possible that any other fish would have attacked and miamed this fish? The Penguin Tetra? Felling very saddemned at the developments and hence any suguidance or feedback from anyone will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Subh

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16558	From: payumo_pwu	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16559	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

Both tetras and white cloud mountain fish are schooling fish and need to be kept in groups for the most success with them. While tetras, as a whole, are no tthought of as aggressive fish, there are fish in this group that are aggressive. I've never kept the penguin tetra, but I would suspect that without compatriots is showing some aggressiveness toward the other fish. Individual fish can also exhibit behaviors that are not the norm for their species as well, showing greater or lesser aggressiveness. Also, guppies can be quite aggressive, particularly amoung themselves. Guppies are usually kept as pairs or as reverse trios--two females to one male. Males can harrass females to death. I don't know why you are buying fish singly rather than in pairs or groups. I've seen the listings in shops about compatiblilities, and sometimes wonder where they got them from. You should probably do some reading. Get a good book, like the Baensch Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1. Google fish you might be interested in keeping and see what various sites have to say about them. As you have just done, ask on thi list and others about specific fish and how they can be best kept. With the information on hand, it would be difficult to come to a conclusion about the damage done to the guppy. I'd lean toward the other male guppy, but is sounds like a lot of damge to occur within an hour without any help. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fiddlenero Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy... I started an aquarium less than two months ago (end of December). My choices have been largely driven by the pet store's recommendations about fish compatibilities. I started with one White Cloud Minnow, one Threadfin Rainbow and two Red Blonde Guppies. After the aquarium stabilized, I added four new fishes last week: one Silver Molly, one Penguin Tetra, one Yellow Double Swordtail Guppy and one Blue Betta Fish. Two disturbing developments are being observed in the last 2-3 days. 1) The pet shop claimed that the penguin tetra is well-baheved but I find it to be aggressive, specially during feeding time. It harasses the smaller fishes (the 3 guppies, and the rainbow). 2) Something disturbing happened in the last one hour. I fed the fishes and checked that everyone was fine. Then I checked them a short while ago, and find that one Red Blond Guppy is dying. Its entire tail and part of its side fins are missing and it cannot control and orient its body now. It seems that the tail and fins might have been bitten off... I don't think this guppy had any infection to its tails and fins. I check my fishes regularly with a lens. Is it possible that any other fish would have attacked and miamed this fish? The Penguin Tetra? Felling very saddemned at the developments and hence any suguidance or feedback from anyone will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Subh

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16560	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:58:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, fiddlenero@... writes: <<<I started with one White Cloud Minnow, one Threadfin Rainbow and two Red Blonde Guppies. After the aquarium stabilized, I added four new fishes last week: one Silver Molly, one Penguin Tetra, one Yellow Double Swordtail Guppy and one Blue Betta Fish. Two disturbing developments are being observed in the last 2-3 days. 1) The pet shop claimed that the penguin tetra is well-baheved but I find it to be aggressive, specially during feeding time. It harasses the smaller fishes (the 3 guppies, and the rainbow).>>> Some tetras can be quite aggressive while others are very peaceful. I've not kept penguins, so cannot comment on their typical behavior but as Steve mentioned, they prefer to be kept in groups. <<<2) Something disturbing happened in the last one hour. I fed the fishes and checked that everyone was fine. Then I checked them a short while ago, and find that one Red Blond Guppy is dying. Its entire tail and part of its side fins are missing and it cannot control and orient its body now. It seems that the tail and fins might have been bitten off...>>> I would more imagine the betta might be the culprit -- they're usually pretty awful tankmates for gups. Those flowing fins are like waving a red flag at a bull. And they most assuredly can cause that much damage in very little time. The stocking suggestions you've received from the fish store thus far leave a great deal to be desired. What size is this tank? Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16561	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

I am using test strips and they are not what you say below. I am confused what alkalinity/buffering is and what it means that there is nothing in the water to hold the pH as a certain level. What do you do when the water it like this to fix it? Thank you again. So, if you are not using test strips, make sure that the kit you use does not use the Nessler reagents. The amount of ammonia you mention should not terribly affect the fish in a short term situation. It is not good, but it can be livable, so long as it clears up fairly quickly. You really want the ammonia to be 0 ppm. With the alkalinity/buffering measure being 0, I am not surprised that you have a low pH. Pretty much this means that there is nothing in the water to hold the pH as a certain level. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16562	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Are there things to cause pH to drop rapidly. What do you do when the pH runs on the low side. I still do not understand why it was so low. Sandy What probably happened is that you suffered a pH crash in your tank, where the pH dropped rapidly, and with the fish already stressed by the load in the tank were pushed over the edge. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16563	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread

I only see Amquel+ around here to purchase. I am confused what to use. You say to use them, others say they don't like these and use stress zyme and some other names. I guess it will be my decision now. I do want to say thank you Steve for your advice. Also thank you to everyone else for your help. Sandy From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Subject: RE: gourmi started out thread The best, so far as I am concerned are AmQuel and Novaqua, when used as directed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16564	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

Sandra, Here is a link to an understandable text definition of alkalinity: http://msucares.com/pubs/infosheets/is1334.htm. The suggestion is to use limestone to boost alkalinity. There are products on the market for this, known generically as kalkawasser, which is German and roughly translates as limewater. However, before you go to this end, I'd suggest testing your tap water. I fit is a municipal supply (i.e. you don't have your own well), it is not likely it has such a low alkalinity--such would be too damaging to the system. If this is true--the incoming water has an acceptable amount of alkalinity, you will need to determine where the alkalinity is being lost. One thing that may happen is the water people are boosting the pH without boosting alkalinity. Measure the pH along with the alkalinity of the incoming water. Allow your sample to sit for 24 hours and remeasure. Note any differences. If the initial measurement of alkalinity is low, you may not a drop in pH over the period of standing of the water prior to the second test. Get a water report from your water company. They should be distributing one each year to every one of their customers. If you are not directly paying for the water, you probably don't receive one and have to ask for it. It may also be available online. Keep in mind that you may have a water company that is not municipally owned, but is private, but a good place to start is with your locality's governmental web site (I put it this way, because I don't know where you live and what governmental unit structure is being used). So, if your measurements are OK, and they roughly match that of your water supplier, the next step is to check your water after the water conditioner has been added. Wait a few hours (if your water is stable out of the tap) after adding the conditioner and then measure the pH and alkalinity of the water. If you note a difference from what was started with, the conditioner is the culprit. You should then try another conditioner and test that as well. If the culprit is not the conditioner, then there is something in your tank that is neutralizing the alkalinity. It could be a decorative piece, the gravel or something else. It could even be the biological process itself. When pH is adjusted, in a downward direction, it is possible to "break the buffer". What this means is that the adjustments made are able to overcome the buffering capacity of the water and you suffer a pH crash. This is one of the reasons I always recommend that a person does not mess with the chemistry of the water to make it livable for the fish they wish to keep, they should keep the fish that like the water the person has. What you should do in this case is to do a massive water change, between 75 and 90%, remove all but enough water to cover the fish in the tank. Measure the alkalinity and pH of the incoming water, and measure again after adding it to the tank. Then measure at lest once a day until a pattern is established. If the water starts on a downward path, you are heading for trouble again, and need to determine how to rectify this. If I recall, I thought that your tank was a bit over crowded. This could lead to problems such as you are having. Set up another tank and move some of the fish over to it. See if this takes care of the problem. If you are overcrowded, this will ease the biological load and the process should start to reverse itself, with help from the water changes. However, you may still have a problem with the alkalinity dropping, then there is something in the aquarium that is causing it, such as the aforementioned decoration, gravel, etc. It would take some detective work to figure that out. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy ~ Steve I am using test strips and they are not what you say below. I am confused what alkalinity/buffering is and what it means that there is nothing in the water to hold the pH as a certain level. What do you do when the water it like this to fix it? Thank you again. So, if you are not using test strips, make sure that the kit you use does not use the Nessler reagents. The amount of ammonia you mention should not terribly affect the fish in a short term situation. It is not good, but it can be livable, so long as it clears up fairly quickly. You really want the ammonia to be 0 ppm. With the alkalinity/buffering measure being 0, I am not surprised that you have a low pH. Pretty much this means that there is nothing in the water to hold the pH as a certain level.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16565	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sa

See my previous reply to you where this is touched upon. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:45 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: Gourmi? spelling not sure/water conditioner/ ~ response from Sandy ~ Steve Are there things to cause pH to drop rapidly. What do you do when the pH runs on the low side. I still do not understand why it was so low. Sandy What probably happened is that you suffered a pH crash in your tank, where the pH dropped rapidly, and with the fish already stressed by the load in the tank were pushed over the edge. \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16566	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: gourmi started out thread

Sandy, Just did a quick Google on AmQuel, and it seems to be readily available at online outlets. I've used AmQuel for about 20 years. At that time there was nothing else that did what AmQuel does, though some claimed to do so. I have met and spoken with the inventor of AmQuel, and also participated in some projects with him. He is a water chemist who keeps fish. He also owns his own company now and does sell a lot of fish and related stuff. I'd call him an acquaintance, as I have not spoken with him in several years (but that could change tomorrow). (I have mentioned this relationship many times previously in various messages.) I tend to stick with products I know work. From what I am given to understand, the changes to AmQuel to produce AmQuel Plus were made by Novalek and not the inventor of AmQuel. Check out the data sheets on the various products to see what they have to say. To find those on AmQuel go to http://www.novalek.com/kordon.htm, you'll need to search for the others. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:48 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: gourmi started out thread I only see Amquel+ around here to purchase. I am confused what to use. You say to use them, others say they don't like these and use stress zyme and some other names. I guess it will be my decision now. I do want to say thank you Steve for your advice. Also thank you to everyone else for your help. Sandy From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Subject: RE: gourmi started out thread The best, so far as I am concerned are AmQuel and Novaqua, when used as directed.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16567	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Infected Feeers/Bacterial disease

I bought some feeders, rosies, and put some in both my 75 and 10 gal. The 6 in the 75 were eaten quickly and the remaining 7 were in the 10. Within 36 hours 4 of the ones in the 10 were dead at the filter. NOW my male betta is ill on the bottom, not breathing or swimming well. One of my tetras appears to have "wounds" on his gills, open red sores. I'm thinking bacterial...does this sound right? One of the feeders had open wounds on his back, red streaked sores. Everyone in the 75 appear to be well but I still fed them medicated anti-bacterial pellets this morning. I also fed this to the 10 gal along with a furan treatment. I am fairly certain the betta will not make it through this, but what about the others? 1 unknown type of white tetra and 2 cory cats (1 baby) is all. Please give me any info if you think this is something other than bacterial and if it is then how to treat. (I checked water conditions once the dead fish were removed and all was fine. Should I re-check?) Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16568	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Infected Feeders/Bacterial disease

Should have read "Infected Feeders" -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:32 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Infected Feeers/Bacterial disease I bought some feeders, rosies, and put some in both my 75 and 10 gal. The 6 in the 75 were eaten quickly and the remaining 7 were in the 10. Within 36 hours 4 of the ones in the 10 were dead at the filter. NOW my male betta is ill on the bottom, not breathing or swimming well. One of my tetras appears to have "wounds" on his gills, open red sores. I'm thinking bacterial...does this sound right? One of the feeders had open wounds on his back, red streaked sores. Everyone in the 75 appear to be well but I still fed them medicated anti-bacterial pellets this morning. I also fed this to the 10 gal along with a furan treatment. I am fairly certain the betta will not make it through this, but what about the others? 1 unknown type of white tetra and 2 cory cats (1 baby) is all. Please give me any info if you think this is something other than bacterial and if it is then how to treat. (I checked water conditions once the dead fish were removed and all was fine. Should I re-check?) Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16569	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Infected Feeders/Bacterial disease

OK now the tetra is swimming like crazy against the full length of the glass, like he's scratching...parasites? Argh... -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Infected Feeders/Bacterial disease Should have read "Infected Feeders" -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:32 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Infected Feeers/Bacterial disease I bought some feeders, rosies, and put some in both my 75 and 10 gal. The 6 in the 75 were eaten quickly and the remaining 7 were in the 10. Within 36 hours 4 of the ones in the 10 were dead at the filter. NOW my male betta is ill on the bottom, not breathing or swimming well. One of my tetras appears to have "wounds" on his gills, open red sores. I'm thinking bacterial...does this sound right? One of the feeders had open wounds on his back, red streaked sores. Everyone in the 75 appear to be well but I still fed them medicated anti-bacterial pellets this morning. I also fed this to the 10 gal along with a furan treatment. I am fairly certain the betta will not make it through this, but what about the others? 1 unknown type of white tetra and 2 cory cats (1 baby) is all. Please give me any info if you think this is something other than bacterial and if it is then how to treat. (I checked water conditions once the dead fish were removed and all was fine. Should I re-check?) Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16570	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Dying of clay based substrate

Forgive the cross post and what may be construed (or what actually is) a stupid question but can substrate be dyed? I looked at the price of Flourite, Eco-complete etc and with the size of the tanks I am doing it will cost me more than the tanks cost to use them. There is another product that has been recommended (Profile) however I don't like the colour. I am wondering if I can use a food dye to get it to the colour I want. I figure if the dyes are safe to eat, they must be safe for the enviroment and fish. The only glitch that I can see is I am not sure if the dye will lock itself to the substrate or will later bleed out. thanks Rob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16571	From: Jerry Young	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16572	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

My betta is laying on the bottom, labored breathing and his mouth is white. I t 's not fuzzy white, just white. Help? ! (Water conditions test perfectly.) (10 gal. w/ male betta, 2 cory cats, 1 tetra.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16573	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its really a bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With his described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although there's always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per 5 gal. to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. Ray \ -- - In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > > My betta is laying on the bottom, labored breathing and his mouth is > white. I t 's not fuzzy white, just white. > Help? ! > > (Water conditions test perfectly.) > (10 gal. w/ male betta, 2 cory cats, 1 tetra.) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16574	From: Leslie	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that there is also white on one side of him. Still fungus? And what could have caused this? I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they have been the carriers? I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding them myself but it seems like a lot of work. Thanks, Leslie --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its really a > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With his > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although there's > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per 5 gal. > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. Ray > \ --

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16575	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

Leslie, Note, this is not a fungus (even though it is called "mouth fungus"). It is a bacteria infection, and with it now being on the side of the fish is diagnosed as Columnaris, which will affect both the mouth and the body. This disease is fast acting and must be treated ASAP, as it also attacks the gill membranes, which is why he's breathing heavily. Treat with Furan II. If you can't find it, treat with Kanacyn (Kanamycin) -- and SALT. Potassium Permanganate (by Kordon - I believe) is also effective, but don't mix medications. It most likely came in with the feeder fish. That is why it is always best to quarantine and treat (as necessary) feeder fish before adding them to your tank, as they can introduce disease. Next time isolate your feeder fish first. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that there is > also white on one side of him. Still fungus? > > And what could have caused this? > > I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they have > been the carriers? > > I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding them > myself but it seems like a lot of work. > > Thanks, > Leslie > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its really a > > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With his > > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although there's > > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per 5 gal. > > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. Ray > > \ -- >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16576	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

Shannon, Just now caught this post; missed it earlier. My fish are doing fine this morning, thanks, but I was talking about what happened to some of my fish a number of years ago. They all did well after they revived -- didn't even get sick. Haven't seen anything more on yours so I presume all is well, I hope. Regards, Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, agentscullyeyore@... wrote: > > > well all seems fine I have added the salt and I only put the temp at 70 ° > yesterday but it rose to 74 somehow on its own.. which my house temp is 64 so > not sure about that.. maybe my heater is off.. so I just raised it the last > degree and ill see when I get home no signs of anything right now.. ill keep my > fingers crossed.. thanks Shannon > > That is an amazing story Raymond. How are the fish this morning Shannon? > > > > Shane > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16577	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: salt bath formula for fw fish?

hi all, wondering if anyone can give me the salt bath formula for fw fish. 1 of my bettas jumped the tank divider so now both are suffering from an extreme amount of torn, raggedy fins. i've salt bathed bettas in the past but i cannot remember the formula. i have aquarium salt for my reef tanks, so if someone could give me the formula using aquarium salt, it would be much appreciated! tia. Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16578	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: salt bath formula for fw fish?

Hi Val, The use of only Stress-Coat or a similar product is often used in this case. If you prefer to give him a salt bath, there are several different formulas, depending how long you keep the fish in there. In general, you can use 2 tbs (6 tsp) of salt per gallon, with the fish being in the bath for up to 30 minutes. Or, you could use 8 tsp. salt per gal. for 10 - 20 minutes. In either case, take the fish out of the bath and put the fish back in his regular tank if you see him start to tire (roll over) or jump out. Afterwards, add Stress Coat to the tank, or 1 tbs salt per 5 gallons to help promote body slime. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Valeen Gonzalez <valeendgonzalez@...> wrote: > > hi all, > > wondering if anyone can give me the salt bath formula > for fw fish. 1 of my bettas jumped the tank divider so > now both are suffering from an extreme amount of torn, > raggedy fins. i've salt bathed bettas in the past but > i cannot remember the formula. i have aquarium salt > for my reef tanks, so if someone could give me the > formula using aquarium salt, it would be much > appreciated! > > tia. > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez > valeendgonzalez@... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16579	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: huge mistake

I am amazed all is well with them too..I wonder if it is due to the fact I was keeping the temp about 74.. my heater seems to like that number best lol if I raise it at all it seems to go to about 79 I just cant keep it at a steady number other than 74 lol.. Shannon: Shannon, Just now caught this post; missed it earlier. My fish are doing fine this morning, thanks, but I was talking about what happened to some of my fish a number of years ago. They all did well after they revived -- didn't even get sick. Haven't seen anything more on yours so I presume all is well, I hope. Regards, Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16580	From: Leslie	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

Crud. Well I treated with furan-2 yesterday afternoon. Meds are already mixed. The spots on his sides are much worse this evening and his swimming is very difficult. He swims sideways. Should I just end this for him? I think it's inevitable regarding the outcome and I hate to watch him suffer. We've had for years. He still is trying to get to the side each time he sees me at the tank. So far the tank has jungle fungus tabs, furan II & salt. Leslie --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Leslie, Note, this is not a fungus (even though it is called "mouth > fungus"). It is a bacteria infection, and with it now being on the > side of the fish is diagnosed as Columnaris, which will affect both > the mouth and the body. This disease is fast acting and must be > treated ASAP, as it also attacks the gill membranes, which is why > he's breathing heavily. Treat with Furan II. If you can't find it, > treat with Kanacyn (Kanamycin) -- and SALT. Potassium Permanganate > (by Kordon - I believe) is also effective, but don't mix > medications. It most likely came in with the feeder fish. That is > why it is always best to quarantine and treat (as necessary) feeder > fish before adding them to your tank, as they can introduce disease. > Next time isolate your feeder fish first. Ray > \ > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@> wrote: > > > > I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that there is > > also white on one side of him. Still fungus? > > > > And what could have caused this? > > > > I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they have > > been the carriers? > > > > I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding them > > myself but it seems like a lot of work. > > > > Thanks, > > Leslie > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its > really a > > > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With > his > > > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although > there's > > > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per > 5 gal. > > > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. > Ray > > > > \ > -- > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16581	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: salt bath formula for fw fish?

hey, thanks ray! i have stress coat - i use it as a tap conditioner. so i'll start using it in their tank. i think i'll try the salt bath formula you mentioned. i know they can handle it because i've given them baths before when they previously jumped their divider. darn fish thanks, valeen Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Hi Val, The use of only Stress-Coat or a similar product is often used in this case. If you prefer to give him a salt bath, there are several different formulas, depending how long you keep the fish in there. In general, you can use 2 tbs (6 tsp) of salt per gallon, with the fish being in the bath for up to 30 minutes. Or, you could use 8 tsp. salt per gal. for 10 - 20 minutes. In either case, take the fish out of the bath and put the fish back in his regular tank if you see him start to tire (roll over) or jump out. Afterwards, add Stress Coat to the tank, or 1 tbs salt per 5 gallons to help promote body slime. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Valeen Gonzalez <valeendgonzalez@...> wrote: > > hi all, > > wondering if anyone can give me the salt bath formula > for fw fish. 1 of my bettas jumped the tank divider so > now both are suffering from an extreme amount of torn, > raggedy fins. i've salt bathed bettas in the past but > i cannot remember the formula. i have aquarium salt > for my reef tanks, so if someone could give me the > formula using aquarium salt, it would be much > appreciated! > > tia. > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez > valeendgonzalez@... > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16582	From: jerry young	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Deseases

I noticed that many of my neon tetras are infected with the incurable neon tetra desease. Please advise me how to prevent this. Whats the cause? And I noticed that my peppered corydoras are often being infected with fungus. One had a severe case that almost ate away his head. I gave him a salt bath treatment that caused him to become sluggish and it eventually died after a few days. I know this was a stupid thing to do since catfish are intollerant of salt but I was getting desperate and the treatment lasted only 5 minutes or so. Last Sunday I saw another peppered cory infected, can somebody help me with this? I quickly added some medication for fungus and when I checked this morning it seems to be getting better. But why is it that only the peppered corys are affected. I have pandas, sterbas, albino and bronze corys along with other tetras and some dwarf cichlids and they're fine. How can I prevent these deseases? Thanks! -Jerry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16583	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, seleya8@... wrote: > Some tetras can be quite aggressive while others are very peaceful. I've not > kept penguins, so cannot comment on their typical behavior but as Steve > mentioned, they prefer to be kept in groups. Yes, I am realizing that... I think I have the liberty of adding a few more fishes in my 20-gallon tank, and i will try to match up the existing fishes with their own types. > I would more imagine the betta might be the culprit -- they're usually > pretty awful tankmates for gups. Those flowing fins are like waving a red flag at > a bull. And they most assuredly can cause that much damage in very little > time. The stocking suggestions you've received from the fish store thus far > leave a great deal to be desired. You are right, I am learning it the hard way. In the meantime, I have moved the betta to a small 1.5 gallon tank of its own. Things are under better control now. > What size is this tank? 20 gallons. Thanks Vicky, for your feedback... Subh

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16584	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

Thanks Steve, for the very good feedback and suggestions. Now I believe the damage to the guppy was done by the betta... The betta probably mistook the flowing tail of this guppy to be that of another male betta and attacked it. I don't think it was the other male guppy... the two guppies seemed to be getting alog very well for the last two months. I think I was wrong to suspect the tetra, which though slightly aggressive during feeding times, is largely harmless. I have moved the betta to a small independent tank of its own... seems well adjusted there. I think I got bad suggestions from the pet store regarding the stocking of my fishes and hence have individual members of each type. In hindsight, that seems like a stupid mistake. Since I have a 20 gallon tank, I will try to add a couple of more minnows and tetras. (After removing the betta and accounting for the dead guppy, I now have just 6 fishes in the 20 gallon tank). Thanks for your suggestions. Subh --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Both tetras and white cloud mountain fish are schooling fish and need to be > kept in groups for the most success with them. While tetras, as a whole, are > no tthought of as aggressive fish, there are fish in this group that are > aggressive. I've never kept the penguin tetra, but I would suspect that > without compatriots is showing some aggressiveness toward the other fish. > Individual fish can also exhibit behaviors that are not the norm for their > species as well, showing greater or lesser aggressiveness. > > Also, guppies can be quite aggressive, particularly amoung themselves. > Guppies are usually kept as pairs or as reverse trios--two females to one > male. Males can harrass females to death. > > I don't know why you are buying fish singly rather than in pairs or groups. > I've seen the listings in shops about compatiblilities, and sometimes wonder > where they got them from. You should probably do some reading. Get a good > book, like the Baensch Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1. Google fish you might be > interested in keeping and see what various sites have to say about them. As > you have just done, ask on thi list and others about specific fish and how > they can be best kept. > > With the information on hand, it would be difficult to come to a conclusion > about the damage done to the guppy. I'd lean toward the other male guppy, > but is sounds like a lot of damge to occur within an hour without any help. > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16585	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

Aggression in bettas is generally conspecific. What this means is that bettas will only be aggressive toward other bettas. And, this is not a hard and fast rule. If you raise bettas together from the egg stage, aggressiveness I males is greatly reduced, not eliminated, but reduced, between those males raised together. (A case where, one might say, that familiarity breeds non-contempt.) While I'd not rule out the betta, I'd not rule him in either. It may have been more than one fish doing the dirty deed as well. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fiddlenero Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy... Thanks Steve, for the very good feedback and suggestions. Now I believe the damage to the guppy was done by the betta... The betta probably mistook the flowing tail of this guppy to be that of another male betta and attacked it. I don't think it was the other male guppy... the two guppies seemed to be getting alog very well for the last two months. I think I was wrong to suspect the tetra, which though slightly aggressive during feeding times, is largely harmless. I have moved the betta to a small independent tank of its own... seems well adjusted there. I think I got bad suggestions from the pet store regarding the stocking of my fishes and hence have individual members of each type. In hindsight, that seems like a stupid mistake. Since I have a 20 gallon tank, I will try to add a couple of more minnows and tetras. (After removing the betta and accounting for the dead guppy, I now have just 6 fishes in the 20 gallon tank). Thanks for your suggestions. Subh --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Both tetras and white cloud mountain fish are schooling fish and need to be > kept in groups for the most success with them. While tetras, as a whole, are > no tthought of as aggressive fish, there are fish in this group that are > aggressive. I've never kept the penguin tetra, but I would suspect that > without compatriots is showing some aggressiveness toward the other fish. > Individual fish can also exhibit behaviors that are not the norm for their > species as well, showing greater or lesser aggressiveness. > > Also, guppies can be quite aggressive, particularly amoung themselves. > Guppies are usually kept as pairs or as reverse trios--two females to one > male. Males can harrass females to death. > > I don't know why you are buying fish singly rather than in pairs or groups. > I've seen the listings in shops about compatiblilities, and sometimes wonder > where they got them from. You should probably do some reading. Get a good > book, like the Baensch Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1. Google fish you might be > interested in keeping and see what various sites have to say about them. As > you have just done, ask on thi list and others about specific fish and how > they can be best kept. > > With the information on hand, it would be difficult to come to a conclusion > about the damage done to the guppy. I'd lean toward the other male guppy, > but is sounds like a lot of damge to occur within an hour without any help. > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16586	From: fiddlenero	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

Yes, that (bettas are aggressive towards fellow male bettas only) was what I had gathered by reading about bettas before I added it to my tank. Since my other fishes are largely easy going fishes, I thought betta will get along fine. It seemed so for the first 4 days - betta was always in its own world and was quite a bit shy... Always hiding behind the plants or the rock. I think the betta's attack on the guppy was an accident... It mistook the fan-like tail of the guppy for another male betta. Yes, it is possible that the dirty deed might also have been due to the penguin tetra or the silver molly, both of which act slightly territorial. But somehow the betta appears the obvious culprit. And it happened fast, within a time window of 45 minutes. Anyway, the betta seems content in the new small tank I got for it. Thanks. Subh --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Aggression in bettas is generally conspecific. What this means is that > bettas will only be aggressive toward other bettas. And, this is not a hard > and fast rule. If you raise bettas together from the egg stage, > aggressiveness I males is greatly reduced, not eliminated, but reduced, > between those males raised together. (A case where, one might say, that > familiarity breeds non-contempt.) While I'd not rule out the betta, I'd not > rule him in either. It may have been more than one fish doing the dirty deed > as well. > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16587	From: seleya8@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Penguin Tetra and Dying Guppy...

In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@... writes: <<<Aggression in bettas is generally conspecific.>>> While this is true, bettas' determination of what is exactly "conspecific" often includes male guppies in tanks which house both. Betta splendens are pretty notorious for not tolerating fish with flowing fins, especially ones of similar size. There are certainly exceptions to the rule -- some splendens being more laid back. Strictly speaking of my own experience, I cannot count how many people I know who have learned this the hard way only to never lose another fish the same way once the two species were separated. Vicky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16588	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

For you to have had him for years is pretty good in itself. Many Bettas don't make it that long. The average lifespan for a Betta is between 2 & 3 years; usually falling right in the middle at about 2 1/2 years. As such, he has lived a good long life for a Betta and it may be time to put him down, even though its not always easy to do. Being that old, his immune system may be weak just from age, not unlike people when they get older, so he may not be able to respond to medication. I have read reports of Bettas living for 5 years but I find that extremely difficult to believe although again, like people, there will always be an ocassional one living beyond the timespan normally seen. I seldom have recommended this route and do so reluctantly -- if anyone else on the Forum has a better recommendation, with further hopes for survival, please feel free to post. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Crud. > Well I treated with furan-2 yesterday afternoon. Meds are already > mixed. > The spots on his sides are much worse this evening and his swimming is > very difficult. He swims sideways. Should I just end this for him? > I think it's inevitable regarding the outcome and I hate to watch him > suffer. We've had for years. > He still is trying to get to the side each time he sees me at the tank. > So far the tank has jungle fungus tabs, furan II & salt. > > Leslie > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Leslie, Note, this is not a fungus (even though it is called "mouth > > fungus"). It is a bacteria infection, and with it now being on the > > side of the fish is diagnosed as Columnaris, which will affect both > > the mouth and the body. This disease is fast acting and must be > > treated ASAP, as it also attacks the gill membranes, which is why > > he's breathing heavily. Treat with Furan II. If you can't find it, > > treat with Kanacyn (Kanamycin) -- and SALT. Potassium Permanganate > > (by Kordon - I believe) is also effective, but don't mix > > medications. It most likely came in with the feeder fish. That is > > why it is always best to quarantine and treat (as necessary) feeder > > fish before adding them to your tank, as they can introduce disease. > > Next time isolate your feeder fish first. Ray > > \ > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@> wrote: > > > > > > I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that there is > > > also white on one side of him. Still fungus? > > > > > > And what could have caused this? > > > > > > I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they have > > > been the carriers? > > > > > > I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding them > > > myself but it seems like a lot of work. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its > > really a > > > > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With > > his > > > > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although > > there's > > > > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per > > 5 gal. > > > > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. > > Ray > > > > > > \ > > -- > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16589	From: hank voss	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: As such, he has lived a good long life for a Betta and it may be time to put him down, even though its not always easy to do. Hey Ray: Im old and my imune system is not as good as it was --- so it it time for me to be put down? Hank --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Crud. > Well I treated with furan-2 yesterday afternoon. Meds are already > mixed. > The spots on his sides are much worse this evening and his swimming is > very difficult. He swims sideways. Should I just end this for him? > I think it's inevitable regarding the outcome and I hate to watch him > suffer. We've had for years. > He still is trying to get to the side each time he sees me at the tank. > So far the tank has jungle fungus tabs, furan II & salt. > > Leslie > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > Leslie, Note, this is not a fungus (even though it is called "mouth > > fungus"). It is a bacteria infection, and with it now being on the > > side of the fish is diagnosed as Columnaris, which will affect both > > the mouth and the body. This disease is fast acting and must be > > treated ASAP, as it also attacks the gill membranes, which is why > > he's breathing heavily. Treat with Furan II. If you can't find it, > > treat with Kanacyn (Kanamycin) -- and SALT. Potassium Permanganate > > (by Kordon - I believe) is also effective, but don't mix > > medications. It most likely came in with the feeder fish. That is > > why it is always best to quarantine and treat (as necessary) feeder > > fish before adding them to your tank, as they can introduce disease. > > Next time isolate your feeder fish first. Ray > > \ > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@> wrote: > > > > > > I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that there is > > > also white on one side of him. Still fungus? > > > > > > And what could have caused this? > > > > > > I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they have > > > been the carriers? > > > > > > I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding them > > > myself but it seems like a lot of work. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", its > > really a > > > > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. With > > his > > > > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although > > there's > > > > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs per > > 5 gal. > > > > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth fungus. > > Ray > > > > > > \ > > -- > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16590	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Betta w/ white mouth...help!

Hank, Only if you have a bad case of mouth fungus and your lungs are so terribly infected by Columnaris that you're not getting any better with medications and are only suffering as a result. Is you side turning white from Columnaris as well, and are you laying on the floor unable to get up? Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > > Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: As such, he has lived a good long life for a Betta and it > may be time to put him down, even though its not always easy to do. > > Hey Ray: > Im old and my imune system is not as good as it was --- so it it time for me to be put down? Hank > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@> wrote: > > > > Crud. > > Well I treated with furan-2 yesterday afternoon. Meds are already > > mixed. > > The spots on his sides are much worse this evening and his swimming > is > > very difficult. He swims sideways. Should I just end this for > him? > > I think it's inevitable regarding the outcome and I hate to watch > him > > suffer. We've had for years. > > He still is trying to get to the side each time he sees me at the > tank. > > So far the tank has jungle fungus tabs, furan II & salt. > > > > Leslie > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > Leslie, Note, this is not a fungus (even though it is > called "mouth > > > fungus"). It is a bacteria infection, and with it now being on > the > > > side of the fish is diagnosed as Columnaris, which will affect > both > > > the mouth and the body. This disease is fast acting and must be > > > treated ASAP, as it also attacks the gill membranes, which is why > > > he's breathing heavily. Treat with Furan II. If you can't find > it, > > > treat with Kanacyn (Kanamycin) -- and SALT. Potassium > Permanganate > > > (by Kordon - I believe) is also effective, but don't mix > > > medications. It most likely came in with the feeder fish. That > is > > > why it is always best to quarantine and treat (as necessary) > feeder > > > fish before adding them to your tank, as they can introduce > disease. > > > Next time isolate your feeder fish first. Ray > > > > \ > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <5moores@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I added the salt and jungle fungus tabs. I notice now that > there is > > > > also white on one side of him. Still fungus? > > > > > > > > And what could have caused this? > > > > > > > > I added feeder fish 4 days ago then this started. Could they > have > > > > been the carriers? > > > > > > > > I hate buying feeders. I have half a mind to start breeding > them > > > > myself but it seems like a lot of work. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" > > > > <sevenspringss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like mouth fungus -- it doesn't have to be "fuzzy", > its > > > really a > > > > > bacteria infection so will not have that "cottony" growth. > With > > > his > > > > > described condition, I wouldn't give too much hope, although > > > there's > > > > > always some hope as long as he's alive. I'd try salt (1 tbs > per > > > 5 gal. > > > > > to start) and a good medication effective against mouth > fungus. > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > \ > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16591	From: raleighaquariumsociety	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Raleigh Aquarium Society Workshop - THIS WEEKEND!!!

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16592	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

The betta is swimming today and eating. But the white is still very present, even more so today. Also, my concern is parasites. There is something dangling off of his mouth. I at first thought it to be the growth coming off as he gets better but today it's another and very straight and dangly, and dark. Should I treat for parasites as well or could this just be the floaties coming off? Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16593	From: }<)))*>	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases

Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness... It's not curable and almost impossible to prevent... These fish are born with it... It just doesn't show up until they get stressed out... Since your corys are getting fungi it's probably the condition of your water... Have you had it tested? And I suggest finding a new store to buy your neons at... Where ever you're buying them have an infected strain jerry young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I noticed that many of my neon tetras are infected with the incurable neon tetra desease. Please advise me how to prevent this. Whats the cause?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16594	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases

"Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness...", Source please. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of }<)))*> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Deseases Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness... It's not curable and almost impossible to prevent... These fish are born with it... It just doesn't show up until they get stressed out... Since your corys are getting fungi it's probably the condition of your water... Have you had it tested? And I suggest finding a new store to buy your neons at... Where ever you're buying them have an infected strain jerry young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I noticed that many of my neon tetras are infected with the incurable neon tetra desease. Please advise me how to prevent this. Whats the cause? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16595	From: }<)))*>	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases

Fish breeder... The parasite is transmited when they spawn... You can get them from one strain and they all show symptoms when unders stress... Get them from another strain and none will show symptoms... Test it out... However... To the person that initially asked NTD question... There is also a "false neon disease" which has the same symptoms and is curable and is bacterial not parasitic... http://www.fishbase.org/Diseases/DiseasesSummary2.cfm?discode=728 Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: "Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness...", Source please. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of }<)))*> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Deseases Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness... It's not curable and almost impossible to prevent... These fish are born with it... It just doesn't show up until they get stressed out... Since your corys are getting fungi it's probably the condition of your water... Have you had it tested? And I suggest finding a new store to buy your neons at... Where ever you're buying them have an infected strain jerry young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I noticed that many of my neon tetras are infected with the incurable neon tetra desease. Please advise me how to prevent this. Whats the cause? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16596	From: Patrick	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases

AIDS is also spread from parent to child, but is not genetic. I read once that the bacteria that causes NTD was found, and antibiotics have proven to be partially effective for treatment. This is the first I have heard of a second NTD. It must be a new discovery... Patrick ----- Original Message ----- Fish breeder... The parasite is transmited when they spawn... You can get them from one strain and they all show symptoms when unders stress... Get them from another strain and none will show symptoms... Test it out... However... To the person that initially asked NTD question... There is also a "false neon disease" which has the same symptoms and is curable and is bacterial not parasitic... http://www.fishbase.org/Diseases/DiseasesSummary2.cfm?discode=728

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16597	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

Glad to hear he is swimming and eating today. Going by your description of him yesterday, the outcome seemed inevitable as you said, and he wasn't responding to the medication of choice that you had already treated him with the day before. Not actually seeing the fish myself, but going by your resignation of not continuing his suffering it did seem to be the best thing for him at the time if he were that bad off. Its not the purpose of this Forum to advise such recommendations, but no hobbyist likes to see a fish suffer, and only you could be the best judge of that. If however, the white is spreading it may just be a matter of time; you haven't said just how many years you've had him. A sign of improvement might be if his breathing is better. While again, I can't see the fish (unless you want to post a pic), I would not be too concerned with parasites as it sounds like the piece dangling off his mouth might in fact be part of the skin of his lip, damaged from the mouth fungus bacteria. This fast moving bacteria can eat away the whole mouth area if not caught in time. If you've decided on trying to save him, which it now appears you have, make sure you have no carbon it the filter to enable the medication to be as effective as it possibly can and keep a careful watch. I'm not familiar with "floaties" so cannot comment on that. For any better diagnosis, a photo would be needed. Anything else would be speculation, although the distinct possibility of mouth damage is real. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > The betta is swimming today and eating. But the white is still very > present, even more so today. > > Also, my concern is parasites. There is something dangling off of his > mouth. I at first thought it to be the growth coming off as he gets > better but today it's another and very straight and dangly, and dark. > > Should I treat for parasites as well or could this just be the floaties > coming off? > > Thanks, > Leslie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16598	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

Ray, When I wrote "floaties," I had you in mind. =) I did almost put the guy down. I absolutely did not think he would make it through that night. But he did so I am glad I gave him that chance. We have had him about 2 years now. He's always been sickly. The white in his mouth is still very present, as is that on his side that appears to be coming out of his gills. I don't think I could get a good picture of this. The water is green with treatment and he hovers agains the back of the tank with the infected side away from me. I will play with the camera today though and see what I can get. It has an underwater setting that has worked well on my other tank. I appreciate your honesty regarding putting him down. I shared your opinion and still do if he looks as though he will not get through this. I might post pictures later. Thanks again. Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite? Glad to hear he is swimming and eating today. Going by your description of him yesterday, the outcome seemed inevitable as you said, and he wasn't responding to the medication of choice that you had already treated him with the day before. Not actually seeing the fish myself, but going by your resignation of not continuing his suffering it did seem to be the best thing for him at the time if he were that bad off. Its not the purpose of this Forum to advise such recommendations, but no hobbyist likes to see a fish suffer, and only you could be the best judge of that. If however, the white is spreading it may just be a matter of time; you haven't said just how many years you've had him. A sign of improvement might be if his breathing is better. While again, I can't see the fish (unless you want to post a pic), I would not be too concerned with parasites as it sounds like the piece dangling off his mouth might in fact be part of the skin of his lip, damaged from the mouth fungus bacteria. This fast moving bacteria can eat away the whole mouth area if not caught in time. If you've decided on trying to save him, which it now appears you have, make sure you have no carbon it the filter to enable the medication to be as effective as it possibly can and keep a careful watch. I'm not familiar with "floaties" so cannot comment on that. For any better diagnosis, a photo would be needed. Anything else would be speculation, although the distinct possibility of mouth damage is real. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > The betta is swimming today and eating. But the white is still very > present, even more so today. > > Also, my concern is parasites. There is something dangling off of his > mouth. I at first thought it to be the growth coming off as he gets > better but today it's another and very straight and dangly, and dark. > > Should I treat for parasites as well or could this just be the floaties > coming off? > > Thanks, > Leslie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16599	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

Leslie, I gather then that this (floaties) is a compliment ?? (lol). That still doesn't tell me anything as I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Two years is not really a terribly long time for a Betta; hope at least that his breathing has improved. While usually not recommended (especially with other types of medications), you could try increasing the dosage of the Furan II, which you need to administer every other day anyway and which would not be harmful. It often offers some benefit, as usually some of the medication is neutralized from any organics in the tank. It this stage, it doesn't appear as if there's too much to lose anyway and is certainly worth a try, since it can't hurt. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Ray, > When I wrote "floaties," I had you in mind. =) > > I did almost put the guy down. I absolutely did not think he would make > it through that night. But he did so I am glad I gave him that chance. > We have had him about 2 years now. He's always been sickly. > > The white in his mouth is still very present, as is that on his side > that appears to be coming out of his gills. > I don't think I could get a good picture of this. The water is green > with treatment and he hovers agains the back of the tank with the > infected side away from me. I will play with the camera today though > and see what I can get. It has an underwater setting that has worked > well on my other tank. > > I appreciate your honesty regarding putting him down. I shared your > opinion and still do if he looks as though he will not get through this. > > > I might post pictures later. Thanks again. > > Leslie > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > _____ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16600	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

By "floaties" I think I was talking about the stuff hanging on his mouth...it's stuck to his mouth and floating upward like a helium balloon would in your hand. And I thought of you because it was such a vague description and completely not technical, I know you just love that type of thing as you alway make a reference to stuff like that in quotes, just as you did "floaties." =) A rounded compliment, yes. My camera doesn't like the batteries I put in it so I can't get a picture. I will add some more furan but it says to do a 25% water change after the second day, should I do that first then add more? Thanks again. Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite? Leslie, I gather then that this (floaties) is a compliment ?? (lol). That still doesn't tell me anything as I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Two years is not really a terribly long time for a Betta; hope at least that his breathing has improved. While usually not recommended (especially with other types of medications), you could try increasing the dosage of the Furan II, which you need to administer every other day anyway and which would not be harmful. It often offers some benefit, as usually some of the medication is neutralized from any organics in the tank. It this stage, it doesn't appear as if there's too much to lose anyway and is certainly worth a try, since it can't hurt. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Ray, > When I wrote "floaties," I had you in mind. =) > > I did almost put the guy down. I absolutely did not think he would make > it through that night. But he did so I am glad I gave him that chance. > We have had him about 2 years now. He's always been sickly. > > The white in his mouth is still very present, as is that on his side > that appears to be coming out of his gills. > I don't think I could get a good picture of this. The water is green > with treatment and he hovers agains the back of the tank with the > infected side away from me. I will play with the camera today though > and see what I can get. It has an underwater setting that has worked > well on my other tank. > > I appreciate your honesty regarding putting him down. I shared your > opinion and still do if he looks as though he will not get through this. > > > I might post pictures later. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16601	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

Yes, do the 25% water change first, as recommended -- Although I remember the directions recommending a water change, I wasn't sure at what point in the treatment it should be done. Is he breathing any better? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16602	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite?

Yes he is breathing better. I forgot to mention that in my last reponse. I don't think his breathing is at all labored right now. =) Leslie From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:26 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Bettas white mouth...parasite? Yes, do the 25% water change first, as recommended -- Although I remember the directions recommending a water change, I wasn't sure at what point in the treatment it should be done. Is he breathing any better? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+rom ania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=1 02&.sig=tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buc harest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+afri ca&c=5&s=102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w 2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South +africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Buchar est+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Buchares t+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c= 5&s=102&.sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16603	From: bigter4	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Filter issue ( whisper)

Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water changes.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16604	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Can damaged snail shells heal?

Several weeks ago I removed the ugf from my snail tank and replaced it with a filter than hangs on the side. At some point I overfed the snails, the water got nasty, etc. and I had to replace most of the water. That being said, I did something horrible wrong and the whole system was goofed up and has to re-cycle now. Some of the snails have areas on the surface of their shells that seem to be deteriorating. I'm wondering what could be causing this: 1. The snails constantly eat algae off one another. Can this damage the shells? 2. Could this be from low levels of nitrite in the water? The tank is almost cycled again, and I expect to see the nitrites gone soon. 3. Is it a calcium deficiancy? The ph is slightly alkaline, and I have calcium supplement powder, but it can cloud the water if I add even a small bit too much. I feed them algae disks and sometimes spinach which both have calcium. how much do they need? I also have crushed shells and coral in the tank. 4. The snails seem to be okay and are reproducing like crazy, and I am wondering if their shells can heal and if there is anything in particular I should do. Thanks! Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16605	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: will bullheads eat smaller fish?

I have a 55 gal planted tank with 2 comets, 2 bluegills, and 2 bullheads. One of the bullheads is very small (a baby) and the other was larger to start with, but suddenly had a growth spurt and is now several inches (it is probably at least 4-5 times larger than the baby). The bullheads are very docile and enjoy each other's company (the little one always hangs around the big one), but I am worried that the bigger one might eventually eat the little one. Are bullheads known to do this, or are they more scavengers than predators? Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16606	From: MIke Schornak	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)

I'm certainly no expert but I have a 15-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank and I have no problems. That's just me but I'm sure others have good advice. Mike bigter4 <bigter4@...> wrote: Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water changes. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16607	From: harry perry	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)/All my tanks

I use Whispers in all my tanks. I also overfilter all my tanks. What I do is clean the filter and use a baby bottle brush to clean out the impeller chamber and also clean the impeller itself. It's a simple magnetic system. Harry MIke Schornak <dragonman_999@...> wrote: I'm certainly no expert but I have a 15-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank and I have no problems. That's just me but I'm sure others have good advice. Mike bigter4 <bigter4@...> wrote: Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water changes. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16608	From: wendie	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)

Actually for some types of fish it's better to have a slightly stronger filter in the tank. I have mine slightly stronger than necessary. Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of MIke Schornak Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Filter issue ( whisper) I'm certainly no expert but I have a 15-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank and I have no problems. That's just me but I'm sure others have good advice. Mike bigter4 <bigter4@...> wrote: Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water changes. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16609	From: KCronan@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Can damaged snail shells heal?

Emily, I don't know what kind of snails you have but this website, _www.applesnail.net_ (http://www.applesnail.net) , is great and my answer some of your questions. Deanna in GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16610	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Deseases

Finally had a chance to look this up. Neon tetra disease is not genetic in nature, it is caused by an organism known as _Pleistophora hyphessobryconis_. This little critter is a Microsporidea, and there is no known cure for fit in fishes. It affects other fish as well as neons, but neons are the fish in which it was discovered and is often fatal. Other fish in which the critter has been found include other tetras, barbs, angelfish and rasboras. You can try to limit the disease by removing affected fish, especially before they are found dying and/or cannibalized. Cleaning of the gravel helps to remove any spores that may have collected. Transmission of the disease depends upon the pathogen spores being ingested by the new host. Some success in the prevention of the disease has been note when using an ultraviolet light at 35,000 microwatts per square centimeter on a continuous basis. To prevent spread of the disease, any equipment that has come into contact with the infected system or fishes needs to be disinfected with sodium hypochlorite or other disinfectant agents. The above comes from Aquariology Master Volume, The Science of Fish Health Management, Edited by Dr. John B. Graztek and Janice R. Matthews, published by Tetra Press, 1992. I Also found similar information in a fish disease book published by TFH, but don't have it on hand to give the details, however I believe the title we Textbook of Fish Health. For those of you who may be interested, Aquariology was published and is available either in the master volume cited above, or in several separate volumes covering the various topics in the master volume. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of }<)))*> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:13 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Deseases Neon Tetra Disease is a genetic illness... It's not curable and almost impossible to prevent... These fish are born with it... It just doesn't show up until they get stressed out... Since your corys are getting fungi it's probably the condition of your water... Have you had it tested? And I suggest finding a new store to buy your neons at... Where ever you're buying them have an infected strain jerry young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: I noticed that many of my neon tetras are infected with the incurable neon tetra desease. Please advise me how to prevent this. Whats the cause? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16611	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Hello and HELP

Hello Group I am a new member and happy to be a fellow fish lover. I do have a problem and I was hoping that someone could help. I recently moved up from a 30 gallon fresh water tank to a 55 gallon fresh water tank. After I filled up the 55 gallon tank the water was crystal clear. But as the days went on the water kept getting cloudy. I have put in live bacteria into the water as well as testing the ph levels....making sure it was around 7.0 - 7.2. I even put in stree zyme. Now all of a sudden my tank has this green cloudy glow to it. I was reading that it might be alge. Is there anyway to get the alge gone without hurting the fish?? The fish that are in the tank are 2 pleco's (which are approx 8 inches long) 1 balla shark (which is about 8 inces long) and about 5 really small fish. What can I do to get my tank clear again and enjoyable. Please help Thanks Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16612	From: Philip Baird	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Hello and HELP

You are right on what it is. The algea bloom is caused by phosphares wich come from the feeding. To remove the phosphate, you will need to do water changes, and check your filter to ensure that there is not alot of food waste. I would start the w.c's at 50% the first time then smaller (about 25%) thereafter. Double check your feeding... Only feed what can be consumed in 5 minutes. Also check what you are feeding. All foods will have phosphates, try to find the food with the least. Lightting can slso play a factor. Try running the light no more than 12 hours, best to keep it under 10. A timer will help keep this in order. Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: Hello Group I am a new member and happy to be a fellow fish lover. I do have a problem and I was hoping that someone could help. I recently moved up from a 30 gallon fresh water tank to a 55 gallon fresh water tank. After I filled up the 55 gallon tank the water was crystal clear. But as the days went on the water kept getting cloudy. I have put in live bacteria into the water as well as testing the ph levels....making sure it was around 7.0 - 7.2. I even put in stree zyme. Now all of a sudden my tank has this green cloudy glow to it. I was reading that it might be alge. Is there anyway to get the alge gone without hurting the fish?? The fish that are in the tank are 2 pleco's (which are approx 8 inches long) 1 balla shark (which is about 8 inces long) and about 5 really small fish. What can I do to get my tank clear again and enjoyable. Please help Thanks Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16613	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Hello and HELP

Thank you for the advise Steve --- Philip Baird <luckybob611@...> wrote: > You are right on what it is. > The algea bloom is caused by phosphares wich come from the feeding. > To remove the phosphate, you will need to do water changes, > and check your filter to ensure that there is not alot of food waste. > I would start the w.c's at 50% the first time then smaller (about 25%) thereafter. > Double check your feeding... > Only feed what can be consumed in 5 minutes. > Also check what you are feeding. > All foods will have phosphates, try to find the food with the least. > Lightting can slso play a factor. > Try running the light no more than 12 hours, best to keep it under 10. > A timer will help keep this in order. > > > Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: Hello Group > > I am a new member and happy to be a fellow fish lover. I do have a > problem and I was hoping that someone could help. I recently moved up > from a 30 gallon fresh water tank to a 55 gallon fresh water tank. > After I filled up the 55 gallon tank the water was crystal clear. But > as the days went on the water kept getting cloudy. I have put in live > bacteria into the water as well as testing the ph levels....making > sure it was around 7.0 - 7.2. I even put in stree zyme. Now all of a > sudden my tank has this green cloudy glow to it. I was reading that it > might be alge. Is there anyway to get the alge gone without hurting > the fish?? The fish that are in the tank are 2 pleco's (which are > approx 8 inches long) 1 balla shark (which is about 8 inces long) and > about 5 really small fish. What can I do to get my tank clear again > and enjoyable. Please help > > Thanks > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16614	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Question

Has anyone ever used a product called Acurel F in the fish tanks??? I would like more info on this product if anyone knows anything about it. Thanks Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16615	From: dvgorelov	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Any advice on community tank, please?

Hello to all! In Oct-Nov 05 I have started a 29G community tank. Right now I have there 4 Pristella Tetras, 2 mistery snails, some MTS and live plants (1 banana plant, 1 Cryptocorine, 1 Anubias, some Ludvigia, Hornwort and Elodea). I would like to have some small docile cichlids there along with some other tetras (may be Cardinals?) and catfishes (some dwarf Corys?). I was thinking about Cupid cichlids (Biotodoma cupido), Kribensis (Pelvichromis pulcher) or Bolivian rams (M. altispinosa). Could you give your oppinion on those three cichlids and their compartibility with tetras, corys, etc? Or may be somebody had a good experience with other nice dwarf (or just small) cichlids suitable for the CT I am trying to build -- could you share your experience here? The setup I have besides the standard 29G 30" long glass tank itself includes: -Eheim Classic 2213 (says is good for upto 66G); -150W Termo-Tech (Penn-Plax) heater; -single 2xT5 tubes Coralife 65W fro FW and + regular single T12 with 6500K tube, on for ~9-10 hours; -med-smmall (3-4mm) gravel, 3-4 small rocks, some driftwood; -air pump (not used regularly); Thanks Dmitry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16616	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Look at this little gem.

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16617	From: harry perry	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Look at this little gem./Sorry

I fogot no attachments. harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16618	From: harryfisherman	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Photos added.

I added an album called Harry's fish. In it is a picture of a pygmy sunfish. Harry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16619	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Photos added.

Harry, That little guy is really cute. Hadn't seen of them before. Feather harryfisherman <harryfisherman@...> wrote: I added an album called Harry's fish. In it is a picture of a pygmy sunfish. Harry --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16620	From: bigter4	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)

- thx mike -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, MIke Schornak <dragonman_999@...> wrote: > > I'm certainly no expert but I have a 15-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank and I have no problems. That's just me but I'm sure others have good advice. > > Mike > > bigter4 <bigter4@...> wrote: > Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY > new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter > is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels > are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its > job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this > one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for > 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor > strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water > changes. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16621	From: bigter4	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Filter issue ( whisper)/All my tanks

Good call with the toothbrush! I will try that. perhaps it is just clogging.- -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > > I use Whispers in all my tanks. I also overfilter all my tanks. What I do is clean the filter and use a baby bottle brush to clean out the impeller chamber and also clean the impeller itself. It's a simple magnetic system. > > Harry > > MIke Schornak <dragonman_999@...> wrote: I'm certainly no expert but I have a 15-20 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank and I have no problems. That's just me but I'm sure others have good advice. > > Mike > > bigter4 <bigter4@...> wrote: > Hello Gang, sorry I have been away so long...been busy at work. OKAY > new problem that I need advice. I believe that the Tetra Whisper filter > is on its way out. Water has not been in the best shape lately. Levels > are fine.. no changes or sickness, just the filter is not doing its > job. NOW... I have the filter for a 10-15 gal tank in this one ( this > one is a 15 gal) Would it ba bad to put a bigger filter , like one for > 20 gal and up in there? I have also had some issues with the motor > strating back up after a power outage or when I turn it off for water > changes. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ���`�.��.>< ((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<� ((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<� ((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ���`�.��.>< ((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<� ((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<� ((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16622	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: acurel f question

Has anyone ever used a product called Acurel F in the fish tanks??? I would like more info on this product if anyone knows anything about it. Thanks Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16623	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Albino fish breeding

Hello, A picture added in photo section of our group wish to understand its breeding techniques. ManyThanks, indulkarshailu@... India

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16624	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Aquarium Water vs. Water in the Wild

I'd like to start what I hope will be an interesting discussion about water. This is sparked by an interesting article in the recent issue of "Copeia" (2005, No. 4), "{Relationships Between Habitat Characteristics and Fish Assemblages in Small Streams of Central Amazonia", by Fernando P. Mendonça, William E. Magnusson, and Jansen Zuanon. Those of you who have been around here a while may know that I read quite widely, often delving into scientific publications, though I make no pretense of being a scientist. "Copeia" is published four times a year by the American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists, and publishes articles describing new species of fish, amphibians, and reptiles, as well as studies based on these groups. The particular article referenced above is a study that was carried out in Brazil, near the city of Manaus in a reserve of 10,000 ha of non-flooded forest. That is about 36 square miles. Part of the area drains into the Rio Negro and the other part drains into the Amazon. The drainages are divided by a ridge that wanders through the preserve. We are not going to be talking about the study per se, but some of the water parameters mentioned in the study and the fishes found to be living in the study area. The first thing I'd like to mention, that will, perhaps have some relevance to the topic at hand is the flow of the various streams. The flow rate varied considerably dependant on the portion of the stream being sampled. Water flow was fast in some places and slow in others. The waters did not have much in the way of suspended particles, but the stream beds were variable, some portions covered with litter and other portions of rocky or sandy composition. Sand and coarse litter made up the largest proportion of the stream beds. The water was highly saturated in oxygen ranging from 5.45-9.42 mg/l. Water temperature ranged from 21.4^o C (70.52^o F) to 25.8^o C (78.44^o F). It is important to consider water temperature in relation to oxygen saturation because when water is warmer, it is less able to hold oxygen. There are other factors as well that affect the ability of water to hold oxygen. For some charts demonstrating the ability of water to hold oxygen under certain circumstances see http://water.usgs.gov/owq/FieldManual/Chapter6/6.2.4.pdf. I bring this up because oxygen is not a normally measured parameter when one is discussing water quality, and it is only measured as a last resort, if at all. However, the amount of available oxygen in the water is of great importance to living organisms in our aquariums. If there is not enough oxygen, our fish are in trouble, as well may be other organisms living in the tank. Different fish have different requirements. For example, fish that are found in rapidly moving water (sucker mouthed catfish can serve as an example) require higher amounts of available oxygen than do fish that reside in more slowly moving water, or in lakes and ponds (gouramis can serve as an example here). While a tank that is fine for the catfish is also fine for the gouramis, so far as oxygen saturation is concerned, the gouramis will be able to live with far less dissolved oxygen than the catfish, and a tank suitable for the gouramis may not be suitable for a sucker mouthed catfish. It would then behoove us to study the fish and their origins prior to combining them with an eye toward oxygen requirements. Most tanks, however, should have enough dissolved oxygen to keep most fish, and most people do not see this as a consideration when choosing inhabitants for the tank. Keep in mind, still using the above example, that sucker mouthed catfish are not found in the same habitats as are gouramis. Thus, if I wish to keep a tank that is heavy on gouramis, I would need to look at other species of catfish if that is a mental requirement for my tank. Now, let's get to the meat of the matter here. pH in these waters were found to measure between 3.7 and 4.8. I can hear some of your gasps from here as you read that last tidbit. This is not the first time I have read of such low pH ranges in conjunction with the natural habitats of the fish we keep. Quite often pH measurements, when mentioned, of the waters where fish are found are quite lower than our expectations would lead us to believe are safe for keeping fishes. Quite often we hear of people who are quite worried when the pH of their tank falls much below 6.8-7.2. It would seem that this concern is quite unwarranted, and the pH ranges stated in most hobbyist literature is inaccurate and/or misleading. While there are fish that require a higher pH, many livebearers, for instance, for many of the inland South American fish that are found in many of our tanks, do not require a very high pH to do well. However, we are on the horns of a dilemma, because if we lower our pH to match natural waters in the area from which our fish come, placing a fish fresh from the LFS into this water will almost certainly backfire on us, because the fish have been acclimated to a higher pH and placing them directly into a lower pH can lead to pH shock and possibly death of the new fish. They need to be acclimated to a lower pH as the current inhabitants of the tank have been. This would mean an establishment of another tank to hold new arrivals in (remember, we are supposed to be quarantining new fish any way), and slowly lowering the pH in the holding tank until it approaches or reaches the pH of the main tank. What does this mean for us? Maybe nothing, maybe a whole lot. Fish are fairly adaptable creatures. However that adaptation to water parameters we keep them in vs. what they see in the wild may be enough so the fish just survives, and does nothing more than that. Providing water parameters that are closer to that they fish find in the wild may mean more colorful fish, longer lived fish, fish that are more apt to breed, especially for those of us who are interested in that aspect, and healthier fish. The authors of this study collected a total of 49 species of fish during their work. Not all of those were fish that are kept by aquarists, but some are. One of the species found was _Callichthys callicthys_. This fish can be found in the hobby albeit it is not one of the most popular fishes. Looking this fish up in Fishbase (http://www.fishbase.org), a widely accepted authoritative reference work, and we see the fish listed as being found in waters with a pH range of 5.8-8.3. If you remember, at the start of this piece, it was stated that the researchers found the pH to be between 3.7 and 4.8. Even if we are to presume that the fish was found in an area that measured pH 4.8, that is much lower than the stated lowest pH in Fishbase. Without going though the 40+ references listed, and perhaps those that the references themselves relied upon, it is impossible to determine where this pH range came from and how it was measured. The report cited here does not list the pH of the locality where the fish was found so, it cannot be stated with any accuracy in what pH the fish was found. (I hope the format holds in a readable form.) Other fishes found that may be found in your LFS include: _Carnegiella strigata_ Marbled hatchetfish Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Batrochoglanis raninus_ was _Pseudopimelodus raninus_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Hypselecara coryphaenoides_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Crenicichla lenticulata_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Rineloricaria heteroptera_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Steatogenys duidae_ No pH given _Sternopygus macrurus_ Longtail knifefish Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Pyrrhulina cf. laeta_ maybe Halfbanded pyrrhulina Higher pH stated in Fishbase* _Copella nigrofasciata_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Apistogramma_ sp. Higher pH stated in Fishbase** _Nannostomus marginatus_ Dwarf pencilfish Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Aequidens pallidus_ Doublespot acara Much higher pH stated in Fishbase _Symbranchus_ sp. *** _Ancistrus aff. hoplogenys_ Much higher pH stated in Fishbase**** _Crenuchus spilurus_ Sailfin tetra Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Erythrinus erythrinus_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Pyrrhulina cf. brevis_ Higher pH stated in Fishbase* _Rivulus compressus_ No pH given. _Poecilocharax weitzmani_ Black morpho tetra Higher pH stated in Fishbase _Callichthys callichthys_ Cascarudo Higher pH stated in Fisbase *Listing from Fishbase is for _Pyrrhulina laeta_ Halfbanded pyrrhulina. The cf. in the name given means that the fish is like the particular species mentioned, but may be a different species. Also _Pyrrhulina cf. brevis_. **This is an unidentified Apisto. In readings of Apistos in the wild, a much lower pH is mentioned than in the literature otherwise. Looking through the listings of Apistos in Fishbase, I noted pH ranges that are sometimes much higher than I have seen in those articles. In my own experience in keeping Apistos, I have generally found a lower pH is necessary to keep them in good shape, and have kept them successfully kept them on a pH of 5 or lower. ***All listings of this species in Fishbase show it as being a freshwater/brackish fish. No pH was given for any of the listed species. Generally fish that are listed as freshwater/brackish need to spend some time in one or the other. An example may be a fish that breeds in brackish water, but spends much of its life in freshwater. I've listed it here to spur those of you who may have one of these eels to do further research on the particular species you have to better determine its needs. One the whole, I'd say that the fish is listed as being found in much higher pH tan it was in this study. ****Listed since the aff. Infers a relationship to the named species. It can be noted that many of the references listed on the page of the fish description are commonly used by hobbyists. Another comment worth noting is the time of the year that the readings in the study were taken--during the dry season, where pH may be expected to lower from what they would be at the end of the rainy season. Anyone have any comments or additions? \\Steve// "It is much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem." - Malcolm Forbes

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16625	From: hank voss	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "shailendra Indulkar" <indulkarshailu@...> wrote: > > Hello, > A picture added in photo section of our group > wish to understand its breeding techniques. > ManyThanks, > indulkarshailu@... > India > From the picture its hard to tell what it is but it looks like a blind cave fish (Astyanax mexicanus) a side shot would be better.A easy fish to breed Females are larger than males.Females in good shape look like they swallowed a marble they usually always are full of eggs.Males are very flat bellied.They are avid egg eaters though and produce a large ammount of eggs at a spawning. I used to breed mine over a bed of marbles so they could not get at the eggs but you could use screening or corse pebbles.Place female in tank and next day put in 1-2 males they usually spawn within 24 hrs.If not change some of the water and that usually triggers them to spawn. Temp.around 76F.You will get a large amount os unfertilized eggs but dont worry you still will have many young.Eggs will hatch around 36 hrs. Feed young infusoria or something like liqidfry for egglayers they grow pretty fast.Watch out for the few larger fry(which always occur)because they will probably start eating their brothers ans sisters.After 3-4 days fed brine shrimp from here on in their growth is rapid.You can easally get 200 fry.Caution these fish are fin nippers.I hope this is some help to you.If you need more info.post again. Regards Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16626	From: hank voss	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "shailendra Indulkar" <indulkarshailu@...> wrote: > > Hello, > A picture added in photo section of our group > wish to understand its breeding techniques. > ManyThanks, > indulkarshailu@... > India > PS: Blind Caves are very prone to get "ich" Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16627	From: Sandy	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: tropical tank ph question

I wrote in a few weeks back about problems with my 10 gallon freshwater tank. I now have tested the water from the tap before adding. Everything looks good and the ph and alkalinity look in the middle range. I made a 20% water change and after that did the test on the water. Everything looks pretty good, the ammonia was a small amount above okay. But the ph and alkalinity were way down almost below the low. The question I hoped to ask is should I add ph up to the tank. I know I have read it is best to leave it and work with what can live in rather than change. The only thing is that I wonder if there is a problem. I am not sure if I ever asked this question on this list. When I first started the tank over a year ago. I did not realize at the time that using water from a water softener was not something to do. After finding that out, I started using water from the regular tap. I have been doing that for about 2 or 3 months now. Could the tank still be trying to adjust from that mistake I made? I do also add a small amount of aquarium salt to the tank each time. I also now am using only novaqua and no ammoqel plus unless needed. Thank you again for your generous help, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16628	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: tropical tank ph question

Sandy, First, let's get some numbers from those tests you have done. OK doesn't really man anything. Second, refresh me on the fish you have in that tank. I can recall the gourami, and I think something about barbs or tetras, but I'm not sure. Also, let me refer you to the post I made yesterday around noon, titled Aquarium Water vs. Water in the Wild. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:31 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] tropical tank ph question I wrote in a few weeks back about problems with my 10 gallon freshwater tank. I now have tested the water from the tap before adding. Everything looks good and the ph and alkalinity look in the middle range. I made a 20% water change and after that did the test on the water. Everything looks pretty good, the ammonia was a small amount above okay. But the ph and alkalinity were way down almost below the low. The question I hoped to ask is should I add ph up to the tank. I know I have read it is best to leave it and work with what can live in rather than change. The only thing is that I wonder if there is a problem. I am not sure if I ever asked this question on this list. When I first started the tank over a year ago. I did not realize at the time that using water from a water softener was not something to do. After finding that out, I started using water from the regular tap. I have been doing that for about 2 or 3 months now. Could the tank still be trying to adjust from that mistake I made? I do also add a small amount of aquarium salt to the tank each time. I also now am using only novaqua and no ammoqel plus unless needed. Thank you again for your generous help, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16629	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: tropical tank ph question

Steve, I answered your reply to this message to your email address. Thank you, Sandy Sandy, First, let's get some numbers from those tests you have done. OK doesn't really man anything. Second, refresh me on the fish you have in that tank. I can recall the gourami, and I think something about barbs or tetras, but I'm not sure. Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:38:48 -0500 From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Subject: RE: tropical tank ph question [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16630	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results

I am also replying this to the list, because I think that everyone should see this discussion. It may help them as well. Alkalinity has two meanings. We speak of the alkalinity of the water when it has a pH above 7.0. Also, alkalinity refers to the buffering capacity of the water, which is very different from pH. It is the second we should be concerned about here. If water has an alkalinity of 0, it is very unstable so far as pH is concerned. It would not take much of a change to cause the pH to crash. If your water out of the tap is measuring 0 alkalinity, I'd be worried about the state of the piping in your home, particularly if they are metal pipes, though the water people are probably adding chemicals to prevent their pipes from corroding. I'm not sure how to cure this, and I am in the process of rearranging my library so I'm not even sure of the location of the reference that could tell me off hand. I hope someone can chime in here to fill you I on this. With the ammonia and nitrite readings, it looks as though your tank is still cycling, or the biomass is overloading the bacterial population that processes nitrogenous wastes. You are going to need to get this stabilized before you can even think about adding anything to the tank, though I would not advise it even after the stabilization. The guppy you have would be happier in water of a higher pH since their range includes waters that have higher pH and also brackish waters. The upsidedown cat is probably _Synodontis nigriventris_ and hails from the Congo (Zaire) where waters are considerably more soft and of lower pH than those of Lake Tanganyika, where other species of _Synodontis_ can be found. This is important to note, since many people presume all African fishes prefer hard alkaline water, based on reports of the African cichlids from the rift lakes of Africa. Much of the water in Africa is not of the hard and alkaline variety, but softer and lower in pH, much like the habitat of many South American fish. I'd say that you are pushing the limits of your tank for population. Your upsidedown cat will reach near 4", if it is the fish I think it is. You don't tell us what kind of fish your algae eater is, so one can presume a larger size for that one as well. When full grown, the neons should go to about 1.5 inches and the tiger barbs (not barb tetras) will go about 3.25 inches (plus, they are a deeper bodied fish). Even if you were to follow the old saw of 1 inch of fish per gallon of water, you are already overcrowded, and that rule usually leads to over crowding in and of itself. If you want more fish, get another, larger tank. If you want more fish and only have room for one tank, get the biggest tank you can find that will fit into the space you have. The larger the tank, the more likely it is to absorb any missteps on your part. It will also be able to support more fish. As alluded to in a prior sentence, it is more stable, both in maintaining a water temperature, as well as maintaining other water parameters. Hang onto the 10, though, it will come in handy as a quarantine tank for new or sick fish. I am glad that you found the message "Aquarium Water vs. Water in the Wild" useful. I hope others will read it and comment on it as well. I do think it is a subject that should be explored more. \\Steve// ________________________________ From: Sandy Kay [mailto:knightwriter101@...] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:51 PM To: steve@... Subject: aquatic member ph test results the alkalinity was 0, the nitrite was 0.5, the ammonia was 0.25, the ph is 6.4, the hardness was 125, the nitrate is 20. I hope this is the information you want. I have 3 neon tetras, 3 tiger barb tetras, 1 algae eater, 1 female guppy, 1 upside down cat. When things get back to normal, I want to add 1 gourmi. Do you think this is all I should have in a 10 gallon tank? I sent you another email thank you for the article on water. It was excellent. I still want to read again. The tap water alkalinity was in the ideal range, the ph was mid range, there was no ammonia. Thank you very much for your help, Sandy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16631	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy

The alkalinity reading for our tap water is 120 using the Mardel Test kit. The ph is 7.2 and the hardness is 120. I do have a 55 gallon and used to have it going. But I do not have a place to set it up in our larger new house yet. So hense the reason for having a 10. It is all the room I have and I love a fish tank going. I do not know a lot about pipes and water. So really appreciate your helping me out. I am learning many new things. Evidently I was trying to keep too many fish so that will have to change. I am still not sure what to do with the ph problem. Should I add ph plus as the Mardel test kit recommends? It also says to add buffer up, not sure if I should do that either. I think maybe where some of the problem started is at the start. I did not know water going through a water softener you were not supposed to use. I did use if for a few months before realizing the mistake I had made. So now am using the tap water with the readings I mentioned for about 2 or 3 months What I wonder is if the tank has not been able to rebound from the soft water. I do make a 20% water change every week or week and a half. Sandy -------Original Message------- From: Steve Szabo Date: 03/05/06 13:38:10 To: 'Sandy Kay'; Aquatic Life Subject: RE: aquatic member ph test results I am also replying this to the list, because I think that everyone should see this discussion. It may help them as well. Alkalinity has two meanings. We speak of the alkalinity of the water when it has a pH above 7.0. Also, alkalinity refers to the buffering capacity of the water, which is very different from pH. It is the second we should be concerned about here. If water has an alkalinity of 0, it is very unstable so far as pH is concerned. It would not take much of a change to cause the pH to crash. If your water out of the tap is measuring 0 alkalinity, I'd be worried about the state of the piping in your home, particularly if they are metal pipes, though the water people are probably adding chemicals to prevent their pipes from corroding. I'm not sure how to cure this, and I am in the process of rearranging my library so I'm not even sure of the location of the reference that could tell me off hand. I hope someone can chime in here to fill you I on this. With the ammonia and nitrite readings, it looks as though your tank is still cycling, or the biomass is overloading the bacterial population that processes nitrogenous wastes. You are going to need to get this stabilized before you can even think about adding anything to the tank, though I would not advise it even after the stabilization. The guppy you have would be happier in water of a higher pH since their range includes waters that have higher pH and also brackish waters. The upsidedown cat is probably _Synodontis nigriventris_ and hails from the Congo (Zaire) where waters are considerably more soft and of lower pH than those of Lake Tanganyika, where other species of _Synodontis_ can be found. This is important to note, since many people presume all African fishes prefer hard alkaline water, based on reports of the African cichlids from the rift lakes of Africa. Much of the water in Africa is not of the hard and alkaline variety, but softer and lower in pH, much like the habitat of many South American fish. I'd say that you are pushing the limits of your tank for population. Your upsidedown cat will reach near 4", if it is the fish I think it is. You don't tell us what kind of fish your algae eater is, so one can presume a larger size for that one as well. When full grown, the neons should go to about 1.5 inches and the tiger barbs (not barb tetras) will go about 3.25 inches (plus, they are a deeper bodied fish). Even if you were to follow the old saw of 1 inch of fish per gallon of water, you are already overcrowded, and that rule usually leads to over crowding in and of itself. If you want more fish, get another, larger tank. If you want more fish and only have room for one tank, get the biggest tank you can find that will fit into the space you have. The larger the tank, the more likely it is to absorb any missteps on your part. It will also be able to support more fish. As alluded to in a prior sentence, it is more stable, both in maintaining a water temperature, as well as maintaining other water parameters. Hang onto the 10, though, it will come in handy as a quarantine tank for new or sick fish. \\Steve// ________________________________ From: Sandy Kay [mailto:knightwriter101@...] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:51 PM To: steve@... Subject: aquatic member ph test results the alkalinity was 0, the nitrite was 0.5, the ammonia was 0.25, the ph is 6.4, the hardness was 125, the nitrate is 20. I hope this is the information you want. I have 3 neon tetras, 3 tiger barb tetras, 1 algae eater, 1 female guppy, 1 upside down cat. When things get back to normal, I want to add 1 gourmi. Do you think this is all I should have in a 10 gallon tank? I sent you another email thank you for the article on water. It was excellent. I still want to read again. The tap water alkalinity was in the ideal range, the ph was mid range, there was no ammonia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16632	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy

Sandy, Much better alkalinity reading out of the tap. Let' see, looking back, I see your current tank pH is 6.4. Out of the tap it is 7.2. Measured in the tank, the alkalinity is 0 and out of the tap it is 120. We now need to get the water back into shape (this is one reason why it is so dangerous to mess with water chemistry). We have a 0.8 difference in the pH, so we should work on this, then the other will come into line as well, I would suspect. I am thinking that if you do water changes daily of about 1 gallon per change, we should start to see things get back into line before too long. Do not add any conditioner to the water except one that acts only on the chlorine/chloramine that is in your water supply. Check your pH each day prior to the water change. We would hope to see it rising after a day or two of water changes. Once the pH starts to rise, check the alkalinity, it should be rising also. We are going to be doing a balancing act here for a while, as we don't want the pH to come up too rapidly, as this may adversely affect the fish. That is why we are going to be checking the pH daily prior to doing the water change. If it rises more than 0.1 in a day, don't change the water that day, but wait and check the pH the next day. If it remains the same for two days, we have pretty much started winning the battle, and you can slow down on the water changes and the tank should stabilize. The fish should survive with the higher pH, even though they would prefer another level. The pH of your tank will probably remain lower than that coming from the tap, but that is to be expected. It is caused by the biological processes happening in the tank. Once things have stabilized, do a 20% water change each week. You may also wish to start looking at fish that enjoy a higher pH than the fish you have for when the time comes to move to a larger tank, or there is room in your current tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy The alkalinity reading for our tap water is 120 using the Mardel Test kit. The ph is 7.2 and the hardness is 120. I do have a 55 gallon and used to have it going. But I do not have a place to set it up in our larger new house yet. So hense the reason for having a 10. It is all the room I have and I love a fish tank going. I do not know a lot about pipes and water. So really appreciate your helping me out. I am learning many new things. Evidently I was trying to keep too many fish so that will have to change. I am still not sure what to do with the ph problem. Should I add ph plus as the Mardel test kit recommends? It also says to add buffer up, not sure if I should do that either. I think maybe where some of the problem started is at the start. I did not know water going through a water softener you were not supposed to use. I did use if for a few months before realizing the mistake I had made. So now am using the tap water with the readings I mentioned for about 2 or 3 months What I wonder is if the tank has not been able to rebound from the soft water. I do make a 20% water change every week or week and a half. Sandy -------Original Message------- From: Steve Szabo Date: 03/05/06 13:38:10 To: 'Sandy Kay'; Aquatic Life Subject: RE: aquatic member ph test results I am also replying this to the list, because I think that everyone should see this discussion. It may help them as well. Alkalinity has two meanings. We speak of the alkalinity of the water when it has a pH above 7.0. Also, alkalinity refers to the buffering capacity of the water, which is very different from pH. It is the second we should be concerned about here. If water has an alkalinity of 0, it is very unstable so far as pH is concerned. It would not take much of a change to cause the pH to crash. If your water out of the tap is measuring 0 alkalinity, I'd be worried about the state of the piping in your home, particularly if they are metal pipes, though the water people are probably adding chemicals to prevent their pipes from corroding. I'm not sure how to cure this, and I am in the process of rearranging my library so I'm not even sure of the location of the reference that could tell me off hand. I hope someone can chime in here to fill you I on this. With the ammonia and nitrite readings, it looks as though your tank is still cycling, or the biomass is overloading the bacterial population that processes nitrogenous wastes. You are going to need to get this stabilized before you can even think about adding anything to the tank, though I would not advise it even after the stabilization. The guppy you have would be happier in water of a higher pH since their range includes waters that have higher pH and also brackish waters. The upsidedown cat is probably _Synodontis nigriventris_ and hails from the Congo (Zaire) where waters are considerably more soft and of lower pH than those of Lake Tanganyika, where other species of _Synodontis_ can be found. This is important to note, since many people presume all African fishes prefer hard alkaline water, based on reports of the African cichlids from the rift lakes of Africa. Much of the water in Africa is not of the hard and alkaline variety, but softer and lower in pH, much like the habitat of many South American fish. I'd say that you are pushing the limits of your tank for population. Your upsidedown cat will reach near 4", if it is the fish I think it is. You don't tell us what kind of fish your algae eater is, so one can presume a larger size for that one as well. When full grown, the neons should go to about 1.5 inches and the tiger barbs (not barb tetras) will go about 3.25 inches (plus, they are a deeper bodied fish). Even if you were to follow the old saw of 1 inch of fish per gallon of water, you are already overcrowded, and that rule usually leads to over crowding in and of itself. If you want more fish, get another, larger tank. If you want more fish and only have room for one tank, get the biggest tank you can find that will fit into the space you have. The larger the tank, the more likely it is to absorb any missteps on your part. It will also be able to support more fish. As alluded to in a prior sentence, it is more stable, both in maintaining a water temperature, as well as maintaining other water parameters. Hang onto the 10, though, it will come in handy as a quarantine tank for new or sick fish. \\Steve// ________________________________ From: Sandy Kay [mailto:knightwriter101@...] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:51 PM To: steve@... Subject: aquatic member ph test results the alkalinity was 0, the nitrite was 0.5, the ammonia was 0.25, the ph is 6.4, the hardness was 125, the nitrate is 20. I hope this is the information you want. I have 3 neon tetras, 3 tiger barb tetras, 1 algae eater, 1 female guppy, 1 upside down cat. When things get back to normal, I want to add 1 gourmi. Do you think this is all I should have in a 10 gallon tank? I sent you another email thank you for the article on water. It was excellent. I still want to read again. The tap water alkalinity was in the ideal range, the ph was mid range, there was no ammonia.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16633	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Kuli Loach

Hello all As I was putting some babies in a net in my 50 gallon, one of my kuli loaches got out of the tank. (no idea how) We put him back in as soon as we saw him on the floor, but he is not well today. Anything I can do or is he going to die? Cynthia

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16634	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Wood suitable for canopy

Sorry for the x post but I thought I'd get as many opinions as I could. For a reason that is too long to go into here I have to fabricate a frame for the canopy for my 77 gal tank. This frame will be exposed to condensation from the tank. I have bought a waterproof paint, water based if you can believe that, but I am still worried about some leaching from frame into the tank due to the heavy humidity there. Is there any particular wood that I should avoid using? I am leaning toward Douglas fir as its cheap, light and easy to work with. Any opinions or suggestions? Thanks all Rob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16635	From: hank voss	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Wood suitable for canopy

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Rob Zanussi <rzanussi@...> wrote: > > > For a reason that is too long to go into here I have to fabricate a frame > for the canopy for my 77 gal tank. This frame will be exposed to > condensation > > Rob > Rob: In the past i made some water storage vats out of plywood and painted them with marine polyurethane which worked very well they were in use for around 15 yrs. without any leaks or peeling. For the first coat i thinned down the polyurethane so it really soaked into the wood then did 2-3 normal coats lightly sanding between coats you can use clear or satin types which ever you like best.Since they came out with water based poly. ive been using that to seal old slate bottom tanks this product seems to work out also but ive only used it for the 2-3 yrs so its still under test.I use the same prep as for the wood. Regards Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16636	From: Phil	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any advice on community tank, please?

hey! some apistos would work well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16637	From: Allison Kulp	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: greetings

Namaste. I've worked with bettas for three years or so, still have one that's four years old, but this gave me some idea about where to purchase stock - such as places that do practice good fishkeeping, and not to let the pretty but sickly ones capture my heart. I had a beautiful clear ghost or xray betta who lasted two whole weeks or the betta who gave herself brain damage when trapped between two big rocks for a weekend - she had seizures worse than me. I have also learned some LFS stores shove shyer fish together so as those who try to hide by burrowing under their tankmates or against the filter get dead or traumatized pretty quick. I think the best one was a store where in two visits I saw ich infect an entire wall of fish, a puffer fish labeled as a moray eel with several tankmates, more dead than live fish in several tanks including big old koi, and someone dumping out at least twenty dead mollies they'd gotten out of one tank out so as to use the same dipper to scoop out a gourami without even giving it a quick rinse. Poor fish ;( I've been doing goldfish and some peaceful aquarium fish for a few months. In my freshwater heated tank I have some snails who magically appeared from the plants. They have dark cowrie style shells with gold spots and dark bodies. I'd like to know what they are, and how I can get other odd snail types. I like snails, I'll admit it. I want to set up a small tiger barb tank, with three green and three yellow, along with my upside down catfish. Would this be feasible? I have tons of plants and some decorations with ledges for it. Would any other larger catfish, like a pictus, do better? Could I do a barb and catfish tank? Currently, I have a tank with 2 immature corys, 1 immature pictus, 1 immature upside down catfish, 2 dwarf gourami and 6 zebra danios. The pictus and upside down catfish hide in the ledges and decorations. I'm probably doing something very bad, but everyone seems content, and the catfish seem more active and less terrified than they were at the LFS. The levels are all a-ok, I was once a medical technician, so I know a bit about chemistry and equilibrium. Also, I did some of the stocking according to books that say these fish will be at the top, these at the bottom, etc, and also they won't do this - everyone mixes around the tank. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated - Al.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16638	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach

Probably not at this time. However, if you were to post how, exactly, he is not well, perhaps we can give you some suggestions. Many fish that take the "leap of faith" do survive, though it can be a bit of a rough road for them. Many do not. In the mean time, you may want to put something in the tank that will promote the production of the slime coat that all fish have. Novaqua and Polyaqua come to mind, but there are others claiming to do the same. This will not harm your other fish. If a fish looked savable to me, I'd have placed him in a separate tank, by himself, and then treated as above, and do what ever else may have been required to help him along. Since you placed him in that tank that had other fish, or so I am presumptuous enough to think, we will need to tread carefully with any cures he may need. Also, since it is a kuhli loach, he is liable to disappear, behind something or into the substrate, which will make keeping an eye on him pretty difficult. You may not know if he survived for months or years until he shows his whiskered snout again. Wish you and your fish well. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederic Ouellet Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach Hello all As I was putting some babies in a net in my 50 gallon, one of my kuli loaches got out of the tank. (no idea how) We put him back in as soon as we saw him on the floor, but he is not well today. Anything I can do or is he going to die? Cynthia

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16639	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Wood suitable for canopy

Use what you want. Just use a good marine grade coating--paint, varnish, etc.--on it, and you should be good to go with it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Zanussi Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:07 PM To: AngieandAndrewsAquatics@...; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Wood suitable for canopy Sorry for the x post but I thought I'd get as many opinions as I could. For a reason that is too long to go into here I have to fabricate a frame for the canopy for my 77 gal tank. This frame will be exposed to condensation from the tank. I have bought a waterproof paint, water based if you can believe that, but I am still worried about some leaching from frame into the tank due to the heavy humidity there. Is there any particular wood that I should avoid using? I am leaning toward Douglas fir as its cheap, light and easy to work with. Any opinions or suggestions? Thanks all Rob

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16640	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any advice on community tank, please?

Thanks for advice, Phil! Will look into... Phil writes: > hey! some apistos would work well.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16641	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy re

Hi Steve, Thank you so much for helping me out. I am going to do the changes you recommend below. Will get back when something happens or changes. May be a few days. Sandy From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> Subject: RE: RE: aquatic member ph test results ~ sorry for being long from Sandy Sandy, Much better alkalinity reading out of the tap. Let' see, looking back, I see your current tank pH is 6.4. Out of the tap it is 7.2. Measured in the tank, the alkalinity is 0 and out of the tap it is 120. We now need to get the water back into shape (this is one reason why it is so dangerous to mess with water chemistry). We have a 0.8 difference in the pH, so we should work on this, then the other will come into line as well, I would suspect. I am thinking that if you do water changes daily of about 1 gallon per change, we should start to see things get back into line before too long. Do not add any conditioner to the water except one that acts only on the chlorine/chloramine that is in your water supply. Check your pH each day prior to the water change. We would hope to see it rising after a day or two of water changes. Once the pH starts to rise, check the alkalinity, it should be rising also. We are going to be doing a balancing act here for a while, as we don't want the pH to come up too rapidly, as this may adversely affect the fish. That is why we are going to be checking the pH daily prior to doing the water change. If it rises more than 0.1 in a day, don't change the water that day, but wait and check the pH the next day. If it remains the same for two days, we have pretty much started winning the battle, and you can slow down on the water changes and the tank should stabilize. The fish should survive with the higher pH, even though they would prefer another level. The pH of your tank will probably remain lower than that coming from the tap, but that is to be expected. It is caused by the biological processes happening in the tank. Once things have stabilized, do a 20% water change each week. You may also wish to start looking at fish that enjoy a higher pH than the fish you have for when the time comes to move to a larger tank, or there is room in your current tank. \\Steve// [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16642	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: I am at odds with this.

The decision to get another fish tank. It would mean number three for me. I am wondering if I should get another one or not. I have one tank that has over ten fish in it and it is a 29 gallon tank. I was thinking about getting another 29 gallon tank set up. And the place I was thinking of putting it was in the kitchen where it would be seen when we are cooking or entertaining people in the kitchen. I plan on using a 60 gallon filter for the tank and putting about five of my fishes from my 29 gallon tank in it plus another compy. Should I get another tank or just sacrifice five Angelfishes to the grave? They are doing okay in the 29 gallon tank. But I want them to be able to spread their wings out. I know five to a tank is overcrowding but I wasn't sure if they would make it from their breeder to my place so I ordered ten and all survived the trip. Beth Brownell

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16643	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: I am at odds with this.

Beth, I am bad on that one, my poor husband, got the plans almost done for him to cut the boards to make another rack so I can add more tanks. Course at the stage where I need to think about getting a 100g rubbermaid water trough to move the catfish into since they are starting to out grow the tank they are in. We have a tank in the diningroom (36g square) which has been great, since no TV during dinner it becomes the entertainment over conversation, and when everyone is done with dinner seems we all sit around still discussing the days activities, so for us the tank in the diningroom has been quite beneficial. Course the fish are beggars, so we always save them uncooked veggies so they can eat with us. Shannon Beth Brownell <spencer_creek_studios@...> wrote: The decision to get another fish tank. It would mean number three for me. I am wondering if I should get another one or not. I have one tank that has over ten fish in it and it is a 29 gallon tank. I was thinking about getting another 29 gallon tank set up. And the place I was thinking of putting it was in the kitchen where it would be seen when we are cooking or entertaining people in the kitchen. I plan on using a 60 gallon filter for the tank and putting about five of my fishes from my 29 gallon tank in it plus another compy. Should I get another tank or just sacrifice five Angelfishes to the grave? They are doing okay in the 29 gallon tank. But I want them to be able to spread their wings out. I know five to a tank is overcrowding but I wasn't sure if they would make it from their breeder to my place so I ordered ten and all survived the trip. Beth Brownell SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16644	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach

He died. :( Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach Probably not at this time. However, if you were to post how, exactly, he is not well, perhaps we can give you some suggestions. Many fish that take the "leap of faith" do survive, though it can be a bit of a rough road for them. Many do not. In the mean time, you may want to put something in the tank that will promote the production of the slime coat that all fish have. Novaqua and Polyaqua come to mind, but there are others claiming to do the same. This will not harm your other fish. If a fish looked savable to me, I'd have placed him in a separate tank, by himself, and then treated as above, and do what ever else may have been required to help him along. Since you placed him in that tank that had other fish, or so I am presumptuous enough to think, we will need to tread carefully with any cures he may need. Also, since it is a kuhli loach, he is liable to disappear, behind something or into the substrate, which will make keeping an eye on him pretty difficult. You may not know if he survived for months or years until he shows his whiskered snout again. Wish you and your fish well. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederic Ouellet Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach Hello all As I was putting some babies in a net in my 50 gallon, one of my kuli loaches got out of the tank. (no idea how) We put him back in as soon as we saw him on the floor, but he is not well today. Anything I can do or is he going to die? Cynthia Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16645	From: supamii	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: blue-green slime algae!!!

i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in the tank (although there were... i took them out) i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) anyone with experience with slime algae please help out!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16646	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: I am at odds with this.

Well, the kitchen is a tough place to have a tank. You would be surprised at the amount of grease that can collect on the water's surface. Beefing up the filtration may help. When I had a tank in the kitchen--was running out of places to put tanks in an apartment--it required more maintenance than the other tanks. However having said that, I take it you are going to use the tank for angels. If that is the case, you might want to have a tank like the 37 gallon from All-Glass Aquarium. It has the same footprint as a 29, but is 22 inches tall rather than 18. If you have a good line of angels, they can get to 8" SL and the height from the tip of the anal to the tip of the dorsal could reach to 12". In order for the angels to develop this type of finnage, or a finnage in proportion to their adult length, they do need a deep tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Brownell Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I am at odds with this. The decision to get another fish tank. It would mean number three for me. I am wondering if I should get another one or not. I have one tank that has over ten fish in it and it is a 29 gallon tank. I was thinking about getting another 29 gallon tank set up. And the place I was thinking of putting it was in the kitchen where it would be seen when we are cooking or entertaining people in the kitchen. I plan on using a 60 gallon filter for the tank and putting about five of my fishes from my 29 gallon tank in it plus another compy. Should I get another tank or just sacrifice five Angelfishes to the grave? They are doing okay in the 29 gallon tank. But I want them to be able to spread their wings out. I know five to a tank is overcrowding but I wasn't sure if they would make it from their breeder to my place so I ordered ten and all survived the trip. Beth Brownell Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16647	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Kuli Loach

Ahhh, too bad. Sometimes they make it sometimes they don't. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederic Ouellet Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 7:15 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach He died. :( Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach Probably not at this time. However, if you were to post how, exactly, he is not well, perhaps we can give you some suggestions. Many fish that take the "leap of faith" do survive, though it can be a bit of a rough road for them. Many do not. In the mean time, you may want to put something in the tank that will promote the production of the slime coat that all fish have. Novaqua and Polyaqua come to mind, but there are others claiming to do the same. This will not harm your other fish. If a fish looked savable to me, I'd have placed him in a separate tank, by himself, and then treated as above, and do what ever else may have been required to help him along. Since you placed him in that tank that had other fish, or so I am presumptuous enough to think, we will need to tread carefully with any cures he may need. Also, since it is a kuhli loach, he is liable to disappear, behind something or into the substrate, which will make keeping an eye on him pretty difficult. You may not know if he survived for months or years until he shows his whiskered snout again. Wish you and your fish well. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederic Ouellet Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:59 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Kuli Loach Hello all As I was putting some babies in a net in my 50 gallon, one of my kuli loaches got out of the tank. (no idea how) We put him back in as soon as we saw him on the floor, but he is not well today. Anything I can do or is he going to die? Cynthia

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16648	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

how much do you feed them??? starve them for a couple days... they will be ok... trust me! i thought it would be bad...... it works great. I skipped a few feedings and spaced them... the algea slowly went away... i also upped the co2 ... my tank happens to be planted... Kris supamii <supamii@...> wrote: i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in the tank (although there were... i took them out) i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) anyone with experience with slime algae please help out! Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16649	From: Patrick	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

You will need to use antibiotics to remove the bacterial slime. It is not algae, so normal algae treatments won't do it. You might be able to scrape it out. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in the tank (although there were... i took them out) i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) anyone with experience with slime algae please help out!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16650	From: Captain Dudedude	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Help me!!

I think my fish is dying! She lays on the bottom of the tank breathing, she has been like this all day. Is there anything I can do?! Please help, Brian

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16651	From: supamii	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

a characteristic of blue-green slime algae is that it is very easy to remove. unfortunately it grows very rapidly given optimal conditions. i noted earlier that i prefered not to add any anti-biotics or chemicals since i dont want to bother with the biological filters and such. has anyone else had experience with successfully removing this slime algae?? whats the source of this outrageous growth? i have of course a medium-planted tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick" <patrickmn@...> wrote: > > You will need to use antibiotics to remove the bacterial slime. It is not > algae, so normal algae treatments won't do it. You might be able to scrape > it out. > > Patrick > ----- Original Message ----- > > i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that > mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do > partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in > the tank (although there were... i took them out) > > i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the > exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 > hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) > > anyone with experience with slime algae please help out! >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16652	From: supamii	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

i feed my fishes once a day and they average about 1-2 flakes per fish... i feel like i am starving them at times- so it seems unlikely that overfeeding would be the culprit. i too have a planted tank, its a medium-planted with less demanding plants like java ferns and swords- but i still have a basic co2 system set up. btw, my lights are on about 11 hours a day with the timer. sooo, help! anyone else with similar troubles with slime algae as i do? help! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@...> wrote: > > how much do you feed them??? starve them for a couple days... they will be ok... trust me! i thought it would be bad...... it works great. I skipped a few feedings and spaced them... the algea slowly went away... i also upped the co2 ... my tank happens to be planted... > > Kris > > supamii <supamii@...> wrote: > i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that > mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do > partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in > the tank (although there were... i took them out) > > i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the > exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 > hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) > > anyone with experience with slime algae please help out! > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16653	From: dreammaker2623	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

It sounds like you have too much phosphorus in your water . You need to find out how much phosphorus is in your water and try to remove it. One thing might be with the plant food that you use on your aquatic plants. Depending on the types of plants you might want to cut down on the time that the light is on in your tank. YOu might also consider putting more plants in the tank to outcompete the algae for the avaliable plant foods and light.` --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "supamii" <supamii@...> wrote: > > i feed my fishes once a day and they average about 1-2 flakes per > fish... i feel like i am starving them at times- so it seems unlikely > that overfeeding would be the culprit. > > i too have a planted tank, its a medium-planted with less demanding > plants like java ferns and swords- but i still have a basic co2 system > set up. > > btw, my lights are on about 11 hours a day with the timer. > > sooo, help! anyone else with similar troubles with slime algae as i > do? help! > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@> > wrote: > > > > how much do you feed them??? starve them for a couple days... they > will be ok... trust me! i thought it would be bad...... it works > great. I skipped a few feedings and spaced them... the algea slowly > went away... i also upped the co2 ... my tank happens to be planted... > > > > Kris > > > > supamii <supamii@> wrote: > > i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read that > > mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but i do > > partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead leaves in > > the tank (although there were... i took them out) > > > > i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know the > > exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 > > hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) > > > > anyone with experience with slime algae please help out! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area > United kingdom South africa > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16654	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

i don't know if it works for freshwater tanks but in saltwater many people use something called chemi-clean. --- Patrick <patrickmn@...> wrote: > You will need to use antibiotics to remove the > bacterial slime. It is not > algae, so normal algae treatments won't do it. You > might be able to scrape > it out. > > Patrick > ----- Original Message ----- > > i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- > ive read that > mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are > to blame but i do > partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are > no dead leaves in > the tank (although there were... i took them out) > > i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does > anyone know the > exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 > pristellas, 6 > hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) > > anyone with experience with slime algae please help > out! > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16655	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!

water perameters... what kind of fish would be helpful in assessing the situation.. Captain Dudedude <brianskywalker@...> wrote: I think my fish is dying! She lays on the bottom of the tank breathing, she has been like this all day. Is there anything I can do?! Please help, Brian Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16656	From: supamii	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: blue-green slime algae!!!

so youre saying slime-algae is due to phosphorus? perhaps you have a link to an article about slime algae which involves high levels of phosphorous? anyway- im quite mindful of the amount of plant food that is added. i add a very small amount of plant food once a week or so to ensure that there is some iron and potassium for the plants- otherwise they would not be able to intake all the other nutrients in the water. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dreammaker2623" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote: > > It sounds like you have too much phosphorus in your water . You need > to find out how much phosphorus is in your water and try to remove > it. One thing might be with the plant food that you use on your > aquatic plants. Depending on the types of plants you might want to > cut down on the time that the light is on in your tank. YOu might > also consider putting more plants in the tank to outcompete the > algae for the avaliable plant foods and light.` > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "supamii" <supamii@> wrote: > > > > i feed my fishes once a day and they average about 1-2 flakes per > > fish... i feel like i am starving them at times- so it seems > unlikely > > that overfeeding would be the culprit. > > > > i too have a planted tank, its a medium-planted with less demanding > > plants like java ferns and swords- but i still have a basic co2 > system > > set up. > > > > btw, my lights are on about 11 hours a day with the timer. > > > > sooo, help! anyone else with similar troubles with slime algae as > i > > do? help! > > > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@> > > wrote: > > > > > > how much do you feed them??? starve them for a couple days... > they > > will be ok... trust me! i thought it would be bad...... it works > > great. I skipped a few feedings and spaced them... the algea slowly > > went away... i also upped the co2 ... my tank happens to be > planted... > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > supamii <supamii@> wrote: > > > i have whats sometimes refered to as cyanobacteria- ive read > that > > > mainly poor water quality or dissolved organics are to blame but > i do > > > partial water changes every 1.5 weeks and there are no dead > leaves in > > > the tank (although there were... i took them out) > > > > > > i prefer not to dump chemicals in the tank so does anyone know > the > > > exact source of this? (15 gal tank with 1 angel, 5 pristellas, 6 > > > hengel rasboras and a small pleco ) > > > > > > anyone with experience with slime algae please help out! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, > thanks. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old > subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area > > United kingdom South africa > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16657	From: Captain Dudedude	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!

I think they are trout. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@...> wrote: > > water perameters... what kind of fish would be helpful in assessing the situation.. > > Captain Dudedude <brianskywalker@...> wrote: I think my fish is dying! She lays on the bottom of the tank breathing, she has been like > this all day. Is there anything I can do?! > > Please help, > Brian > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16658	From: hank voss	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Help me!!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Captain Dudedude" <brianskywalker@...> wrote: > > I think they are trout. ==================== =========================== If they are trout they do not do well in aquariums unless you can give them coolwater/ Hank > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, kristopher helsing <punk3r12@> wrote: > > > > water perameters... what kind of fish would be helpful in assessing the situation.. > > > > Captain Dudedude <brianskywalker@> wrote: I think my fish is dying! She lays on the > bottom of the tank breathing, she has been like > > this all day. Is there anything I can do?! > > > > Please help, > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & > if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new > subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South > africa > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16659	From: Sandy Kay	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve

Hi, I've done the 1 gallon water change as you suggested for 3 days now. I thought it would be good to send the readings again. Alkalinity 0, nitrite 0 ph 6.4, hardness 120, nitrate 20 with the mardel test kit. The ph may be a tad higher but not much. Do you know how long it will take to see it go up. Will it take a few weeks. What should it would read when it is right. I know it can vary. Just am not sure where it should be in the range of. I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. The fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the water. Is that okay? Thanks so much for any help, Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16660	From: hank voss	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kay" <knightwriter101@...> wrote SANDY: You write that you have live plants and they are doing well,and the fish seem healthy why are tou trying to change the water conditions? If everything is ok with the tank you are better off leaving things alone rather thantrying to change the water chemistry to what the books tell you what they should be.Fish are very adaptable. Its like the old saying (if it aint broke dont fix it). Best Hank I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. > > The fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is > a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have > had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the > water. Is that okay? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16661	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve

Hank, She had a pH crash and lost a number of fish a few weeks ago. We are trying to get her alkalinity up and her water more in line with what is coming out of the tap. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank voss Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:17 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kay" <knightwriter101@...> wrote SANDY: You write that you have live plants and they are doing well,and the fish seem healthy why are tou trying to change the water conditions? If everything is ok with the tank you are better off leaving things alone rather thantrying to change the water chemistry to what the books tell you what they should be.Fish are very adaptable. Its like the old saying (if it aint broke dont fix it). Best Hank I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. > > The fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is > a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have > had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the > water. Is that okay? > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16662	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve

Sandy, Stay the course. You mentioned your nitrite is now 0, which is good. I would be willing to think that your ammonia has also gone down to 0 or close to it, by now. I'm not real concerned that the alkalinity has not yet started to rise. I don't know how sensitive your kit is, so we need to take a wait and see attitude here. Continue as you have been. Glad to hear that the fish and plants are responding. They may be liking the water changes <g>. Until the alkalinity starts to go upward, we are not likely to see much in the way of the pH rising. When the heater kicks in, and is running, turn it down just enough to turn off the indicator light. Do this every few days until you get the temperature down to a more comfortable level for everyone. Probably around 75-76^0 F. At the rate the temperature will come down, you should not have to worry about ich setting in. It will be a slow comfortable drop in temperature for everyone. "Maybe this world is another planet's hell." Aldous Huxley -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Kay Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] aquatic member ph test results~ Steve Hi, I've done the 1 gallon water change as you suggested for 3 days now. I thought it would be good to send the readings again. Alkalinity 0, nitrite 0 ph 6.4, hardness 120, nitrate 20 with the mardel test kit. The ph may be a tad higher but not much. Do you know how long it will take to see it go up. Will it take a few weeks. What should it would read when it is right. I know it can vary. Just am not sure where it should be in the range of. I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. The fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the water. Is that okay? Thanks so much for any help, Sandy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16663	From: Sandra Kay	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve

Steve, Thank you for explaining what I am trying to do with my tank. You said it better than I could have. I sincerely appreciate your help and will continue with what you say to do. I'll reply back in another week or so. I am so glad to be receiving good help. Sandy --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Sandy, > > Stay the course. You mentioned your nitrite is now 0, which is good. I would > be willing to think that your ammonia has also gone down to 0 or close to > it, by now. I'm not real concerned that the alkalinity has not yet started > to rise. I don't know how sensitive your kit is, so we need to take a wait > and see attitude here. Continue as you have been. Glad to hear that the fish > and plants are responding. They may be liking the water changes <g>. > > Until the alkalinity starts to go upward, we are not likely to see much in > the way of the pH rising. > > When the heater kicks in, and is running, turn it down just enough to turn > off the indicator light. Do this every few days until you get the > temperature down to a more comfortable level for everyone. Probably around > 75-76^0 F. At the rate the temperature will come down, you should not have > to worry about ich setting in. It will be a slow comfortable drop in > temperature for everyone. > > "Maybe this world is another planet's hell." > Aldous Huxley > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sandy Kay > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] aquatic member ph test results~ Steve > > Hi, I've done the 1 gallon water change as you suggested for 3 days now. I > thought it would be good to send the readings again. Alkalinity 0, nitrite 0 > ph 6.4, hardness 120, nitrate 20 with the mardel test kit. The ph may be a > tad higher but not much. Do you know how long it will take > to see it go up. Will it take a few weeks. What should it would read when it > is right. I know it can vary. Just am not sure where it should be in the > range of. I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. The > fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is > a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have > had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the > water. Is that okay? Thanks so much for any help, Sandy >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16664	From: Brian	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: cleaning a used tank

I just got an 80 gallon tank today it is a used tank, it is covered in brown algae and the rocks were clumped together with a brown slime it was a mess. I moved the fish in to a clean tank and mixed the water 50/ 50 clean new water and old tank waterto prevent shock to the fish, but I want to clean the tank and get it up and running. Should I soak the gravel in a bleach solution or salt water as for the tank I am going to let it dry then take a scraper to it and peal the algae off the glass to start then wash with a mild bleach solution and rense 7 or 8 times. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16665	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank

The tank is empty now right ??? FOR A GLASS TANK-( rememebr this is just how I'd do it ) Drain, move to location you can use bleach. Fill to 1/2 way mark throw in a Cup of bleach 40 gallons water/ 1 cup of bleach SHOULD not be to excessive.. I'd probally throw 2 cups of bleach myself. stir the gravel a couple times allowing the gravel to be mixed. wash down the walls of the tank above and below the water line... You'll notice most of the stuff should come off. Once your satisfied you can't wash anymore Drain tank...... I like removing all the gravel and throwing in a bucket at this time. You'll need to rinse the gravel 4 or 5 times before putting it back in. Look at the tank, still some spots that need work? I like pouring vinegar and a pinch of salt on a washcloth and washing the stubborn spots. With alittle elbow grease most spots will come clean. re To rinse gravel I like throwing a waterhose in the bucket and allowing to over fill for an hour. Every 10 minutes stirring it with a stick, broom handle, etc. When you do fill your tank back up use a water conditioner to remove chlorine and chloramines. remember your tank is Now sterile You will have to go through the CYCLE again... 1 fish 2 fish let sit, 3 fish 4 fish let sit... will take awhile to get the tank fully stocked. FOR AN ACRYLIC tank - someone else will have to give advice Rob Renfro NE Indiana Proud member of www.ftas.net, www.midwestcichlid.com www.goodeids.com In a message dated 3/11/2006 2:10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time, brian_herfel@... writes: I just got an 80 gallon tank today it is a used tank, it is covered in brown algae and the rocks were clumped together with a brown slime it was a mess. I moved the fish in to a clean tank and mixed the water 50/ 50 clean new water and old tank waterto prevent shock to the fish, but I want to clean the tank and get it up and running. Should I soak the gravel in a bleach solution or salt water as for the tank I am going to let it dry then take a scraper to it and peal the algae off the glass to start then wash with a mild bleach solution and rense 7 or 8 times. Any advice would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16666	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank

I like your plan, but don't let the tank dry out. Wash it with the same kind of solution you are using for the gravel and rocks and scrape or wipe the algae off the glass--try wiping first, then scraping if there are any stubborn spots. As for the choice between the bleach or salt solution, I don't think it really matters. Both will perform a disinfecting function. Bleach is probably more efficient, but any remaining salt in the tank will not harm the new inhabitants of the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:44 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] cleaning a used tank I just got an 80 gallon tank today it is a used tank, it is covered in brown algae and the rocks were clumped together with a brown slime it was a mess. I moved the fish in to a clean tank and mixed the water 50/ 50 clean new water and old tank waterto prevent shock to the fish, but I want to clean the tank and get it up and running. Should I soak the gravel in a bleach solution or salt water as for the tank I am going to let it dry then take a scraper to it and peal the algae off the glass to start then wash with a mild bleach solution and rense 7 or 8 times. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16667	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Cloudy aglae water ...HELP

Hey Guys I have a little problem ...I think.. I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some advise please. Thanks very much Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16668	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank

Brian, Your plan looks well thought out. Would just like to add what I do in cleaning out and preparing a previously used glass tank to be set up again for new occupants, for your consideration. I set the tank somewhere where I know I can flush it thoroughly without any problems, like in the driveway (on old plywood if you'd prefer, although not really necessary). Making sure its level, I then fill it to the brim and add 1/4 cup of bleach per 25 gallons, and leave it sit for at least 20 to 30 minutes (longer, if you have the time). This should kill most pathogens associated with fish diseases, which you want to ensure if the source of the tank is unknown. Filling it only half-way will not guarantee you're exposing all possible pathogens to this more complete procedure. You can scrape the sides of the algae either before or after the soak. Afterwards, its a good idea to use a nylon scrubby pad on the sides to ensure they're free of all such traces. After draining, I wipe the uppermost top of the innside of the tank, including the frame/trim, with straight bleach using rubber gloves -- this takes care of any other possible pathogens that could not be killed for any lack of filling the tank to the very topmost areas that may have escaped exposure to the bleach solution. Drain and rinse thoroughly and you have a sterile tank. Your gravel is probably best cleaned in buckets (w/bleach solution), and afterwards can be thoroughly rinsed of all bleach and residue by forcing your hose down into the gravel, letting the dirty water continually overflow the bucket until it is clear. Ray -- --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <brian_herfel@...> wrote: > > I just got an 80 gallon tank today it is a used tank, it is covered in > brown algae and the rocks were clumped together with a brown slime it > was a mess. I moved the fish in to a clean tank and mixed the water 50/ > 50 clean new water and old tank waterto prevent shock to the fish, but > I want to clean the tank and get it up and running. Should I soak the > gravel in a bleach solution or salt water as for the tank I am going to > let it dry then take a scraper to it and peal the algae off the glass > to start then wash with a mild bleach solution and rense 7 or 8 times. > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16669	From: heather norton	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank

Q:cleaning a used tank that is filthy I just got an 80 gallon tank today it is a used tank, it is covered in brown algae and the rocks were clumped together with a brown slime it was a mess. I moved the fish in to a clean tank and mixed the water 50/ 50 clean new water and old tank water to prevent shock to the fish, but I want to clean the tank and get it up and running. Should I soak the gravel in a bleach solution or salt water as for the tank I am going to let it dry then take a scraper to it and peal the algae off the glass to start then wash with a mild bleach solution and rinse 7 or 8 times. Any advice would be appreciated. A: If I got a tank needing cleaning of any kind I use a fifty ,fifty solution of sea salt and baking soda it has done wonders for me ,bleach is dangerous and I don't feel it is all gone when you restart the tank As far as the gravel is concerned you may be best to save yourself some heartache and funds by starting with new gravel because it doesn't sound to healthy to me anyway Heather Norton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16670	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: OT: Diamondback Terrapin Survey

I am a member of ASIH (American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists), mainly to get their publication Copeia. The other day I received in the mail a postcard which I am including the text below. I know that this is pretty much way off topic for the lists I am sending this to, but I also know that there are a certain number of the list members who actually get out and into areas where the diamondbacks can be found. If you are one of those people, why not help out with this survey? INFORMATION NEEDED ON DIAMONDBACK TERRAPINS If you have ever seen terrapins in the wild, please fill out an on-line survey about the current and past status and range of the diamondback terrapin (_Malaclemys terrapin_). Also please spread the news of this survey to any other appropriate person. The survey is at www.people.hofstra.edu/terrapin, or you can request a paper version for the address below. Historically the diamondback terrapin has been reported in salt marshes and mangrove swamps from Cape Cod, MA to Corpus Christi, TX. They are perhaps most commonly seen basking or crossing roads to nest. Your help is greatly appreciated. Dr. Russell Burke Department of Biology Hofstra University Hempstead, NY 11549 516 463 5521 biorlb@... \\Steve// "It is much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem." - Malcolm Forbes

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16671	From: J G	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: sick (?) Betta

Hey guys... just wondering if any of you can shed some light on a slight problem I seem to have... I have 3 male betas, in a divided tank. It's the screen divisors that Pet Co has to set up sections for baby fish, etc. So the water can move between sections but the fish cant. I haven't had any problems with them other than the occasional boarder patrol, trying to look bigger & badder than their neighbor. Other than the time I accidentally hit the divider separating 2 of the fish, moving it back enough for the middle one to sneak into the one end where the two had a little rumble going on till I caught them & separated them & fixed the divider. One the one who thus far has stayed in his own section, I noticed a small white patch on his "back" a little before the body/tail switch. If he were a car, I'd say someone just scratched the paint job. That area was kind of bulged to. I tried to get a good pic of it, but I guess I'm no photographer, so... forget that. When I first noticed it I thought it might be a fungus, so I dropped one of my anti-fungal tablets into his section. He seemed alright, not acting strange or anything. Friday I went to collect the fish to get them ready to come home for spring break... I noticed these light brown-ish bubbles over his eyes... I know some breeds of goldfish have something similar to them - but his isn't as puffy as the goldfish kind. The other 2 don't have these bubbles, or white spots (though its not as visible right now). They're all in the same tank, so the water would be equally as bad for all of them. Only difference in the sections is a heater in the center section (to diffuse the heat to the 2 neighboring sections faster). They all seem to be swimming around like normal. Anyone with any ideas of what's wrong, how to treat it, etc? Any help would be greatly appreciated. They're all in their own cups right now so if its communicable, the damage is done... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16675	From: Brian	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: cleaning a used tank

Thanks for all the advice. I am in no hurry to get the tank set up so I am using bleach on it then will rinse it good drain it then fill it and let it stand for a week or so to age the water and get rid of excess clorean. this tank will be replacing a 35 gallon tank that I have runing now so when I have the new tank in place I will empty the 35 gallon tank into it to give it a jump start for cycling. I will let you know how it goes when I get it all clean. thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16676	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE REAL HIM?/To Ahmad

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16677	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Can any member give me some help?????

Hey Guys I have a little problem ...I think.. I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some advise please. Thanks very much Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16678	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

We used an algae product that is for ponds. It binds the algae together so that the filter can pick it up. I just followed the directions, then waited a few hours to do a water change. Worked for me! Try your local pet store Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Can any member give me some help????? Hey Guys I have a little problem ...I think.. I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some advise please. Thanks very much Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16679	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

Hi Steve, There are more experienced guys then me here -- they will probably responde also. How old is your tank? IMHO it seems that your tank is not fully cycled yet. Take a look at http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html for instance. There is a ton of nice pages about it -- I do not have them handy at the moment. Good luck, Dmitry Steve Martinez writes: > Hey Guys > > I have a little problem ...I think.. > > I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla > shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not > get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I > have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my > nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level > is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels > down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using > Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I > have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy > water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some > advise please. > > Thanks very much > Steve > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16680	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

Demitry My tank is about 1 month old Steve --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: > Hi Steve, > There are more experienced guys then me here -- they will probably responde > also. How old is your tank? IMHO it seems that your tank is not fully cycled > yet. Take a look at http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html for instance. > There is a ton of nice pages about it -- I do not have them handy at the > moment. > Good luck, > Dmitry > > Steve Martinez writes: > > > Hey Guys > > > > I have a little problem ...I think.. > > > > I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla > > shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not > > get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I > > have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my > > nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level > > is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels > > down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using > > Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I > > have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy > > water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some > > advise please. > > > > Thanks very much > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16681	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

Steve, It looks more and more like your tank did not finish it's initial cycling yet. The cycling is slowed down buy the water changes (that you should definitely do, otherwise your fish can get hurt by ammonia and nitrite). After the tank will finish cycling (2-3 more months? may be earlier?) the cloudiness in the water will disappear (it is actually the bacteria blooming). I guess you should keep doing you daily WC. I use only the "Prime" for the dechlorination, but you might be better of with what you are using right now -- definitely with the Stress Coat, I think. I am not familiar with the Cycle Once -- somebody might give you better information on this one. Good luck, Dmitry Steve Martinez writes: > Demitry > > My tank is about 1 month old > > Steve > > --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> There are more experienced guys then me here -- they will probably responde >> also. How old is your tank? IMHO it seems that your tank is not fully cycled >> yet. Take a look at http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html for instance. >> There is a ton of nice pages about it -- I do not have them handy at the >> moment. >> Good luck, >> Dmitry >> >> Steve Martinez writes: >> >> > Hey Guys >> > >> > I have a little problem ...I think.. >> > >> > I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla >> > shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not >> > get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I >> > have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my >> > nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level >> > is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels >> > down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using >> > Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I >> > have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy >> > water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some >> > advise please. >> > >> > Thanks very much >> > Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16682	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

Dmitry Thanks for the advise.. I will continue doing that water changes. How much longer should I do the water changes for? Steve --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: > Steve, > It looks more and more like your tank did not finish it's initial cycling > yet. The cycling is slowed down buy the water changes (that you should > definitely do, otherwise your fish can get hurt by ammonia and nitrite). > After the tank will finish cycling (2-3 more months? may be earlier?) the > cloudiness in the water will disappear (it is actually the bacteria > blooming). > > I guess you should keep doing you daily WC. I use only the "Prime" for the > dechlorination, but you might be better of with what you are using right now > -- definitely with the Stress Coat, I think. I am not familiar with the > Cycle Once -- somebody might give you better information on this one. > Good luck, > Dmitry > > Steve Martinez writes: > > > Demitry > > > > My tank is about 1 month old > > > > Steve > > > > --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: > > > >> Hi Steve, > >> There are more experienced guys then me here -- they will probably responde > >> also. How old is your tank? IMHO it seems that your tank is not fully cycled > >> yet. Take a look at http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html for instance. > >> There is a ton of nice pages about it -- I do not have them handy at the > >> moment. > >> Good luck, > >> Dmitry > >> > >> Steve Martinez writes: > >> > >> > Hey Guys > >> > > >> > I have a little problem ...I think.. > >> > > >> > I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla > >> > shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not > >> > get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I > >> > have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my > >> > nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level > >> > is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels > >> > down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using > >> > Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I > >> > have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy > >> > water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some > >> > advise please. > >> > > >> > Thanks very much > >> > Steve > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16683	From: harry perry	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????/Steve

I would stop the chemicals alltogether and only do a water change once a week. Sounds like the tank is trying to cycle. Let it be for a week. It also sounds like a case of overfeeding. Once a day or everyother day is fine. Harry Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: Hey Guys I have a little problem ...I think.. I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some advise please. Thanks very much Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16684	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

Steve, I think you should do the WC untill the nitrite reading will fall to zero just to prevent you fish from poisoning. Dmitry Steve Martinez writes: > Dmitry > > Thanks for the advise.. I will continue doing that water changes. How much longer should I do the > water changes for? > > Steve > > --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: > >> Steve, >> It looks more and more like your tank did not finish it's initial cycling >> yet. The cycling is slowed down buy the water changes (that you should >> definitely do, otherwise your fish can get hurt by ammonia and nitrite). >> After the tank will finish cycling (2-3 more months? may be earlier?) the >> cloudiness in the water will disappear (it is actually the bacteria >> blooming). >> >> I guess you should keep doing you daily WC. I use only the "Prime" for the >> dechlorination, but you might be better of with what you are using right now >> -- definitely with the Stress Coat, I think. I am not familiar with the >> Cycle Once -- somebody might give you better information on this one. >> Good luck, >> Dmitry >> >> Steve Martinez writes: >> >> > Demitry >> > >> > My tank is about 1 month old >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > --- Dmitry V Gorelov <gorelov@...> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> There are more experienced guys then me here -- they will probably responde >> >> also. How old is your tank? IMHO it seems that your tank is not fully cycled >> >> yet. Take a look at http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html for instance. >> >> There is a ton of nice pages about it -- I do not have them handy at the >> >> moment. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Dmitry >> >> >> >> Steve Martinez writes: >> >> >> >> > Hey Guys >> >> > >> >> > I have a little problem ...I think.. >> >> > >> >> > I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla >> >> > shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not >> >> > get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I >> >> > have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my >> >> > nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level >> >> > is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels >> >> > down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using >> >> > Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I >> >> > have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy >> >> > water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some >> >> > advise please. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks very much >> >> > Steve >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16685	From: cody adams	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: hello everyone

I have a question i have a 55 gallon tank and i am not sure what to put in it , i have a 125 gallon to that i will set up later but right now i am worried about the 55 gallon any suggestions , i was thinking about bucktooth tetras any suggestions from anyone , i want aggressive fish , i have had over the years , jaguars, doviis, red devils, red terrors, green terrors, buterkofi, jack dempseys , flower horns, and texas cichlids

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16686	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: hello everyone

Personally i love Bichirs! they are bad ass.. cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: I have a question i have a 55 gallon tank and i am not sure what to put in it , i have a 125 gallon to that i will set up later but right now i am worried about the 55 gallon any suggestions , i was thinking about bucktooth tetras any suggestions from anyone , i want aggressive fish , i have had over the years , jaguars, doviis, red devils, red terrors, green terrors, buterkofi, jack dempseys , flower horns, and texas cichlids Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16687	From: Brian	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: one more cleaning question

The tank I got had a nice piece of wood in it and I would like to put it back in the tank. However I need to clean it before I do. How should I go about cleaning it? If I use bleach I am worried it will bleach the wood and the bleach will soak in to the wood, should I use see salt water if so how strong? Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16688	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Can any member give me some help?????

add some plants. Something may have knocked the beneficial bacterium out of whack...let it cycle again. Also, what how much you are feeding them...you may be overloading the system with excess food causing the imbalance The water changes could also be impeding the re-cycling. As long as the fish seem healthy...you may be fine. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Martinez Sent: Monday, 13 March 2006 05:22 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Can any member give me some help????? Hey Guys I have a little problem ...I think.. I have a 55 gallon tank and it is stocked with 2 pleco's, a balla shark and 7 small other tetras. My problem is that the tank will not get uncloudy and there is a gleen algae at the bottom of the tank. I have tested the ph and it is at between 7.0 - 7.2. I tested my nitrate/nitrite levels and my nitrate level is 0 but my nitrite level is 3.0 ( which it says is stress ) how do I get the nitrite levels down?? The temp of the tank is 75 degrees. I am currently using Cycle once a week and stress coat when there is a water change. I have been doing 20% water changes once a day to get rid of the cloudy water and the algae...should I be doing this. Can anyone give me some advise please. Thanks very much Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16689	From: Dmitry V Gorelov	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: one more cleaning question

Hi Brian, I've soaked/washed mine in the bleach (probably a bit too strong solution) and then soaked in a bucket of water (used hot one from the tub) with fair amount of declorinator (like 5x times normal) for a week. The piece of wood came out white as a bone, but in a month or so in the tank it darkened back to what it used to be. I did not use see salt -- I think it is doable, just a bit more time soaking would be needed, but this is just a guess. Good luck, Dmitry Brian writes: > The tank I got had a nice piece of wood in it and I would like to put > it back in the tank. However I need to clean it before I do. How > should I go about cleaning it? If I use bleach I am worried it will > bleach the wood and the bleach will soak in to the wood, should I use > see salt water if so how strong? > > > Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16690	From: cody adams	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: a question

so in ur opinion whats is the most aggressive cichlids . as far as me i have yet had any of mine reach full maturity but in my 55 gallon at set up before i moved i had a pair of jaguars and a pair of red devils , jewel cichlids and green terrors, at first the jauguars ruled the tank especially the biggest one, but i went over seas for two months and when i came back the big jaugar got killed and eaten , i do not know how i think my room mate did not feed then , but after the big one died the big red devil took over the tank. then when i had my other 125 gallon tank , my buterkofi ruled over about 4 red devils, two doviis , a jack , two flower horns and a flordia gar which was left alone but the red devil would challenge him and the doviis were not big enough yet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16691	From: Saphire Draco	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: New member

Hi, My name is Jennifer and I'm the owner of four freshwater tanks. Largest is a 30 gallon tall livebearing tank, the second is a 20 gallon tank that is waiting for a new group of fish to call it home, the third is a 15 gallon tall that is a female betta tank and the last is a ten gallon used for breeding. I have currently, three male betta, 2 female, around 10 to 12 platy, two silver molly and six green corries. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16692	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: New member

Welcome to the group Jennifer. It sounds like you have a nice set up there. Enjoy the group you will certainly learn a lot here. Take care and have a great day. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Saphire Draco Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New member Hi, My name is Jennifer and I'm the owner of four freshwater tanks. Largest is a 30 gallon tall livebearing tank, the second is a 20 gallon tank that is waiting for a new group of fish to call it home, the third is a 15 gallon tall that is a female betta tank and the last is a ten gallon used for breeding. I have currently, three male betta, 2 female, around 10 to 12 platy, two silver molly and six green corries. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16693	From: Ash	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1147

my oscars are particularly agressive... ----- Original Message ----- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:20:47 -0000 From: "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> Subject: a question so in ur opinion whats is the most aggressive cichlids . as far as me i have yet had any of mine reach full maturity but in my 55 gallon at set up before i moved i had a pair of jaguars and a pair of red devils , jewel cichlids and green terrors, at first the jauguars ruled the tank especially the biggest one, but i went over seas for two months and when i came back the big jaugar got killed and eaten , i do not know how i think my room mate did not feed then , but after the big one died the big red devil took over the tank. then when i had my other 125 gallon tank , my buterkofi ruled over about 4 red devils, two doviis , a jack , two flower horns and a flordia gar which was left alone but the red devil would challenge him and the doviis were not big enough yet

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16694	From: Alesha-Animal and Anime lover!	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: New Here!

Hello,my name is Alesha. And,I'm new here! I have 3 fish,2 guppies,and 1 pleco. And,1 snail. I might be getting a betta,soon,also. And,I will be getting more guppies,for the Male. Thank you for letting me join. Love, Alesha.- betta lover

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16695	From: harry perry	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: A true story

We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or are they? This is a true story, it really happened. A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward signs and a hundred options of what was going on inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive behavior.That wasn't the case. The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to upright it. The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering above the body. We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it did. Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16696	From: kevin shaw	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story

WOW .. harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or are they? This is a true story, it really happened. A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward signs and a hundred options of what was going on inside. I decided to let nature take it's course. I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive behavior. That wasn't the case. The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to upright it. The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering above the body. We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it did. Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Mr. Kevin Shaw: Director/ Sub-Web Yellow Pages http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/SUBWEB-YELLOWPAGES/links/ --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16697	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story

Amazing!!! Have always been a firm believer that fish have "emotions" "comradery""bad fin days" etc... Bought a pair of adult Kribs a while back, they had come out of a large community tank at a LFS, got them home set up in their own tank. Well after watching them for a few days, they looked really "depressed" so went to the guru's shop to talk to him, he wasn't in but the young guy who works for him was. Was telling him they were depressed, he of course firmly believes I'm crazy fish don't get depressed. I continue to tell him I know my fish they are not happy. So finally after a few minutes of debating the "fish have emotions" and what can I put in with them, get some ruby tetras (spelling/name) Get the tetras home, acclimated, released, wouldn't you know it, they were just happy as clams to have friends!! Shannon harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or are they? This is a true story, it really happened. A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward signs and a hundred options of what was going on inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive behavior.That wasn't the case. The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to upright it. The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering above the body. We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it did. Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16698	From: harry perry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon

How do you know if a clam is happy?????? Harry Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Amazing!!! Have always been a firm believer that fish have "emotions" "comradery""bad fin days" etc... Bought a pair of adult Kribs a while back, they had come out of a large community tank at a LFS, got them home set up in their own tank. Well after watching them for a few days, they looked really "depressed" so went to the guru's shop to talk to him, he wasn't in but the young guy who works for him was. Was telling him they were depressed, he of course firmly believes I'm crazy fish don't get depressed. I continue to tell him I know my fish they are not happy. So finally after a few minutes of debating the "fish have emotions" and what can I put in with them, get some ruby tetras (spelling/name) Get the tetras home, acclimated, released, wouldn't you know it, they were just happy as clams to have friends!! Shannon harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or are they? This is a true story, it really happened. A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward signs and a hundred options of what was going on inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive behavior.That wasn't the case. The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to upright it. The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering above the body. We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it did. Harry Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16699	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon

Harry, Lol good point, not like they have alot of social interaction. How about happy as happy can be a Krib with company to hang with in their krib Shannon harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: How do you know if a clam is happy?????? Harry Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Amazing!!! Have always been a firm believer that fish have "emotions" "comradery""bad fin days" etc... Bought a pair of adult Kribs a while back, they had come out of a large community tank at a LFS, got them home set up in their own tank. Well after watching them for a few days, they looked really "depressed" so went to the guru's shop to talk to him, he wasn't in but the young guy who works for him was. Was telling him they were depressed, he of course firmly believes I'm crazy fish don't get depressed. I continue to tell him I know my fish they are not happy. So finally after a few minutes of debating the "fish have emotions" and what can I put in with them, get some ruby tetras (spelling/name) Get the tetras home, acclimated, released, wouldn't you know it, they were just happy as clams to have friends!! Shannon harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or are they? This is a true story, it really happened. A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward signs and a hundred options of what was going on inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive behavior.That wasn't the case. The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to upright it. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16700	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Shannon

Not trying to negate fish emotion or intelligence but the tetras act as dither fish and swim about the tank and make the other fish feel secure. This allows them to come out of hiding or sulking and move about the tank. I have used this method with cichlids that tend to hide until the dither fish are introduced. Mike In a message dated 3/19/2006 7:44:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, So finally after a few minutes of debating the "fish have emotions" and what can I put in with them, get some ruby tetras (spelling/name) Get the tetras home, acclimated, released, wouldn't you know it, they were just happy as clams to have friends!! Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16701	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Happy Clams

Yep. When I had my danios out, my other fish became bored and aggressive. I put the danions back in and they were again fine and out as usual. Oh, and my fish do get depressed, happy, etc... =) Right now they are all happy as "clams." I think they say clams are happy because it looks like they are smiling with that giant "smiling" space between top and bottom shell. Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:45 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] A true story/Shannon Not trying to negate fish emotion or intelligence but the tetras act as dither fish and swim about the tank and make the other fish feel secure. This allows them to come out of hiding or sulking and move about the tank. I have used this method with cichlids that tend to hide until the dither fish are introduced. Mike In a message dated 3/19/2006 7:44:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, So finally after a few minutes of debating the "fish have emotions" and what can I put in with them, get some ruby tetras (spelling/name) Get the tetras home, acclimated, released, wouldn't you know it, they were just happy as clams to have friends!! Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+rom ania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=1 02&.sig=tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buc harest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+afri ca&c=5&s=102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w 2=Bucharest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South +africa&c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Buchar est+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Buchares t+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c= 5&s=102&.sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16702	From: Gregg	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: New member in DFW,TX

Hello all My name is Gregg and I am in Cleburne, south of Ft.Worth,TX. Any other members in the DFW,Ft.Worth area? Thanks, Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16703	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Tetras Breeding

Hi All, I saw a very young Black Neon Tetra, about a week or 2 old in the tank today while I was cleaning. Tetras lay eggs right? I've had livebears before, but that got out of control, especially those guppies. This new tetra was a real suprise. There is a male Betta in the tank, I put him in the breeding net to keep him isolated so he won't eat the baby. Does anybody have experience with breeding tetras? How many eggs vs fry are there? What do the eggs look like? There are about 15 Regular Neons and 5 or 6 Adult Black Neons. Its a 55 gallon with lots of Hornwort, driftwood and Java Moss several inches thick - that's where the fry was hiding. Do the regular Neons breed in captivity also? Any info is helpful. Thanks, Aaron

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16704	From: SuNnY	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding

HI Aaron, Congratulations ! This is the first time i have heard Neons breeding in Captivity. I had earlie read that they dont do so and are cought in the wild only. Do keep us posted and If you could post a few photos of your tank that would be appreciated..... Cheers.....SuNnY ! "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: Hi All, I saw a very young Black Neon Tetra, about a week or 2 old in the tank today while I was cleaning. Tetras lay eggs right? I've had livebears before, but that got out of control, especially those guppies. This new tetra was a real suprise. There is a male Betta in the tank, I put him in the breeding net to keep him isolated so he won't eat the baby. Does anybody have experience with breeding tetras? How many eggs vs fry are there? What do the eggs look like? There are about 15 Regular Neons and 5 or 6 Adult Black Neons. Its a 55 gallon with lots of Hornwort, driftwood and Java Moss several inches thick - that's where the fry was hiding. Do the regular Neons breed in captivity also? Any info is helpful. Thanks, Aaron Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16705	From: hank voss	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I saw a very young Black Neon Tetra, about a week or 2 old in the > tank today while I was cleaning. > Does anybody have experience with breeding tetras? > How many eggs vs fry are there? > What do the eggs look like? > Do the regular Neons breed in captivity also? ================= ================= ============= Aaron: Yes tetras are eeg layers. Depending on the age and size of the fish will determine the amount of eggs they produce.The eggs usually dont survive in a comm. tank because all the other fish including the parents eat them.The only reason that one survived was that you had a lot of plants esp.Java moss in there.Thats where he found food and safety.The eggs are like small clear pinheads usually attached to the plants and usually hatch around 36 hrs.The amount of eggs will vary from species to species,50 to several hundred.Survival rate also varies from fish to fish( black neons on the high end and neons onthe lower end).The fry ned infusoria for their first food which they got within the java moss. Most tetras prefer soft acid water but will also bred in mod. hard water.Regular neons eggs have a rather poor survival rate,i myself would get about a 25%-50% hatch the fry are very smallAll reg neons are not tank raised because theyare imported in such large numbers from S Amer. and the far east at low cost,it just not worth the effort to raise them,except for fun.Congratulations for even raising one in a comm. tank.If you need more info. post again. Regards Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16706	From: cody adams	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: hello

can anybody tell me anything about red terrors ? how big they get and how aggressive they are . and there coloring and i am talking about a true red terror.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16707	From: Valeen Gonzalez	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: A true story

harry, that's a cool story. both fish were males i take it? --- harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or > are they? > > This is a true story, it really happened. > > A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. > > I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward > signs and a hundred options of what was going on > inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. > > I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the > blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take > advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive > behavior.That wasn't the case. > > The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the > glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away > because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The > blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to > upright it. > > The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my > heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering > above the body. > > We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it > did. > > Harry > > > Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest > destinations! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16708	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Tetras Breeding

Given the right conditions, it is rather easy to breed neons. The economics of it, however, dictate that most neons are wild caught. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SuNnY Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Tetras Breeding HI Aaron, Congratulations ! This is the first time i have heard Neons breeding in Captivity. I had earlie read that they dont do so and are cought in the wild only. Do keep us posted and If you could post a few photos of your tank that would be appreciated..... Cheers.....SuNnY ! "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: Hi All, I saw a very young Black Neon Tetra, about a week or 2 old in the tank today while I was cleaning. Tetras lay eggs right? I've had livebears before, but that got out of control, especially those guppies. This new tetra was a real suprise. There is a male Betta in the tank, I put him in the breeding net to keep him isolated so he won't eat the baby. Does anybody have experience with breeding tetras? How many eggs vs fry are there? What do the eggs look like? There are about 15 Regular Neons and 5 or 6 Adult Black Neons. Its a 55 gallon with lots of Hornwort, driftwood and Java Moss several inches thick - that's where the fry was hiding. Do the regular Neons breed in captivity also? Any info is helpful. Thanks, Aaron Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16709	From: dawnmvo	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: I've got something goin on????

Hey I have one fish with some white stuff on his fin, and one of the others with it on his fin, eye and lip. I can't see it on any of the others...yet. Any idea what this could be?? I have some Melafix here I could put in but the expiry on it is 05 07. Not sure which is the year and month. Or if I should be even giving Melafix??? Thanks Dawn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16710	From: harry perry	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: A true story/Valeen

Yes they were. Valeen Gonzalez <valeendgonzalez@...> wrote: harry, that's a cool story. both fish were males i take it? --- harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > We all know that fish aren't capable of emotion, or > are they? > > This is a true story, it really happened. > > A 30 gal. community tank mostly gouramis. > > I noticed my powder blue was in trouble. No outward > signs and a hundred options of what was going on > inside.I decided to let nature take it's course. > > I noticed a dwarf gourami in close contact to the > blue. At first I thought the dwarf was going to take > advantage of the situation by showing an aggressive > behavior.That wasn't the case. > > The dwarf was actually pinning the blue against the > glass to hold it upright. I chased the dwarf away > because I thought it was an aggressive behavior. The > blue turned on it's side and the dwarf came back to > upright it. > > The blue eventually expired. I found the fish in my > heavily planted take because the dwarf was hovering > above the body. > > We all know this isn't suppose to happen, but it > did. > > Harry > > > Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest > destinations! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Valeen Robertson Gonzalez valeendgonzalez@... Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16711	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: hello all

Hi.. Iv just joined this group , Ill post some pix of my set up when i figure out how to stop my pix from looking all Blurred..!! TTFN Paul ( Essex UK )

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16712	From: Ro	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: trip to brazil & peru

Hi, mi wife and I are interested in taking a collecting trip to brazil and Peru and I would like to know if any of you know of a group that we could join or the laws and requirements to bring the fish back to the US Thank you for the info Rodrigo

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16713	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: hello all

Paul, I believe if you search the archives here, you will find a thread or two about photography of fish in the tank. It is not the easiest trick in the book to do. Pretty much, focus on one spot in the tank, and wait for the fish to enter the focus area, then take your picture. There are a number of tricks to prevent flashback (the glare from the flash coming off the glass of the tank). You can take good photos, you just need to learn patience. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paul whitby Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hello all Hi.. Iv just joined this group , Ill post some pix of my set up when i figure out how to stop my pix from looking all Blurred..!! TTFN Paul ( Essex UK ) Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16714	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: trip to brazil & peru

Check out this web site: http://www.amazon-ecotours.com/expeditions.htm -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ro Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:35 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] trip to brazil & peru Hi, mi wife and I are interested in taking a collecting trip to brazil and Peru and I would like to know if any of you know of a group that we could join or the laws and requirements to bring the fish back to the US Thank you for the info Rodrigo Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16715	From: paul	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: hello all

Thanks for the info Steve.... Iv got a few pix now but they wont up-load to the group ...i keep getting a yahoo error.. Ill keep trying ... Thanks Paul. Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: Paul, I believe if you search the archives here, you will find a thread or two about photography of fish in the tank. It is not the easiest trick in the book to do. Pretty much, focus on one spot in the tank, and wait for the fish to enter the focus area, then take your picture. There are a number of tricks to prevent flashback (the glare from the flash coming off the glass of the tank). You can take good photos, you just need to learn patience. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paul whitby Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:22 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] hello all Hi.. Iv just joined this group , Ill post some pix of my set up when i figure out how to stop my pix from looking all Blurred..!! TTFN Paul ( Essex UK ) Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16716	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: trip to brazil & peru

Rodrigo, I believe their is a small Yahoo group for collecting expeditions, you might ask their to see if anyone has information. The best groups I know of to ask questions on collecting is the _sacsg@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:sacsg@yahoogroups.com) many members have gone collecting, some are authors in the fish hobby and cichlid hobby. My local aquarium society has a lot of guest speakers and one of them had been collecting in Brazil in the last couple years and mentioned that exporting fish from Brazil is very difficult right now. Brazil has made it very difficult for hobbyist collectors to export, people with University credentials (Biologists, etc.) have a better chance of getting permits to export. I think another option is to collect the fish and have one of the fish collecting exporting business export the fish for you (for a fee of course). Please let us know where you go and how your trip was. Mike To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] trip to brazil & peru Hi, mi wife and I are interested in taking a collecting trip to brazil and Peru and I would like to know if any of you know of a group that we could join or the laws and requirements to bring the fish back to the US… Thank you for the info… Rodrigo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16717	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars

Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16718	From: harry perry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.

Try feeder gold fish. I hope you realize that when they are full grown at approx. 12" they will require approx. 80 gals. per fish. Per a Google search. Good luck with your monsters I can't afford them. Harry paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16719	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.

Thanks for the info Harry....Ill get some Gold fish today....As for there size , thats ok as iv put them in my 6x2x2 foot tank together with my 2 walking cats. Again thanks for your help. Paul harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: Try feeder gold fish. I hope you realize that when they are full grown at approx. 12" they will require approx. 80 gals. per fish. Per a Google search. Good luck with your monsters I can't afford them. Harry paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16720	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars

Paul, Not sure what you mean by "nothing is working very well". Working to do what? What are you attempting to do with the food concerning the Oscars, or what do you expect the Oscars to be doing with the food? Are you attempting to condition them up sufficiently for breeding? Is it that they just aren't eating at all? Is it that you're trying to get them to grow faster? \ If they are eating and you're trying to put more size on them faster, the first thing to keep in mind is to have them housed in as large a tank as you can swing right now. You also baven't indicated how many Oscars you have. For two 6" Oscars, a 50 gallon tank at this time would not be too small; to be upgraded as they increase in size, or a larger tank now if you have many more of them. \ Feeding them (or any other juvenile fish) 3 times a day, or up to 5 times, is not to much if you want maximum growth out of them. While you should be doing large and frequent water changes even right now, which is imperitive to their growth, you will need to increase that schedule if you increase their feeding. If you're not keeping up with frequent water changes right now, that may be part of your problem if you are not seeing much growth. \ Getting right down to the food, unless you can afford it, I would not suggest feeding them goldfish even though that will add growth to them. With Oscars, once they get to like a particular food, they become partial to it so much so that they may refuse most other foods offered them, and you willhave little choice other than to continue feeding them goldfish (and sometimes nothing else, depending upon how finicky they may become). There are many other foods you can give them which will put on growth (and be a more balanced diet); which should be varied. Nothing wrong with what you are already feeding them added to several other good foods. You can try a variety and proper size of some Cichlid growth pellets as well as frozen (thawed) mysis shrimp and nightcrawlers, cut in half if need be (or earthworms). A word of caution about feeder goldfish -- if you do attempt feeding this food, quarantine them first before feeding them to your Oscars. There have been more than just a few Oscars sickened (or lost) by feeding them diseased goldfish. Regards, Ray > > Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried > Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. > They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a > day witch seams a bit too much. > Thanks > Paul. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16721	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Pix posted

Hi all.. Iv just posted a pic of one of my Red Oscars.. Its under Paul's pix. Hope u like as it took me 2 days to get a "OK" pic..!! Im no David Bailey..lol Thanks Paul

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16722	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Hello Re: Oscars/Feeding monsters.

Hi again Paul, I hadn't seen this post until now, but putting the Oscars in what appears to be about a 180 gallon tank is a wise decision. While I don't know anything about your water changing schedule, or frequncy thereof, I can only advise you to keep up with the water changes; you should soon start to see a difference in their size. Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the info Harry....Ill get some Gold fish today....As for there size , thats ok as iv put them in my 6x2x2 foot tank together with my 2 walking cats. > Again thanks for your help. > Paul > > harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > Try feeder gold fish. I hope you realize that when they are full grown at approx. 12" they will require approx. 80 gals. per fish. Per a Google search. Good luck with your monsters I can't afford them. > > Harry > > paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried > Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. > They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a > day witch seams a bit too much. > Thanks > Paul. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ���`�.��.>< ((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<� ((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<� ((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16723	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Thanks Ray..top chap.. Iv taken in what u say....and as im writing this thay now feeding well on stick food.! I just got a bit concerned when they did'nt feed for a day , As my Walking cats eat faster then Piranha..! These are the first oscars iv had in over 15 years of fish keeping so its a big learning curve. I was given these ( 6in Reds ) by a friend that had to re-house them fast... There in ok condition apart from some old "jewelling" Scars..! Thanks again for the info you have given me. Paul . Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Paul, Not sure what you mean by "nothing is working very well". Working to do what? What are you attempting to do with the food concerning the Oscars, or what do you expect the Oscars to be doing with the food? Are you attempting to condition them up sufficiently for breeding? Is it that they just aren't eating at all? Is it that you're trying to get them to grow faster? \ If they are eating and you're trying to put more size on them faster, the first thing to keep in mind is to have them housed in as large a tank as you can swing right now. You also baven't indicated how many Oscars you have. For two 6" Oscars, a 50 gallon tank at this time would not be too small; to be upgraded as they increase in size, or a larger tank now if you have many more of them. \ Feeding them (or any other juvenile fish) 3 times a day, or up to 5 times, is not to much if you want maximum growth out of them. While you should be doing large and frequent water changes even right now, which is imperitive to their growth, you will need to increase that schedule if you increase their feeding. If you're not keeping up with frequent water changes right now, that may be part of your problem if you are not seeing much growth. \ Getting right down to the food, unless you can afford it, I would not suggest feeding them goldfish even though that will add growth to them. With Oscars, once they get to like a particular food, they become partial to it so much so that they may refuse most other foods offered them, and you willhave little choice other than to continue feeding them goldfish (and sometimes nothing else, depending upon how finicky they may become). There are many other foods you can give them which will put on growth (and be a more balanced diet); which should be varied. Nothing wrong with what you are already feeding them added to several other good foods. You can try a variety and proper size of some Cichlid growth pellets as well as frozen (thawed) mysis shrimp and nightcrawlers, cut in half if need be (or earthworms). A word of caution about feeder goldfish -- if you do attempt feeding this food, quarantine them first before feeding them to your Oscars. There have been more than just a few Oscars sickened (or lost) by feeding them diseased goldfish. Regards, Ray > > Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried > Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. > They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a > day witch seams a bit too much. > Thanks > Paul. > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16724	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Paul, When I had my oscars (traded them in due to not having enough space to breed the pairs that had formed (3) out of 7 fish) but they were fed 3-4 times a day. Gave them cichlid sticks, once or twice a month feeder fish (no goldfish), crickets, mealworms, earthworms, bugs, cichlid pellets, brine shrimp, krill, just about anything and everything they would eat. Didn't ever measure them before I traded them all in, but they touched nose to tail across the inside of a 5gallon bucket. With my experience (no expert) the fresher the water the better their appetite was, every 2 days I would change at least 15% of the tank, kept them happy, on food, begging and doing all the fun stuff dogs trapped in fish body's do. Shannon paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16725	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Thanks for the info Shannon.... Over the past hour or so they have started taking Cichlid sticks and Blood worm.. I was given these fish by a friend that had to find a home quick ... My normal fish are Walking cats and thay eat anyting very fast , so i was a bit consernd when my Oscars did'nt feed for 2 days..! But now all is fine ... As for water changes i do a 20% change every week on my 6x2x2foot tank so they should be happy ... The only thing now is to cheer up my cats as there no longer " King of the tank"..lol Thanks again Paul. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, When I had my oscars (traded them in due to not having enough space to breed the pairs that had formed (3) out of 7 fish) but they were fed 3-4 times a day. Gave them cichlid sticks, once or twice a month feeder fish (no goldfish), crickets, mealworms, earthworms, bugs, cichlid pellets, brine shrimp, krill, just about anything and everything they would eat. Didn't ever measure them before I traded them all in, but they touched nose to tail across the inside of a 5gallon bucket. With my experience (no expert) the fresher the water the better their appetite was, every 2 days I would change at least 15% of the tank, kept them happy, on food, begging and doing all the fun stuff dogs trapped in fish body's do. Shannon paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16726	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Paul, funny how the addition of a new fish the attitudes of others get offended LOL know that happens around here on occasion. Forgot to add did feed a variety of frozen foods also. The cats never had that type, have a big boy albino channel, red tail amazon, mystus, driftwoods (they are my pot bellied pigs of my wet world) and a shovel nose still just a little baby (got to get some pics of him to have him identified all I know about him is he is a shovel nose but not like any I've seen pics of). Good luck with you Oscars, oh the reason I said that I hadn't fed goldfish to mine was told by a few different people that too many can lead to "hole in the head disease" and they were a tad "pudgy" should give them smaller/quick feeders so they had to work to catch it for excercise LOL Shannon paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: Thanks for the info Shannon.... Over the past hour or so they have started taking Cichlid sticks and Blood worm.. I was given these fish by a friend that had to find a home quick ... My normal fish are Walking cats and thay eat anyting very fast , so i was a bit consernd when my Oscars did'nt feed for 2 days..! But now all is fine ... As for water changes i do a 20% change every week on my 6x2x2foot tank so they should be happy ... The only thing now is to cheer up my cats as there no longer " King of the tank"..lol Thanks again Paul. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, When I had my oscars (traded them in due to not having enough space to breed the pairs that had formed (3) out of 7 fish) but they were fed 3-4 times a day. Gave them cichlid sticks, once or twice a month feeder fish (no goldfish), crickets, mealworms, earthworms, bugs, cichlid pellets, brine shrimp, krill, just about anything and everything they would eat. Didn't ever measure them before I traded them all in, but they touched nose to tail across the inside of a 5gallon bucket. With my experience (no expert) the fresher the water the better their appetite was, every 2 days I would change at least 15% of the tank, kept them happy, on food, begging and doing all the fun stuff dogs trapped in fish body's do. Shannon paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16727	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

hi ..thanks for the info , iv heard of " Hole in the head " sounds very nasty... They look all happy now ( even though they are sad looking.. lol ) they have just had a good helping of blood worm ..so im happy now ( it dont take much ).. Paul.. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, funny how the addition of a new fish the attitudes of others get offended LOL know that happens around here on occasion. Forgot to add did feed a variety of frozen foods also. The cats never had that type, have a big boy albino channel, red tail amazon, mystus, driftwoods (they are my pot bellied pigs of my wet world) and a shovel nose still just a little baby (got to get some pics of him to have him identified all I know about him is he is a shovel nose but not like any I've seen pics of). Good luck with you Oscars, oh the reason I said that I hadn't fed goldfish to mine was told by a few different people that too many can lead to "hole in the head disease" and they were a tad "pudgy" should give them smaller/quick feeders so they had to work to catch it for excercise LOL Shannon paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: Thanks for the info Shannon.... Over the past hour or so they have started taking Cichlid sticks and Blood worm.. I was given these fish by a friend that had to find a home quick ... My normal fish are Walking cats and thay eat anyting very fast , so i was a bit consernd when my Oscars did'nt feed for 2 days..! But now all is fine ... As for water changes i do a 20% change every week on my 6x2x2foot tank so they should be happy ... The only thing now is to cheer up my cats as there no longer " King of the tank"..lol Thanks again Paul. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, When I had my oscars (traded them in due to not having enough space to breed the pairs that had formed (3) out of 7 fish) but they were fed 3-4 times a day. Gave them cichlid sticks, once or twice a month feeder fish (no goldfish), crickets, mealworms, earthworms, bugs, cichlid pellets, brine shrimp, krill, just about anything and everything they would eat. Didn't ever measure them before I traded them all in, but they touched nose to tail across the inside of a 5gallon bucket. With my experience (no expert) the fresher the water the better their appetite was, every 2 days I would change at least 15% of the tank, kept them happy, on food, begging and doing all the fun stuff dogs trapped in fish body's do. Shannon paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16728	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

I would definetly do some research on your new Oscars. I highly recommend www.oscarfish.com they have a bunch of Oscar nuts over there who like Helping people take the best care of there Oscars as possible. Rob Renfro NE Indiana Proud member of www.ftas.net, www.midwestcichlid.com www.goodeids.com In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:21:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, paul633uk@... writes: hi ..thanks for the info , iv heard of " Hole in the head " sounds very nasty... They look all happy now ( even though they are sad looking.. lol ) they have just had a good helping of blood worm ..so im happy now ( it dont take much ).. Paul.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16729	From: paul	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Thanks Rob.. I will take a look at that site. Paul. FortWayneFish@... wrote: I would definetly do some research on your new Oscars. I highly recommend www.oscarfish.com they have a bunch of Oscar nuts over there who like Helping people take the best care of there Oscars as possible. Rob Renfro NE Indiana Proud member of www.ftas.net, www.midwestcichlid.com www.goodeids.com In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:21:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, paul633uk@... writes: hi ..thanks for the info , iv heard of " Hole in the head " sounds very nasty... They look all happy now ( even though they are sad looking.. lol ) they have just had a good helping of blood worm ..so im happy now ( it dont take much ).. Paul.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16730	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

Paul, Your welcome, like I say "not an expert" just what worked for me with experience. Can relate to "easy to make happy" for good entertainment I'll move some rocks around in one of the tanks, just to watch them explore. Or make them some kind of new decoration just to see what they'll do, think the funnest one was a tunnel, you'd thought they were drag racing the way they were almost taking turns flying through it. Good luck with you Oscars, they are a fun soon to be large fishLOL Shannon paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: hi ..thanks for the info , iv heard of " Hole in the head " sounds very nasty... They look all happy now ( even though they are sad looking.. lol ) they have just had a good helping of blood worm ..so im happy now ( it dont take much ).. Paul.. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, funny how the addition of a new fish the attitudes of others get offended LOL know that happens around here on occasion. Forgot to add did feed a variety of frozen foods also. The cats never had that type, have a big boy albino channel, red tail amazon, mystus, driftwoods (they are my pot bellied pigs of my wet world) and a shovel nose still just a little baby (got to get some pics of him to have him identified all I know about him is he is a shovel nose but not like any I've seen pics of). Good luck with you Oscars, oh the reason I said that I hadn't fed goldfish to mine was told by a few different people that too many can lead to "hole in the head disease" and they were a tad "pudgy" should give them smaller/quick feeders so they had to work to catch it for excercise LOL Shannon paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: Thanks for the info Shannon.... Over the past hour or so they have started taking Cichlid sticks and Blood worm.. I was given these fish by a friend that had to find a home quick ... My normal fish are Walking cats and thay eat anyting very fast , so i was a bit consernd when my Oscars did'nt feed for 2 days..! But now all is fine ... As for water changes i do a 20% change every week on my 6x2x2foot tank so they should be happy ... The only thing now is to cheer up my cats as there no longer " King of the tank"..lol Thanks again Paul. Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: Paul, When I had my oscars (traded them in due to not having enough space to breed the pairs that had formed (3) out of 7 fish) but they were fed 3-4 times a day. Gave them cichlid sticks, once or twice a month feeder fish (no goldfish), crickets, mealworms, earthworms, bugs, cichlid pellets, brine shrimp, krill, just about anything and everything they would eat. Didn't ever measure them before I traded them all in, but they touched nose to tail across the inside of a 5gallon bucket. With my experience (no expert) the fresher the water the better their appetite was, every 2 days I would change at least 15% of the tank, kept them happy, on food, begging and doing all the fun stuff dogs trapped in fish body's do. Shannon paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16731	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hello Re: Oscars

We had a friend that use to have 2 oscars. I use to give them live "grub" worms when I would find one hiding a piece of would after spitting it... they loved it! MM & MP, '73 Tricia, KG6PNC A 2 sites for fun http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=trycya http://www.gopetslive.com/inviter/?Trycya ----- Original Message ----- From: paul whitby To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello Re: Oscars Can anyone tell me the best food to give my Oscars..Iv tried Prawn/Lance fish/Cichlid sticks , But nothing is working very well. They are very big aprox 6in long,Iv been told to feed them 3 times a day witch seams a bit too much. Thanks Paul. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16732	From: wagtail65	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: UPDATE: Livebearer & Guppy Mega-Event April 28-30

Hi, folks. Here's the latest update for the April 28-30 Convention of the American Livebearer Association at the East Hanover, NJ Ramada Conference Center. This has become the most talk-about aquarium event in 2006, and the Program is included in the April issue of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine. The Convention is open to the public and all are welcome! Go to www.livebearers.org for brochure and registration. SCHEDULE UPDATE: Friday-April 28 8:00 am: NYC & NY Aquarium Tour boarding 4:30 pm: NYC & NY Aquarium Tour returns 6:00 pm: Convention-Show Registration opens. Vendor/Show Exposition Room opens 8:00-9:00 pm: Ted Coletti (NJ): "Planted Aquariums & Water Gardens for Livebearers" 9:30-10:30 pm: Jim Langhammer (MI): "What is a Livebearer" (you'd be surprised!) 10:00 pm: Registration & Vendor/Show Exposition Rooms close. Hospitality Room opens Saturday-April 29 9:00 am: Convention-Show Registration opens. Vendor/Show Exposition Room opens 9:00-10:00 am: Rich Serva (OH): "Xiphophorus: The Sword Carrier's Tale" 10:30-11:30 pm: Kees de Jong (Netherlands): "Collecting Livebearers" Lunch Break: Closed ALA Board Meeting 1:30-2:30 pm: Bob Larsen (NJ): "Guppies Then & Now" 2:30 pm: Convention-Show Registration closes 3:00 pm: Judging—Show Area roped off 3:00-4:00 pm: Dr. Bruce Turner (VA): "Livebearers as Exciting Systems for Evolutionary Analysis" 4:00 pm: Closed ALA Board Meeting 6:00 pm: Hospitality Room Opens. Vendor/Show Exposition Room closes 7:00 pm: Banquet in the Wardley's Banquet Hall 8:00 pm: ALA Awards Presentation 9:00 pm: Wardley's Banquet Speaker – Lee Finley (RI): "Where are all the Livebearers?" After Banquet: Hospitality Room opens Sunday April 30 9:00 am: Vendor/Show Exposition Room opens 10:00 am: Auction Registration and viewing of fish begins 12:00 pm: Super Auction Begins. (Seller/ALA split = 70/30 for ALA auction) Our speaker programs are sponsored by Wardley's and take place in the Wardley's Lecture Hall LIVEBEARERS, LIVEBEARERS, & MORE LIVEBEARERS: This year we are serving up 2 fish shows (IFGA guppy and ALA livebearer) featuring 100 shows classes and 700+ fish. Enter a fish – you'd be surprised how often a first timer takes home a plaque! With record attendance, this also means more hobbyists than ever selling fish out of their rooms, and bringing fish to the Sunday auction. Come to our auction if you can't make the whole weekend. - RARE FISH are being brought for the auction by the ALA - CZECH-BRED LIVEBEARERS with collection data are trying to be imported by Adam's Pet Safari (www.adamspetsafari.com) and will be for sale in the Vendor Area - SHOW & AUCTION RULES NOW AVAILABLE at www.livebearers.org. If you are entering the ALA show, try to bring your own mini tank. If you need one, make sure to indicate that on the registration form and we will provide one. The IFGA show will supply bowls for all entries. - ALA SHOW TO FEATURE 3-TIER RACK SYSTEM Courtesy of our friends at the North Jersey Aquarium Society. Check them out at www.njas.net and don't miss one of the most unique and largest auctions in the country May 7th in the Meadowlands, NJ. - ROOM SALES: Anyone wishing to sell livestock or dry goods from their room must register with the ALA. Doing so entitles you to advertise your wares on our Large Bulletin Board, as well as on your hotel room door. The fee for this privilege is only $5, and the proceeds are donated directly to the Vern Parish Fund. We also hope you join in a Convention tradition and provide some of your leftover livestock and wares for our Sunday auction. AND FOR YOUR FAMILY: Right on site or across the street is a multi-plex theatre, bowling, Target, and Chuck-E-Cheeze. A few blocks away is Funplex indoor amusement park (www.funplex.com) and Anchor Golfland. A few miles away is the exclusive Short Hills Mall, and Florham Park roller skating rink. The Morris Museum and Arboretum are minutes away, and American Revolution historic sites abound. Liberty State park with ferries to the Statue and Ellis Island is 29 miles away. - The Ramada will be offering free continental breakfast to attendees, and they have started an in-room Spa / Massage Service. Book your rooms by April 21st and make sure you ask for the special $89 "American Livebearer Rate" (973-386-5622). GIANT VENDOR-SHOW EXPO ROOM: in our 85' x 40' Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine Exposition Hall. We are spotlighting a mix of local and national businesses including: Hikari, Adam's Pet Safari (fish and plants), Jhemco Fishroom Supply House, The Fish Factory (books), Finley Aquatic Books, T.F.H. Publications, Eastern Aquatics Blackworms, Kingfish Services featuring products from Tetra, All-Glass Aquarium, Aquarium Flake, Aquarium Technologies, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, Discus Hans, Python, San Francisco Bay Brands, Diskus Brief & Cichlid News! WOW! - WELCOME ENDLER's LIVEBEARER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA with a display at the Convention. Stop by and find out more about the hottest fish in the hobby! - GAMBUSIA POSTER PRESENTATION by NELA's own Michael Ronayne with some live specimens. Learn the controversy of Gambusia introductions and hybridizations, as well as acclimations to winter temperatures, here in New Jersey over the past century. - "FRESHWATER FISHES OF MEXICO" the long-awaited book from Robert Rush Miller is being offered at a special price to Convention attendees only while supplies last from The Fish Factory. Only $60.00 ($10 from that amount will be donated to the Vern Parish Fund). Limit 1 per registrant. Contact Mike Schadle at mjschadle@... to reserve your copy. - NEED BLACKWORMS? Pre-order yours from our vendor, Eastern Aquatics, by April 19th and get special Convention pricing: 1/4 lb @ $6, 1/2lb @ $11 , 3/4lb @ $16 , 1lb @ $20 , 2lbs @ $19ea , 3 lbs @ $18ea , 4 lbs @ $17ea, 5 lbs @ $16ea, 6 lbs @ $15ea. Email: easternaquatics@... or leave a message at 717-898-7224 . GOODIE BAGS FOR ALL REGISTERED ATTENDEES: Courtesy of our friends at Hikari, these nice blue cloth bags feature painted fish and samples of various foods and water conditioners, show program, and a complimentary copy of the April TFH! NEW YORK TOURS FILLING UP – REGISTER NOW: - NYC TOUR: On Friday morning, relax in comfort as our chartered luxury tour bus takes you under the mighty Hudson River into exciting Times Square! Once there, a charming Tour Coach will take you on a critically-acclaimed narrated 2-Hour sightseeing tour of Midtown and Downtown Manhattan, with stops along the way! This charter has been called the "best New York tour" by several newspapers and travel authorities. After the tour, you'll have a few hours to lunch and explore the Big Apple before we return to New Jersey in our comfortable luxury charter! - CONEY ISLAND AQUARIUM WITH DR. PAUL LOISELLE: If Manhattan is not your bag, stay on the bus to travel across the East River Brooklyn's famed Coney Island and New York Aquarium. There you'll meet the legendary Dr. Paul Loiselle! Grab a bite and enjoy the famous Boardwalk until we return to Times Square and then back to the hotel in our comfortable luxury charter! MISSOURI SOCIETY CHALLENGES OTHER CLUBS: to match their $100 donation to the ALA's Vern Parish Scholarship Fund. Take the MASI Challenge and do a good thing! You gonna let some Show-Me Staters show you up? WELCOME BRISTOL ENGLAND AQUARIUM SOCIETY MEMBERS: be sure to welcome a dozen of the UK's finest livebearer hobbyists to our country! WE ARE PROUD TO ANNOUNCE TROPICAL FISH HOBBYIST MAGAZINE as the Official Magazine of ALA 2006. Stop by and say hello to the best magazine in the hobby in both our TFH Exposition and Hospitality rooms. THANK YOU Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine, T.F.H. Publications, Wardley's, Marineland, Perfecto, Ocean Nutrition, Kent Marine, Tetra, All-Glass Aquarium, Aquarium Flake, Aquarium Technologies, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, Discus Hans, Python, San Francisco Bay Brands, Diskus Brief & Cichlid News for your donations to our Sunday auction and weekend raffles! Support these companies, folks. They support our hobby! Need more info? Download our registration brochure and show and auction rules at www.livebearers.org. Hope to see you there! - Ted

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16733	From: alexr1229	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: New tank

Hello I am new to this group. I have just purchased a new tank and want to transdfer my exsiting tank into this new one. The old tank is 29 gallon and the new one is 75 gallons. I was just wonder what the steps are for doing something like this. I am just a little confused. When I got my first tank I had to have it set up for a week or so before I even put fish into it. I have been told to put my substrate from my smaller tank into the larger tank and to use my old filter until the tank has cycled. when do I make these transfers before or after please help. Also if you have an suggestions as to what other equipment I will need or should use please let me know. The only things that I have so far are the tank, stand, and hood. I am not in rush but I want to get this process started so please help me out. I am still kind of new at this stuff even though I have had my other tank for about four or so years now. It was easy with that tank it always tested good and my fish are healthly. I want to get this process started so please give me any and all the advice you so feel inclined to. Thank you Alex

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16734	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Pix posted

Hi Paul, Cograts, your photo made it to the home page have agreat weekend, Aaron --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "paul whitby" <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > Hi all.. Iv just posted a pic of one of my Red Oscars.. > Its under Paul's pix. > Hope u like as it took me 2 days to get a "OK" pic..!! > Im no David Bailey..lol > Thanks > Paul >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16735	From: clarkmariposo25@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: aquatic Plants

Does anyone know how to keep alive plants alive after receiving them in the mail? I ordered some plants online and received the other day. I put some of them into my fish tanks, but have too many leftover and want to keep the rest that I didn't use fresh any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16736	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: aquatic Plants

just a guess, I would put them in a container with enough water to cover them and leave outside in the sun during the day so they can get some light, --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, clarkmariposo25@... wrote: > > Does anyone know how to keep alive plants alive after receiving them in the > mail? I ordered some plants online and received the other day. I put some of > them into my fish tanks, but have too many leftover and want to keep the rest > that I didn't use fresh any ideas? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16737	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: New tank

Yes, that is correct, You should put old gravel and filter sponge into the new tank. It might take a couple weeks to cycle. What you can do is add a couple of small fish or a goldfish to start, and watch the levels carefully. Check ammonia/nitrite regularily. Once they reach zero you will get a rise in the nitrate levels. At this time, your tank is cycled and you can add a few more fish, but add them gradually over a period of time. If you add them all at once, even after the tank is cycled, it may have to re-cycle. Emily alexr1229 <alexr1229@...> wrote: Hello I am new to this group. I have just purchased a new tank and want to transdfer my exsiting tank into this new one. The old tank is 29 gallon and the new one is 75 gallons. I was just wonder what the steps are for doing something like this. I am just a little confused. When I got my first tank I had to have it set up for a week or so before I even put fish into it. I have been told to put my substrate from my smaller tank into the larger tank and to use my old filter until the tank has cycled. when do I make these transfers before or after please help. Also if you have an suggestions as to what other equipment I will need or should use please let me know. The only things that I have so far are the tank, stand, and hood. I am not in rush but I want to get this process started so please help me out. I am still kind of new at this stuff even though I have had my other tank for about four or so years now. It was easy with that tank it always tested good and my fish are healthly. I want to get this process started so please give me any and all the advice you so feel inclined to. Thank you Alex Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16738	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: wow...Its Jaws.!

Hi all . My fish on the home page ..wow...Jaws your a star , Have another block of worms . Thanks Paul oh...and Jaws

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16739	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: New tank

I am a newbie, but I did this and had no cycle at all. If all the “good” bacteria survive the move, why wouldn’t they take care of the ammonia and nitrite immediately? I cycled a 10 gallon with fish and 2 inches of substrate on the bottom. I had the ammonia spike, then the nitrite spike, all was zero after about a month. I waited one more month, then set up a 38 gallon tank with new substrate on the bottom (the 38 required more substrate than the 10). Then I transferred ½ of the substrate from the 10 into the 38 and gently sprinkled it on top like a thin layer of topsoil in a garden. The remaining ½ of the substrate stayed in the 10, giving me a cycled quarantine/hospital tank as a backup. I changed the 2 dirty (and bacteria-rich) cartridges from the 10-gallon tank filter, and I leaned the dirty cartridges up against rocks in the 38 gallon tank. I left them in there for about a month. I never had ammonia or nitrite in the 38-gallon tank, and the nitrates just continued to climb (within safe levels). I interpreted this to mean the bacteria had survived the transfer and continued to convert ammonia and nitrite into nitrate. Fish were added December 29 and all is well! As for other equipment, I have a power filter on the 10 and a canister filter on the 38 the power filter is too noisy, I recommend a canister as they are sooo silent! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Emily Tenczar Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:44 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New tank Yes, that is correct, You should put old gravel and filter sponge into the new tank. It might take a couple weeks to cycle. What you can do is add a couple of small fish or a goldfish to start, and watch the levels carefully. Check ammonia/nitrite regularily. Once they reach zero you will get a rise in the nitrate levels. At this time, your tank is cycled and you can add a few more fish, but add them gradually over a period of time. If you add them all at once, even after the tank is cycled, it may have to re-cycle. Emily alexr1229 <alexr1229@...> wrote: Hello I am new to this group. I have just purchased a new tank and want to transdfer my exsiting tank into this new one. The old tank is 29 gallon and the new one is 75 gallons. I was just wonder what the steps are for doing something like this. I am just a little confused. When I got my first tank I had to have it set up for a week or so before I even put fish into it. I have been told to put my substrate from my smaller tank into the larger tank and to use my old filter until the tank has cycled. when do I make these transfers before or after please help. Also if you have an suggestions as to what other equipment I will need or should use please let me know. The only things that I have so far are the tank, stand, and hood. I am not in rush but I want to get this process started so please help me out. I am still kind of new at this stuff even though I have had my other tank for about four or so years now. It was easy with that tank it always tested good and my fish are healthly. I want to get this process started so please give me any and all the advice you so feel inclined to. Thank you Alex Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16740	From: paul whitby	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: New Filter

hi all. Iv just instaled a new Fluval Biolife filter...All i can say about it is WOW..My water now looks polished.! With an out put of 490 lph/108 gph and a wet/dry trickle filter and a very good powerhead pump and room for your heater and Biomax ceramic media. All for £39.00..! I also use a PenPlex 400 Canaster filter that is 4 years old now but has never let me down..ok its a pig to prime but it works very well. So if you after a good internal filter , take a look at the Fluval Biolife. Thanks Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16741	From: 42	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX

I live in Dallas Gregg <gregg@...> wrote: Hello all My name is Gregg and I am in Cleburne, south of Ft.Worth,TX. Any other members in the DFW,Ft.Worth area? Thanks, Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16742	From: 42	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX

Gregg <gregg@...> wrote: Hello all My name is Gregg and I am in Cleburne, south of Ft.Worth,TX. Any other members in the DFW,Ft.Worth area? Thanks, Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16743	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Discus Fish

Hi Everyone, I am finally upgrading from a cold water tank with regular goldfish to a tropical tank. A friend suggested that two discus fish or a single oscar fish would be easy & unfussy to look after.. are they pulling my leg? Cheers Jules SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16744	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Discus Fish

what size tank and what is your dedication to the tank?? Julie Roughley <jules27au@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I am finally upgrading from a cold water tank with regular goldfish to a tropical tank. A friend suggested that two discus fish or a single oscar fish would be easy & unfussy to look after.. are they pulling my leg? Cheers Jules SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16745	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: New member in DFW,TX

I grew up in Plano but live in Los Angeles now. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 42 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] New member in DFW,TX I live in Dallas Gregg <gregg@...> wrote: Hello all My name is Gregg and I am in Cleburne, south of Ft.Worth,TX. Any other members in the DFW,Ft.Worth area? Thanks, Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+romania &w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102&.sig= tqNuk8sBrTnLQEVTW18CYQ> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Biology&w2=Buchare st+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s =102&.sig=8oLzFc4GWawQ8V-74Hx4_A> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Biology&w2=Bu charest+romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa& c=5&s=102&.sig=qkPFMHlXyRFUGeMMnP5r6Q> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ romania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=10 2&.sig=H3b2Q3LLNK6sakdMEZccgA> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Biology&w2=Bucharest+ro mania&w3=San+francisco+bay+area&w4=United+kingdom&w5=South+africa&c=5&s=102& .sig=fIKGg6IuoEuXo8z6-BELaw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16746	From: fiddlenero	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Reliable web resources/books

Hello everyone, Being new to this aquarium hobby, I am constantly on the lookout of more information to expand my knowledge base. I am specifically interested in the following categories of info: 1) what species of fishes are mutually compatible with each other (so that I can select my fishes accordingly)? 2) best grooming and taking care info (eg. temp, pH, food, ambience, etc.) for various fishes. However I find that internet resources can be confusing and contradictory. For example, one website recommended that I can choose barbs to go along with tetras, whereas according to another website this is a strict no-no... Hence I am conflicted and confused. Given the vast experience of many members of this forum, I will greatly appreciate if anyone can recommend me some of the RELIABLE websites regarding selection of fishes as well as their grooming and care. Are there any good books that are definite keeps? Thanks, and regards, Subh

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16747	From: Julie Roughley	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Discus Fish

Hi There, My tank is 50cm deep & 40cm across (hexagonal design), having around 100 litres of water. Happy to put in 2/3 hours a week. Cheers Julie kristopher helsing <punk3r12@...> wrote: what size tank and what is your dedication to the tank?? Julie Roughley <jules27au@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I am finally upgrading from a cold water tank with regular goldfish to a tropical tank. A friend suggested that two discus fish or a single oscar fish would be easy & unfussy to look after.. are they pulling my leg? Cheers Jules SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16748	From: steve	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: New tank

You will, of course need to get a larger filter for the larger aquarium. You might just run it with two smaller size filters permanently, and get a new filter for the old tank. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > I am a newbie, but I did this and had no cycle at all. If all the "good" > bacteria survive the move, why wouldn't they take care of the ammonia and > nitrite immediately? > ....

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16749	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books

Subh, Well, fish compatibility can be tricky. Sometimes what works for me will not work for you. This can be caused in a subtle difference in the tank setup and/or the "personality" of the fish involved. Best thing to do is to decide on a fish, and then look for fish that are claimed to be good companions. You should probably get yourself a good book first. While there are a lot of good sites and lists out on the Internet, there are a goodly number of bad ones. You'll need a base of knowledge to help you decide which is which. The book I recommend for most novices is the Baensch Aquarium Atlas. It runs about $40, but is worth every penny. It will walk you through setting up a tank, and it covers both fish and plants that you are likely to see in the trade. The descriptions are pretty complete, and they do a pretty honest job of stating if the fish is suited to be housed with other fish. You can probably find a used copy for much less than a new copy. As you go along, do not hesitate to ask questions here. This list has a way of weeding out mis-information, and conceding when differences of opinion are viable. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fiddlenero Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Reliable web resources/books Hello everyone, Being new to this aquarium hobby, I am constantly on the lookout of more information to expand my knowledge base. I am specifically interested in the following categories of info: 1) what species of fishes are mutually compatible with each other (so that I can select my fishes accordingly)? 2) best grooming and taking care info (eg. temp, pH, food, ambience, etc.) for various fishes. However I find that internet resources can be confusing and contradictory. For example, one website recommended that I can choose barbs to go along with tetras, whereas according to another website this is a strict no-no... Hence I am conflicted and confused. Given the vast experience of many members of this forum, I will greatly appreciate if anyone can recommend me some of the RELIABLE websites regarding selection of fishes as well as their grooming and care. Are there any good books that are definite keeps? Thanks, and regards, Subh

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16750	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books

Fish compatibility depends also to a large degree on aquarium size, aquarium design, and number of hiding places. If the tank is large enough you may for instance keep Southamerican Cichlids together with small tetras and some rather large piranhas, I already have seen this in a public tank, Thomas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16751	From: kwtrkbldr	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Looking for Puget Sound Information

I heard there was a group in the Puget Sound area that could give me information on setting up a saltwater tank for cold water species. If anyone has any information, please contact me.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16752	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information

I know this may sound crazy, but I grew up in that area. Have you tried the aquarium there at Pt Defiance, they used to have a couple people just to help with SW and FW fish questions, set up of tanks, needs etc... Been a few years (LOL) but if not they should be able to refer you somewhere to a group up there. kwtrkbldr <terryleeallen1@...> wrote: I heard there was a group in the Puget Sound area that could give me information on setting up a saltwater tank for cold water species. If anyone has any information, please contact me. SPONSORED LINKS Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16753	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information

Try the Puget Sound Aquarium Society. http://www.thepsas.org/ \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kwtrkbldr Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Looking for Puget Sound Information I heard there was a group in the Puget Sound area that could give me information on setting up a saltwater tank for cold water species. If anyone has any information, please contact me. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16754	From: kwtrkbldr	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Puget Sound Information

Thanks for the idea, don't know why I didn't think of them or the Seattle aquarium.I worked on a boat that taught marine science to middle school for several years. I ran an otter trawl net, then helped the marine bioligist explain to the kids what we found.There is an amazing amount of interesting species available in the sound that are not found in your average pet store. Thanks again.--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: > > I know this may sound crazy, but I grew up in that area. Have you tried the aquarium there at Pt Defiance, they used to have a couple people just to help with SW and FW fish questions, set up of tanks, needs etc... Been a few years (LOL) but if not they should be able to refer you somewhere to a group up there. > > kwtrkbldr <terryleeallen1@...> wrote: I heard there was a group in the Puget Sound area that could give me > information on setting up a saltwater tank for cold water species. If > anyone has any information, please contact me. > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > SHANNON LINGENFELTER > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16755	From: Daniel	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Plants

I was wondering does anyone have any Heminathus callitrichoides to give away or sale?I saw it on a website an would love to have some. Thanks Daniel

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16756	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: aquatic member ph test results~Sandy

Sandy, Haven't heard from you in a few weeks. How are things going with that tank? Any improvement? \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Kay Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:00 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: aquatic member ph test results~ Steve Steve, Thank you for explaining what I am trying to do with my tank. You said it better than I could have. I sincerely appreciate your help and will continue with what you say to do. I'll reply back in another week or so. I am so glad to be receiving good help. Sandy --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Sandy, > > Stay the course. You mentioned your nitrite is now 0, which is good. I would > be willing to think that your ammonia has also gone down to 0 or close to > it, by now. I'm not real concerned that the alkalinity has not yet started > to rise. I don't know how sensitive your kit is, so we need to take a wait > and see attitude here. Continue as you have been. Glad to hear that the fish > and plants are responding. They may be liking the water changes <g>. > > Until the alkalinity starts to go upward, we are not likely to see much in > the way of the pH rising. > > When the heater kicks in, and is running, turn it down just enough to turn > off the indicator light. Do this every few days until you get the > temperature down to a more comfortable level for everyone. Probably around > 75-76^0 F. At the rate the temperature will come down, you should not have > to worry about ich setting in. It will be a slow comfortable drop in > temperature for everyone. > > "Maybe this world is another planet's hell." > Aldous Huxley > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sandy Kay > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:49 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] aquatic member ph test results~ Steve > > Hi, I've done the 1 gallon water change as you suggested for 3 days now. I > thought it would be good to send the readings again. Alkalinity 0, nitrite 0 > ph 6.4, hardness 120, nitrate 20 with the mardel test kit. The ph may be a > tad higher but not much. Do you know how long it will take > to see it go up. Will it take a few weeks. What should it would read when it > is right. I know it can vary. Just am not sure where it should be in the > range of. I do have all live plants. They are starting to grow out now. The > fish seem pretty healthy. The temperature is 80 degrees. I know that is > a little high. Since it is cold at night and I turn the light off, I have > had it up higher to help with ick and the fish being messed up with the > water. Is that okay? Thanks so much for any help, Sandy > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16757	From: fiddlenero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books

Hello Steve, Thanks for your informative mail. (And apologies for my delayed response for unavoidable reasons). We had exchanged a few emails about six weeks ago, and you had given me some useful tips. I started this wonderful hobby three months ago. However, due to bad advice from my pet store "advisor" (and my blindly following his advice), my intial tank has a poorly planned collection of fishes. It is a 20 gallon tank with six fishes: 1 rainbow, 2 guppies, 1 tetra, 1 minnow and 1 molly. (The molly is turning out to be a bully). I am planning to get a new 50 gallon tank and this time I want to plan my fish collection more systematically and scientifically. My starting point is Threadfin Rainbow. The one in my original 20G tank is so playful, fearless and seductive that I am completely enamoured by it! So I am going to start with 3-4 threadfin rainbows and build my community around these by selecting compatible fishes. Thanks for the suggestion of Baensch Aquarium Atlas. I have already ordered it from Amazon. I was also told that Axelrod's book is good. Thanks for your tips. -- Subh --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote: > > Subh, > > Well, fish compatibility can be tricky. Sometimes what works for me will not > work for you. This can be caused in a subtle difference in the tank setup > and/or the "personality" of the fish involved. Best thing to do is to decide > on a fish, and then look for fish that are claimed to be good companions. > > You should probably get yourself a good book first. While there are a lot of > good sites and lists out on the Internet, there are a goodly number of bad > ones. You'll need a base of knowledge to help you decide which is which. The > book I recommend for most novices is the Baensch Aquarium Atlas. It runs > about $40, but is worth every penny. It will walk you through setting up a > tank, and it covers both fish and plants that you are likely to see in the > trade. The descriptions are pretty complete, and they do a pretty honest job > of stating if the fish is suited to be housed with other fish. > > You can probably find a used copy for much less than a new copy. > > As you go along, do not hesitate to ask questions here. This list has a way > of weeding out mis-information, and conceding when differences of opinion > are viable. > > > \\Steve//

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16758	From: fiddlenero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliable web resources/books

Hello Thomas, I have a 20G tank with an improperly planned collection of 6 fishes: 1 rainbow, 1 minnow, 1 molly, 1 tetra, and 2 guppies... I am getting a second 50G tank and want a more proper collection this time. I will start with 3 odd threadfin rainbows and want to build my fish community around these three. Thanks, Subh --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Schlemmermeyer" <evolthomas@...> wrote: > > > Fish compatibility depends also to a large degree on aquarium size, > aquarium design, and number of hiding places. > > If the tank is large enough you may for instance keep Southamerican > Cichlids together with small tetras and some rather large piranhas, > > I already have seen this in a public tank, > > Thomas >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16759	From: Ivan Chester Canoy	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

im from manila too! the main branch of bioresearch in sucat, paranaque is the biggest koi dealer in the philippines.. aside from kois they have lots of flowerhorns and has a giant arapaima in their gigantic aquarium! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16760	From: earl martin santos	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

hi. im just a flowerhorn and arowana fanatic.. im form manila as well.. whats the address there in bioresearch sucat? Ivan Chester Canoy <chestercanoy@...> wrote: im from manila too! the main branch of bioresearch in sucat, paranaque is the biggest koi dealer in the philippines.. aside from kois they have lots of flowerhorns and has a giant arapaima in their gigantic aquarium! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16761	From: Gianluca Polgar	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: mudskippers

Dear members, I'm desperately looking for specimens of mudskippers ( www.themudskipper.org ). They are present along West African coasts and in all the Indo-Pacific region, from East Africa to Samoa Island. Could anyone who live in one of these countries help me? Thank you in advance for any kind of help :-) Gianluca O___!||||__/////__ {__)_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16762	From: Jerry Young	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

Coming from South Super Highway its after Manila Memorial, then Kraft. Where in Manila are you guys? I'm in Timog Quezon City. I have a 48" long planted tank with a vast assortment of tetras. earl martin santos <earl_at_pearl@...> wrote: hi. im just a flowerhorn and arowana fanatic.. im form manila as well.. whats the address there in bioresearch sucat? Ivan Chester Canoy <chestercanoy@...> wrote: im from manila too! the main branch of bioresearch in sucat, paranaque is the biggest koi dealer in the philippines.. aside from kois they have lots of flowerhorns and has a giant arapaima in their gigantic aquarium! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16763	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Feeding earthworms?

Can you feed big fish earthworms? If yes, should you shorten them before letting them into the tank? L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16764	From: Kurt Johnston	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: New Group

The Aquarium Club of Lancaster County would like to invite all the members of this group to join our NEW Yahoo discussion group on the internet at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aclancastercounty/. This group is open to all club members, members of other clubs and to aquarium hobbyists around the world. Please join us for great discussions, to share ideas, photos and news from all aspects of the world of aquarium hobbyists. Thank you and we hope to see you soon! Kurt Johnston Program V.P. Aquarium Club of Lancaster County

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16765	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?

I have fed all my fish earthworms, including my guppies, they love em'! I shorten them for the smaller fish... I have even fed them to my salt water lion fish...mmm chow chow-- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16766	From: jerry young	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Barbs and Tetras

Any body has any experience(s) keeping tiger barbs with small tetras (neons, cardinals, glowlights)? Will the little guys be safe?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16767	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?

Mine love worms, the little guy goes out in the flowerbeds just to catch them and other bugs for the fish. Gets his step stool and little baggie of goodies, they all line up just waiting to see what he has brought them LOL Leslie & Dane Moore <5moores@...> wrote: Can you feed big fish earthworms? If yes, should you shorten them before letting them into the tank? L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16768	From: paul	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?

Hi.. Well i feed earthworms to my Oscars and walking cat fish with out any problems. I have been told that u ment to blanch them in milk first ..! But i cant see why. All i do is wash them first in a cup of tank water . Thanks Paul. Leslie & Dane Moore <5moores@...> wrote: Can you feed big fish earthworms? If yes, should you shorten them before letting them into the tank? L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16769	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

Uy, d pala ako nagiisang noypi dito!. Well I'm definitely glad that I'm not all alone heehee. Anyway just recently developed interest with fish. I'm looking for a place to buy cheap ryukins(totoong ryukin talaga na mataas ang hump, hindi fantail na binabrand lang na ryukin) pati butterfly kois.Kung my alam kayo, paki sabi naman. cheers! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Coming from South Super Highway its after Manila Memorial, then Kraft. Where in Manila are you guys? I'm in Timog Quezon City. I have a 48" long planted tank with a vast assortment of tetras. earl martin santos <earl_at_pearl@...> wrote: hi. im just a flowerhorn and arowana fanatic.. im form manila as well.. whats the address there in bioresearch sucat? Ivan Chester Canoy <chestercanoy@...> wrote: im from manila too! the main branch of bioresearch in sucat, paranaque is the biggest koi dealer in the philippines.. aside from kois they have lots of flowerhorns and has a giant arapaima in their gigantic aquarium! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16770	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Freshwater Moray ell

Hi all.. Anyone give me any info on a Freshwater moray.? Iv just picked on up from a new shop near me..for £9.00. She/he is very long 14 inch. The shope keeper knew nothing about it...so over to you guys. Thanks Paul

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16771	From: earl martin santos	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

sa mga noypi dito, punta kayo www.palhs.com... load of info about the world of fishkeeping!!! :):):) Paolo Wilfred Payumo <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Uy, d pala ako nagiisang noypi dito!. Well I'm definitely glad that I'm not all alone heehee. Anyway just recently developed interest with fish. I'm looking for a place to buy cheap ryukins(totoong ryukin talaga na mataas ang hump, hindi fantail na binabrand lang na ryukin) pati butterfly kois.Kung my alam kayo, paki sabi naman. cheers!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16772	From: stormyeyedbabe	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Feeding earthworms?

I've always fed earthworms to my tropical fish...we feed earthworms to our reef fish too, they eat them up and we've never had a problem :)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16773	From: Jerry Young	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Anyone from Manila Philippines?

You can try Heavenly Fish. My office mate got some beautiful goldfish there for as low as 50php. Its along retiro near Biak na Bato Quezon City. Look for Carlo or Bernadette. Tel # 4166179 Paolo Wilfred Payumo <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Uy, d pala ako nagiisang noypi dito!. Well I'm definitely glad that I'm not all alone heehee. Anyway just recently developed interest with fish. I'm looking for a place to buy cheap ryukins(totoong ryukin talaga na mataas ang hump, hindi fantail na binabrand lang na ryukin) pati butterfly kois.Kung my alam kayo, paki sabi naman. cheers! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Coming from South Super Highway its after Manila Memorial, then Kraft. Where in Manila are you guys? I'm in Timog Quezon City. I have a 48" long planted tank with a vast assortment of tetras. earl martin santos <earl_at_pearl@...> wrote: hi. im just a flowerhorn and arowana fanatic.. im form manila as well.. whats the address there in bioresearch sucat? Ivan Chester Canoy <chestercanoy@...> wrote: im from manila too! the main branch of bioresearch in sucat, paranaque is the biggest koi dealer in the philippines.. aside from kois they have lots of flowerhorns and has a giant arapaima in their gigantic aquarium! Jerry Young <jerry_jla@...> wrote: Its nice to know there's a fellow Filipino in this group. Kamusta po? payumo_pwu <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: Does anyone knwo where to buy affordable aqua/pond fish? (koi, ryukin etc) near Antipolo/Cainta/ Marikina? Thanks Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16774	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: New pic upload

hi all.. Iv just put another pic in my folder "Paul's pix". Of my walking cats George & Dave . Thanks Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16775	From: Andreas	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater Moray ell

I don't think there is a fresh water moray eel. there are a bunch of eels that migrated upriver from saltwarer and are now fresih water. they have different names and some have different needs, i recommend you google images of fresh water eels to ID yours and then go from there.. Andreas in general they like soft substarte to burrow in On 4/7/06, paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > Hi all.. > Anyone give me any info on a Freshwater moray.? > Iv just picked on up from a new shop near me..for £9.00. > She/he is very long 14 inch. > The shope keeper knew nothing about it...so over to you guys. > Thanks > Paul > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "AquaticLife<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16776	From: paul	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Freshwater Moray ell

hi ..thanks for the info. All the best paul. Andreas <andreas1120@...> wrote: I don't think there is a fresh water moray eel. there are a bunch of eels that migrated upriver from saltwarer and are now fresih water. they have different names and some have different needs, i recommend you google images of fresh water eels to ID yours and then go from there.. Andreas in general they like soft substarte to burrow in On 4/7/06, paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > Hi all.. > Anyone give me any info on a Freshwater moray.? > Iv just picked on up from a new shop near me..for £9.00. > She/he is very long 14 inch. > The shope keeper knew nothing about it...so over to you guys. > Thanks > Paul > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "AquaticLife<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16777	From: Phil	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Firemouths!!

Hey mates! I got 6 firemouths from 2 different stores a couple of months ago. One is a little bigger than the rest. I'm trying to breed them. Any tips on how to tell a male from a female???

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16778	From: shailendra Indulkar	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Albino fish breeding

Hello, The side view picture is also loaded in photo section of our group One problem i face is the get disturbed when kids touch the tank and then will swim widely and some times also injured themselves what could be done?what do the like ?diet? manyThanks --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "hank voss" <aatetras@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "shailendra Indulkar" > <indulkarshailu@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > A picture added in photo section of our group > > wish to understand its breeding techniques. > > ManyThanks, > > indulkarshailu@ > > India > > > PS: > Blind Caves are very prone to get "ich" > > Hank >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16779	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: New pic upload

Hi all .. Just put another pic in my folder..My Ell ( Ugly sod ). He/She is eating well , lance fish and prawn. Thanks Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16780	From: Scott Vaughn	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: albino fish breeding

One problem i face is the get disturbed when kids touch the tank and then will swim widely and some times also injured themselves what could be done? Obviously, don't allow the children to touch the tank. pat vaughn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16781	From: bigter4	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from

Hello All, we here is my story. just before last wknd I wsas watching my fish and i noticed something. ( now this is an established, not overstcked tank with all levels perfect) i looked at my one Bala shark and he had a cloudy eye. I thought this was strange and was not sure what it was. I went to research this to see if he was sick or perhaps after 3 or more yrs the eyes get like this. ( bala man was about 3 yrs old) The next day the other shark had it as well. Weh I cam home from work with the answer... POPEYE.. It was too late. Both sharks were dead. I did the water change, and medicated the tank. that night 3 others dided and the next day evetone was dead except 3 fish. So far the tank is doing better but i lost almost everyone. This is just a lesson to payu attn too . I have never had any issues in this tank bedsides ICk a few yrs back. No one new was added and I have done nothing different. I guess im just trying to say is pay attn. Maybe if i noticed this eye the day before my tank would still be alive. - Terry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16782	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from

What would cause that? There has to be some way to prevent such a thing. That terrifies me. Ack! ~Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bigter4 Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Just a sad story for all to read and learn from Hello All, we here is my story. just before last wknd I wsas watching my fish and i noticed something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16783	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from

that is indeed horrific I fear that something like that will happen when I go away on my long trips... I try and educated my mom who watches my tank for me but in general she just doesn't have the best sight and has so much to do rather than gaze over my tank for hours a day... but she has got better and such and im lucky to have someone period but im thinking I need to create a symptom list for her to watch out for now.. Shannon Hello All, we here is my story. just before last wknd I wsas watching my fish and i noticed something. ( now this is an established, not overstcked tank with all levels perfect) i looked at my one Bala shark and he had a cloudy eye. I thought this was strange and was not sure what it was. I went to research this to see if he was sick or perhaps after 3 or more yrs the eyes get like this. ( bala man was about 3 yrs old) The next day the other shark had it as well. Weh I cam home from work with the answer... POPEYE.. It was too late. Both sharks were dead. I did the water change, and medicated the tank. that night 3 others dided and the next day evetone was dead except 3 fish. So far the tank is doing better but i lost almost everyone. This is just a lesson to payu attn too . I have never had any issues in this tank bedsides ICk a few yrs back. No one new was added and I have done nothing different. I guess im just trying to say is pay attn. Maybe if i noticed this eye the day before my tank would still be alive. - Terry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16784	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Finally decided what to do with...

Well I finally decided what to do with my 29 gal tank that was overrun (can just barely see the gravel) with snails. I have tried loaches, but never seem to have much luck with them living more than 1 hr... even with tank conditions exceptional. So I decided that since I already had my live bearer tank running just for fun to get 4 gold fish (2 fantails, and 2 ryu... something or others) they are small right now so hopefully the 29 gal will work for a bit until I can get another 55 gal. Also learned that goldfish and snails cannot cohabitate. They have picked clean 1/3 to 1/2 of the snail pop in less than 24 hrs!!! Wish I would have known this sooner could have saved alot of money spent on the loaches. MM & MP, '73 Tricia, KG6PNC A 2 sites for fun http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=trycya http://www.gopetslive.com/inviter/?Trycya Already have a Neopets account, interested in trying out one of the premium accounts? Ask me for a referral and include your Neopets username ONLY and I will Neomail you a referral.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16786	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: George..!!

Hi all... iv just seen George, My walking catfish (Clarias batrachus) Your a star.( Have another Lance fish ) Thanks for putting him on the home page. Paul.... Oh and can anyone tell me of some Oscar Proof plants..If there is such a thing...At the mo i have only Bogwood and rocks. Again thanks Paul.. :)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16787	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Walking cats(Clarias batrachus)

Hi all. Anyone have any idea how old walking cats have to be until they "Get- it-on"... Mine are only 3 months old but are Very..Very Close.!...they spend most of the day doing "Figure eights" and zooming around the tank. ( thats,when there not Eating ..lol ) Thanks Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16788	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Starting a canister filter

I have an Eheim that hasn't worked for about 2 months. The 75 gal tank has been filtered by an Emperor for right at 75 gals. I'm about to restart the Eheim but was wondering if it will make any changes to the tank. The eheim will obviously re-establish itself but will it affect the water conditions? Should I expect a small cycle even though the bio-wheel is still going? Or will it be fine and not affect the water, just let it establish itself on the existing conditions? Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16789	From: cody adams	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory fish

i have recently moved back to connecticut and the local fish stores are lacking variety of fish and the have little if any of the fish i am looking for.I am looking for cichlids such as red devils, green terrors, jaguar cichlids, red terrors , dovii, jack dempesys , texas cichlids, and gars , flowerhorns. can anybody tell me some some good online site to purchase cichlids from with a good selections and also buying piranahas.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16790	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...

I recieved this same message on 6 of the other fish groups I belong too. why not ask one forum and wait for a response instead of cross posting to a bunch of groups? Try http://www.tangeldupincichlids.com/ Jeff Rapps is by far probally the best Known Importer and breeder of tankbusters in the USA, possibly the world. Rob Renfro NE Indiana Proud member of http://www.ftas.net/ http://www.midwestcichlid.com/ http://www.goodeids.com/ In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cornbread_05@... writes: i have recently moved back to connecticut and the local fish stores are lacking variety of fish and the have little if any of the fish i am looking for.I am looking for cichlids such as red devils, green terrors, jaguar cichlids, red terrors , dovii, jack dempesys , texas cichlids, and gars , flowerhorns. can anybody tell me some some good online site to purchase cichlids from with a good selections and also buying piranahas. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16791	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...

Try _WWW.Aquabid.com_ (http://www.Aquabid.com) You should be able to find all of that there at one time or another. I think I saw people selling the dreaded flowerhorn as well. Mike In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cornbread_05@... writes: i have recently moved back to connecticut and the local fish stores are lacking variety of fish and the have little if any of the fish i am looking for.I am looking for cichlids such as red devils, green terrors, jaguar cichlids, red terrors , dovii, jack dempesys , texas cichlids, and gars , flowerhorns. can anybody tell me some some good online site to purchase cichlids from with a good selections and also buying piranahas. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16792	From: cody adams	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...

whats wrong with the flowerhorn --- Deenerz@... wrote: > > Try _WWW.Aquabid.com_ (http://www.Aquabid.com) > You should be able to find all of that there at one > time or another. I > think I saw people selling the dreaded flowerhorn as > well. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:50:18 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > cornbread_05@... writes: > > i have recently moved back to connecticut and the > local fish stores are > lacking variety of fish and the have little if any > of the fish i am > looking for.I am looking for cichlids such as red > devils, green > terrors, jaguar cichlids, red terrors , dovii, jack > dempesys , texas > cichlids, and gars , flowerhorns. can anybody tell > me some some good > online site to purchase cichlids from with a good > selections and also > buying piranahas. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16793	From: Jenny & Wayne	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Att: Edmonton AB members

Hello everybody Sorry we haven't replied or written any posts for some time now, but our luck has changed [:((] It happened yesterday. We had just finished cleaning the glass tops for our Oceanic tank. Our tank is 6 feet long and the glass tops come in two sections of about 36 wide inches each. Each section contains two pieces of glass, plastic center hinge and adjustable plastic back section. Anyhow just as we were finishing the task, a 36" front section of one of the tops (the one with the drilled handle) decided to crack, leaving me holding two broken pieces of plate glass. Ask us if we were impressed. We have been out and about everywhere today trying to locate a replcement top. NO LUCK.... To make a long story short we need the good members of this group to help us in locating a buisness in the Edmonton area that can supply us with a new top. *NOTE* (WE have not approached any local glass shops yet). We have contacted other tank suppliers, (pet stores, etc.) but found that the glass tops for the brands they sell are either to small or to big for the openings on our Oceanic tank. We were wondering if there is any other supplier for Oceanic within the City of Champions. We searched the web and all they show are stores in Red Deer and Calgary.. The size of the broken section is approx: 35 1/4" X 6" X 1/4" The size of the complete two piece section is 35 14" X 17 3/4" (including plastic expansion at the back) Thanks Jenny & Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16794	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f...

What's wrong is they are Hybrids. There are thousands of different kinds of cichlids available to us and I think it is a shame to muddy the genetic waters of any cichlids. The flowerhorn craze is falling off and I hope it dies completely. It has sparked others to hybridize other cichlids and the problem with hybrids is their fry look similar to other pure strains until they grow up. Last year a store near me had some other hybrid and the offspring looked like baby oscars. Some unsuspecting new fish keeper may buy them and then breed one with a normal oscar and sell or give away the offspring as oscars, but they would really be a hybrid. I have no room in my tanks for hybrids and it bothers me that I may buy a fish thinking it is pure strain and I get a mutt fish which is worthless. I want to watch a regular strain of fish breed and raise their fry into juveniles and then adults. If I get a mixed fish they will not be raising fish the way they would in the wild because they are a frankenfish created in a fish keepers tank. Many people raise cichlids because they want to watch the breeding behavior of a certain fish. I have some African shelldwellers breeding right now and it is fascinating watching them breed and raise their young in their shells. Now if I somehow got them to breed with a mouthbrooder the offspring may no longer raise babies in shells. Or if I bred a mouth brooder with a fish that raised its young in a cave, now the offspring may no longer brood in the parents mouth. These fish are now useless to the people that wanted them for those qualities. In China apparently they went nuts over the markings on the fish because some of them had markings that looked like lucky characters or symbols to them. The market for a single fish reached the thousands. People in the U.S. started breeding them thinking they would gain the same amount of value for a fish. And just like the beginning of any good pyramid or Ponzi scam it started great and then crashed. Now the fish are basically worthless and the fry get sold off as feeders or for less than a buck a piece retail. Another bad result in Asia with the Flowerhorn was many of the Discus breeders dropped their discus breeding and bred flowerhorns and now the bottom fell out of that market and now they essentially have to start over on their discus breeding and it takes a while to start from scratch. It really hurt a lot of people in that industry. The Aquarium societies I belong to also do not allow hybrids at their bowl shows, in their auctions, and do not give breeder award points for them either. Most people that get into them get out of them once they try to sell a couple batches of offspring. Caveat Emptor. Mike -----Original Message----- From: cody adams <cornbread_05@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] finding good websites to buy cichlids and other predatory f... whats wrong with the flowerhorn --- Deenerz@... wrote: > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16795	From: cody adams	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: info on dwarf cichlids

can anybody give me some names and info about some dwarf aggressive cichlids that can hold they own such as convicts, and jewel cichlids, i have had jewel cichlids and i had had them with south american cichlids such as dovii, jaugar and red devil and rule the tank, i have also had convicts in with red terrors and they ruled the tank. so i am looking for dwarf cichlids of that nature.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16796	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: info on dwarf cichlids

Those mentioned arent dwarf cichlids..... look up dwarf cichlids.... they are less aggressive and much smaller than the jewel and convict.. cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can anybody give me some names and info about some dwarf aggressive cichlids that can hold they own such as convicts, and jewel cichlids, i have had jewel cichlids and i had had them with south american cichlids such as dovii, jaugar and red devil and rule the tank, i have also had convicts in with red terrors and they ruled the tank. so i am looking for dwarf cichlids of that nature. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16797	From: cody adams	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: info on dwarf cichlids

well any ciclid that is aggressive thats doesn't get that big --- kristopher helsing <punk3r12@...> wrote: > Those mentioned arent dwarf cichlids..... look up > dwarf cichlids.... they are less aggressive and much > smaller than the jewel and convict.. > > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can > anybody give me some names and info about some dwarf > aggressive > cichlids that can hold they own such as convicts, > and jewel cichlids, i > have had jewel cichlids and i had had them with > south american cichlids > such as dovii, jaugar and red devil and rule the > tank, i have also had > convicts in with red terrors and they ruled the > tank. so i am looking > for dwarf cichlids of that nature. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for > ridiculously low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16798	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Blood parrots laid eggs

There are eggs all over a rock in the aquarium. Two blood parrots are gaurding it pretty heavily. Should I isolate the parrots or eggs or both or should I just let them be eaten as they will likely not hatch anyway. I would like to give them at least a chance just in case. Anyone know how long it would it would be if some were to in fact hatch? ~Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16799	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

I read my last post and it was pretty hard to understand. I guess I need another cup of coffee to fully wake up. What I want to know is should I isolate the eggs along with "mom" and "dad" or should I just isolate the eggs w/ one parent? I know that the odds of one of these hatching is rare, but I would like to at least give them a chance, just in case. =) With that said, how long would it be before they were to hatch. Also, most eggs are grayish clear in color. However there are a few that are bright solid white. What does the difference in coloring mean? Other tanks occupants are pictus cats, fire mouths, giant danios and kissing gouramis. All of which I know will munch on the eggs if I don't quickly protect them. There is a pic of the eggs under the blood parrots album, it's the first picture. (Aquaticlife is the group with the pic....Uniquaria doesn't have the photo album open.) Thanks, Leslie Cabot Women's Club! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16800	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Leslie, Although the fish are hybreds, some of this type of fish are turning out to be somewhat fertile so there's still a chance these eggs could hatch. If your goal is to try to hatch and raise them, you can't isolate the eggs with either one parent or both if you're thinking of moving them. The disturbance will cause them to eat the eggs. You will either have to keep the parents and eggs in the tank they're now in, and remove all the other fish, or you will have to remove just the rock with the eggs to another tank by themselves (if possible, replace that rock with one very similar if you have one) with an airstone near them. They should hatch in three days if they're fertile. If they're not fertile, you'll know by this time tomorrow -- they'll all be white. The clear eggs are fertile and at this point still possibly fertilized, whereas the opaque white ones are definitely no good. To help ensure that fungus doesn't start (with the bad eggs) and spread to all the eggs, you should use acriflavin (its the major ingredient in Aquarium Pharmaceutical's "Fungus Cure"), regardless of which tank the eggs are in. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16801	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Thanks Ray. I do have straight acriflavine. (I have acquired quite the medicine cabinet for aquariums!) Should I treat the tank now, remove the carbon, etc...? I hate this stuff, it turns the tank orange. I think I might move all the other fish into a friends tank. She has an empty 30 gal that's running with only 1 cichlid and she said I could place the others in there. She's selling the setup for $75, stand and all. I also saw a 100 gal. w/ stand, filters, etc... for $250. If that stand hadn't been black I would have bought it! Thanks for the info. If you think of anything else, please let me know. =) Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16802	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Yes, treat the tank as soon as you can. Don't have to tell you, the stuff stains, be careful. Remove the carbon from the filter. When you bring your other fish to your friend's house, make sure to check the pH and acclimate your fish if necessary. This may all be for nothing, as the pair might well be infertile, but there's only one way to find out (well, two ways, if you just want to pull the eggs out). Ray. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16803	From: cody adams	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: info on green terrors

i went to www.aquascapeonline.com and the have green terror wild from Ecuador , can anyone tell me if these are true green terrors

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16804	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

If I pull the eggs out...then what do I with them? I have a 10 gal community tank but I think the tank occupants would munch on the eggs. I am interested though. It might be easier than removing all the other fish. I just wouldn't want to upset mom and dad fish. Is that possible? ~Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:51 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic Yes, treat the tank as soon as you can. Don't have to tell you, the stuff stains, be careful. Remove the carbon from the filter. When you bring your other fish to your friend's house, make sure to check the pH and acclimate your fish if necessary. This may all be for nothing, as the pair might well be infertile, but there's only one way to find out (well, two ways, if you just want to pull the eggs out). Ray. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16805	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

You would have to put the eggs in a tank by themselves (no fish). If you put the eggs in a tank with fish it would be like serving up caviar (no joke). You then need an airstone near them and acriflavin in the water (and a heater -- 80 o). Yes it might upset the parents a little. That's the idea of putting a very similar rock back in place of the one (with the eggs) that you're removing. They still may notice that the eggs are gone but will blame the other fish rather than each other. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16806	From: Rei - Raymond Tremor	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

What is an acriflavin? It's my first time to hear that word. Dunno if it is a medicine or something else. Also what does that do and where could I find one? THANKS, RAYMOND TREMOR

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16807	From: Amalthea X	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Depending on what type of other fish you have in there, you may be able to leave them. When blood parrots DO have fry, they protect them pretty aggressively for at least the first few days. Once they're hatched, you can carefully remove them with a syphon and put them in another tank. Amalthea On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Leslie & Dane Moore wrote: > If I pull the eggs out...then what do I with them? I have a 10 gal > community tank but I think the tank occupants would munch on the eggs. > I am interested though. It might be easier than removing all the > other > fish. I just wouldn't want to upset mom and dad fish. Is that > possible? > ~Leslie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:51 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic > > > Yes, treat the tank as soon as you can. Don't have to tell you, the > stuff > stains, be careful. Remove the carbon from the filter. When you > bring > your > other fish to your friend's house, make sure to check the pH and > acclimate your > fish if necessary. This may all be for nothing, as the pair might > well > be > infertile, but there's only one way to find out (well, two ways, if > you > just want > to pull the eggs out). Ray. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important > to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY > the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><· > ´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine > +biologis > t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay > +area&w5=United+ki > ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine > +biologist&w2=Biol > ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United > +kingdom&w6= > South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine > +biologi > st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay > +area&w5=United+k > ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania > San > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay > +area&w1=Marine+bi > ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay > +area&w5=Uni > ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > francisco bay area United > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine > +biologist& > w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United > +king > dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom > South > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine > +biologist&w2 > =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United > +kingdo > m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > _____ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old > subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><· > ´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16808	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Acriflavin is a dye medication for fish, similar to Methylene Blue and Malachite Green. It kills many rod bacilli (type of bacteria) and fungi and is especially effective against the type of fungus that attacks infertile fish eggs and spreads to fertile ones, killing them once it gets a foothold. Some brands of fish medications offer it under that name, but if you otherwise can't find it, it can be found more easily as "Fungus Cure" -- a liquid dye medication produced by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16809	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Much easier to pull the eggs than to try and syphon all the fry afterwards, and you can't leave the fry in there with other fish (even though the parents will try to defend them), as they will get picked off a few at a time; the reason this wasn't first suggested. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16810	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

I'm taking out my 10 gal tank occupants and moving them to a friends house this morning. I'll then place the egg rock into the 10 gal and treat w/ acriflavin immediately. I should have all of this done by 11 this morning so hopefully I will catch them in time to not have the fungus spread to anymore eggs. Wouldn't that be wild if some actually hatched. We shall see. Thanks so much! And as always, if you think of anything else I should know, please tell me. =) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic Much easier to pull the eggs than to try and syphon all the fry afterwards, and you can't leave the fry in there with other fish (even though the parents will try to defend them), as they will get picked off a few at a time; the reason this wasn't first suggested. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16811	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Best if you use all clean water (dechlorinated) -- of the right pH and temperature -- rather than the old water that's in the ten now. Just keep a bare bottom -- no gravel -- it will make things a lot easier when cleaning off the bottom of the tank, which you'll need to do in keeping after the fry. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16812	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

Can I put tap water into it and use the dechlorinator treatement? Or should I buy water to fill it? -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic Best if you use all clean water (dechlorinated) -- of the right pH and temperature -- rather than the old water that's in the ten now. Just keep a bare bottom -- no gravel -- it will make things a lot easier when cleaning off the bottom of the tank, which you'll need to do in keeping after the fry. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16813	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Egg setup

OK. I've cleaned out the 10 of all gravel and gave it a rinse. I've added a new biowheel but placed the old media into it for the beneficials. Is that OK? I added new water which is pH great w/ a dechlorinator. I guess that's acceptable...? Now...how do I get this rock out of this tank without disturbing the eggs and ticking off the parents. I'm going to get bit. Which is understandable. But still I don't want to knock off the eggs. ~L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16814	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

You can use tap water, at the right temperature, if you use dechlorinator or chloramine remover with it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16815	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Egg setup

You won't be able to use the biofilter, unless you can figure a way to prevent the fry from getting drawn up into it. You really don't need a filter at this stage, but you can add a sponge filter (air-operated) later in the week, which will be fine. Their bioload is almost nonexistant and will very gradually build as they grow. They may well try to bite you so be prepared -- don't drop the rock if that happens. They really don't have teeth as you think of teeth; they have tiny little teeth like rough sandpaper in their lips and can't really hurt you, its just the surprise of it. Try using a net to keep in between them and the rock and put your other hand underneath the rock. Don't remove it too fast unless you really need to, as you can knock some of the eggs off. Just watch you don't crush any eggs with your fingers. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16816	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Egg setup

I had done just that before I read this. I put a very large net into the tank near the rock and it was quickly and pretty fiercely attacked by dad. So I put him and the little lady parrot into the net. I did scoop the rock but unfortunately I got about 5-8 eggs under a finger and they were smooshed. I put another rock in it's place and it is now being closely gaurded...so sad! I put a netting on the filter intake so I don't think any fry can get through. Let me know if you think otherwise and I will just take the whole thing off since it isn't needed. About three days to hatch? If that is right then I should know if these will hatch by tonight or in the morning. We shall see. =) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:37 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Egg setup You won't be able to use the biofilter, unless you can figure a way to prevent the fry from getting drawn up into it. You really don't need a filter at this stage, but you can add a sponge filter (air-operated) later in the week, which will be fine. Their bioload is almost nonexistant and will very gradually build as they grow. They may well try to bite you so be prepared -- don't drop the rock if that happens. They really don't have teeth as you think of teeth; they have tiny little teeth like rough sandpaper in their lips and can't really hurt you, its just the surprise of it. Try using a net to keep in between them and the rock and put your other hand underneath the rock. Don't remove it too fast unless you really need to, as you can knock some of the eggs off. Just watch you don't crush any eggs with your fingers. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16817	From: Amalthea X	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

I find you don't need or want to save all of the fry, and they're less delicate than the eggs. I've done it before with fine results. Amalthea On Apr 20, 2006, at 9:23 AM, sevenspringss@... wrote: > Much easier to pull the eggs than to try and syphon all the fry > afterwards, > and you can't leave the fry in there with other fish (even though > the parents > will try to defend them), as they will get picked off a few at a > time; the > reason this wasn't first suggested. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old > subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><· > ´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16818	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: green algae bloom

here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do to stop this problem Help Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16819	From: paul	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

try to keep your lights on for 10 hours ... ie off all day but put them on at night ... Im in South East UK..and dont use any lights until around 2pm..then turn them off at around 1130pm.. Give it a try ... also Sun light could be a factor ... if you tank is direct sun light try to cover it with a blacket while your lights are off .. this will also help your plants to grow . Hope this helps. Paul. Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do to stop this problem Help Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16820	From: leonard stewart	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

HI Steve Just a quick question is the tank in direct sunlight or indirect sunlight. I had a tank that i could not keep clean because it did get to much sun once i move it problem was solved.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16821	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

What kind of lighting do you use and for how long? - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > to stop this problem > > Help > > Steve >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16822	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

Unless you're trying to grow plants (or algae :D ), the lighting is really for you, not the fish. You could simply turn the lights on when you're feeding or watching the fish and keep them off otherwise, and the fish won't mind (assuming that the room isn't completely dark otherwise). - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > try to keep your lights on for 10 hours ... ie off all day but put them on at night ... > Im in South East UK..and dont use any lights until around 2pm..then turn them off at around 1130pm.. Give it a try ... also Sun light could be a factor ... if you tank is direct sun light try to cover it with a blacket while your lights are off .. this will also help your plants to grow . > Hope this helps. > Paul. > > > Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > to stop this problem > > Help > > Steve > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16823	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: Blood Parrots eggs w/ pic

There was a letter in TFH magazine recently where someone was asking about Blood Parrots. The answer mentioned that it was rumored that some people had managed to breed them, but they had never seen photos to prove it. If they do hatch, you may want to consider sending some pictures in. :) - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sevenspringss@... wrote: > > Leslie, Although the fish are hybreds, some of this type of fish are turning > out to be somewhat fertile so there's still a chance these eggs could hatch. > If your goal is to try to hatch and raise them, you can't isolate the eggs > with either one parent or both if you're thinking of moving them. The > disturbance will cause them to eat the eggs. You will either have to keep the > parents and eggs in the tank they're now in, and remove all the other fish, or you > will have to remove just the rock with the eggs to another tank by themselves > (if possible, replace that rock with one very similar if you have one) with an > airstone near them. They should hatch in three days if they're fertile. If > they're not fertile, you'll know by this time tomorrow -- they'll all be white. > > > The clear eggs are fertile and at this point still possibly fertilized, > whereas the opaque white ones are definitely no good. To help ensure that fungus > doesn't start (with the bad eggs) and spread to all the eggs, you should use > acriflavin (its the major ingredient in Aquarium Pharmaceutical's "Fungus > Cure"), regardless of which tank the eggs are in. Ray > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16824	From: Trevor	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: Blood parrots laid eggs

One of the things cichlids are famous for is their parental abilities. They'll probably be fine if you just leave them alone, assuming the eggs hatch. I have a Midas that occasionally lays eggs, even though she's the only one of her kind in the tank. She guards them faithfully for a few days before giving up, at which point they disappear. But the other fish (including some aggressive ones) have learned to leave them alone! :) - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > There are eggs all over a rock in the aquarium. Two blood parrots are > gaurding it pretty heavily. Should I isolate the parrots or eggs or > both or should I just let them be eaten as they will likely not hatch > anyway. I would like to give them at least a chance just in case. > Anyone know how long it would it would be if some were to in fact hatch? > > ~Leslie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16825	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

Leonard.. No it is not in direct sunlight ...the window is about 8 feet away and it is placed along a back wall..even when the sunlight comes in the window ..it is not anywhere near it Thanks Steve --- leonard stewart <dhmicop@...> wrote: > HI Steve > Just a quick question is the tank in direct sunlight or indirect sunlight. > I had a tank that i could not keep clean because it did get to much sun once i move it problem > was solved. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16826	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

Trevor I used the light kit that came with the tank, 15 watt lamps...two of them. I usually leave the lights on for about 12-14 hours and off all night long.. Thanks Steve --- Trevor <trevor@...> wrote: > What kind of lighting do you use and for how long? > > - Trevor > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > > to stop this problem > > > > Help > > > > Steve > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16827	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

Trevor.. I am not growing any plants at all.. I just would love to have a clear tank ..lol Is there anyway to get rid of the algae?? Steve --- Trevor <trevor@...> wrote: > Unless you're trying to grow plants (or algae :D ), the lighting is > really for you, not the fish. You could simply turn the lights on when > you're feeding or watching the fish and keep them off otherwise, and > the fish won't mind (assuming that the room isn't completely dark > otherwise). > > - Trevor > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, paul <paul633uk@...> wrote: > > > > try to keep your lights on for 10 hours ... ie off all day but put > them on at night ... > > Im in South East UK..and dont use any lights until around > 2pm..then turn them off at around 1130pm.. Give it a try ... also Sun > light could be a factor ... if you tank is direct sun light try to > cover it with a blacket while your lights are off .. this will also > help your plants to grow . > > Hope this helps. > > Paul. > > > > > > Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > > to stop this problem > > > > Help > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San > francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16828	From: cody adams	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: a question about drift wood

yes i have a piece of driftwood and it will not sink for nothing , i was told to let it soak for weeks and i have , and it will not sink. what is the best way to go about this is it possible to glue shells and rocks to get to get it to sink, does anyone has any ideas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16829	From: Daniel	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood

If it is on a piece of slate then barrie it under your gravel and put some heavier rocks on top of both sides of the slate sticking out .If not then you might need to tie it to a rock with some string or fishing line untill all the air in the wood exscapes which took serveral weeks one time I need to sink a piece of driftwood. Daniel _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a question about drift wood yes i have a piece of driftwood and it will not sink for nothing , i was told to let it soak for weeks and i have , and it will not sink. what is the best way to go about this is it possible to glue shells and rocks to get to get it to sink, does anyone has any ideas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife"AquaticLife" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HYPERLINK "mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe"AquaticL ife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. _____ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 04/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 04/21/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16830	From: leonard stewart	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood

I have a piece of drift wood in the back ofmy tank and i have screwsin the wood and suction cups are on the screws and it is attached to the glass. cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: yes i have a piece of driftwood and it will not sink for nothing , i was told to let it soak for weeks and i have , and it will not sink. what is the best way to go about this is it possible to glue shells and rocks to get to get it to sink, does anyone has any ideas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16831	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: a question about drift wood

I have a piece that I have had for 2 years and it is still floating... Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Friday, 21 April 2006 16:12 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a question about drift wood yes i have a piece of driftwood and it will not sink for nothing , i was told to let it soak for weeks and i have , and it will not sink. what is the best way to go about this is it possible to glue shells and rocks to get to get it to sink, does anyone has any ideas Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16832	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

UV sterilizer will kill algae in the water and keep it from reblooming. I've had mine for years and haven't had an algae bloom since. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > to stop this problem > > Help > > Steve >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16833	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

where can I get one of those??? --- llrdhsktr <llrdhsktr@...> wrote: > UV sterilizer will kill algae in the water and keep it from > reblooming. I've had mine for years and haven't had an algae bloom > since. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> > wrote: > > > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a > algae > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the > tank > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able > to > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and > it > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should > do > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects > itself > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not > overfeed > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can > eat. > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the > light > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I > do > > to stop this problem > > > > Help > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16834	From: harry perry	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom/Other options./Steve.

It's normal to have an algae bloom about the time yours occurred, in a new tank. There are a lot of things going on in a tank. Chemicals added to a tank to take care of a problem makes it harder to figure out how to solve a problem. If you used Algae Destroyer obviously you don't have live plants. Live plants could help you a lot. Frequent water changes could make the problem worse. The nitrogen cycle is in a constant state of change. Algae is a one celled plant. As a plant it needs food and light. Put your lights on a timer($5.00) at Walmart, for 12 hours a day.7 to 7 works for me. The strategy is this; excess nutrients allows algae to exist.Excess nutrients are; fish waste, fish food, light. You need to eliminate the excess nutrients and the algae will go away. If you don't balance the tank no matter what you do the algae will keep coming back. You didn't say how the tank was set up. Substrate, how many fish, what kind etc. this would help us help you. Harry llrdhsktr <llrdhsktr@...> wrote: UV sterilizer will kill algae in the water and keep it from reblooming. I've had mine for years and haven't had an algae bloom since. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > to stop this problem > > Help > > Steve > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16835	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re harry

Harry I have two plecos..each about 8-10 inches long, a balla shark that is about 8 inches long and 7 small tetras. That is all I have in the tank. Why will live plants help the algae problem?? Also what is the best way to get the tank balanced...Kinda new at this.. Thanks Steve --- harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > It's normal to have an algae bloom about the time yours occurred, in a new tank. There are a lot > of things going on in a tank. Chemicals added to a tank to take care of a problem makes it > harder to figure out how to solve a problem. > > If you used Algae Destroyer obviously you don't have live plants. Live plants could help you a > lot. > > Frequent water changes could make the problem worse. The nitrogen cycle is in a constant state > of change. > > Algae is a one celled plant. As a plant it needs food and light. Put your lights on a > timer($5.00) at Walmart, for 12 hours a day.7 to 7 works for me. > > The strategy is this; excess nutrients allows algae to exist.Excess nutrients are; fish waste, > fish food, light. You need to eliminate the excess nutrients and the algae will go away. If you > don't balance the tank no matter what you do the algae will keep coming back. > > You didn't say how the tank was set up. Substrate, how many fish, what kind etc. this would help > us help you. > > Harry > > llrdhsktr <llrdhsktr@...> wrote: UV sterilizer will kill algae in the water and keep it > from > reblooming. I've had mine for years and haven't had an algae bloom > since. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@...> > wrote: > > > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a > algae > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the > tank > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able > to > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and > it > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should > do > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects > itself > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not > overfeed > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can > eat. > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the > light > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I > do > > to stop this problem > > > > Help > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ���`�.��.><((((�>.���`�.��.���`�.�><((((�> > �.���`�.�. , .���`�..><((((�> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: > old subject)" <- > <�((((><.���`�.��.���`�.�<�((((><�.���`�.�. , > .���`�..<�((((><���`�.��. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist > Biology Bucharest romania > San francisco bay area > United kingdom South africa > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at > 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16836	From: Karen	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: HELP--brown problem

Hi, My sand and live rock are turning brown. What am I doing wrong? Karen

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16837	From: james bruce moat	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: krazyzeke

i am looking for a lady that used to be a member and may still be . her first name was KIM . her handle was crazy zeke or krazzeke . i may have the spelling wrong . but if someone happens across a person who,s name maybe close to that , could you pass along this message for me please.she used to have pond fish and some tanks . we talked a lot and i would like to hear from her again. thankyouto anyone who may be of asistance in this matter . she was from around the seatale area i believe.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16838	From: Ash	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1174

ive heard that you need to boil the driftwood for a few hours in slightly salty water to get it to sink ----- Original Message ----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a question about drift wood yes i have a piece of driftwood and it will not sink for nothing , i was told to let it soak for weeks and i have , and it will not sink. what is the best way to go about this is it possible to glue shells and rocks to get to get it to sink, does anyone has any ideas

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16839	From: Ash	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1174

there will be more competition for nutrients = less algae. ----- Original Message ----- Message 15 From: "Steve Martinez" sdm1969@... Date: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:24am(PDT) Subject: Re: Re harry Why will live plants help the algae problem??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16840	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Walking cats( Clarias batrachus ) are mateing.

Hi all. Has anyone else got these Catfish..? if so what happens next.? sorry to sound a bit thick but i have no idea what to do .. The female is busy digging in the stones and Geroge is very aggressive to all other fish that come close to the " Nest.? " . Has anyone breed these befour.? ..they spend hours doing "Figure 8ts" My Plac got a good beating and my 8" Oscars had to go to another tank cos they were getting beat-up..!! Hope you can help. Paul.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16841	From: Andreas	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Walking cats( Clarias batrachus ) are mateing.

It is very common for mating fish to become very aggresive. Often they kill other tank mates in order to "secure" the eggs. YOu need to seperate them one way or another. Andreas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16842	From: cody adams	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: info on blue jack dempseys

yes i recently purchased a blue jack from the LFS and the guy there told me u can breed two blue jack together and some of the off spring will be blue jacks and some will be regular jack dempseys , but i read an article on the internet that u have to breed a blue jack dempsey with a regular jack dempsey to get blue jacks. Can anybody give me some insight on this , and also what is the different between blue jack and regular jacks ? Is it just the color of the cichlid

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16843	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: info on blue jack dempseys

with a little effort on your end you can find a lot of info on the subject yourself. goto www.google.com and insert blue jack dempsey you will come up with over 100,000 hits on the subject: the below was cut and pasted from http://www.tropicalresources.net/phpBB2/fish_profiles_octofaciatus_blue.php Common name: Blue Dempsey, Electric Blue Dempsey Scientific name: Archocentrus octofaciatus, var. blue Origin: Veracruz, Mexico to Honduras (aquarium accidental discovery by Hector Luzardo) Adult Length: 8 to 10 inches Minimum Tank Size: 40 gallon Sexing: Difficult without vent examination Breeding: See below Diet Requirements: Not a picky eater...typical carnivore faire will do just fine. Cichlid pellets, earthworms, beefheart, feeder fish, etc... General Information: Easily labeled as one of the most beautiful freshwater fish in the hobby, not much scientific data is available for the Blue Dempsey also commonly called the Electric Blue Dempsey. As a result, internet "hearsay" including falsehoods have spread and become prevalent beliefs. One of these falsehoods is the belief that this fish is a hybrid which is not true. Electric Blue Dempseys are a natural occurring variant of the Jack Dempsey, a popular aquarium fish from Central America. The fact is that the variant was not recognized and developed until recent years after being accidently discovered in an aquarium by Hector Luzardo. It is thought that the species was missed previously due to early breeders of Jack Dempseys considered the smaller "blueish" fry to be runts and were generally culled from their spawns. What is known now is that the blue variant fish grows somewhat smaller than the regular Dempsey and while still a territorial cichlid, they are less agressive than the other. The principle reason that Electric Blue Dempseys are not widely available on the market, and that prices remain high for the species ($30-$60), is due to the fact that breeding Jack Dempseys to achieve Blue Dempseys is a tricky proposition. Two blues bred together will not produce a full blue offspring. To achieve full blue offspring, you must first start with a blue male and breed him with a regular color female Jack Dempsey. The offspring that this pair creates will appear as regular Jack Dempseys, but the difference is that they will carry the blue gene. This group of fish must now be grown out to the size where a female can be determined and selected and bred back to the original blue male. The offspring of this pairing will produce an indeterminant number of true blue variant fish. Obviously a project like this is not for the faint of heart and will require enormous growout type of facilities. the below was cut and pasted from http://www.tropicalresources.net/phpBB2/fish_profiles_octofaciatus_blue.php In a message dated 4/23/2006 5:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cornbread_05@... writes: yes i recently purchased a blue jack from the LFS and the guy there told me u can breed two blue jack together and some of the off spring will be blue jacks and some will be regular jack dempseys , but i read an article on the internet that u have to breed a blue jack dempsey with a regular jack dempsey to get blue jacks. Can anybody give me some insight on this , and also what is the different between blue jack and regular jacks ? Is it just the color of the cichlid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16844	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Hermit Crab?!

Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I put it in/feed it?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16845	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

what kind of hermit... big or little... if you have a pic it would help greatly.... some are land but saltwater have hermits too... "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I put it in/feed it? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16846	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: info on blue jack dempseys

Do your OWN research... never trust the LFS!!!!!! cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: yes i recently purchased a blue jack from the LFS and the guy there told me u can breed two blue jack together and some of the off spring will be blue jacks and some will be regular jack dempseys , but i read an article on the internet that u have to breed a blue jack dempsey with a regular jack dempsey to get blue jacks. Can anybody give me some insight on this , and also what is the different between blue jack and regular jacks ? Is it just the color of the cichlid Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16847	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

they are land animals. They need warm sand and humid climate - they need to be bathed once a week. You put declorinated water in a dish and put them in upside down. Once they flip over, put them in a container with paper towels to dry before putting them back in the home. They are fed food from the store (crushed) as well as shredded carrot and raisins. They need fresh declorinated water daily as well as some things to climb on in the home. If you have any more questions, feel free! Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Hermit Crab?! Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I put it in/feed it? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16848	From: DIWA WINKU	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

No, THEY are AMPHIBIAN!! They act like a scavanger, but if you put in REEF tank,they will attack your TurboSnail and STEAL the SHELL. You put them in fresh water,..........u KILL them Frederic Ouellet <fcouellet@...> wrote: they are land animals. They need warm sand and humid climate - they need to be bathed once a week. You put declorinated water in a dish and put them in upside down. Once they flip over, put them in a container with paper towels to dry before putting them back in the home. They are fed food from the store (crushed) as well as shredded carrot and raisins. They need fresh declorinated water daily as well as some things to climb on in the home. If you have any more questions, feel free! Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Hermit Crab?! Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I put it in/feed it? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16849	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

There are literally hundreds of species of Hermit Crabs, some terrestrial, but most are entirely aquatic (marine). You will need to find out which type you have. If its aquatic, you can keep it with your salt water fish (provided they are big enough) if this is what you have. You can feed it tid-bits of fish, shrimp, crab or clam. If you can find small clams, they will open them. They will even eat left-over flake food that you might be feeding to your fish. They also like algae. Be prepared to supply him with an ever-increasing size of an assortment of empty gastropod shells as he'll need a new larger one about once a month as he continually grows. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16850	From: Thomas W.	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

Mr, Martin There only two of hermit crabs that I know of. The Marine hermit and the land hermit. We had both. The marine hermit come in many colors. They can grow I guess to about a inch or two. They can live on basic foods. They can not however live in a fresh water tank. My brother has four in his five gallon hex tank. With five dwarf seahorses and a pipefish. He also has in there an horsecrab. As for the land hermits ours died the first week. I think it was to cold for them. I have been told that they as easy to keep as marine hermits. That will eat most anything. The food we got for ours was rather cheap. I think the biggest issue for ours was the temperature. Almost forgot they a wet sponge. The sponges for them are easy to find. The last thing will be needed are extra empty shells. You might have better luck then we did. Thanks Tommybill44 --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in > the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 > for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I > put it in/feed it? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16851	From: ryfraph13	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Hermit Crab?!

Good News is the little thing is still alive. I will be taking it to the LFS as soon as they open. I put it in an empty 15 gallon tank with a flower vase full of hot water wrapped w/ a damp towel and put a heater into the water on high. There is visible moisture on the tank walls, so much that I can barely see in, so thats good becuase it means its warm enough and has plenty of humidity. I googled "hermit crabs" and the first site I went to said minimum temp of 72 and minimum of 70% humidity. The cats are fascinated by our over night guest, all of them have been staring at the tank all night. My brother got the thing at the Stockton Asparagus Festival, I guess the way the traveling carnivals give goldfish as a "prize". It seems so irresponsible that they give away living creatures with not even as much as an info sheet on how to care for it. Thanks for the help. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Are Hermit Crabs Aquatic? I mean do they live in water w/ my fish in > the tank? I thought they were land animals. My brother just gave me 1 > for reasons unkown, maybe he thought they go in the tank. What do I > put it in/feed it? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16852	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Odd Question

I'm going to be redoing a few things with my home office and was wondering if the average wooden file cabinate could support a 29 gallon aquarium? One will fit from the measurements I took, but am wondering about the weight. Thanks in advance for yalls's replies! -Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16853	From: dragonman_999	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Gill Problem

My goldfish appears to not be using one gill and the other gill is almost constantly and spastically in use! Anybody have any clue to what this is and if possible some advice? Please respond ASAP. Thanks Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16854	From: 42	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Odd Question

It should work... I've used bed side table before and file cabinets are much more sturdy The Dragon Hunter <dragon.hunter@...> wrote: I'm going to be redoing a few things with my home office and was wondering if the average wooden file cabinate could support a 29 gallon aquarium? One will fit from the measurements I took, but am wondering about the weight. Thanks in advance for yalls's replies! -Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16855	From: cody adams	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: wolf fish

has anybody kept or knows anything about the wolf fish i seen one at a local pet store and i am really thinking about getting one, I have read up on it , but i would to here some info from someone who has some experience with this fish

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16856	From: 42	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Tanks/mytank10.htm http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/fresh/wolffish.shtml http://forums.waterwolves.com/index.php?showtopic=88536 http://www.riverwonders.com/catalog/i12.html cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: has anybody kept or knows anything about the wolf fish i seen one at a local pet store and i am really thinking about getting one, I have read up on it , but i would to here some info from someone who has some experience with this fish Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16857	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: dojos and goldfish

When I bought my 4 goldfish at petsmart they had dojos in with them. I am wondering is that a good combo? I thought dojos were "scaleless" and more apt to be extremely sensitive to the water conditions caused by the goldfish waste factories. I have been thinking of getting a couple to add, may even consider getting a couple to go in my livebearer/cory cat tank as well. Any tips on this situation would be appreciated. MM & MP, '73 Tricia, KG6PNC A 2 sites for fun http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=trycya http://www.gopetslive.com/inviter/?Trycya Already have a Neopets account, interested in trying out one of the premium accounts? Ask me for a referral and include your Neopets username ONLY and I will Neomail you a referral.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16858	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

Why not get an African Tiger Fish? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16859	From: cody adams	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

can u tell me about the African Tiger Fish, there is little to no information about on the internet --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16860	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Traira: wolf fish

I think the Brazilian name is "Traira". Although it is a very voracious fish, anglers are still more voracious and use to eat them after fishing. http://www.pesca.com.br/mundodapesca/peixe/doce/traira.htm best wishes, Thomas Mundo Novo, Brazil. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > has anybody kept or knows anything about the wolf fish i seen one at a > local pet store and i am really thinking about getting one, I have read > up on it , but i would to here some info from someone who has some > experience with this fish >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16861	From: 42	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

That's because African Tiger Fish is another name for Wolf Fish cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u tell me about the African Tiger Fish, there is little to no information about on the internet --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16862	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

they are different fish but they are in the same family --- 42 <wassergottin@...> wrote: > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name > for Wolf Fish > > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u > tell me about the African Tiger Fish, there is > little to no information about on the internet > > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest > romania San francisco bay area United kingdom > South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones > from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16863	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

So wolf fish is a generalized word for voracious large characins (like on http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/fresh/atigerf.shtml) except perhaps for Piranhas? Thomas - Mundo Novo - Brazil. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, 42 <wassergottin@...> wrote: > > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name for Wolf Fish > > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u tell me about the African Tiger Fish, there is > little to no information about on the internet > > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16864	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

Hydrocynus Vittatus is the african tiger fish , and the Hoplias malabaricus is the wolf fish --- 42 <wassergottin@...> wrote: > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name > for Wolf Fish > > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u > tell me about the African Tiger Fish, there is > little to no information about on the internet > > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the > TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest > romania San francisco bay area United kingdom > South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones > from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16865	From: cody adams	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

Hydrocynus Vittatus is the african tiger fish , and the Hoplias malabaricus is the wolf fish --- Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: > So wolf fish is a generalized word for voracious > large characins > > (like on > > http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/fresh/atigerf.shtml) > > except perhaps for Piranhas? > > Thomas - Mundo Novo - Brazil. > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, 42 > <wassergottin@...> wrote: > > > > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name > for Wolf Fish > > > > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u tell > me about the > African Tiger Fish, there is > > little to no information about on the internet > > > > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > > > > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when replying, > thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< > ((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of > the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject > (was re: old > subject)" <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º > ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest > romania San > francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular > phones from your PC > and save big. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16866	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

Found a couple of pics here of the African Tiger Fish. http://www.jjphoto.dk/fish_archive/warm_freshwater/hydrocynus_vittatus.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: wolf fish > Hydrocynus Vittatus is the african tiger fish , and > the Hoplias malabaricus is the wolf fish > --- Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: > >> So wolf fish is a generalized word for voracious >> large characins >> >> (like on >> >> > http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/fresh/atigerf.shtml) >> >> except perhaps for Piranhas? >> >> Thomas - Mundo Novo - Brazil. >> >> >> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, 42 >> <wassergottin@...> wrote: >> > >> > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name >> for Wolf Fish >> > >> > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u tell >> me about the >> African Tiger Fish, there is >> > little to no information about on the internet >> > >> > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: >> > >> > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? >> > > >> > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > > removed] >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it >> when replying, >> thanks. >> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> >> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< >> ((((º> >> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT >> that is NOT >> important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of >> the original >> message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject >> (was re: old >> subject)" <- >> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >> .·´¯`·..<º >> ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this >> matter. >> > >> > >> > >> > SPONSORED LINKS >> > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest >> romania San >> francisco bay area United kingdom South africa >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> > >> > >> > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email >> to: >> > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >> Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular >> phones from your PC >> and save big. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16867	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: wolf fish

Found a couple of the Wolf Fish with tank and care specs. http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/tigrfish.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Dragon Hunter" <dragon.hunter@...> To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: wolf fish > Found a couple of pics here of the African Tiger Fish. > > http://www.jjphoto.dk/fish_archive/warm_freshwater/hydrocynus_vittatus.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: wolf fish > > >> Hydrocynus Vittatus is the african tiger fish , and >> the Hoplias malabaricus is the wolf fish >> --- Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: >> >>> So wolf fish is a generalized word for voracious >>> large characins >>> >>> (like on >>> >>> >> http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/fresh/atigerf.shtml) >>> >>> except perhaps for Piranhas? >>> >>> Thomas - Mundo Novo - Brazil. >>> >>> >>> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, 42 >>> <wassergottin@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > That's because African Tiger Fish is another name >>> for Wolf Fish >>> > >>> > cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: can u tell >>> me about the >>> African Tiger Fish, there is >>> > little to no information about on the internet >>> > >>> > --- sevenspringss@... wrote: >>> > >>> > > Why not get an African Tiger Fish? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >>> > > removed] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> > Do You Yahoo!? >>> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>> protection around >>> > http://mail.yahoo.com >>> > >>> > >>> > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it >>> when replying, >>> thanks. >>> > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> >>> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< >>> ((((º> >>> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT >>> that is NOT >>> important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of >>> the original >>> message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject >>> (was re: old >>> subject)" <- >>> > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , >>> .·´¯`·..<º >>> ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >>> > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this >>> matter. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > SPONSORED LINKS >>> > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest >>> romania San >>> francisco bay area United kingdom South africa >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >>> > >>> > >>> > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email >>> to: >>> > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> > >>> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >>> Yahoo! Terms of >>> Service. >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular >>> phones from your PC >>> and save big. >>> > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >>> removed] >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >> ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important >> to >> the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >> SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- >> <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16868	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Utricularia as a fry hiding place

I would like to know if the carnivorous plant Utricularia can be used as a hiding place for fish fry, of if the fry may get eaten by Utricularia ? (They are livebearers, the fish.) Thomas - Mundo Novo, Brazil.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16869	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: Utricularia as a fry hiding place

Thomas, Yes, there have been reports documented to the effect that Bladderwort can trap fish fry, especially the smaller egglayer fry. I don't believe any of the 20 or so species of Utricularia are capable of trapping most larger livebearer fry, especially the more popular (in the trade) U. minor, which can only trap smaller fry of Betta size, but some of the species growing larger utricles (catching bladders) may be able to trap guppy fry. These may include U.neottiodes, U. stellaris and U. flexuosa, all found in your area (Brazil). Ray \ --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Schlemmermeyer" <evolthomas@...> wrote: > > > I would like to know if the carnivorous plant Utricularia can be used > as a hiding place for fish fry, of if the fry may get eaten by > Utricularia ? (They are livebearers, the fish.) > > Thomas - Mundo Novo, Brazil. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16870	From: Steve Martinez	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Help w/ Uv Sterilizer decision

Hey Group I need some advise ...I am looking into buying a UV Steralizer for my fish tank. My tank size is 55 Gal. Does anyone have any recommendations of which one I should buy and where to buy it. I have looked at a few but to be honest I am new to this and I would like to get it right. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16871	From: Charity Thornhill	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: New here.

My name is Charity, I have a freshwater aquarium with platies, an angelfish, and a bristlenose algae eater. I've searched high and low for a group that I could join so that I could get assistance and give advice when I need it. I've have had my 55 gallon aquarium for 3 years; before that I had a 30 gallon. I look forward to getting to know everybody and thanks for letting me join this group! Charity

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16872	From: paul	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: New here.

Hi there..and welcome. We are a good bunch here , Many are very experanced in fish keeping. and will always give good advice. All the best Paul. Charity Thornhill <charity_j_thornhill@...> wrote: My name is Charity, I have a freshwater aquarium with platies, an angelfish, and a bristlenose algae eater. I've searched high and low for a group that I could join so that I could get assistance and give advice when I need it. I've have had my 55 gallon aquarium for 3 years; before that I had a 30 gallon. I look forward to getting to know everybody and thanks for letting me join this group! Charity Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16873	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Utricularia as a fry hiding place

Thanks for the hints.The livebearers would be simple ornamental Guppies and pretty large ornamental Xiphophorous hybrids. The Utricularia is Tropical and Brazilian, I will let identify it. Are there any good keys? Thomas --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Thomas, Yes, there have been reports documented to the effect that > Bladderwort can trap fish fry, especially the smaller egglayer fry. I > don't believe any of the 20 or so species of Utricularia are capable of > trapping most larger livebearer fry, especially the more popular (in > the trade) U. minor, which can only trap smaller fry of Betta size, but > some of the species growing larger utricles (catching bladders) may be > able to trap guppy fry. These may include U.neottiodes, U. stellaris > and U. flexuosa, all found in your area (Brazil). Ray > \ > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Schlemmermeyer" > <evolthomas@> wrote: > > > > > > I would like to know if the carnivorous plant Utricularia can be used > > as a hiding place for fish fry, of if the fry may get eaten by > > Utricularia ? (They are livebearers, the fish.) > > > > Thomas - Mundo Novo, Brazil. > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16874	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Help w/ Uv Sterilizer decision

what kind of tank... also i would reccomend that you get one which exposes the water to the UV for a longer period of time..... lets say if its a higher gph pumping it then get somthing with twist style... if its slower..... the typical would be ok..... but this all depends on your application according to what ive read. Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: Hey Group I need some advise ...I am looking into buying a UV Steralizer for my fish tank. My tank size is 55 Gal. Does anyone have any recommendations of which one I should buy and where to buy it. I have looked at a few but to be honest I am new to this and I would like to get it right. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16875	From: Tank Trinkets	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: New here.

Welcome to the group Charity and I am pretty sure whatever questions you have someone in this group will know the answers. Take care and have a great day. Shane www.tanktrinkets.com <http://www.tanktrinkets.com/> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charity Thornhill Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:52 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] RE: New here. My name is Charity, I have a freshwater aquarium with platies, an angelfish, and a bristlenose algae eater. I've searched high and low for a group that I could join so that I could get assistance and give advice when I need it. I've have had my 55 gallon aquarium for 3 years; before that I had a 30 gallon. I look forward to getting to know everybody and thanks for letting me join this group! Charity Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16876	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: New here.

Welcome Charity, this is a great group with alot of really nice people. Shannon Charity Thornhill <charity_j_thornhill@...> wrote: My name is Charity, I have a freshwater aquarium with platies, an angelfish, and a bristlenose algae eater. I've searched high and low for a group that I could join so that I could get assistance and give advice when I need it. I've have had my 55 gallon aquarium for 3 years; before that I had a 30 gallon. I look forward to getting to know everybody and thanks for letting me join this group! Charity Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16877	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: New here.

Hello, my name is thomas, some 26 - 22 years ago, I had a 30 gallons tank with Pelvicachromis pulcher (very nice mating and subsequent parents´ care observations), Pterophyllum scalare (actually this fish is too big for a 30 gallons tank, but one female survived nevertheless and as she had no male partner, she always deposited the eggs alone on a leaf exerting parental care until the eggs got destroyed anyway); by luck I also got a mating pair of Ancistrus, and these fish always reproduced themselves in a magnificent and rather obscure manner (not revealing many details of their life history). Among the livebearers I managed to breed in a non-professional way, there are guppies (Poecilia reticulata) and the Jamaica-Livebearers (Limia melanogaster). And I also reproduced with success Trichogaster leeri. Then when I was 19 years old or so, I had many other things to do and I gave up fish keeping. Platies I never came to try out. But now I am starting again in a rather ludicrous manner. I am keeping small Guppies (in a 20 Gallons tank), and large Xiphophoros- Hybrids (I think they are neither platies nor swordtails, but rather a wild mixture between the two species) in a some 130 gallons tank or so. At the same time I am keeping interesting water plants, such as tropical Myriophyllum, Utricularia, Elodea and Salvinia sp. As I am meanwhile a biologist with Ph-d., what attracts me most in these ludicrous, still rather undefined expeditions between pet-shops and evolutionary biology is the question of phenotypic plasticity, that is the question how members of the same species, and even of the same genotype, may present different phenotypes, or put in a non- academic way, how members of the same species, and even of the same genotype, may look so differently according to variations in growth, food, tank etc. In fish, unfortunately it is not possible to get identical genotypes in a non-academic way, but the fry of the same parents are at least very strong related in genetic terms. Only gynogenetic fish, such as the all female Amazon mollies (Poecilia formosa) would allow for the study of identical or almost identical genotypes, but this again is a rather academic topic. But waterplants that are obtained through vegetative reproduction (reproduction without flowers, by simple budding) constitute perfect clones with identical genotypes, allowing the observation of phenotypic plasticity. this is my welcome somewhere on the halfway between pet-shop and science, best wishes, Thomas Schlemmermeyer - Mundo Novo - Brazil. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Charity Thornhill" <charity_j_thornhill@...> wrote: > > My name is Charity, I have a freshwater aquarium with platies, an > angelfish, and a bristlenose algae eater. I've searched high and low > for a group that I could join so that I could get assistance and give > advice when I need it. > > I've have had my 55 gallon aquarium for 3 years; before that I had a > 30 gallon. > > I look forward to getting to know everybody and thanks for letting me > join this group! > Charity >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16878	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Black Hair Algie

Hello all. Over the past few weeks iv been putting plants into my 180G tank..but iv found some black "Hairs" growing on my pots/ rocks etc.!..Iv not seen this before until i started putting Real plants in.! Is this Black Hair ok.?? Thakns Paul. OH ps.. i feed my plants ever 2 weeks...lights are on 10hours a day.2x30 watt aqua glow..water change 10% per week with RO Water.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16879	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Adding some driftwood...

I have a few pieces of drift wood that I want to put back into the tank. They have each been in the tank before but they have been out for about a year. The last time I put a piece in, it grew white all over so I removed it. What do I need to do to get this stuff ready other than soak it in water? Thanks, Leslie (and a lot of thankful tropical fish.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16880	From: kb1dva	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Help -

My Oscars have white spots on them - I don't have a clue what's wrong, or how to fix it Emily [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16881	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "kb1dva" <vze3pd7a@...> wrote: > > My Oscars have white spots on them - I don't have a clue what's wrong, or > how to fix it Emily ----------------------------- Emily: Your oscars have " ich " its like you getting a cold. If you have a spare tank put tjem in there and raise the temp. to around 80F and go to your LFS and get medicine for ich your local store can give you the proper meds. If no spare tank youll have to treat the main tank. Be sure to take out any carbon in your filter as it will remove the meds.The oscars probably got chilled somehow if your other fish are in good condition they should not catch it. Regards Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16882	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

A good Ich medication is Quick Cure, which is effective and yet easy on the fish. Ask for that. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16883	From: hank voss	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "kb1dva" <vze3pd7a@...> wrote: > > My Oscars have white spots on them - I don't have a clue what's wrong, or > how to fix it Emily > > HI: If you use the Quick cure as Ray suggested be careful as a lot of tetras are sensitive to it. Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16884	From: Patrick	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

How big is the tank? What are the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels? Can you give a more detailed description of what is on the fish? If it looks like salt, it is ich. If it does not look like salt, then it is not ich. I do not suggest using anything but salt (1 teaspoon per 5 gallons) and to raise the heat to no less than 86°F for at least a week. The salt aids gill functioning while the temperature is up, while the temperature kills every ich parasite in the tank. Patrick

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16885	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

If its Ich, make that 1 tablespoon of salt per 5 gallons (at 86 o), until 3 days after you see no more signs of the Ich. Could take a week (or less, if its very mild), or possibly 10 days. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16886	From: deborahgd14	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

Stick with what Ray says and get the temp. up to 86. I have tried meds and the heat method seems to work the best. Deborah D --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "kb1dva" <vze3pd7a@...> wrote: > > My Oscars have white spots on them - I don't have a clue what's wrong, or > how to fix it Emily > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16887	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: a question out of curiousity

I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your particular region.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16888	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

I have read that native fishes in this part of the world need cold water with high oxygen content that is nearly impossible to duplicate in the aquarium and not compatible with any other aquarium fish. Also that they get too large the only one mentioned as even possible is the Pumpkin Seed Sunny (?) which is still a very large fish at maturity for an aquarium. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:29 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] a question out of curiousity I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your particular region. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16889	From: hank voss	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are ================================================== Cody: The northern native fish require cooler cooler water conditions. You can keep them for a while but they usually start to waste away You can keep sunfish and most darters also some of the dace but they still require cooler water than the tropicals Regards Hank > there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and > south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish > native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, > different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your > particular region. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16890	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

what u mean by waste away and what are darter and dace --- hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" > <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from > connecticut in the > > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone > keep fish native > to > > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, > ponds and streams. > Are > ================================================== > > Cody: > The northern native fish require cooler cooler > water conditions. > You can keep them for a while but they usually start > to waste away You > can keep sunfish and most darters also some of the > dace but they still > require cooler water than the tropicals > > Regards Hank > > > > > > > > > there any that are aggressive and can be > compatible with central and > > south american cichlids , i have read that types > of bass are closley > > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight > about keeping fish > > native to where there from. Species such as bass , > perch, pike, > > different species of catfish and whatever else > may be native to > your > > particular region. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16891	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

Native coldwater fish are a little bit difficult to keep if they are from cold water, as it is much more difficult to cool water temperature down than to heat water temperature up. However, some guys may be living in tropical regions such as it is the case with me. Even in Tropical regions it is more difficult to keep native fish than to keep aquarium bred fish. I tried, for example, once to keep a Tropical Native livebearer (together with a student of mine), but we did not succed in doing so, I suppose we failed because these fish did not eat the flake food we offered, and then all the flakes caused a water deterioration. Unfortunately, I do not have time nor possibility, to run for live food. So, I guess on another occasion I will try to keep this particular livebearer once again, being however more careful with the food doses and I will also vary the flakes, trying out several brands. I am, for instance, always astonished about the high flake consumption rates obtained by ornamental, aquarium bred guppies (Poecilia reticulata). It seems to me that during many aquarium generations some strains of this species were transformed into true flake-eating machines. I don´t even know why professional breeders spent so much time, effort, and money in breeding Artemia for them, at least my guppies always eat flake food right from the first day of life, and I am now trying to select strains for even more voracious flake eating in the juvenile phase. Perhaps, wild livebearer species or other native species could be customized to flake eating in a short period of time as well? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are > there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and > south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish > native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, > different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your > particular region. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16892	From: cody adams	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

qhats the name of this fish u guys were trying to raise --- Thomas Schlemmermeyer <evolthomas@...> wrote: > > Native coldwater fish are a little bit difficult to > keep if they are > from cold water, as it is much more difficult to > cool water > temperature down than to heat water temperature up. > > However, some guys may be living in tropical regions > such as it is the > case with me. > > Even in Tropical regions it is more difficult to > keep native fish than > to keep aquarium bred fish. > > I tried, for example, once to keep a Tropical Native > livebearer > (together with a student of mine), but we did not > succed in doing so, > I suppose we failed because these fish did not eat > the flake food we > offered, and then all the flakes caused a water > deterioration. > Unfortunately, I do not have time nor possibility, > to run for live > food. > > So, I guess on another occasion I will try to keep > this particular > livebearer once again, being however more careful > with the food doses > and I will also vary the flakes, trying out several > brands. > > I am, for instance, always astonished about the high > flake consumption > rates obtained by ornamental, aquarium bred guppies > (Poecilia > reticulata). It seems to me that during many > aquarium generations some > strains of this species were transformed into true > flake-eating > machines. I don´t even know why professional > breeders spent so much > time, effort, and money in breeding Artemia for > them, at least my > guppies always eat flake food right from the first > day of life, and I > am now trying to select strains for even more > voracious flake eating > in the juvenile phase. > > Perhaps, wild livebearer species or other native > species could be > customized to flake eating in a short period of time > as well? > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" > <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from > connecticut in the > > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone > keep fish native > to > > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, > ponds and streams. > Are > > there any that are aggressive and can be > compatible with central and > > south american cichlids , i have read that types > of bass are closley > > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight > about keeping fish > > native to where there from. Species such as bass , > perch, pike, > > different species of catfish and whatever else > may be native to > your > > particular region. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16893	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

I live in minneapolis, MN. I have a couple of large aquariums in which I keep native fish and goldfish. In the 55 gal I have two comets, 2 bluegill sunfish and a bullhead (the bluegills and bullhead are from a lfs that sells gamefish). In the 39 gal I have two fancy goldfish, 2 fatheads (the 3rd died recently) and a baby bullhead - I moved the baby to the smaller tank after the other bullhead all the sudden had a growth spurt and got a big old mouth...I was worried :) I've had the native fish for less than a year and I hope they don't start wasting away like someone mentioned. For now they seem to be doing really well, and I'm not planning on adding anymore fish to their aquariums, so with lots of live plants and regular water changes hopefully it will be a little while before they outgrow (because then, I will be in trouble!) They all feed readily on goldfish flakes, bloodworms, sinking pellets, etc. The bullheads like to hide either at the bottom of the tank or under a leaf, but the bluegills are very interactive. The comets must have taught them how to beg; the larger bluegill is an aggressive eater and will bite fingers than enter the tank :) The fatheads are from a bait store. I would not recommend getting pet fish from a bait store; most of them died but the ones that are left have been healthy long enough that I'm confident they won't spread anything to the other fish. I posted some pics on my lj; the 2nd-5th pics are my two coldwater tanks: http://avic-litee.livejournal.com/53121.html Oh yeah.....it gets really hot in the summer and the AC at my boyfriend's house doesn't always work. I got a couple of mini-fans to blow across the top of the tank (only used them on the 55 so far) and it does actually cool the water a bit. I am very careful to position them in such a way that they can not fall into the tank. Emily On 4/29/06, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are > there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and > south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish > native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, > different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your > particular region. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16894	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > what u mean by waste away and what are darter and dace ========================================================= Cody: When i say wasteing away they become slimmer and slimmer to the point of being hollowed bellied.If you Google image search you can see some pict. of them.Sunfish,darters,bullhead cats usually adapt well to tank conditions some of the dace do not do so well though.The fish above will eat most food types while the ones that waste away need different types (live).Its not impossible to keep them but it requires a lot of work on your part.In most states its against the law to collect natives without a license. Regards Hank > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16895	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

I wonder if that's what happened to some of my fatheads...maybe they were not getting a balanced diet. Emily On 4/30/06, hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > what u mean by waste away and what are darter and dace > ========================================================= > > Cody: > When i say wasteing away they become slimmer and slimmer to > the point of being hollowed bellied.If you Google image search you > can see some pict. of them.Sunfish,darters,bullhead cats usually > adapt well to tank conditions some of the dace do not do so well > though.The fish above will eat most food types while the ones that > waste away need different types (live).Its not impossible to keep > them but it requires a lot of work on your part.In most states its > against the law to collect natives without a license. > > > Regards Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16896	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

Yes, Bass (Micropterus) are related to Cichlids, being in the same Order (Percomorphi), even if somewhat distantly so. One problem with trying to keep them both together is their different temperature requirements. Then too, various states have different laws pertaining to keeping gamefish, especially since there may be minimum size limits. You can occassionally get around the temperature thing by keeping it at a happy medium enjoyed by both species. My Tiger Muskellunge gets along great with my Alligator Gar and my M. salmoides gets along fine with the Apistogrammas. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16897	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

Under aquarium keepers, its vernacular name is Speckled Mosquitofish, sometimes referred to also as a One-Spot-Livebearer, or even dusky Millions Fish. Probably several distinct biological species circulate under these vernacular names. We do not reveal the scientific name of our species, as the name has not even been published so far. But a specialist already described the species and he does know which one it is. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > qhats the name of this fish u guys were trying to > raise >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16898	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Help -

Emily, No doubt you have already started on a cure for your Oscar by now, but actually there are two ways to approach the treatment of Ich. To treat larger, hardier (those that will take medication with less stress), a faster method is to raise the temperature up to 80 o, as Hank suggested, so that the Ich is exposed to the medication at a faster rate. This will somewhat increase the fish's metabolism as well, while upping his immune system to ward off secondary infections at this time by other pathogens. The other method of increasing the temperature to at least 86 o, as Patrick first suggested, does not include the use of medications, which is especially more stress-free particularly for those species less tolerant of some of these medications. Most tropical fish can tolerate the higher temperature for the time needed to effect a cure, even if there is some stress involved; it is hardly ever life-threatening. It is highly recommended to increase your aeration during this period of increased temperature, to allow for faster exchange of gases at the water's surface ensuring for as high an oxygen content of the water at that temperature as can be possible, with a faster release of carbon dioxide to the air. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16899	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

What kind of filtration are you using? - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > Trevor.. > > I am not growing any plants at all.. I just would love to have a clear tank ..lol > > Is there anyway to get rid of the algae?? > > Steve > --- Trevor <trevor@...> wrote: > > > Unless you're trying to grow plants (or algae :D ), the lighting is > > really for you, not the fish. You could simply turn the lights on when > > you're feeding or watching the fish and keep them off otherwise, and > > the fish won't mind (assuming that the room isn't completely dark > > otherwise). > > > > - Trevor > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, paul <paul633uk@> wrote: > > > > > > try to keep your lights on for 10 hours ... ie off all day but put > > them on at night ... > > > Im in South East UK..and dont use any lights until around > > 2pm..then turn them off at around 1130pm.. Give it a try ... also Sun > > light could be a factor ... if you tank is direct sun light try to > > cover it with a blacket while your lights are off .. this will also > > help your plants to grow . > > > Hope this helps. > > > Paul. > > > > > > > > > Steve Martinez <sdm1969@> wrote: > > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > > > to stop this problem > > > > > > Help > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San > > francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16900	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

You can definitely cut down on the amount of time the lights are on. - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Martinez <sdm1969@...> wrote: > > Trevor > > I used the light kit that came with the tank, 15 watt lamps...two of them. I usually leave the > lights on for about 12-14 hours and off all night long.. > > Thanks > Steve > > --- Trevor <trevor@...> wrote: > > > What kind of lighting do you use and for how long? > > > > - Trevor > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Martinez" <sdm1969@> wrote: > > > > > > here we go again... I have a 55 gallon tank and it has been > > > established for about 2 months now. I have lately been having a algae > > > problem. It is definately a aggae bloom. I bought a product > > > called "Algae destroyer" It worked great....within 30 minutes the tank > > > was crystal clear. Everyone was very happy that we were again able to > > > see the fish. BUT. Slowly the tank became cloudy again. Now it is > > > again looking like pea soup. I added the Algae distroyer again and it > > > did absoultely nothing..at all. I was reccommended that I should do > > > about a 20% water change everyday until the problem corrects itself > > > but after a week of water changes it was not helped. I do not overfeed > > > the fish at all..usually only once a day and only what they can eat. > > > The only thing that I have read that I don't follow is that the light > > > is on for most of the day but off during the night. What should I do > > > to stop this problem > > > > > > Help > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16901	From: Trevor	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

There are many native North American fish that are small enough to keep and that don't require a chiller to keep the water cold. All that is required in many states to capture them is a fishing license. There is a good book on the subject called North American Native Fishes for the Home Aquarium, by David M. Schleser. (Unfortunately, though, it appears to be quite rare - it looks like a used copy starts at $49.75 ( http://www.bestwebbuys.com/0764103679 ). And to think I got mine from the bargain table at Borders for a couple of bucks!) - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...> wrote: > > I have read that native fishes in this part of the world need cold water > with high oxygen content that is nearly impossible to duplicate in the > aquarium and not compatible with any other aquarium fish. Also that they > get too large the only one mentioned as even possible is the Pumpkin Seed > Sunny (?) which is still a very large fish at maturity for an aquarium. > > > > _____ > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of cody adams > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:29 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] a question out of curiousity > > > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from connecticut in the > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone keep fish native to > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, ponds and streams. Are > there any that are aggressive and can be compatible with central and > south american cichlids , i have read that types of bass are closley > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight about keeping fish > native to where there from. Species such as bass , perch, pike, > different species of catfish and whatever else may be native to your > particular region. > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Marine > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 > =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 > =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist > > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& > w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af > rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> > > Bucharest > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w > 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w > 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania > > > San > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog > ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king > dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay > area > > United > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B > iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S > outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom > > South > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio > logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou > th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16902	From: paul whitby	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Black Hair Algie

Any ideas..? iv got this black hair type algie on my rocks/pots etc... This has only started since i started putting real plans in. Thanks. paul..

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16903	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

oh ok thank you --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > Yes, Bass (Micropterus) are related to Cichlids, > being in the same Order > (Percomorphi), even if somewhat distantly so. One > problem with trying to keep > them both together is their different temperature > requirements. Then too, > various states have different laws pertaining to > keeping gamefish, especially > since there may be minimum size limits. You can > occassionally get around the > temperature thing by keeping it at a happy medium > enjoyed by both species. My > Tiger Muskellunge gets along great with my Alligator > Gar and my M. salmoides gets > along fine with the Apistogrammas. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16904	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

whats a bull head --- Emily Tenczar <etenczar@...> wrote: > I live in minneapolis, MN. I have a couple of large > aquariums in which I > keep native fish and goldfish. In the 55 gal I have > two comets, 2 bluegill > sunfish and a bullhead (the bluegills and bullhead > are from a lfs that sells > gamefish). In the 39 gal I have two fancy goldfish, > 2 fatheads (the 3rd died > recently) and a baby bullhead - I moved the baby to > the smaller tank after > the other bullhead all the sudden had a growth spurt > and got a big old > mouth...I was worried :) > > I've had the native fish for less than a year and I > hope they don't start > wasting away like someone mentioned. For now they > seem to be doing really > well, and I'm not planning on adding anymore fish to > their aquariums, so > with lots of live plants and regular water changes > hopefully it will be a > little while before they outgrow (because then, I > will be in trouble!) > > They all feed readily on goldfish flakes, > bloodworms, sinking pellets, etc. > The bullheads like to hide either at the bottom of > the tank or under a leaf, > but the bluegills are very interactive. The comets > must have taught them how > to beg; the larger bluegill is an aggressive eater > and will bite fingers > than enter the tank :) The fatheads are from a bait > store. I would not > recommend getting pet fish from a bait store; most > of them died but the ones > that are left have been healthy long enough that I'm > confident they won't > spread anything to the other fish. > > I posted some pics on my lj; the 2nd-5th pics are my > two coldwater tanks: > http://avic-litee.livejournal.com/53121.html > > Oh yeah.....it gets really hot in the summer and the > AC at my boyfriend's > house doesn't always work. I got a couple of > mini-fans to blow across the > top of the tank (only used them on the 55 so far) > and it does actually cool > the water a bit. I am very careful to position them > in such a way that they > can not fall into the tank. > > Emily > > > On 4/29/06, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > I am not sure where everyones from but i am from > connecticut in the > > north east of the usa. I was wondering has anyone > keep fish native to > > where the stay out of the lakes, rivers, brooks, > ponds and streams. Are > > there any that are aggressive and can be > compatible with central and > > south american cichlids , i have read that types > of bass are closley > > linked to cichlids , does anyone have any insight > about keeping fish > > native to where there from. Species such as bass , > perch, pike, > > different species of catfish and whatever else > may be native to your > > particular region. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > when replying, thanks. > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" > <- > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16905	From: chris topher	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie

spores might have come with the plants, palnted tanks often do well in keeping algae controlled, competition for nutrients and such... had problems with blue grean algae recently and it was suggested that i use peroxide to control it, worked like a charm... noticed hair algae in another tank, used the peroxide again with success, no harm came to the fish or plants... suggestion was 1oz per 10 gallons, i used about half that... woody --- paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: > Any ideas..? iv got this black hair type algie on my > rocks/pots etc... > This has only started since i started putting real > plans in. > Thanks. > paul.. > > > > test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16906	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: 150 gallon, what filters

I just bought a 150 gallon fresh water tank and I'm shopping around for a filter/pump. the measurment of the tank is 72"Lx20"Wx25.5"H What is the best filter to use? This is the one I'm looking at right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd==1&item=w62127087 thanks magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16907	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters

~> questioning statement~ If you where going to keep a couple hundred neon teras in a semi planted tank you might get away with minimal filteration, bigger fish and more fish equal bigger waste loads. I think the choice would depend on how you are going to use the tank . Fish of choice and what do you want the over all look of the tank to be. If this is going to be a show tank viewable by not only yourself, your family but by others as well maybe a couple canister filters tucked underneath would be your best solution. If you don't mind a hang on back filteration a couple Aquaclear 500's would be a good choice. For any tank over 75 gallons I'd personally suggest at LEAST 2 filters, incase one of the filters go down the tank will still have some sort of filteration. Makes it easier when cleaning filters also to have one viable filter while the other is down for cleaning. Canister filters are great for larger tanks and hide more or less unnoticable in a lot of tanks but they cost some $$ while other filters like Hang on back filters work great, cost less money BUT look ugly in most situations. By the way the EBAY link has been removed, so if the deal sounded way to good it probally was.... Rob Renfro NE Indiana Proud member of www.fishforums.com( sunday night Auctions 7pm EDT-10pmEDT ) www.midwestcichlid.com In a message dated 4/30/2006 2:57:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eandtuta1924@... writes: I just bought a 150 gallon fresh water tank and I'm shopping around for a filter/pump. the measurment of the tank is 72"Lx20"Wx25.5"H What is the best filter to use? This is the one I'm looking at right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd==1&item=w62127087 thanks magdalena [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16908	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: green algae bloom

Steve, The fact that you are not growing plants is 85% of your problem. Algae grows on nutrients (with the help of light, for photosynthesis). Any fish food you are adding to the tank will eventually be converted into nutrients (nitrates) for the algae, after first being broken down from fish waste into ammonia, then nitrites (then finally nitrates). Live plants use up these nutrients and make it difficult, if not impossible for algae to out-compete them depending both on the quantity of plants and the amount of light. The algae will soon cease to exist or will not be able to get a foot-hold in the beginning if properly planned. Without plants, about the only way you are going to eliminate algae is to keep the lighting at an absolute minimum and keep up with a very frequent regimen of large water changes to remove the excess nutrients. Depending upon your tap water, this may not even be enough to stop algae, as with some tap waters containing nutrients favorable to algae, the frequent water changing can sometimes create algae blooms and be counterproductive to what you are trying to achieve. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16909	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: info on aquariums

does anybody know of any type of place to get a particular large aquarium and get for a cheap price , a particular guy told me i could get a 300 gallon lobster tank from a farmers supply store or something of that nature does anyone have any ideas what he talking about or any place to get a tank for a good price . the largetst tank i have is a 125 gallon and with tank , stand , heater , and lid it came up to like 800 dollars or more . so i am just looking for ideas where to find aquariums for cheap or ideas of things to use as an aquarium , when i was in highschool i had a teacher who turned a refrigator into an aquarium so can anybody give me some ideas or information and just plain help.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16910	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

Amway is one of the best know farmers supply markets, widespread throughout many of the more rural towns at least in the Northeast; this may be what he was talking about. Don't know if they have lobster tanks or not -- you'd have to contact them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16911	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > whats a bull head > Hi: Its a catfish comes in yellow, black and brown and will eat anything that fits in its mouth and is tough as nails. PS Will get to several pounds in weight. Regards Hank > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it > > when replying, thanks. > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > > that is NOT important to > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" > > <- > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > matter. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16912	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > does anybody know of any type of place to get a particular large > aquarium and get for a cheap price , a particular guy told me i could > get a 300 gallon lobster tank from a farmers supply store or something > of that nature does anyone have any ideas what he talking about or any > place ======================================================== Cody: Do you want a fish tank or just something that holds water? If its a tank and your not in a rush check the want ads every once in a while there are some good deals there I still use refridgerator liners for storage,also made storage tanks out of marine plywood. If its not for looks anything that holds water will work ive seen quite large fiberglass vats but they are quite expensive. Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16913	From: Dragon Hunter	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Bicher

I have a bicher that I've had to seperate out. He's currently in a 10 for now while his new home is being prepared. (To good a fish to return, already very friendly towards me even if not to my gouramis in my 60). Was wondering what fish are safe with him and vice versa. Thanks in advance! -Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16914	From: magdalena jones	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters

Hi and thanks for your reply! I love this group. I have a pair of blood parrots and 5 other south american cichlids in a 55 gallon now and I'm upgrading to the bigger tank so I can let them grow and add more fish. I just have hanging on the back filters now. I haven't found hanging filters strong enough for that large tank though, but I'm gonna look for those Aquaclear 500's you talked about. The filter on Ebay is stil there, do you that's a good one? thanks again for your quick respons Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16915	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

what are fiber glass vabs and what do u mean by storage tanks, what is marine ply wood and refrigarator liner --- hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" > <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > does anybody know of any type of place to get a > particular large > > aquarium and get for a cheap price , a particular > guy told me i > could > > get a 300 gallon lobster tank from a farmers > supply store or > something > > of that nature does anyone have any ideas what he > talking about or > any > > place > ======================================================== > > Cody: > Do you want a fish tank or just something that > holds water? If > its a tank and your not in a rush check the want ads > every once in a > while there are some good deals there I still use > refridgerator > liners for storage,also made storage tanks out of > marine plywood. > If its not for looks anything that holds water > will work ive > seen quite large fiberglass vats but they are quite > expensive. > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16916	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

how big do they get --- hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams > <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > whats a bull head > > > > Hi: > Its a catfish comes in yellow, black and brown > and will eat > anything that fits in its mouth and is tough as > nails. > > > PS > Will get to several pounds in weight. > Regards Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below > it > > > when replying, thanks. > > > > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> > > > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > > > > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all > TEXT > > > that is NOT important to > > > > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the > original > > > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > > > > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old > subject)" > > > <- > > > > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , > > > .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > > > > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > > > matter. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16917	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

thank you --- sevenspringss@... wrote: > Amway is one of the best know farmers supply > markets, widespread throughout > many of the more rural towns at least in the > Northeast; this may be what he was > talking about. Don't know if they have lobster > tanks or not -- you'd have > to contact them. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16918	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

You probably meant to say Agway. Amway is a totally different company. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:36 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] info on aquariums Amway is one of the best know farmers supply markets, widespread throughout many of the more rural towns at least in the Northeast; this may be what he was talking about. Don't know if they have lobster tanks or not -- you'd have to contact them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16919	From: Elisabeth Agnello	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: does anyone have koi fish

if anyone in this group have koi fish please email me at iwishiwassaracalloway@... and tell me about waht you have to do if you want to own this beauties of fish. tell if you can get them under 1,000 dollars

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16920	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters

I think you should use an Eheim filter. And I think you should give your current tank away for free to a very good friend. =) ~Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eandtuta1924 Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] 150 gallon, what filters I just bought a 150 gallon fresh water tank and I'm shopping around for a filter/pump. the measurment of the tank is 72"Lx20"Wx25.5"H What is the best filter to use? This is the one I'm looking at right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd==1&item=w62127087> &rd==1&item=w62127087 thanks magdalena Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16921	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

yeah thats what i think he mant but the do not sell it up there i looked --- Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: > You probably meant to say Agway. Amway is a totally > different company. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of sevenspringss@... > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:36 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] info on aquariums > > Amway is one of the best know farmers supply > markets, widespread throughout > many of the more rural towns at least in the > Northeast; this may be what he > was talking about. Don't know if they have lobster > tanks or not -- you'd > have to contact them. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when > replying, thanks. > 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> > 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT > that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original > message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , > .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this > matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16922	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish

Koi can, indeed, be beautiful fish. Young fish can be had quite inexpensively, especially before their pattern has stabilized. Koi should not be kept in an aquarium. They are pond fish, and can grow quite large. I've seen older koi in the 30-36" range. I do know some people who will house them indoors during the winter, depending on the severity of the local climate, in structures they have built that mimic the ponds outdoors. This means you need a relatively large, cool area available to do this. Like their cousins, they are "dirty" fish, in that they generate a lot of waste and ammonia, and this must be accounted for in the pond's or indoor housing's planning and building to ensure you have enough water flow and filtration. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elisabeth Agnello Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] does anyone have koi fish if anyone in this group have koi fish please email me at iwishiwassaracalloway@... and tell me about waht you have to do if you want to own this beauties of fish. tell if you can get them under 1,000 dollars Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16923	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > what are fiber glass vabs and what do u mean by > storage tanks, what is marine ply wood and > refrigarator liner > Cody: Fiberglass vats are square or retangular containers that can be used for a varity of uses whatever use you want them for.The ones i looked at held 200 gal. and up but were expensive.Storage vats are used to store aged water or rain water. Refridgerator liners were used by a lot of us old time breeders to store water they are the inside shell of fridges the old types were excellant for this purpose because they were enameled inside. All you did was plug up the bolt holes and you had 40-60 vat.And they were freeyou cant beat that price. Marine plywood is plywood with a stronger waterproof glue made for very damp cond.s Ive seen bullheads around 12 in., how big they can get i would have to check up on that. _________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16924	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

Thank you Steve! Yes, that's exactly what I meant-- Agway. Just couldn't think of the name of those farmers outlets at the moment. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16925	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher

how big is he.... ive had good luck with firemouths.... right now my 2 babys are in with baby firemouths and tigerbarbs.... the older ones i did have were in with 2 hujeta gars and 3 red jewel cichlids.... it was a good tank. only problem was that the gars liked to jump out and the rest of the fish didnt make the move.... i still havent pin pointed why... but nonethe less thats the advice i can give... good luck! Dragon Hunter <dragon.hunter@...> wrote: I have a bicher that I've had to seperate out. He's currently in a 10 for now while his new home is being prepared. (To good a fish to return, already very friendly towards me even if not to my gouramis in my 60). Was wondering what fish are safe with him and vice versa. Thanks in advance! -Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16926	From: cody adams	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: info on aquariums

wow i am not really trying to build nothing difficult because i am not exactly tim the tool man taylor --- hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, cody adams > <cornbread_05@...> > wrote: > > > > what are fiber glass vabs and what do u mean by > > storage tanks, what is marine ply wood and > > refrigarator liner > > > > Cody: > Fiberglass vats are square or retangular > containers that can be > used for a varity of uses whatever use you want them > for.The ones i > looked at held 200 gal. and up but were > expensive.Storage vats are > used to store aged water or rain water. > Refridgerator liners were used by a lot of us > old time > breeders to store water they are the inside shell of > fridges the old > types were excellant for this purpose because they > were enameled > inside. All you did was plug up the bolt holes and > you had 40-60 > vat.And they were freeyou cant beat that price. > Marine plywood is plywood with a stronger > waterproof glue > made for very damp cond.s > Ive seen bullheads around 12 in., how big > they can get i > would have to check up on that. > > > > > > > > > > _________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16927	From: anne carrera	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher

A lot of choices depends on the species of the bichir and how agressive it is -Anne Dragon Hunter <dragon.hunter@...> wrote: I have a bicher that I've had to seperate out. He's currently in a 10 for now while his new home is being prepared. (To good a fish to return, already very friendly towards me even if not to my gouramis in my 60). Was wondering what fish are safe with him and vice versa. Thanks in advance! -Steve Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16928	From: agentscullyeyore@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: question about flea bombs

Ok so I guess I need to bomb the house.. I did research and found out that I should do all the rooms cause the fleas will try and find the place that isn't done AKA my room with all the tanks and then ill have the problem I am trying to rid.. so I know I have heard about turning off the filter wrapping the tank in plastic wrap and covering with towels.. how long can I leave the fliter off in my tank... thanks Shannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16929	From: Emily Tenczar	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: a question out of curiousity

You have a tiger? Cool! My dad has always talked about getting a pet muskie. The hybrids are really beautiful too--I think they have the best of both species. How large is the fish and the tank? How many other fish? Is the gar much bigger? I've seen my share of ferocious muskies and northern pikes, and I can't imagine one "getting along" with another fish....especially anything with northern pike in its blood. Those things will eat anything! Emily On 4/30/06, sevenspringss@... <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Yes, Bass (Micropterus) are related to Cichlids, being in the same Order > (Percomorphi), even if somewhat distantly so. One problem with trying to > keep > them both together is their different temperature requirements. Then too, > various states have different laws pertaining to keeping gamefish, > especially > since there may be minimum size limits. You can occassionally get around > the > temperature thing by keeping it at a happy medium enjoyed by both > species. My > Tiger Muskellunge gets along great with my Alligator Gar and my M. > salmoides gets > along fine with the Apistogrammas. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16930	From: paul	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie

thanks for the info mate.... ill give it a try. Paul. chris topher <humbottom@...> wrote: spores might have come with the plants, palnted tanks often do well in keeping algae controlled, competition for nutrients and such... had problems with blue grean algae recently and it was suggested that i use peroxide to control it, worked like a charm... noticed hair algae in another tank, used the peroxide again with success, no harm came to the fish or plants... suggestion was 1oz per 10 gallons, i used about half that... woody --- paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: > Any ideas..? iv got this black hair type algie on my > rocks/pots etc... > This has only started since i started putting real > plans in. > Thanks. > paul.. > > > > test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Yahoo! Mail. Learn more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16931	From: hank voss	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: question about flea bombs

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, agentscullyeyore@... wrote: > > Ok so I guess I need to bomb the house... so I know I have heard about turning off the filter wrapping the > tank in plastic wrap and covering with towels.. how long can I leave the > fliter off in my tank... thanks Shannon > > ======================== Hi: Make sure the tanks are sealed air tight.If you have a canister filter you can leave it running since its a closed system The safest way is to remove everything on top of the tank and seal it with plastic and tape.If your tank is not over crowded you can leave the filter off for many days with no problems.Those bombs are quite toxic to fish. Good luck/ Hank > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16932	From: The Dragon Hunter	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Bicher

Welp, lessee, In the tank he's in now, he has taken out some platies and cherri barbs (no big since they were only there for my blue crayfish.) Odd thing is is in the 60, he would go after my gouramies and leave the neon tetras alone. He's about three and a half inches in length right now. He never killed any of the gouramies, but did manage to injure a full grown moonlight by grabbing it from the bottom. The moonlight has since fully recovered (just some bruising for a bit where the bicher's mouth was, but that has since gone away). -Steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16933	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Driftwood browned my water

I had some driftwood in my tank for quite some time...water was clear no problems. I took it out because my fish became very territorial with their hiding spaces and it became a highly aggressive tank. So now a year later I put the wood back in and set it up more carefully with regards to hiding spots. But now my water is brown. I didn't think the wood would leak after being in the tank for so long but I was very wrong. My question is will this brown get darker...should I remove the woods or if I don't mind the color is it safe to stay? It is rather ugly today, much darker than it was yesterday. Thank you much.... Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16934	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

If it is still leaching tannins (which it sounds like it is), yes, the water will get darker. You may need to accept a certain amount of this as long as you don't mind; it is safe. However, it will drop the pH into the acid range which, depending upon what species of fish you have, is usually not actually detrimental, but presents problems when you do water changes as the pH will then be "bounced" (which is not good for the fish). Try soaking the driftwood in a bucket or a utility sink in the laundry room for several weeks, changing out the water every few days. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16935	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Black Hair Algie

Just place your tank to a space with more natural light. Though 180G is pretty much hard to move. cheers paul whitby <paul633uk@...> wrote: Hello all. Over the past few weeks iv been putting plants into my 180G tank..but iv found some black "Hairs" growing on my pots/ rocks etc.!..Iv not seen this before until i started putting Real plants in.! Is this Black Hair ok.?? Thakns Paul. OH ps.. i feed my plants ever 2 weeks...lights are on 10hours a day.2x30 watt aqua glow..water change 10% per week with RO Water. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16936	From: Paolo Wilfred Payumo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish

This type of fish can't be placed on a tank. You have to purchased (or have one build) a pond. You can also mixed it with different goldfish types (even slower breeds). Just keep an eye when feeding them. cheers. Elisabeth Agnello <iwishiwassaracalloway@...> wrote: if anyone in this group have koi fish please email me at iwishiwassaracalloway@... and tell me about waht you have to do if you want to own this beauties of fish. tell if you can get them under 1,000 dollars Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16937	From: Trevor	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: does anyone have koi fish

If you have a big enough tank, you could keep them in it. :D A pond is the usual place to raise them, though. I have 2 juvenile koi in my pond that cost me about $3 each, so you can definitely get them for under $1,000. :D - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Paolo Wilfred Payumo <payumo_pwu@...> wrote: > > This type of fish can't be placed on a tank. You have to purchased (or have one build) a pond. You can also mixed it with different goldfish types (even slower breeds). Just keep an eye when feeding them. > > cheers. > > Elisabeth Agnello <iwishiwassaracalloway@...> wrote: > if anyone in this group have koi fish please email me at > iwishiwassaracalloway@... and tell me about waht you have to do > if you want to own this beauties of fish. tell if you can get them > under 1,000 dollars > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16938	From: Trevor	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters

I had a 150 gallon tank with similar fish for several years. I just used a single Rena Filstar XP3 canister filter, which you can get for around $95 - $99 at stores like http://drsfostersmith.com and http://www.bigalsonline.com I'm still using the same filter on my 80 gallon tank (which replaced the 150 gallon when it decided to spring a leak and cause a flood) now. - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, magdalena jones <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: > > Hi and thanks for your reply! I love this group. > > I have a pair of blood parrots and 5 other south american cichlids in a 55 gallon now and I'm upgrading to the bigger tank so I can let them grow and add more fish. > I just have hanging on the back filters now. I haven't found hanging filters strong enough for that large tank though, but I'm gonna look for those Aquaclear 500's you talked about. > > The filter on Ebay is stil there, do you that's a good one? > > thanks again for your quick respons > > Magdalena >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16939	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

Hi Ray, I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right now. I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a guess but of course can't be sure. So they are now all 3 soaking in a huge bucket in the middle of my kitchen. Is there any way to tell which one is oozing the tannins? I guess I could seperate each and see which water turns, but I don't have 3 buckets that size. Is there another way to tell? Thanks, Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood browned my water If it is still leaching tannins (which it sounds like it is), yes, the water will get darker. You may need to accept a certain amount of this as long as you don't mind; it is safe. However, it will drop the pH into the acid range which, depending upon what species of fish you have, is usually not actually detrimental, but presents problems when you do water changes as the pH will then be "bounced" (which is not good for the fish). Try soaking the driftwood in a bucket or a utility sink in the laundry room for several weeks, changing out the water every few days. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16940	From: Rob Zanussi	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

Well, I can give you one suggestion, leave one in the tank, one in the bucket and put one in ur bathtub. Surely a soaking overnite will reveal the culprit. Rob At 03:25 PM 5/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Ray, >I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right >now. >I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was >driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the >supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been >in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just >wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a >guess but of course can't be sure. So they are now all 3 soaking in a >huge bucket in the middle of my kitchen. >Is there any way to tell which one is oozing the tannins? I guess I >could seperate each and see which water turns, but I don't have 3 >buckets that size. Is there another way to tell? >Thanks, >Leslie >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16941	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right > now. > I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was > driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the > supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been > in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just > wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a > guess but of course can't be sure. ============================== You will have to one at a time to find out which one it is.Hot water speeds up the leaching process. Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis > t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United +ki > ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol > ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom& w6= > South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi > st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Unite d+k > ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania > San > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi > ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5= Uni > ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > francisco bay area United > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& > w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ing > dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom > South > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 > =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kin gdo > m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > _____ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16942	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

Hank... If I get a big pot of boiling water and submerge the wood, how long would it take for the water to brown if in fact the right wood is in there? L -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank voss Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right > now. > I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was > driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the > supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been > in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just > wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a > guess but of course can't be sure. ============================== You will have to one at a time to find out which one it is.Hot water speeds up the leaching process. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16943	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right > now. > I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was > driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the > supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been > in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just > wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a > guess but of course can't be sure. ============================== You will have to one at a time to find out which one it is.Hot water speeds up the leaching process. Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..>< ((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important > to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the > SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º ((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis > t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United +ki > ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol > ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom& w6= > South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi > st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Unite d+k > ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania > San > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi > ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5= Uni > ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > francisco bay area United > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& > w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ing > dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom > South > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 > =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kin gdo > m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > _____ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16944	From: magdalena jones	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: 150 gallon, what filters

thanks Trevor, I'll look in to those filter! Trevor <trevor@...> wrote: I had a 150 gallon tank with similar fish for several years. I just used a single Rena Filstar XP3 canister filter, which you can get for around $95 - $99 at stores like http://drsfostersmith.com and http://www.bigalsonline.com I'm still using the same filter on my 80 gallon tank (which replaced the 150 gallon when it decided to spring a leak and cause a flood) now. - Trevor --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, magdalena jones <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: > > Hi and thanks for your reply! I love this group. > > I have a pair of blood parrots and 5 other south american cichlids in a 55 gallon now and I'm upgrading to the bigger tank so I can let them grow and add more fish. > I just have hanging on the back filters now. I haven't found hanging filters strong enough for that large tank though, but I'm gonna look for those Aquaclear 500's you talked about. > > The filter on Ebay is stil there, do you that's a good one? > > thanks again for your quick respons > > Magdalena > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16945	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

I'm actually not asking how long as in a time but rather would that work at all? Duh....Sorry. Lots going on today...my mind is way too spread out! Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water Hank... If I get a big pot of boiling water and submerge the wood, how long would it take for the water to brown if in fact the right wood is in there? L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16946	From: wendie	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

You need to soak it in clean water for a couple of weeks. Change the water daily until it remains clear. Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water Hank... If I get a big pot of boiling water and submerge the wood, how long would it take for the water to brown if in fact the right wood is in there? L -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank voss Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right > now. > I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was > driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the > supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been > in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just > wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a > guess but of course can't be sure. ============================== You will have to one at a time to find out which one it is.Hot water speeds up the leaching process. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16947	From: hank voss	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I'm actually not asking how long as in a time but rather would that work > at all? Duh....Sorry. > Lots going on today...my mind is way too spread out! > Leslie ==================================== Leslie: Boiling water will speed up the leaching process even faster Hank > > > Hank... > If I get a big pot of boiling water and submerge the wood, how long > would it take for the water to brown if in fact the right wood is in > there? > L > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16948	From: wendie	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

Boiling will take care of any bacteria or fungus in the wood. Plain soaking for a couple of weeks will cut down on the staining of the water. Some wood will continue to stain the water regardless of what you do. What type of wood is it? Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:21 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water I'm actually not asking how long as in a time but rather would that work at all? Duh....Sorry. Lots going on today...my mind is way too spread out! Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:04 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Driftwood browned my water Hank... If I get a big pot of boiling water and submerge the wood, how long would it take for the water to brown if in fact the right wood is in there? L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16949	From: muskie4817	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Betta question

I currently own a 45 gallon tank with a few swordtails (1 male and 2 female plus a couple little ones), 2 dwarf male gouramis, 3 australian rainbows and 2 corys and a pleco. I was thinking of getting a male Betta but wanted to make sure it would be ok with this grouping.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16950	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

If the leaching of tannins is not very rapid, you can probably stay ahead of the curve by doing more frequent water changes. The tendency for any tank is to turn acidic as time goes on. Water changes is only one way of maintaining pH. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:25 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Driftwood browned my water Hi Ray, I took the wood out. I'm not willing to deal with pH problems right now. I figured out where I went wrong. When I acquired this tank there was driftwood in it already, had been for years. As I was taking the supplies that went with it, I snagged a piece of wood that had not been in there...so I am assuming that this piece is my tannin leaker. I just wish I knew which piece it was so I could add the other two. I have a guess but of course can't be sure. So they are now all 3 soaking in a huge bucket in the middle of my kitchen. Is there any way to tell which one is oozing the tannins? I guess I could seperate each and see which water turns, but I don't have 3 buckets that size. Is there another way to tell? Thanks, Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sevenspringss@... Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:09 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Driftwood browned my water If it is still leaching tannins (which it sounds like it is), yes, the water will get darker. You may need to accept a certain amount of this as long as you don't mind; it is safe. However, it will drop the pH into the acid range which, depending upon what species of fish you have, is usually not actually detrimental, but presents problems when you do water changes as the pH will then be "bounced" (which is not good for the fish). Try soaking the driftwood in a bucket or a utility sink in the laundry room for several weeks, changing out the water every few days. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16951	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

If you want to dry them for a day, the one with the tannins should be much darker in color (when not wet). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16952	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Driftwood browned my water

That's if they're all the same type of wood. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16953	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry hiding

Hello, I am still quite enchanted with my Utricularia. A specialist compared it with some pictures (which told nothing to me, they were all very similar) and then she came to the veredict: It may be Utricularia foliosa. Yes, I hope my Xiphophorus fry won´t get eaten (they are still larger than guppy fry). The guppy fry are in another tank. But what would be the lowest tolerable temperature for livebearer fry (those mentioned above)? best wishes, Thomas, Mundo Novo, Brazil. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote: > > Thomas, Yes, there have been reports documented to the effect that > Bladderwort can trap fish fry, especially the smaller egglayer fry. I > don't believe any of the 20 or so species of Utricularia are capable of > trapping most larger livebearer fry, especially the more popular (in > the trade) U. minor, which can only trap smaller fry of Betta size, but > some of the species growing larger utricles (catching bladders) may be > able to trap guppy fry. These may include U.neottiodes, U. stellaris > and U. flexuosa, all found in your area (Brazil). Ray > \

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16954	From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry...

Unless you are talking about wild specimens, I would not try to keep them below 72o F. (22o C); 70o F an absolute minimum. Many Xiphopherus are found in mountain streams, X.helleri (Swordtail) being one of them, and can tolerate 64o C (18o C). X. maculatus (Platy) is found in lowland streams -- 68o F being its low temperature limit. Wild Guppies can tolerate 60o F (15.5 o C). Tank raised and developed strains of all these fish are less tolerant of these low extremes and to attempt to try to keep them in these extreme conditions is only inviting disaster. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16955	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lowest temperature for livebearer fry: Utricularia as a fry...

OK, I should install a heater. I think these nights water temperatures may go down to 14 degrees Celsius or so (early in the morning). During the day it heats up to 23 degrees Celsius or so. So for, no disaster has happened but I´ll take care, installing a heater. Thanks! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, sevenspringss@... wrote: > > Unless you are talking about wild specimens, I would not try to keep them > below 72o F. (22o C); 70o F an absolute minimum. Many Xiphopherus are found in > mountain streams, X.helleri (Swordtail) being one of them, and can tolerate 64o > C (18o C). X. maculatus (Platy) is found in lowland streams -- 68o F being > its low temperature limit. Wild Guppies can tolerate 60o F (15.5 o C). Tank > raised and developed strains of all these fish are less tolerant of these low > extremes and to attempt to try to keep them in these extreme conditions is > only inviting disaster. Ray > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16956	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Artificial selection in Aquarium Habitats

Hello, Several of the postings and their answers already showed to me, the 40 years old biologist, who had an aquarium when he was a 14 to 19 years old teenager, several interesting topics from the point of view of biological science. What I would like to highlight and to debate is the question of "ARTIFICIAL SELECTION": Many guys start their aquarium as "naturalists", but the more I ponder about this hobby, the more I am getting a "artificialist". Several examples of artificial selection in species formerly from the wild, now in the aquarium, were already mentioned: Many aquarium fish specimen eat fish food flakes right from the first day, whereas individuals caught in the wild do not accept flakes so readily. Some species that occur in the wild in extreme water conditions, may get customized to normal, "hard" water (Wild guppies for instance are said to occur in very "soft", and slightly "acid" natural systems, whereas under aquarium conditions, they may reproduce also in "hard", slightly "alcaline" water) As it has been mentioned in the previous message, even the range of prefered temperatures is object of artificial selection, in the sense that many aquarium livebearers are more sensitive to cold temperatures than native livebearers are. "Artificial selection" is a major theme in biology, which helps to highlight, for instance, Fisher´s "Fundamental theoreme of natural selection". Hence, I wonder, has science already crossed this borderline to aquarium fish lovers, and are there any studies on "Artificial selection" with aquarium fish strains? Thanks very much for hints on this, best wishes, Thomas - Mundo Novo, MS, Brazil.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16957	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Wanted: killifish

Anyone have any killifish for sale they would be willing to ship to Colorado? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16958	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Wanted: killifish

Check with J.C. right now he is in the process of getting ready to move but you can email him at hillbillynursery@... Should be getting some from him this week and I live out here in OR. Shannon J29MM@... wrote: Anyone have any killifish for sale they would be willing to ship to Colorado? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16959	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Artificial selection in Aquarium Habitats

I don't know of any studies, as such, concerning "artificial selection" in aquarium fish. However, this type of thing also happens in the plant world--many of our garden plants are hybrids of one sort or another, much of the fruit and vegetables we eat are hybrids and selectively bred for yield, survivability of transport, etc. Some of it is well understood--limited number of genes governing limited traits, and some not so well understood--look at iris hybridizing--with multiple genes governing a trait, genes affecting more than one trait, etc. One of the big problems, not much talked about here or anywhere, is the lack of assurance that one has when purchasing fish that they are getting a pure-bred fish and not one that has the ancestry of another species in its past. This is one of the reasons why wild caught fish are highly prized, especially among advanced hobbyists. In your career as a biologist, you probably have better and more access to the journals than I, an ordinary hobbyist with a different career path, do. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Schlemmermeyer Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Artificial selection in Aquarium Habitats Hello, Several of the postings and their answers already showed to me, the 40 years old biologist, who had an aquarium when he was a 14 to 19 years old teenager, several interesting topics from the point of view of biological science. What I would like to highlight and to debate is the question of "ARTIFICIAL SELECTION": Many guys start their aquarium as "naturalists", but the more I ponder about this hobby, the more I am getting a "artificialist". Several examples of artificial selection in species formerly from the wild, now in the aquarium, were already mentioned: Many aquarium fish specimen eat fish food flakes right from the first day, whereas individuals caught in the wild do not accept flakes so readily. Some species that occur in the wild in extreme water conditions, may get customized to normal, "hard" water (Wild guppies for instance are said to occur in very "soft", and slightly "acid" natural systems, whereas under aquarium conditions, they may reproduce also in "hard", slightly "alcaline" water) As it has been mentioned in the previous message, even the range of prefered temperatures is object of artificial selection, in the sense that many aquarium livebearers are more sensitive to cold temperatures than native livebearers are. "Artificial selection" is a major theme in biology, which helps to highlight, for instance, Fisher´s "Fundamental theoreme of natural selection". Hence, I wonder, has science already crossed this borderline to aquarium fish lovers, and are there any studies on "Artificial selection" with aquarium fish strains? Thanks very much for hints on this, best wishes, Thomas - Mundo Novo, MS, Brazil.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16960	From: blackbimmer1972	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Stocking Ideas for 44 Gal Tank

Hey folks, I'm new to the group and excited about getting started with freshwater fishkeeping. I'm in the process of buying a 44 gallon pentagonal tank. This'll be my first aquarium, and I'd really appreciate some ideas about what kinds of fish to stock community-wise. Here are my parameters so far. I think I'd enjoy a male betta as kind of a "centerpiece fish," but is that really suitable for a community environment? Also, I think I'd like a few bigger fish as opposed to a lot of smaller fish. Finally of course, I'd like the whole look to be as pretty and colorful as possible. Not sure if I'll do any live plants at this point. With that in mind, I'd appreciate any and all suggestions you may be able to offer. Thanks in advance. - Chris

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16961	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: Stocking Ideas for 44 Gal Tank

Chris, Welcome to the list. I'd say that the first thing you should do, after reading this, is to go out and get yourself a good book. I'd recommend the Baensch Aquarium Atlas, Volume 1. This book will go through setting up a tank and give you some information on aspects of keeping fish. It has a decent plant section--should you decide to go that way, and it has fairly accurate fish descriptions along with their behaviors. Go through the fish section, once you have read the first part of the book about setting up the tank, and check out the fish. Make a note of those you've seen in the local fish stores, because you'll want to pay particular attention to those fish in the book. Then you can read about those you have an interest and see if they would make a good fit. You'll want to pay attention to temperature ranges, and get fish that have overlapping ranges. Pay attention to pH requirements, and look at fish within the same pH range. You'll probably come up with more than one list this way. Then go through the lists on their own and weed them down to fish you are truly interested in keeping. Once you have done this pick a list you like--then you'll probably have to cut it in have, at lest, so the fish will fit in your tank <g>. You'll probably want to stay away from some of those fish that are considered to be "beginner" fish as they are not really for beginners. While they may survive, to have them in tip top shape will take more knowledge and work than you have or are prepared to give, Mollies are a good example here. Also watch for fish that are labeled aggressive. They may only be aggressive in certain situations, or they could be just outright terrors. There are also fish that are not normally labeled as being aggressive, but they are. Gouramis come to mind here. Don't be afraid to ask questions here and elsewhere. You'll find that opinions and experiences vary. It is good that you are getting a mid-sized tank to start out. That tank will give you some room for error, and, believe me, you'll have some error. But people are here that can help. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of blackbimmer1972 Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Stocking Ideas for 44 Gal Tank Hey folks, I'm new to the group and excited about getting started with freshwater fishkeeping. I'm in the process of buying a 44 gallon pentagonal tank. This'll be my first aquarium, and I'd really appreciate some ideas about what kinds of fish to stock community-wise. Here are my parameters so far. I think I'd enjoy a male betta as kind of a "centerpiece fish," but is that really suitable for a community environment? Also, I think I'd like a few bigger fish as opposed to a lot of smaller fish. Finally of course, I'd like the whole look to be as pretty and colorful as possible. Not sure if I'll do any live plants at this point. With that in mind, I'd appreciate any and all suggestions you may be able to offer. Thanks in advance. - Chris

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16962	From: steve	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: microbubbles in tank

anyone know what to do about microbubbles in my tank i have a refugium setup under my 90 gallon tank with a protein skimmer in the refugium with 2 pumps 1 for the skimmer and 1 for return and on the skimmer pump i have 1/4 inch tube for the venturi off 1 of the 3 inputs to the pump i got the full setup from catalina aquariums sump/refugium setup that is here is the site to see the set up if anyone can help me out thanks http://www.catalinaaquarium.com/product_info.php? cPath=90&products_id=1315 thanks again steve

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16963	From: dragon6435@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: St. Louis members-Fish for sale

Anybody here in St. Louis that might be interested in a few discus? I'll be moving in about a month and I'm trying to pare back a little. I have a pair I want to keep but the rest could use some new homes. I also have quite a few livebearers (sword and platy varietals) too, if interested. Darned things breed better than rabbits. You can send off list if you're interested. I'm in the downtown area. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16964	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Eggs are covered in fungus!

My blood parrots again laid eggs all over a rock. I didn't take it out this time since I know they are infertile. But now two days later they are white clumps of fuzz and I KNOW that can hurt them...what do I do? I can't/don't want to treat the whole tank for fungus but I suppose I will if I must. PLEASE let me know quickly. Thanks! Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16965	From: hank voss	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Eggs are covered in fungus!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > My blood parrots again laid eggs all over a rock. I didn't take it out > this time since I know they are infertile. But now two days later they > are white clumps of fuzz and I KNOW that can hurt them...what do I do? ===================================== Leslie: The eggs have fungused and will dissapear eventually being consumed by the fungus,you dont have to worry its not transferable to the fish just unsightly. Hank > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16966	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Eggs are covered in fungus!

That is good to know. Thank you. =) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank voss Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:17 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Eggs are covered in fungus! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > My blood parrots again laid eggs all over a rock. I didn't take it out > this time since I know they are infertile. But now two days later they > are white clumps of fuzz and I KNOW that can hurt them...what do I do? ===================================== Leslie: The eggs have fungused and will dissapear eventually being consumed by the fungus,you dont have to worry its not transferable to the fish just unsightly. Hank > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16967	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Koi problem???

After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16968	From: Chris	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

How large is the tank, how many koi, how soon did it get cloudy and what type of filtration have you got? Chris. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, K <kbeck4@...> wrote: > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16969	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), what size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that tank, other than letting it sit? It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of being started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should be OK until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly quickly with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, which is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16970	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

29/30 gallon tank, 3, I think it was within a day or two (maybe three at most), just a regular filter for a tank. Chris wrote: > How large is the tank, how many koi, how soon did it get cloudy and > what type of filtration have you got? > > Chris. > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, K <kbeck4@...> wrote: > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three > Koi. > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and > then to > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with > Koi, is > > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy. > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> > Bucharest romania > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> > > San francisco bay area > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > United kingdom > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> > South africa > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16971	From: K	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets warm, which I cannot do. I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. Steve Szabo wrote: > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), what > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that tank, > other than letting it sit? > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > being > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should be OK > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > quickly > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, which > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy. > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> > Bucharest romania > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> > > San francisco bay area > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > United kingdom > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> > South africa > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "AquaticLife > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16972	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that yours are not quite that large. You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, producing a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a heavy load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take care of it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you search the archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen cycle. Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This could be due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My first hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- Koi.net. It is a start. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets warm, which I cannot do. I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. Steve Szabo wrote: > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), what > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that tank, > other than letting it sit? > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > being > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should be OK > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > quickly > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, which > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy. > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16973	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

Then probably small to very small. I just eyed them with a ruler and they look to be around 2 to 3 inches. I have added fish earlier than this before and had no problem, but like you just mention they are dirty fish... I did a water test just last night and everything is normal from what the test said. I haven't seen them lately, but the last time I saw my aunt and uncle koi they were quite happy. I am not sure what size they were when they put them in the tank... Steve Szabo wrote: > A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that > yours > are not quite that large. > > You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, > producing > a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a heavy > load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take care of > it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be > fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you > search the > archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen > cycle. > > Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This > could be > due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. > > You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My first > hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- Koi.net. It > is a start. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had > them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really > grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets > warm, which I cannot do. > > I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set > up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, > do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), > what > > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that tank, > > other than letting it sit? > > > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > > being > > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should be OK > > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > > quickly > > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, > which > > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of K > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is > > it my filter or is it something else? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16974	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

Last night I got a new filter, because we didn't think the other filter was working right. The water is clearing up. I may do a water change later today. Thanx Chris and Steve for the help. Quick questions, how often do you need to change the water with Koi. I have had other fish before and I changed the water every two to four weeks (mostly 4 weeks)? How hard are they to take care of? Because I am going to be leaving them with someone for a few months and want to make sure they will be ok.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16975	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

No test gives "normal" as a result. Other than litmus paper, a number is given. Those numbers are important. When you post to this list, or any other list, results from a test, you should give those numbers along with the test you have done. That way, those who are reading can give you advice, especially if there are a series of numbers from the same test taken at different times. The numbers can establish a trend, good or bad, that can then be addresses. A well cared for koi will reach in excess of 36". There are very few tanks available for fish of that size. If you can get back issues of "Aquarium Fish Magazine", look for issues with the columns and articles by Steve Meyer. That should give you a pretty good education about koi. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:03 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? Then probably small to very small. I just eyed them with a ruler and they look to be around 2 to 3 inches. I have added fish earlier than this before and had no problem, but like you just mention they are dirty fish... I did a water test just last night and everything is normal from what the test said. I haven't seen them lately, but the last time I saw my aunt and uncle koi they were quite happy. I am not sure what size they were when they put them in the tank... Steve Szabo wrote: > A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that > yours > are not quite that large. > > You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, > producing > a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a heavy > load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take care of > it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be > fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you > search the > archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen > cycle. > > Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This > could be > due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. > > You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My first > hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- Koi.net. It > is a start. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had > them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really > grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets > warm, which I cannot do. > > I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set > up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, > do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), > what > > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that tank, > > other than letting it sit? > > > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > > being > > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should be OK > > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > > quickly > > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, > which > > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of K > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and then to > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with Koi, is > > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16976	From: K	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

I wasn't saying the actual test said normal. I was saying the reading the tests gave were normal. It is a water stick test. I do not have the money to go out and get certain test or equipment, nor do I have the space. I live in an apartment, I am sure they would not be happy with setting up a pond on a deck. If I was on a ground floor with access to the outdoors, they may think/say something else. Even though I wouldn't want to put the fish outdoors at an apartment, who knows what they put in the grass and/or plants. Also, more of a chance probably of someone stealing the fish or doing something to them. If the fish get too big for the tank, I will deal with that when it comes. Who knows maybe I will have a house then, which would be nice. Steve Szabo wrote: > No test gives "normal" as a result. Other than litmus paper, a number is > given. Those numbers are important. When you post to this list, or any > other > list, results from a test, you should give those numbers along with > the test > you have done. That way, those who are reading can give you advice, > especially if there are a series of numbers from the same test taken at > different times. The numbers can establish a trend, good or bad, that can > then be addresses. > > A well cared for koi will reach in excess of 36". There are very few tanks > available for fish of that size. If you can get back issues of "Aquarium > Fish Magazine", look for issues with the columns and articles by Steve > Meyer. That should give you a pretty good education about koi. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > Then probably small to very small. I just eyed them with a ruler and > they look to be around 2 to 3 inches. > > I have added fish earlier than this before and had no problem, but like > you just mention they are dirty fish... I did a water test just last > night and everything is normal from what the test said. > > I haven't seen them lately, but the last time I saw my aunt and uncle > koi they were quite happy. I am not sure what size they were when they > put them in the tank... > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that > > yours > > are not quite that large. > > > > You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, > > producing > > a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a > heavy > > load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take > care of > > it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be > > fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you > > search the > > archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen > > cycle. > > > > Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This > > could be > > due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. > > > > You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My > first > > hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- > Koi.net. It > > is a start. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of K > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had > > them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really > > grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets > > warm, which I cannot do. > > > > I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set > > up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, > > do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), > > what > > > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that > tank, > > > other than letting it sit? > > > > > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > > > being > > > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should > be OK > > > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > > > quickly > > > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, > > which > > > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of K > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and > then to > > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with > Koi, is > > > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > > > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy. > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT > important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message > MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Marine biologist > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> > Biology > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> > Bucharest romania > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> > > San francisco bay area > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> > United kingdom > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> > South africa > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16977	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

I just went online looking for test kits, and one of the best will set me back less than $40 and includes: # Ammonia Test (salicylate), Freshwater # Ammonia Test (salicylate), Saltwater # Nitrite # Low Range Nitrate # Low Range pH - measures 5.5-7.5 # High Range pH (freshwater only) measures 6.5-9.5 --> # High Range (Marine & Fresh) pH measures 7.8-8.6 Even taking into account the replacement reagents, that is only a bit more expensive than the strips I saw online, and for some tests, less expensive. I like the AquaTru by Kordon (the one above, because of the vials that they have, makes the color matching incredibly easy. You can find other test kit combos for less. Good strips are that--good, but they test for a very limited range. I have used strips in the past, and would use them in the field, but for home use, I'd go with a high quality reagent test kit over the same strip. If you want to save money, look into making your own food for your fish. Don't skimp on test kits, water conditioners, heaters (not applicable with your koi), and filtration. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:10 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? I wasn't saying the actual test said normal. I was saying the reading the tests gave were normal. It is a water stick test. I do not have the money to go out and get certain test or equipment, nor do I have the space. I live in an apartment, I am sure they would not be happy with setting up a pond on a deck. If I was on a ground floor with access to the outdoors, they may think/say something else. Even though I wouldn't want to put the fish outdoors at an apartment, who knows what they put in the grass and/or plants. Also, more of a chance probably of someone stealing the fish or doing something to them. If the fish get too big for the tank, I will deal with that when it comes. Who knows maybe I will have a house then, which would be nice. Steve Szabo wrote: > No test gives "normal" as a result. Other than litmus paper, a number is > given. Those numbers are important. When you post to this list, or any > other > list, results from a test, you should give those numbers along with > the test > you have done. That way, those who are reading can give you advice, > especially if there are a series of numbers from the same test taken at > different times. The numbers can establish a trend, good or bad, that can > then be addresses. > > A well cared for koi will reach in excess of 36". There are very few tanks > available for fish of that size. If you can get back issues of "Aquarium > Fish Magazine", look for issues with the columns and articles by Steve > Meyer. That should give you a pretty good education about koi. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > Then probably small to very small. I just eyed them with a ruler and > they look to be around 2 to 3 inches. > > I have added fish earlier than this before and had no problem, but like > you just mention they are dirty fish... I did a water test just last > night and everything is normal from what the test said. > > I haven't seen them lately, but the last time I saw my aunt and uncle > koi they were quite happy. I am not sure what size they were when they > put them in the tank... > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that > > yours > > are not quite that large. > > > > You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, > > producing > > a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a > heavy > > load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take > care of > > it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be > > fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you > > search the > > archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen > > cycle. > > > > Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This > > could be > > due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. > > > > You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My > first > > hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- > Koi.net. It > > is a start. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of K > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they have had > > them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really > > grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets > > warm, which I cannot do. > > > > I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank was set > > up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I guess, > > do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), > > what > > > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that > tank, > > > other than letting it sit? > > > > > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several weeks of > > > being > > > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should > be OK > > > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > > > quickly > > > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, > > which > > > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of K > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added three Koi. > > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and > then to > > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with > Koi, is > > > it my filter or is it something else? My aunt and uncle have Koi and > > > their tank is clear and I do not remember it ever getting cloudy.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16978	From: K	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Koi problem???

I didn't pick up the test I have, someone else did. I usually do not use them at all. I can look into that test you mention, but it sound to high price for me right now. Steve Szabo wrote: > I just went online looking for test kits, and one of the best will set me > back less than $40 and includes: > # Ammonia Test (salicylate), Freshwater > # Ammonia Test (salicylate), Saltwater > # Nitrite > # Low Range Nitrate > # Low Range pH - measures 5.5-7.5 > # High Range pH (freshwater only) measures 6.5-9.5 --> > # High Range (Marine & Fresh) pH measures 7.8-8.6 > > Even taking into account the replacement reagents, that is only a bit more > expensive than the strips I saw online, and for some tests, less > expensive. > I like the AquaTru by Kordon (the one above, because of the vials that > they > have, makes the color matching incredibly easy. You can find other > test kit > combos for less. Good strips are that--good, but they test for a very > limited range. I have used strips in the past, and would use them in the > field, but for home use, I'd go with a high quality reagent test kit over > the same strip. > > If you want to save money, look into making your own food for your fish. > Don't skimp on test kits, water conditioners, heaters (not applicable with > your koi), and filtration. > > \\Steve// > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of K > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:10 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > I wasn't saying the actual test said normal. I was saying the reading > the tests gave were normal. It is a water stick test. > > I do not have the money to go out and get certain test or equipment, nor > do I have the space. I live in an apartment, I am sure they would not be > happy with setting up a pond on a deck. If I was on a ground floor with > access to the outdoors, they may think/say something else. Even though I > wouldn't want to put the fish outdoors at an apartment, who knows what > they put in the grass and/or plants. Also, more of a chance probably of > someone stealing the fish or doing something to them. > > If the fish get too big for the tank, I will deal with that when it > comes. Who knows maybe I will have a house then, which would be nice. > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > No test gives "normal" as a result. Other than litmus paper, a number is > > given. Those numbers are important. When you post to this list, or any > > other > > list, results from a test, you should give those numbers along with > > the test > > you have done. That way, those who are reading can give you advice, > > especially if there are a series of numbers from the same test taken at > > different times. The numbers can establish a trend, good or bad, > that can > > then be addresses. > > > > A well cared for koi will reach in excess of 36". There are very few > tanks > > available for fish of that size. If you can get back issues of "Aquarium > > Fish Magazine", look for issues with the columns and articles by Steve > > Meyer. That should give you a pretty good education about koi. > > > > \\Steve// > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of K > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:03 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > Then probably small to very small. I just eyed them with a ruler and > > they look to be around 2 to 3 inches. > > > > I have added fish earlier than this before and had no problem, but like > > you just mention they are dirty fish... I did a water test just last > > night and everything is normal from what the test said. > > > > I haven't seen them lately, but the last time I saw my aunt and uncle > > koi they were quite happy. I am not sure what size they were when they > > put them in the tank... > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > A medium koi, to me, would be on about 12-15" long. I am thinking that > > > yours > > > are not quite that large. > > > > > > You are experiencing a bacterial bloom now. Koi are "dirty" fish, > > > producing > > > a lot of ammonia and solid wastes. All of a sudden, you have added a > > heavy > > > load to your tank. Bacteria are now multiplying like crazy to take > > care of > > > it. If you were to measure your ammonia, you'll probably find it to be > > > fairly high right now. It takes 6-8 weeks to cycle a tank. If you > > > search the > > > archives, you will find a lot of information hear about the nitrogen > > > cycle. > > > > > > Your aunt and uncle's fish are not showing typical koi growth. This > > > could be > > > due to several factors, but they are likely not very happy fish. > > > > > > You might wish to do a search on koi to gather more information. My > > first > > > hit on Google was this site --http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/ -- > > Koi.net. It > > > is a start. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of K > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:11 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > > > Like I mention my aunt and uncle have koi (three also) and they > have had > > > them in a tank (smaller than mine) for years and they haven't really > > > grown that much. They tend to put them in a pond when the weather gets > > > warm, which I cannot do. > > > > > > I do not think I have ever did a nitrogen cycle ever... The tank > was set > > > up for a few days before I added the fish. They are medium size I > guess, > > > do not ask me what they are in inches, because I do not know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Szabo wrote: > > > > In addition to what Chris asks (and I know that you said three koi), > > > what > > > > size are they? What did you do to start the nitrogen cycle in that > > tank, > > > > other than letting it sit? > > > > > > > > It is not unusual for a new tank to get cloudy within several > weeks of > > > > being > > > > started and adding fish. Once you get past this point, you should > > be OK > > > > until the fish grow too large for the tank, which will happen fairly > > > > quickly > > > > with koi, if they are properly maintained. Koi will grow very large, > > > which > > > > is why they are kept in ponds rather than tanks. > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of K > > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Koi problem??? > > > > > > > > After I set up the tank and let it run for a while, I added > three Koi. > > > > Not long after I got the Koi the tank started getting cloudy and > > then to > > > > very cloudy. I never had Koi before, is this problem normal with > > Koi, is > > > > it my filter or is it something else? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16979	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: 50 gal bow front value question

I'm about to go look at a 50 gal. bow front w/ stand. It has under gravel filter and a penguin HOB along w/ gravel. He's asking $125. He said the hood is cracked at the hinges and needs new glass but it does have the light. Otherwise in great shape. Assuming it is in great shape...is this a good deal? I know that sounds indecisive but something is unsettling. I think I hate not have an intact hood. So with that in consideration, is it a good deal despite the broken hood? I have just had such headaches with the 75 gal hood being broken. They aren't easy to replace without dropping $100 which defeats the purpose of buying used in my opinion. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16980	From: humbottom	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: fish...of course

is it possible to order fish online... specifically i am looking for brichardi and lelupi... cant seem to find them locally thnx... woody

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16981	From: cciglan	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish?

Hello, Hello! I have been scouring the net for hours and just found your group:YAHOO!! I really mean it! YAHOO!! I hope someone can answer my question re: 2 firebellied toads in a 5 and one half gallon (tallish) tank with one (biggish) goldfish. I plan to use undergravel filtration PLUS compact 3in1 internal filtration contraption (biological, chemical, mechanical thingie. Both the fish and the toads like life a bit on the cool side. The toads are excellent climbers, and i can silicone branches in place with live vining plants wrapped around them: pretty creative when it comes to using available space WELL. My only concern is regards the toxicity of the toads: I have had this goldfish for years now and would prefer NOT to kill the poor thing. I am willing to do weekly (partial but big) water changes. Let's say: one third of the tank is water (plaudarium-style with islands for the toads) and the remainder is more 'arboreal" with vineing plants and cork-wood branches aplenty. Can it work?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16982	From: cciglan	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Further to: Fire bellied toads and golfish question...

Or, alternatively: i also have a banjo-headed catfish which i could put with the toads instead of the goldfish. It appears these fish actually prefer cooler waters as compared with cory's and loaches (room temp). Would this be a better or worse fit? Any and all suggestions gratefully received. I have faith in you lot!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16983	From: steve	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: 50 gal bow front value question

Sounds to me like you'd be spending at leat $300.00 for that kind of setup if you bought new. I'm not sure where anybody would have to spend $100.00 for a hood at though. When mine break, I get some sheet glass cut at the hardware store, and order in... maybe ten dollars in plastic parts from the pet store if necessary. Maybe you're talking about those huge wood or plastic things they put on top of some aquariums to hide the lights and such. I think those are crap to begin with, but to each his own.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16984	From: angaturama07	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: 50 gal bow front value question

I'd say it is a good deal. I just bought myself a (new) 46 gal bowfront and lid. The tank was on sale for $120, the glass hinged hood was $45, and i spent $20 on gravel. I had a filter waiting that a friend of mine had given me as a gift, but it would have cost me another $40 if I'd had to buy it. You oughta consider taking the deal if you have the money, and replace the lid if you need to. With all of that equipment in the deal, it is pretty good! --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I'm about to go look at a 50 gal. bow front w/ stand. It has under > gravel filter and a penguin HOB along w/ gravel. > He's asking $125. He said the hood is cracked at the hinges and needs > new glass but it does have the light. Otherwise in great shape. > > Assuming it is in great shape...is this a good deal? > I know that sounds indecisive but something is unsettling. I think I > hate not have an intact hood. So with that in consideration, is it a > good deal despite the broken hood? > I have just had such headaches with the 75 gal hood being broken. They > aren't easy to replace without dropping $100 which defeats the purpose > of buying used in my opinion. > > Thanks, > Leslie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16985	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: fish...of course

Yes, I just bought some on ebay last night. I have also bought them on Aquabid.com www.neptuneaquatics.com may have both of those. Mike -----Original Message----- From: humbottom <humbottom@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:24:17 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] fish...of course is it possible to order fish online... specifically i am looking for brichardi and lelupi... cant seem to find them locally thnx... woody Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16986	From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to AquaticLife

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16987	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: right dimension tank for cichlids

can anybody help me . what tank is better for cichlids such as central and south american cichlids. i know tall are for good for like discus fish and angel fish i think but what about long tanks and wide tanks and of squared tanks what dimensions is better for cichlids such as jacks , juagars, green terrors, and red devils,

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16988	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: right dimension tank for cichlids

can anybody help me . what tank is better for cichlids such as central and south american cichlids. i know tall are for good for like discus fish and angel fish i think but what about long tanks and wide tanks and of squared tanks what dimensions is better for cichlids such as jacks , juagars, green terrors, and red devils,

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16989	From: cody adams	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: employment in the aquatic world

I am 24 years olds , am i really into fish , i like raising them, breeding them , and watching them. I am also into to other aquatic species of animal I am really trying to get into an occupations thats related to the these interests, That i can make a living off of, does anybody out there have any suggestions, about any jobs related to what i like to do , even if it reguires going to college for.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16990	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

I don't know anything about the toads, but the goldfish certainly needs a tank larger than a 5.5 gallon tank. An adult goldfish requires a 29-30 gallon tank for itself. If you want to do a paludarium type tank, you'll need at least a 55, and possible larger, to support the one goldfish. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cciglan Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:36 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Hello, Hello! I have been scouring the net for hours and just found your group:YAHOO!! I really mean it! YAHOO!! I hope someone can answer my question re: 2 firebellied toads in a 5 and one half gallon (tallish) tank with one (biggish) goldfish. I plan to use undergravel filtration PLUS compact 3in1 internal filtration contraption (biological, chemical, mechanical thingie. Both the fish and the toads like life a bit on the cool side. The toads are excellent climbers, and i can silicone branches in place with live vining plants wrapped around them: pretty creative when it comes to using available space WELL. My only concern is regards the toxicity of the toads: I have had this goldfish for years now and would prefer NOT to kill the poor thing. I am willing to do weekly (partial but big) water changes. Let's say: one third of the tank is water (plaudarium-style with islands for the toads) and the remainder is more 'arboreal" with vineing plants and cork-wood branches aplenty. Can it work?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16991	From: hank voss	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > can anybody help me . what tank is better for cichlids such as central > and south american cichlids. i know tall are for good for like discus > fish and angel fish i think but what about long tanks and wide tanks > and of squared tanks what dimensions is better for cichlids such as > jacks , juagars, green terrors, and red devils, > ================== Cody: With the fish you state you will need tanks with as much surface area as possible that is "BIG BIG TANKS". Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16992	From: Thomas Schlemmermeyer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids

I remember having read a book particularly on the rearing of Apistogramma (a South-American genus of very small cichlids). If you put enough hiding places under rocks, stones etc., and if you put the rocks, stones etc. in the tank in a way that the rocks don´t destroy the tank, well then a 10 Gallons tank may do for these "Mini-cichlids". Thomas --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > can anybody help me . what tank is better for cichlids such as central > and south american cichlids. i know tall are for good for like discus > fish and angel fish i think but what about long tanks and wide tanks > and of squared tanks what dimensions is better for cichlids such as > jacks , juagars, green terrors, and red devils, >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16993	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: right dimension tank for cichlids

Log on to www.cichlid-forum.com <http://www.cichlid-forum.com/> and check out Library, Quick Reference, Cookie Cutter Set-ups for 10 gallon aquariums. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Schlemmermeyer Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:25 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: right dimension tank for cichlids I remember having read a book particularly on the rearing of Apistogramma (a South-American genus of very small cichlids). If you put enough hiding places under rocks, stones etc., and if you put the rocks, stones etc. in the tank in a way that the rocks don´t destroy the tank, well then a 10 Gallons tank may do for these "Mini-cichlids". Thomas --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cody adams" <cornbread_05@...> wrote: > > can anybody help me . what tank is better for cichlids such as central > and south american cichlids. i know tall are for good for like discus > fish and angel fish i think but what about long tanks and wide tanks > and of squared tanks what dimensions is better for cichlids such as > jacks , juagars, green terrors, and red devils, > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16994	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: 3 in 1 Lighting question

I want a new 3 in 1 light for this bow front I just purchased. It will house angels other compatible community fish. I can't seem to find a decent "deal" on any of them that don't have several spots of poor feedback or red flags. I'm hoping someone here can point me to a reputable person or online store to where I can purchase one from. Also, should I be looking for any specific type of daylight bulbs? I won't be planting any live plants in here. I just want what's best for the fish. One more thought: Does anyone know where there is a volume calculator for bow front aquariums? Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16995	From: cody adams	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: question

what are sump tanks and what are the used for

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16996	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: question

When used, they are generally found in marine setups. They serve as a reservoir of water along with, but not always, some extra filtration. An outgrowth of this is the refugarium, to which plants and animals have been added which serve specific purposes in conditioning water--the plants taking up nitrates and producing oxygen, Animals to do various tasks. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody adams Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:49 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] question what are sump tanks and what are the used for Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16997	From: KttmfC	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Angelfish question...

I had a Discus and a Kris die on me about a month ago i believe due to holen in the head.... they got white between the eyes then pop eye then death...... well knowing this now my angel seems to have small tumors on its upper and bottom lips in the left side... almost like little bumps at the tips. Does anyone know what may have caused this since im trying to rule out hole in the head for this beauty.... thanks Kris

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16998	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.

Hi all! I just got my 150 gallon tank and it's just beautiful. I have some questions though. It has been used as a salt water tank and has some salt remains inside. What should I clean it with? I will have South American cichlids in it. Will any marine salt remains hurt the fish? Also, I'm shopping around for a hose to fill up water with, what material should I look for? I've heard before that rubber is the best but when I looked at the warnings on them it said they might contain led. Any ideas what to look for? One last question, when I've looked for gravel options for cichlids, a lot of people recomend layers of bigger gravel, regular gravel and even sand. What are your experiances? The fish are such diggers and re- decoraters so I can't see how layers of different gravel would work. Thanks for bearing with all my questions and have a wonderful day!! Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 16999	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.

If it were African cichlids, I'd say not to worry. However, if you are going to be keeping South Americans that are partial to soft acidic waters (not all are), then use water and elbow grease to remove the salt. You will probably need to do it several times. An alternate means would be to fill it up with water, let it sit for a few days and check the water for pH and hardness, then compare against your normal water supply. There may not be enough slat in there to make it worthwhile to try and remove it. If the difference is not much or less, empty the tank and set it up. If there is a big difference, empty the tank and dry it out with absorbent material--towels or paper towels. This will get the salt that is now in suspension, and drying the tank manually, rather than air drying, will help to remove some of the salt still adhered to the tank glass. Then repeat as needed. As for a hose, look for one labeled to be used for potable water. You may need to look at a place that sells supplies for RV use. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eandtuta1924 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:49 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about my new 150 gallon tank. Hi all! I just got my 150 gallon tank and it's just beautiful. I have some questions though. It has been used as a salt water tank and has some salt remains inside. What should I clean it with? I will have South American cichlids in it. Will any marine salt remains hurt the fish? Also, I'm shopping around for a hose to fill up water with, what material should I look for? I've heard before that rubber is the best but when I looked at the warnings on them it said they might contain led. Any ideas what to look for? One last question, when I've looked for gravel options for cichlids, a lot of people recomend layers of bigger gravel, regular gravel and even sand. What are your experiances? The fish are such diggers and re- decoraters so I can't see how layers of different gravel would work. Thanks for bearing with all my questions and have a wonderful day!! Magdalena Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17000	From: 42	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.

Vinigar is safe to clean tanks with... People actually add a little salt to fresh water for stress... A little salt never hurt... Wal-Mart sells hoses that are a siphon and fill combo for like $25... Use gravel that is not small enough to get lodged in their mouths... They can choke eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: Hi all! I just got my 150 gallon tank and it's just beautiful. I have some questions though. It has been used as a salt water tank and has some salt remains inside. What should I clean it with? I will have South American cichlids in it. Will any marine salt remains hurt the fish? Also, I'm shopping around for a hose to fill up water with, what material should I look for? I've heard before that rubber is the best but when I looked at the warnings on them it said they might contain led. Any ideas what to look for? One last question, when I've looked for gravel options for cichlids, a lot of people recomend layers of bigger gravel, regular gravel and even sand. What are your experiances? The fish are such diggers and re- decoraters so I can't see how layers of different gravel would work. Thanks for bearing with all my questions and have a wonderful day!! Magdalena Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17001	From: 42	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: question

A sump is a type of small habitat for benificial bacteria to grow to filter saltwater tanks... Can be made out of a 10 gallon aquarium or as large as a metal horse water trouth... They contain things like live sand and live rock... Some people would rather have the live rock in a sump rather than a tank when running fish only and need the extra filtration along with the rock in their tank for a reef being inverts are very sensitive to water quality... cody adams <cornbread_05@...> wrote: what are sump tanks and what are the used for Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Fresh, Brackish And Saltwater Aquariums --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17002	From: Evita	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Question about my new 150 gallon tank.

Magdalena, I just wanted to say congrads on the new tank. I am going this morning to get my new used 55 gal tank this morning myself. It is the largest I have ever had. I can't imagine a 155 gal. I can't wait to see some photos. Evita --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17003	From: bigter4	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Just a sad story for all to read and learn from

Hi Shannon, Soory it took so long for me to get back to you My daughter was just born, so i have been really busy. Well, the cloud eye is gone and a few survived. After a few weeks I got some new fish and all seems better. I was just so horrible to watch happen - Terry > > that is indeed horrific I fear that something like that will happen when I > go away on my long trips... I try and educated my mom who watches my tank for > me but in general she just doesn't have the best sight and has so much to do > rather than gaze over my tank for hours a day... but she has got better and > such and im lucky to have someone period but im thinking I need to create a > symptom list for her to watch out for now.. Shannon > > Hello All, we here is my story. just before last wknd I wsas watching > my fish and i noticed something. ( now this is an established, not > overstcked tank with all levels perfect) i looked at my one Bala shark > and he had a cloudy eye. I thought this was strange and was not sure > what it was. I went to research this to see if he was sick or perhaps > after 3 or more yrs the eyes get like this. ( bala man was about 3 yrs > old) The next day the other shark had it as well. Weh I cam home from > work with the answer... POPEYE.. It was too late. Both sharks were > dead. I did the water change, and medicated the tank. that night 3 > others dided and the next day evetone was dead except 3 fish. So far > the tank is doing better but i lost almost everyone. This is just a > lesson to payu attn too . I have never had any issues in this tank > bedsides ICk a few yrs back. No one new was added and I have done > nothing different. I guess im just trying to say is pay attn. Maybe if > i noticed this eye the day before my tank would still be alive. - Terry > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17004	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Odd swimming betta

My son has this betta that has gone through hell and back. He is the one that had the fungus coming out of his gills. Before we cured of that ailment, he had previously aquired horrible popeye. He's come through all his trials but after his last battle he just sits on the bottom of the tank. Only coming up when he eats or needs to take a breath. He absolutely never swims around anymore and he is so so so skinny, almost paper thin. When he does swim to the top, it is a SAD sight as he is struggling so hard. WHAT could this be and is it treatable? Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17005	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Rocks & pH

Do river rocks change a pH level? Driftwood softens and I think I remember that certain rocks hardens. I ask because the driftwood softened my tank down to 6.5 and my fish didn't take to it well. Now I have buffered it back to 7.0 (which is our tap condition as well) but I know they could stand it another tenth or so higher. ~Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17006	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

Thanks, Steve. I already gave up on the idea. Goldfish is not as big as you appear to think: he is blissfully happy all alone in the 5.5 tank. the toads have a 10 gallon all to themselves. I kicked them outside on my balcony: the tank is actually heated at one end (I live in Calgary, Alberta and it is entirely normal to still get snow here); they have live plants in there and almost a foot of spaghnum moss (with a layer of coconut bark below and gravel below that) to play and burrow in plus a sizable swimming pool and... My animals live WAY better than I do.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17007	From: steve	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: my red line shark or rose line shark or puntius denisonii

or whatever you want to call it i found it at a pet supplies plus for only 15.99 WOW i never seen them that cheap actually i got 2 of them but 1 died on the way home good thing for pet supplies plus has a 7 day warranty on their fish but hell i haven t seen them at any other fish stores for less then 40 bucks and as much as 60 bucks i will post of pic of him in the pics department

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17008	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

Goldfish have a tendency to grow. I do not know what type you have, but the comets and the like (normal fish shaped body) will grow to at least twelve inches. The types with a more compressed body that is ball shaped will still equal that length in body mass. The recommendation for an adult fish is 30 gallons per fish. As your goldfish grows, you will need to increase the size of the tank to accommodate the increase in size and the increase of waste production by the fish. Did I mention that goldfish are "dirty" fish, creating a lot of waste and ammonia for the filters to take care of? With any goldfish of more than an inch or so, you should be doing daily water changes in the 5.5 gallon tank to help accommodate the wastes produced. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Thanks, Steve. I already gave up on the idea. Goldfish is not as big as you appear to think: he is blissfully happy all alone in the 5.5 tank. the toads have a 10 gallon all to themselves. I kicked them outside on my balcony: the tank is actually heated at one end (I live in Calgary, Alberta and it is entirely normal to still get snow here); they have live plants in there and almost a foot of spaghnum moss (with a layer of coconut bark below and gravel below that) to play and burrow in plus a sizable swimming pool and... My animals live WAY better than I do.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17009	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

Hello Steve, I know these goldfish are incredibly "poopy". Holy, moly, this fish's accomodations are going to be larger than my own in "Apartment-Land" (my native habitat). I will need to rent a separate studio for him. He is tough as nails, and of the "ball-shaped' variety. I have had him for 3 years; how long do these fish live??? Thanks, Christa --- Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Goldfish have a tendency to grow. I do not know what type you have, but the comets and the like (normal fish shaped body) will grow to at least twelve inches. The types with a more compressed body that is ball shaped will still equal that length in body mass. The recommendation for an adult fish is 30 gallons per fish. As your goldfish grows, you will need to increase the size of the tank to accommodate the increase in size and the increase of waste production by the fish. Did I mention that goldfish are "dirty" fish, creating a lot of waste and ammonia for the filters to take care of? With any goldfish of more than an inch or so, you should be doing daily water changes in the 5.5 gallon tank to help accommodate the wastes produced. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Thanks, Steve. I already gave up on the idea. Goldfish is not as big as you appear to think: he is blissfully happy all alone in the 5.5 tank. the toads have a 10 gallon all to themselves. I kicked them outside on my balcony: the tank is actually heated at one end (I live in Calgary, Alberta and it is entirely normal to still get snow here); they have live plants in there and almost a foot of spaghnum moss (with a layer of coconut bark below and gravel below that) to play and burrow in plus a sizable swimming pool and... My animals live WAY better than I do. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17010	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

With proper care, upwards of 20-25 years or longer. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:05 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Hello Steve, I know these goldfish are incredibly "poopy". Holy, moly, this fish's accomodations are going to be larger than my own in "Apartment-Land" (my native habitat). I will need to rent a separate studio for him. He is tough as nails, and of the "ball-shaped' variety. I have had him for 3 years; how long do these fish live??? Thanks, Christa --- Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Goldfish have a tendency to grow. I do not know what type you have, but the comets and the like (normal fish shaped body) will grow to at least twelve inches. The types with a more compressed body that is ball shaped will still equal that length in body mass. The recommendation for an adult fish is 30 gallons per fish. As your goldfish grows, you will need to increase the size of the tank to accommodate the increase in size and the increase of waste production by the fish. Did I mention that goldfish are "dirty" fish, creating a lot of waste and ammonia for the filters to take care of? With any goldfish of more than an inch or so, you should be doing daily water changes in the 5.5 gallon tank to help accommodate the wastes produced. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Thanks, Steve. I already gave up on the idea. Goldfish is not as big as you appear to think: he is blissfully happy all alone in the 5.5 tank. the toads have a 10 gallon all to themselves. I kicked them outside on my balcony: the tank is actually heated at one end (I live in Calgary, Alberta and it is entirely normal to still get snow here); they have live plants in there and almost a foot of spaghnum moss (with a layer of coconut bark below and gravel below that) to play and burrow in plus a sizable swimming pool and... My animals live WAY better than I do. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17011	From: Beth Brownell	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: How long does Angelfishes live for?

I have six Angelfishes living in my 55 gallon tank and another seven living in my 30 gallon tank. I had two Angelfishes die one of a breathing problem, had to mercy kill him and another die in an ornament got stuck in it. But how long do they live for? Thanks, Beth Brownell Camdenton, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17012	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: How long does Angelfishes live for?

I can't locate my reference right now (someone decided that the house needs a makeover and moved a bunch of my fish books to who knows where), but 10-12 years sticks in my mind. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Brownell Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:58 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How long does Angelfishes live for? I have six Angelfishes living in my 55 gallon tank and another seven living in my 30 gallon tank. I had two Angelfishes die one of a breathing problem, had to mercy kill him and another die in an ornament got stuck in it. But how long do they live for? Thanks, Beth Brownell Camdenton, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17013	From: jim	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: 3 in 1 Lighting question

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I want a new 3 in 1 light for this bow front I just purchased. It will house angels other compatible community fish. > I can't seem to find a decent "deal" on any of them > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a reputable person or online store to where I can purchase one > Also, should I be looking for any specific type of daylight bulbs? I won't be planting any live plants in here. I just want what's best for the fish. > One more thought: Does anyone know where there is a volume calculator for bow front aquariums? > Thanks, > Leslie --- be more specific,,3-in-1 light? just what is on your mind? --- for a fish only tank , almost any lamp would do as long as you can see the fish --- "bigalsonline" e-store has some good prices,, you have to pay shipping though --- any LFS in your area dealing used equipment? replace the bulb and you are good as new ,,,,,,,,,,,,,regards,,,Jim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17014	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfis

Thanks again Steve, I am utterly AMAZED. I'll be needing to put him in my will! --- Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: --------------------------------- With proper care, upwards of 20-25 years or longer. -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:05 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Hello Steve, I know these goldfish are incredibly "poopy". Holy, moly, this fish's accomodations are going to be larger than my own in "Apartment-Land" (my native habitat). I will need to rent a separate studio for him. He is tough as nails, and of the "ball-shaped' variety. I have had him for 3 years; how long do these fish live??? Thanks, Christa --- Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Goldfish have a tendency to grow. I do not know what type you have, but the comets and the like (normal fish shaped body) will grow to at least twelve inches. The types with a more compressed body that is ball shaped will still equal that length in body mass. The recommendation for an adult fish is 30 gallons per fish. As your goldfish grows, you will need to increase the size of the tank to accommodate the increase in size and the increase of waste production by the fish. Did I mention that goldfish are "dirty" fish, creating a lot of waste and ammonia for the filters to take care of? With any goldfish of more than an inch or so, you should be doing daily water changes in the 5.5 gallon tank to help accommodate the wastes produced. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christa Ciglan Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:12 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Community Tank Viability: 2 firebellied toads and 1 big goldfish? Thanks, Steve. I already gave up on the idea. Goldfish is not as big as you appear to think: he is blissfully happy all alone in the 5.5 tank. the toads have a 10 gallon all to themselves. I kicked them outside on my balcony: the tank is actually heated at one end (I live in Calgary, Alberta and it is entirely normal to still get snow here); they have live plants in there and almost a foot of spaghnum moss (with a layer of coconut bark below and gravel below that) to play and burrow in plus a sizable swimming pool and... 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17015	From: KttmfC	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: fish seeking home

im tryiong to sell community fish so if your in the san diego area... ill hook ya up!!! let me know

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17016	From: blackbimmer1972	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: African Dwarf Frog

Hey gang, I have an African dwarf frog who scurries about my 44 gallon tank among a community of pretty active fish. I'm concerned that the other fish may be beating him to the punch as far as grabbing all the available food. He's been okay for about a week now since I first got stocked him, so I assume he's managing to eat something. I'm just curious if anyone has experience with these little guys and if there are any special conditions for feeding dwarf frogs in a community tank. Thanks.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17017	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: what's wrong with my severum?

My gold severum has some nasty wound on it's left cheek and i wonder if any of you know what it is and how to treat it. the fish eats normal and acts normal. I have a picture of the fish in the album 55 gallon tank by eandtuta. Please help me! Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17018	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with my severum?

Do you have other fish in the tank? Could it be a wound from fighting? Maybe a parasite? If it were mine the first thing I would do would be a large water change and treat the water with a slime coat enhancer, something like NovAqua +. There are other brands of course. After that I don't know what to tell you. Aggresion? parasite? poor water quality? -----Original Message----- From: eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:31:05 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] what's wrong with my severum? My gold severum has some nasty wound on it's left cheek and i wonder if any of you know what it is and how to treat it. the fish eats normal and acts normal. I have a picture of the fish in the album 55 gallon tank by eandtuta. Please help me! Magdalena [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17019	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Fast cycle question

If I take an existing bio-wheel off my double filter and use it on a single wheel filter, is that an instant cycle for the filters tank? I think yes but need to be sure. ALSO...If I add a new bio-wheel to the then empty wheel chamber, will that tank need to go through a mini cycle in order to esatblish the new wheel? One more thing, does adding gravel from an established tank to a new tank help the cycle along? Thanks! Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17020	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with my severum?

I think it looks parasitic or bacterial. I don't think it's a wound of any kind though, unless you have a very destructive pleco that sucked on his face for a while. =) L From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@... Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] what's wrong with my severum? Do you have other fish in the tank? Could it be a wound from fighting? Maybe a parasite? If it were mine the first thing I would do would be a large water change and treat the water with a slime coat enhancer, something like NovAqua +. There are other brands of course. After that I don't know what to tell you. Aggresion? parasite? poor water quality? -----Original Message----- From: eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:31:05 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] what's wrong with my severum? My gold severum has some nasty wound on it's left cheek and i wonder if any of you know what it is and how to treat it. the fish eats normal and acts normal. I have a picture of the fish in the album 55 gallon tank by eandtuta. Please help me! Magdalena [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologis t&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+ki ngdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biol ogy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6= South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologi st&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+k ingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+bi ologist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=Uni ted+kingdom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist& w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdo m&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17021	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Magdalena: FW: Gerard...a disease for you to check out

I asked another group about your fish disease. I don't know if he looked at the picture in this group or not but this is what he said with my description. L <<pimple type puss spots and then a red side around the spots.>> Sounds like Epistyles. Usually occurs due to poor environmental conditions. Best "treatment" is to vastly improve the environment: gravel clean, water change, filter change. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17022	From: Bev	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid

I was given a Cichlid but have not been able to find out what he is. It is about 4 inches long and thick bodied. It is pink with dark eyes. It also has a slight hump on its head and pale spots on his elongated fins and tail. If anyone has any idea what he is please let me know and I will look at pictures of suggested breeds and see if I can identify it. Thanks for your time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17023	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid

A Red Devil? http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/cichlid/RedDevil.php Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bev Sent: 23 May 2006 04:54 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Help Please Unidentified Cichlid I was given a Cichlid but have not been able to find out what he is. It is about 4 inches long and thick bodied. It is pink with dark eyes. It also has a slight hump on its head and pale spots on his elongated fins and tail. If anyone has any idea what he is please let me know and I will look at pictures of suggested breeds and see if I can identify it. Thanks for your time. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17024	From: supamii	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question

Technically the used bio-wheel should help your tank cycle faster - but I'm not sure how well it will get the job done. I'm quite confident that the gravel will be effective in helping the organisms spread - just add a source of ammonia to get things going - As for the new wheel being added to your double wheel - I've heard that water does not contain as much beneficial bacteria as the gravel would - but left on there long enough, I'm sure some bacteria is bound to grow! G'luck. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > If I take an existing bio-wheel off my double filter and use it on a > single wheel filter, is that an instant cycle for the filters tank? I > think yes but need to be sure. > ALSO...If I add a new bio-wheel to the then empty wheel chamber, will > that tank need to go through a mini cycle in order to esatblish the new > wheel? > > One more thing, does adding gravel from an established tank to a new > tank help the cycle along? > > Thanks! > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17025	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question

Used (dirty) filter material, and used (dirty gravel) are the primary growing media for beneficial bacteria. The transfer of both or either to a new tank introduces healthy, growing bacteria instantly. As long as there is ammonia for the transferred bacteria to eat, your tank is cycled instantly. I don’t know if bio-wheel filters also have cartridges. My experience: I cycled a 10 gallon tank in the old-fashioned, 8 week way. By design, I used twice as much substrate in the 10 gallon than I wanted to end up with in the 10 gallon. When it was time to change the filter cartridges I removed the dirty 10G ones and put them into my 38 gallon tank just laid them inside the tank among the rocks for a week. I also put half the used 10G substrate on top of the new substrate in my 38 gallon tank. The 10 gallon tank and the 38 gallon tank had almost the same fish load initially, so the biofilter was able to handle all ammonia and nitrite immediately. There was never an ammonia or nitrite reading in the 38 gallon tank. If you are using another substrate in the new tank, I have also heard you can place the dirty material in bags for easy subsequent removal. Good luck!! _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of supamii Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:20 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Fast cycle question Technically the used bio-wheel should help your tank cycle faster - but I'm not sure how well it will get the job done. I'm quite confident that the gravel will be effective in helping the organisms spread - just add a source of ammonia to get things going - As for the new wheel being added to your double wheel - I've heard that water does not contain as much beneficial bacteria as the gravel would - but left on there long enough, I'm sure some bacteria is bound to grow! G'luck. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > If I take an existing bio-wheel off my double filter and use it on a > single wheel filter, is that an instant cycle for the filters tank? I > think yes but need to be sure. > ALSO...If I add a new bio-wheel to the then empty wheel chamber, will > that tank need to go through a mini cycle in order to esatblish the new > wheel? > > One more thing, does adding gravel from an established tank to a new > tank help the cycle along? > > Thanks! > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+biologist&w1=Marine+biologist&w2 =Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6 =South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=GsrYYajCSz1j-rLVbGfzJQ> biologist Biology <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Biology&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Biology& w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=South+af rica&c=6&s=124&.sig=kCXM3ecd_hIhYxEUWyOFHw> Bucharest <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Bucharest+romania&w1=Marine+biologist&w 2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w 6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=vmb2ug9CWB9kL66YwGMKxw> romania San <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=San+francisco+bay+area&w1=Marine+biolog ist&w2=Biology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+king dom&w6=South+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=kxKEEDwyByHRbNnZILE_dQ> francisco bay area United <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=United+kingdom&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=B iology&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=S outh+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=HPM_nDJbj1M7rAx3MGd2cg> kingdom South <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=South+africa&w1=Marine+biologist&w2=Bio logy&w3=Bucharest+romania&w4=San+francisco+bay+area&w5=United+kingdom&w6=Sou th+africa&c=6&s=124&.sig=MBXb0fWSCz1Yq1V6P7BEkw> africa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17026	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Fast cycle question

Thanks for that. About 1/4 of the gravel in here was transferred from the running tank. I also floated a used foam pad that was in the running tanks filter for several days. As of now all tests are at 0 w/ nitrates at only 5. That's low so I'm watching it closely and will test again tonight. Ammonia was still 0 this morning. So far so good. ~Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:24 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Fast cycle question Used (dirty) filter material, and used (dirty gravel) are the primary growing media for beneficial bacteria. The transfer of both or either to a new tank introduces healthy, growing bacteria instantly. As long as there is ammonia for the transferred bacteria to eat, your tank is cycled instantly. I don't know if bio-wheel filters also have cartridges. My experience: I cycled a 10 gallon tank in the old-fashioned, 8 week way. By design, I used twice as much substrate in the 10 gallon than I wanted to end up with in the 10 gallon. When it was time to change the filter cartridges I removed the dirty 10G ones and put them into my 38 gallon tank.just laid them inside the tank among the rocks for a week. I also put half the used 10G substrate on top of the new substrate in my 38 gallon tank. The 10 gallon tank and the 38 gallon tank had almost the same fish load initially, so the biofilter was able to handle all ammonia and nitrite immediately. There was never an ammonia or nitrite reading in the 38 gallon tank. If you are using another substrate in the new tank, I have also heard you can place the dirty material in bags for easy subsequent removal. Good luck!! _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17027	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: pictus catfish vs. cory cats

Are the two compatible? I have a pictus in a 46 bow front and am about to add some cories. I know pictus will sometimes eat other fish which is why I ask. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17028	From: hank voss	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: pictus catfish vs. cory cats

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Are the two compatible? I have a pictus in a 46 bow front and am about > to add some cories. I know pictus will sometimes eat other fish which > is why I ask. > Thanks, ====If the pistus can get it in its mouth it will usually try to eat it!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17029	From: Andrew	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: How long does Angelfishes live for?

I have two angel fish in my 75 gallon community tank that are six years old. Andy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17030	From: G�rard Gagnon	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Help Please Unidentified Cichlid

This picture have the good name Amphilophus Labiatum ( Dr. Axerold Atals of fresh water aquarium fishes 10-th ed. Page 493) you should not rely only on the color look at the gravel at bottom of picture look a little bit red also, probably a right light. Gerard ------------------------------------ A Red Devil? http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/cichlid/RedDevil.php Nim

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17031	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: new member

hi , just joind your group my name is holly and I am from Australia at the moment I have a 4ft tank set up and have been going through the cycling stage I lost the adult guppies and some platties though they have left me a nice batch of babies that are now an inch long fish : 12guppies ,8 platy ,3 mollies all babies , 2 angels , 2 cory , 1 bristle nosed cat and a variety of plants 3 , 4ft tube lights that I leave on for 12 hours a day I would like some idea as to the fish stocking rate for a planted tank this size and what other kinds of algae eating fish could be added to what I already have thanking you holly

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17032	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Water Change and Death

A quick update to my problem. So I wrote yesterday that I was gone for a few months and when I returned the person apt watching never did the necessary water changes. So there was no water change for approximately four months. The fish seemed okay (2 deaths) but the neon tetras, albino cory's cardinal tetras and glo lights were fine. Anyway, the numbers were normal (temp 78, ph 7.4, ammonia 0-.25, good nitrite and nitrate numbers. I did a 60% water change yesterday and changed the filters. Well an hour later, the ammonia spiked to 2.0 (I used tap water I always use) and when I woke up this morning tank was dead. Was it a mistake to do such a significant water change after 4 months or should I have left things alone since my #'s looked good? As a result, I am breakin down the tank, buying a new filter, and starting over again from scratch. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17033	From: FortWayneFish@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

Ken, The fish acclimated to the water conditions slowly. I think Your massive 60% waterchange probally threw your tank and the fish into Shock. In Hind sight maybe a couple smaller 5% waterchanges would have been better so your ammonia spikes could have been smaller and the fish and tank could have acclimated better. Problem with tearing it all down and starting over is Just that you will be starting over The tank its self doesn't need to be torn down either, Just a good cleaning is in order.I don't see a need for a new filter truthfully. The old filter should still have good bacteria in it, try and keep it viable so your next cycle won't be so long. Sorry to hear about your loses.. Loosing a Whole tank really is terrible and take it from me can be downright depressing. rob renfro Indiana In a message dated 5/25/2006 9:43:53 AM Central Daylight Time, Iksnip@... writes: > > > A quick update to my problem. So I wrote yesterday that I was gone for a > few months and when I returned the person apt watching never did the > necessary > water changes. So there was no water change for approximately four months. > > The fish seemed okay (2 deaths) but the neon tetras, albino cory's cardinal > > tetras and glo lights were fine. Anyway, the numbers were normal (temp 78, > ph > 7.4, ammonia 0-.25, good nitrite and nitrate numbers. I did a 60% water > change yesterday and changed the filters. Well an hour later, the ammonia > spiked to 2.0 (I used tap water I always use) and when I woke up this > morning tank > was dead. > > Was it a mistake to do such a significant water change after 4 months or > should I have left things alone since my #'s looked good? As a result, I > am > breakin down the tank, buying a new filter, and starting over again from > scratch. > > Ken > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17034	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

Ken, As long as the parameters of the new (tap) water was the same or similar as that of the tank water (temperature, pH, ammonia, etc.) when you changed it, there should not have been any "shock" of any sort to the fish, no matter how old the tank water was. The obvious reason for your massive fish kill was of course the high ammonia reading (not "shock"), which you must have been somewhat aware of yourself since you indicate it spiked to 2.0, effectively telling us this was out of the ordinary (which it was, or why else would you have said it "spiked"?) While you could have done several smaller water changes, the one large water change did not kill your fish -- UNLESS -- you originally read your pH wrong (just one possibility). Otherwise, we should concentrate our efforts on how and why the ammonia spiked to 2.0 in a matter of one hour; extremely unusual. First factor under suspicion is the tap water -- did you check the ammonia level of it at any time or especially when you came up with a reading of 2.0 in your tank? While its noted that you changed out the filter material, effectively throwing away the ammonia converting bacteria and rendering the filter basically useless as a biological filter for some time, this in itself should not cause the ammonia to spike in an hour's time, even though it will cause the ammonia to rise. How did you add the new water? Did you use buckets? If so, what were the buckets last used for? What, if anything did you use to eliminate the chloramines in the tap water? Depending on what was used, you well may have released the ammonia (from the chloramines) in the tap water into the aquarium without actually eliminating them. For such a sudden and drastic rise in the ammonia, this seems to possibly be the more probable scenario. In this case, really no need to break down the tank and/or buy a new filter if this is the case, you just need to be more careful. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Iksnip@... wrote: > > > A quick update to my problem. So I wrote yesterday that I was gone for a > few months and when I returned the person apt watching never did the necessary > water changes. So there was no water change for approximately four months. > The fish seemed okay (2 deaths) but the neon tetras, albino cory's cardinal > tetras and glo lights were fine. Anyway, the numbers were normal (temp 78, ph > 7.4, ammonia 0-.25, good nitrite and nitrate numbers. I did a 60% water > change yesterday and changed the filters. Well an hour later, the ammonia > spiked to 2.0 (I used tap water I always use) and when I woke up this morning tank > was dead. > > Was it a mistake to do such a significant water change after 4 months or > should I have left things alone since my #'s looked good? As a result, I am > breakin down the tank, buying a new filter, and starting over again from scratch. > > Ken > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17035	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs

Hi Guys, I currently have a 75 gallon tank that I am intending to house with fish (approximately 45 gallons) and leave the other 35 gallons open air space to house various amphibians. Taking aside issues relating to species that can coexist with each other, I was curious what type of filtration is recommended and also if one could actually recommend a specific filter. I've tried the Emporer 280 and 400 but I get grinding sounds if the tank is not completely fillled so that is out. Is an underground filter better? or is there a specific filter type that can descend into the water actually but not be an underground filter? any help is appreciated! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17036	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs

I would recommend an Eheim canister filter or maybe a fluval... i love mine. Iksnip@... wrote: Hi Guys, I currently have a 75 gallon tank that I am intending to house with fish (approximately 45 gallons) and leave the other 35 gallons open air space to house various amphibians. Taking aside issues relating to species that can coexist with each other, I was curious what type of filtration is recommended and also if one could actually recommend a specific filter. I've tried the Emporer 280 and 400 but I get grinding sounds if the tank is not completely fillled so that is out. Is an underground filter better? or is there a specific filter type that can descend into the water actually but not be an underground filter? any help is appreciated! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17037	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

Sorry I did not note your message yesterday. Here is what I would done should I had been in your position. First, if the water level was low, I would have added water to bring the level back to normal. After the water had circulated for a period, I would have made a small water change, perhaps not the 5% that Rob mentions, but enough to bring the water down about an inch or so, and replace that water with fresh, conditioned water. I'd continue to do the same every day or two watching my numbers and the fish. In addition to the tests you did, I'd do a hardness test. The hardness would have risen over the period you were gone, and getting the hardness back to "normal" would be an indicator of how far I had come in regaining control of the processes occurring in the tank. You don't really need to break down the tank, now, just take care of it like you are cycling the tank, which is what you are doing. If you do wish to break down the tank, to give it a good cleaning (and I might do the same) you do not need a new filter, unless, of course, you have your heart set on one <g>. If the current filter has served you well, then keep it and use it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iksnip@... Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:42 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Water Change and Death A quick update to my problem. So I wrote yesterday that I was gone for a few months and when I returned the person apt watching never did the necessary water changes. So there was no water change for approximately four months. The fish seemed okay (2 deaths) but the neon tetras, albino cory's cardinal tetras and glo lights were fine. Anyway, the numbers were normal (temp 78, ph 7.4, ammonia 0-.25, good nitrite and nitrate numbers. I did a 60% water change yesterday and changed the filters. Well an hour later, the ammonia spiked to 2.0 (I used tap water I always use) and when I woke up this morning tank was dead. Was it a mistake to do such a significant water change after 4 months or should I have left things alone since my #'s looked good? As a result, I am breakin down the tank, buying a new filter, and starting over again from scratch. Ken

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17038	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs

For a tank that size, you should probably make an investment in a canister filter. I like the Ehiem brand, but they can be a bit pricey. You can set the return to make a stream running through your land mass. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iksnip@... Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:58 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Specific Filter Recommendation for Fish and Amphibs Hi Guys, I currently have a 75 gallon tank that I am intending to house with fish (approximately 45 gallons) and leave the other 35 gallons open air space to house various amphibians. Taking aside issues relating to species that can coexist with each other, I was curious what type of filtration is recommended and also if one could actually recommend a specific filter. I've tried the Emporer 280 and 400 but I get grinding sounds if the tank is not completely fillled so that is out. Is an underground filter better? or is there a specific filter type that can descend into the water actually but not be an underground filter? any help is appreciated! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17039	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Algae covered gravel

I am revamping my daughters school tank. It's been neglected and is covered in algae. One of my main questions is the gravel, it's covered in algae. Can I clean this or would I be better off getting new? I'm thinking if I have to get new, I will just go into the playground and grab buckets of that gravel. I think might be easier to clean and sift out than this attached algae. I was thinking I might let a couple of kissing gouramis have an algae feast over the summer and see if they help in that, along w/ a plecostomus as well. I just need to get this algae gone or minimized and I can take care of the rest. I just haven't had to deal w/ this amount of it before. What other fish like to eat algae? I'll put whatever I can in there during the summer months. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17040	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Tetra Eggs

I am currently trying to breed some glowlight tetras, and have done everything recommended by the many articles written on the subject. My question is, are glowlight's eggs visible after they spawn? My female is slimmer today after a night in the 5G breeding tank with two males, but I don't see eggs. Are they hard to distinguish from the peat and gravel residue that can settle on the bottom of a bare- bottomed tank? I don't want to use bright lights or remove the egg crate grid just yet. Just how small are the eggs?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17041	From: hank voss	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@...> wrote: > > I am currently trying to breed some glowlight tetras, and have done > everything recommended by the many articles written on the subject. > My question is, are glowlight's eggs visible after they spawn? Yes,they are quite small if you used plants for a spawning medium use a droplight of flashlight from the rear of the tank.They will look like clear mini pin heads attached to the plants. My > female is slimmer today after a night in the 5G breeding tank with two > males, but I don't see eggs. Are they hard to distinguish from the > peat and gravel residue that can settle on the bottom of a bare- > bottomed tank? If you have peat or gravel residue on the bottom you will not see them as they will blend in with the medium. Using a light will not harm the eggs i would lift the egg crate to check for eggs.The parents are egg eaters. P.S. If you get young youll have to feed them infusoris then bs. Regards Hank I don't want to use bright lights or remove the egg > crate grid just yet. Just how small are the eggs? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17042	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

If it's true algae, and not a blue-green "carpet" of cyanobacteria, then a siamese algae eater will take care of it. They are worth the money and trip to get them, even if you have to try a few stores to find them. Next time I set up a tank that's the only algae eater I'm going to bother to get. Is the tank planted? If not, you can just keep the lights off for several days, and the algae will all die. It's up to you whether or not you want new stuff from the playground, but SAEs or darkness will take care of the algae. Water changes are another thing--they should happen on a regular basis. Many times phosphates and nitrates will build up if the water isn't changed regularly, and can contribute to algae problems. Andy --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I am revamping my daughters school tank. It's been neglected and is > covered in algae. > One of my main questions is the gravel, it's covered in algae. Can I > clean this or would I be better off getting new? I'm thinking if I have > to get new, I will just go into the playground and grab buckets of that > gravel. I think might be easier to clean and sift out than this > attached algae. > > I was thinking I might let a couple of kissing gouramis have an algae > feast over the summer and see if they help in that, along w/ a > plecostomus as well. > I just need to get this algae gone or minimized and I can take care of > the rest. I just haven't had to deal w/ this amount of it before. > > What other fish like to eat algae? I'll put whatever I can in there > during the summer months. > > Thanks, > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17043	From: hank voss	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@...> wrote: > > I am currently trying to breed some glowlight tetras, and have done > everything recommended by the many articles written on the subject. > My question is, are glowlight's eggs visible after they spawn? Yes,they are quite small if you used plants for a spawning medium use a droplight of flashlight from the rear of the tank.They will look like clear mini pin heads attached to the plants. My > female is slimmer today after a night in the 5G breeding tank with two > males, but I don't see eggs. Are they hard to distinguish from the > peat and gravel residue that can settle on the bottom of a bare- > bottomed tank? If you have peat or gravel residue on the bottom you will not see them as they will blend in with the medium. Using a light will not harm the eggs i would lift the egg crate to check for eggs.The parents are egg eaters. P.S. If you get young youll have to feed them infusoris then bs. Regards Hank I don't want to use bright lights or remove the egg > crate grid just yet. Just how small are the eggs? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17044	From: thedakotawinds	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Grass=Najas Guadlapensis

Hi all, I have some Naja's Guadlapensis (Guppy Grass) that I would like to exchange for some Tropical Hornwort and Valisneria. If anyone is interested, please let me know, Ivan South Dakota

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17045	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Canister filter help needed

We are re-hooking up our Eheim today. It's been sitting wet for over a month now. We ran hot water through it but I'm afraid to run it into the tank just yet as I think I should take another stab at cleaning it. How should I do that? And is it OK to just start it up again? There is another filter on the tank that's well established...this won't have an adverse affect will it? Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17046	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Canister filter help needed

I'd probably empty it of water and change the media--filter floss-- in it after rinsing it out real well. If you have the ceramic media in there as well, just rinse it thoroughly. If there are bacteria still viable in the filter, this is where they will be, so use tank water for the rinse on it. If the canister is grungy, wipe it out with a paper towel or cloth. Use a long bottle brush on the tubes to clean them, if necessary, then put it all together again, and put on the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:55 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Canister filter help needed We are re-hooking up our Eheim today. It's been sitting wet for over a month now. We ran hot water through it but I'm afraid to run it into the tank just yet as I think I should take another stab at cleaning it. How should I do that? And is it OK to just start it up again? There is another filter on the tank that's well established...this won't have an adverse affect will it? Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17047	From: Ash	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1203

why dont you use a gravel cleaning siphon hose? ----- Original Message ----- Message 1 From: "Leslie & Dane Moore" 5moores@... Date: Fri May 26, 2006 6:36am(PDT) Subject: Algae covered gravel I am revamping my daughters school tank. It's been neglected and is covered in algae. One of my main questions is the gravel, it's covered in algae. Can I clean this or would I be better off getting new? I'm thinking if I have to get new, I will just go into the playground and grab buckets of that gravel. I think might be easier to clean and sift out than this attached algae. I was thinking I might let a couple of kissing gouramis have an algae feast over the summer and see if they help in that, along w/ a plecostomus as well. I just need to get this algae gone or minimized and I can take care of the rest. I just haven't had to deal w/ this amount of it before. What other fish like to eat algae? I'll put whatever I can in there during the summer months. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17048	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1203

That's a great idea. You could stur it up a bit and then use the hose. I do that when my gravel gets a bit green. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: why dont you use a gravel cleaning siphon hose? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17049	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Protein skimmer advice

Hi...does anyone know anything about Jebo protein skimmers? I am looking at one for the initial setup of my 210 gallon tank, and they seem to be reasonably priced, but I know nothing about the quality. If you don't recommend this brand, which ones do you recommend? Thanks in advance!!!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17050	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Intial tank set-up....

One other thing....I am setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank, and I am wondering about the back of the tank. I do not want to be able to look through and see the hoses, cords, etc., but I also do not want to put up a vinyl ocean scene. Someone suggested painting the back glass...has anyone done this? What color? Thanks again!!!! Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17051	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Robbie, WOW! Now that is a tank! Have you considered doing a loose canvas piece and then putting it on the back? I say this because once painted always painted and the same look forever. I can imagine painting on the back of such a beautiful as well as exspensive tank. I do alot of painting and I love the freedom of loose canvas for murals as well being they can be changed and moved. I have one of those cheesey back drops now just because my new-used tank came with one. I would love seeing some photo's of yours all set up. Also have you considered a shimmery blue color of regular wrapping paper. You know the tin-foil kind. That would be pretty, easy and changeable. I love the freedom to change colors with my moods. I have a dark blue back drop on my 29 gal. Evita wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: One other thing....I am setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank, and I am wondering about the back of the tank. I do not want to be able to look through and see the hoses, cords, etc., but I also do not want to put up a vinyl ocean scene. Someone suggested painting the back glass...has anyone done this? What color? Thanks again!!!! Robbie Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17052	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Usually, one paints the back glass a black, blue or green color. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wantvws Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 7:46 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Intial tank set-up.... One other thing....I am setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank, and I am wondering about the back of the tank. I do not want to be able to look through and see the hoses, cords, etc., but I also do not want to put up a vinyl ocean scene. Someone suggested painting the back glass...has anyone done this? What color? Thanks again!!!! Robbie Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17053	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

I did the custom thing for some of my tanks, didn't want the standard issue for the tanks in the livingroom. What I did was, got poster board (going to use rolled paper next time), painted the design background using "apple barrel colors" course mixed colors as needed to get the desired color (can get little bottles really reasonable at Walmart plus was using them to paint my flower pots). When I got the poster board the ones used for the tank in the window were lighter in color on the back so they would be somewhat reflective, so after all the painting was done and dried, on a couple put a top coat of "clear glitter" so when the lights are on kind of gives the tank a cascading look. Let them dry again, then for a sealant used a product by Krylon "triple thick crystal clear glaze", sprayed 2-3 coats on each side and then let them dry over night. Only had a few dollars in each one, something different and of course fun to do, after the animals (finned/hooved/feathered/furred) and fish art/crafts is a passion of mine. Now a couple of years later they are still holding up well, through water being splashed on them from residents water changes etc... kind of fun to do seeing as you can paint a theme to match you decorations, house decor, etc.... or even to show off the colors of the finned residents more. Even painted a couple backgrounds for 10's that are in my bedroom to match the room colors. Just an idea, and easy to change the background if you want a change and not alot of work so to speak. Allows for lots of freedom of orginality also. Feather Evita <evitabug@...> wrote: Robbie, WOW! Now that is a tank! Have you considered doing a loose canvas piece and then putting it on the back? I say this because once painted always painted and the same look forever. I can imagine painting on the back of such a beautiful as well as exspensive tank. I do alot of painting and I love the freedom of loose canvas for murals as well being they can be changed and moved. I have one of those cheesey back drops now just because my new-used tank came with one. I would love seeing some photo's of yours all set up. Also have you considered a shimmery blue color of regular wrapping paper. You know the tin-foil kind. That would be pretty, easy and changeable. I love the freedom to change colors with my moods. I have a dark blue back drop on my 29 gal. Evita wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: One other thing....I am setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank, and I am wondering about the back of the tank. I do not want to be able to look through and see the hoses, cords, etc., but I also do not want to put up a vinyl ocean scene. Someone suggested painting the back glass...has anyone done this? What color? Thanks again!!!! Robbie Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17054	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

we bought an aquarium picture for the back of our tank the picture has aquarium rocks and plants on it we have carried the theme through into the tank with real rocks and plants It makes the tank seem to have much more depth than it realy has just another idea holly >From: "wantvws" <rml1963@...> >Reply-To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AquaticLife] Intial tank set-up.... >Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:45:42 -0000 > >One other thing....I am setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank, and I >am wondering about the back of the tank. I do not want to be able to >look through and see the hoses, cords, etc., but I also do not want to >put up a vinyl ocean scene. Someone suggested painting the back >glass...has anyone done this? What color? >Thanks again!!!! >Robbie > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send 1c txt to other Telstra Pre-Paid Plus mobiles. Join now http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DTEL185%2E19163%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D29997&_t=754399967&_m=EXT

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17055	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry

Hank, thanks. Turns out I did have some eggs, and noticed a few fry this morning. Can't find them this afternoon, but it's at least comforting to know the preparation and spawning techniques actually work. I'll get the grid and mops out of there and see what I can find. That and get some green water started... AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "hank voss" <aatetras@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@> wrote: > > > > I am currently trying to breed some glowlight tetras, and have done > > everything recommended by the many articles written on the subject. > > My question is, are glowlight's eggs visible after they spawn? > > Yes,they are quite small if you used plants for a spawning medium > use a droplight of flashlight from the rear of the tank.They will look > like clear mini pin heads attached to the plants. > > My > > female is slimmer today after a night in the 5G breeding tank with > two > > males, but I don't see eggs. Are they hard to distinguish from the > > peat and gravel residue that can settle on the bottom of a bare- > > bottomed tank? > > If you have peat or gravel residue on the bottom you will not see > them as they will blend in with the medium. Using a light will not > harm the eggs i would lift the egg crate to check for eggs.The parents > are egg eaters. > P.S. If you get young youll have to feed them infusoris then bs. > > > Regards Hank > > > > I don't want to use bright lights or remove the egg > > crate grid just yet. Just how small are the eggs? > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17056	From: hank voss	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@...> wrote: > > Hank, thanks. > > Turns out I did have some eggs, and noticed a few fry this morning. ========================== Hi: Congratulation your a dad!!!They will probably be on the bottom and and edges of the tank.You will probably lose most of them because you have to have the green water or infusoria ready by the time the eggs hatch,they start feeding as soon as they become free swimming.At least you know that you can do it. Good luck Hank > Can't find them this afternoon, but it's at least comforting to know > the preparation and spawning techniques actually work. I'll get the > grid and mops out of there and see what I can find. That and get > some green water started... > > AC > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "hank voss" <aatetras@> wrote: > > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@> wrote: > > > > > > I am currently trying to breed some glowlight tetras, and have > done > > > everything recommended by the many articles written on the > subject. > > > My question is, are glowlight's eggs visible after they spawn? > > > > Yes,they are quite small if you used plants for a spawning > medium > > use a droplight of flashlight from the rear of the tank.They will > look > > like clear mini pin heads attached to the plants. > > > > My > > > female is slimmer today after a night in the 5G breeding tank > with > > two > > > males, but I don't see eggs. Are they hard to distinguish from > the > > > peat and gravel residue that can settle on the bottom of a bare- > > > bottomed tank? > > > > If you have peat or gravel residue on the bottom you will not see > > them as they will blend in with the medium. Using a light will not > > harm the eggs i would lift the egg crate to check for eggs.The > parents > > are egg eaters. > > P.S. If you get young youll have to feed them infusoris then bs. > > > > > > Regards Hank > > > > > > > > I don't want to use bright lights or remove the egg > > > crate grid just yet. Just how small are the eggs? > > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17057	From: Evita	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Shannon, That sounds nice but you have got to try the loose canvas. It last forever and doesn't tare. All you do is prime it with white paint and let dry and then you can use acrylics on it. I love adding metallic colors in here and there, like the silver's and golds. It dries great in 14 hours and you can cut it to fit any size. Cost of nothing depending on if you have any old sheets lying around. You don't have to seal it if you don't want too either, unless you do it on wood or metal. If you want to change it just roll it up and store it. You could make several different ones for the seasons even. The themes can go as far as imagination can take a person. Just for fun you could even paint a ice and snow banked creek to go behind the tank in the winter using the cool, cold, blue colors. Evita Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: I did the custom thing for some of my tanks, didn't want the standard issue for the tanks in the livingroom. What I did was, got poster board (going to use rolled paper next time), painted the design background using "apple barrel colors" course mixed colors as needed to get the desired color (can get little bottles really reasonable at Walmart plus was using them to paint my flower pots). When I got the poster board the ones used for the tank in the window were lighter in color on the back so they would be somewhat reflective, so after all the painting was done and dried, on a couple put a top coat of "clear glitter" so when the lights are on kind of gives the tank a cascading look. Let them dry again, then for a sealant used a product by Krylon "triple thick crystal clear glaze", sprayed 2-3 coats on each side and then let them dry over night. Only had a few dollars in each one, something different and of course fun to do, after the animals (finned/hooved/feathered/furred) and fish art/crafts is a passion of mine. Now a couple of years later they are still holding up well, through water being splashed on them from residents water changes etc... kind of fun to do seeing as you can paint a theme to match you decorations, house decor, etc.... or even to show off the colors of the finned residents more. Even painted a couple backgrounds for 10's that are in my bedroom to match the room colors. Just an idea, and easy to change the background if you want a change and not alot of work so to speak. Allows for lots of freedom of orginality also. Feather --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17058	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Thanks for the idea...do you have any pictures of what you've done? It sounds like a way cool idea.... Thanks again! Robbie --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Mulberry <feather2night867@...> wrote: > > I did the custom thing for some of my tanks, didn't want the standard issue for the tanks in the livingroom. What I did was, got poster board (going to use rolled paper next time), painted the design background using "apple barrel colors" course mixed colors as needed to get the desired color (can get little bottles really reasonable at Walmart plus was using them to paint my flower pots). When I got the poster board the ones used for the tank in the window were lighter in color on the back so they would be somewhat reflective, so after all the painting was done and dried, on a couple put a top coat of "clear glitter" so when the lights are on kind of gives the tank a cascading look. Let them dry again, then for a sealant used a product by Krylon "triple thick crystal clear glaze", sprayed 2-3 coats on each side and then let them dry over night. Only had a few dollars in each one, something different and of course fun to do, after the animals > (finned/hooved/feathered/furred) and fish art/crafts is a passion of mine. Now a couple of years later they are still holding up well, through water being splashed on them from residents water changes etc... kind of fun to do seeing as you can paint a theme to match you decorations, house decor, etc.... or even to show off the colors of the finned residents more. Even painted a couple backgrounds for 10's that are in my bedroom to match the room colors. > Just an idea, and easy to change the background if you want a change and not alot of work so to speak. Allows for lots of freedom of orginality also. > > Feather

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17059	From: wantvws	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Thanks everyone for the ideas....there are many that I never would have thought of. Anyone have any pictures of what they have used? Robbie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17060	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry

Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw some plant clippings in there. Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, absolutely filthy. AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "hank voss" <aatetras@...> wrote: > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@> > wrote: > > > > Hank, thanks. > > > > Turns out I did have some eggs, and noticed a few fry this > morning. > ========================== > Hi: > Congratulation your a dad!!!They will probably be on the bottom > and and edges of the tank.You will probably lose most of them > because you have to have the green water or infusoria ready by the > time the eggs hatch,they start feeding as soon as they become free > swimming.At least you know that you can do it. > > Good luck Hank > > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17061	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Intial tank set-up....

Soon as the camera batteries are charged up LOL I'll post some new pics showing the whole background. Actually just changed around the residents and filtration system in one of the 55's looks pretty cool, quite a change from the bigger residents, now dwarfs run the bottom and angels (dime to fifty cent piece bodies) the top 1/2. Feather wantvws <rml1963@...> wrote: Thanks everyone for the ideas....there are many that I never would have thought of. Anyone have any pictures of what they have used? Robbie Marine biologist Biology Bucharest romania San francisco bay area United kingdom South africa --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHANNON LINGENFELTER --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17062	From: hank voss	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@...> wrote: > > Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water > on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the > sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw > some plant clippings in there. ======================= Wed. will be to late putit in now.They have to be fed as soon as they become free swimming. > Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and > broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito > larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe > for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, > absolutely filthy. > ===================== It should be safe,to see if you have infusorisa in it use flashlight from behind the jar you should see like a fog below the water surface that should be the infusoria the best way to get out of the jar is with a turkey baster,once you break the surface film you wont beleive the smell.If you really want to raise them you better start hatching bbs now they will be ready for it in 2-3 days. Depends on where you live as to be able to get mos. lar.and infus. now outdoors as they are temp. dependant. Regards Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17063	From: Ash	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Courting Oscars?

About 5 mins ago i witnessed my 2 oscars locking lips and flairing their gills at each other. now im not convinced that they are fighting, as they have never botherd each other since i got them (and they were a great deal smaller back then), also, they dont appear to be hurting each other. my quesiton is basically, are they engaged in a mating ritual? and does this confirm that they are indeed male and female?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17064	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: my new 150 gallon tank

Hi everyone and happy holiday Yesterday after having two strong men over we managed to put the giant tank together me and my husband. I filled it up and treated the tank with stess coat and stress zyme. then I did a water test and saw the Ph was a little off so I treated the water with Proper Ph 7.0. Before I added that the water seemed fine. But after the Ph stuff the tank clouded up and now the morning after it still looks very milky. What can I do, will it clear up by itself? I had planned to add some of my cichlids tomorrow but now I don't know. Thanks in advance Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17065	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: my new 150 gallon tank

Magdelena, By the pH being "a little off", just how "off" was it? It may not have been that much different from what you are trying to adjust it to, to even bother attempting. You don't need the pH to be exactly 7.0. For less stress on the fish, its really a lot easier to have your tank water match (or be close to) you tap water, when you do yor water changes, unless you are going to breed these Cichlids you're getting, and have water storage space to adjust your pH before doing each water change. It sounds possibly like your carbonates are precipitating out, with your water turning milky. Depending upon your hardness, you may get this result when adding chemicals to decrease your pH as they will also be trying to reduce your alkalinity. Unless your water (pH) is way off from neutral, I would suggest leaving it where it is, even if it means draining and refilling the tank. Weren't you planning on cycling the tank first before adding these Cichlids? You will need to establish ammonia and nitrite converting bacteria in this aquarium, for the nitrogen cycle before adding fish. This takes on the average of six weeks, unless you plan on using BioSpira. BTW; what type of Cichlids are they? Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "eandtuta1924" <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone and happy holiday > Yesterday after having two strong men over we managed to put the giant > tank together me and my husband. > I filled it up and treated the tank with stess coat and stress zyme. > then I did a water test and saw the Ph was a little off so I treated > the water with Proper Ph 7.0. Before I added that the water seemed > fine. But after the Ph stuff the tank clouded up and now the morning > after it still looks very milky. > What can I do, will it clear up by itself? > I had planned to add some of my cichlids tomorrow but now I don't know. > Thanks in advance > Magdalena >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17066	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Courting Oscars?

Ash, Doesn't matter that they never bothered each other when they were smaller, their behavior changes as they reach maturity. They may well be engaging in a "mating ritual", as this is one of the possible behavioral aspects they may engage in at that time, but then again, this does not necessarily confirm that they are a male and a female. This behavior is also shown, as they mature, when establishing territories and they may well be two males. This may be further borne out as two unrelated male Cichlids (Oscar and Jaguar, for instance) try to establish territories; they will act the same, and of course they are not about trying to pair up with each other. The one fact that you indicate they are not hurting each other gives hope and more of a possibility that they may be a pair. Time will tell, and it may be short -- keep an eye on them just in case you need to separate them. If its a pair, and they "accept" each other after this "contest", you've got it made, in which case they should settle down and start cleaning an area in which to lay eggs. Lots of luck. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <ash_nug@...> wrote: > > About 5 mins ago i witnessed my 2 oscars locking lips and flairing their > gills at each other. > now im not convinced that they are fighting, as they have never botherd each > other since i got them (and they were a great deal smaller back then), also, > they dont appear to be hurting each other. > my quesiton is basically, > are they engaged in a mating ritual? > and does this confirm that they are indeed male and female? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17067	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: my new 150 gallon tank

Magdalena. Unless you are planning on breeding fish it is better to just get them slowly acclimated to your existing pH. Your water supply will probably have a buffer in it from the local municipal water supply and will try and bounce back to that. You will probably be in a constant war with your pH with every water change, trying to buffer it to a desired level. Better to just get the fish used to it as the changing of the pH with each water change is what will do the most harm to them. In a message dated 5/29/2006 6:45:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eandtuta1924@... writes: Hi everyone and happy holiday Yesterday after having two strong men over we managed to put the giant tank together me and my husband. I filled it up and treated the tank with stess coat and stress zyme. then I did a water test and saw the Ph was a little off so I treated the water with Proper Ph 7.0. Before I added that the water seemed fine. But after the Ph stuff the tank clouded up and now the morning after it still looks very milky. What can I do, will it clear up by itself? I had planned to add some of my cichlids tomorrow but now I don't know. Thanks in advance Magdalena [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17068	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205

in my understanding, mosquitos require still water. ive never heard anything about copius amounts of rotting lettuce. a single leaf or sprinkle of dirt would be enough to sustain a microbial environment. ----- Original Message ----- Message 10 From: "aclaar877" aclaar877@... Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:20pm(PDT) Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw some plant clippings in there. Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, absolutely filthy. AC

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17069	From: hank voss	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <ash_nug@...> wrote: > > in my understanding, mosquitos require still water. > ive never heard anything about copius amounts of rotting lettuce. > a single leaf or sprinkle of dirt would be enough to sustain a microbial > environment. > ===================== Your right all you need is a bucket of water and in time youll have mos.larvae why aclaar dud it that way he will have to answer that. The fact that he used lettuce gave him a ready supply of infusoria for the glowlite fry. Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > Message 10 > From: "aclaar877" aclaar877@... > Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:20pm(PDT) > Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry > > Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water > on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the > sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw > some plant clippings in there. > > Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and > broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito > larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe > for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, > absolutely filthy. > > AC >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17070	From: aclaar877	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205

Right, they require water--my lettuce is in a bucket of old aquarium water, rotting profusely. In Texas I had great results by throwing a broccoli stump in there, so I guess that's why I still use vegetation. Now I live on the fourth floor in the city, and unfortunately can't attract any mosquitos on my balcony, even with the most putrid stagnant filth. I guess that will be one benefit of moving to a regular house with trees around--ample live food during the warm weather months. AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <ash_nug@...> wrote: > > in my understanding, mosquitos require still water. > ive never heard anything about copius amounts of rotting lettuce. > a single leaf or sprinkle of dirt would be enough to sustain a microbial > environment. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message 10 > From: "aclaar877" aclaar877@... > Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:20pm(PDT) > Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry > > Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water > on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the > sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw > some plant clippings in there. > > Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and > broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito > larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe > for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, > absolutely filthy. > > AC >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17071	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Plant Care and Death

Hi Guys, I am starting a 75 gallon tank that ultimately will house both fish and certain amphibians. Within the tank I have several Amazon Sword Plants and Jungle Vallisneria. I also have some Comboda (sp) plants I believe also. I am currently using the Repti Glow 5.0 which provides UVA at 30% UVB at 5%. I was told this was great for each of my needs. The plants are housed in a white sand substrate and I am using one (per directions) of those plant nutritional liquid suplemments that stores sell. I am in my office and dont have the bottle in front of me. Still, my plants continue to grow brown and die. What am I missing/doing wrong? thanks Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17072	From: red-eye	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death

either light - water changes_- carbon - fertilizer in substrate - or a liquid plant supplement I use flourish excel and accompanying products by the same company. I assume your tank has cycled and that the sand is not like a fine white beach sand. I use Monterey Sand, I believe it is considered #10 Curious - what amphibians do you plan on keeping with fish? red-eye At 08:42 AM 5/30/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Guys, > >I am starting a 75 gallon tank that ultimately will house both fish and >certain amphibians. Within the tank I have several Amazon Sword Plants and >Jungle Vallisneria. I also have some Comboda (sp) plants I believe also. > >I am currently using the Repti Glow 5.0 which provides UVA at 30% UVB at >5%. I was told this was great for each of my needs. The plants are >housed in >a white sand substrate and I am using one (per directions) of those plant >nutritional liquid suplemments that stores sell. I am in my office and dont >have the bottle in front of me. > >Still, my plants continue to grow brown and die. What am I missing/doing >wrong? > >thanks > >Ken > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17073	From: Iksnip@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death

thanks for the input. how would the water changes kill the plants? What is the problem with white sand btw? you say #10? what is #10? Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17074	From: red-eye	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death

At 09:35 AM 5/30/2006, you wrote: >thanks for the input. how would the water changes kill the plants? lack of carbon in the water will give you brown plants & #10 is the sieve size the material fits through >What is >the problem with white sand btw? you say #10? what is #10? > >Ken > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. >·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> >PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to >the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the >SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- ><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. >We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17075	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206

Thanks for your reply, I guess i will just have to wait it out. It makes sense that their behaviour should change, as they are entering maturity. I might even expect that they will become much more aggressive to each other. Maybe its time to start thinking about giving them away to a new home. There are a number of fish i would like to start keeping but cant due to the agressive nature of the oscars.... ----- Original Message ----- Message 3 From: "Raymond Wetzel" sevenspringss@... Date: Mon May 29, 2006 11:11am(PDT) Subject: Re: Courting Oscars? Ash, Doesn't matter that they never bothered each other when they were smaller, their behavior changes as they reach maturity. They may well be engaging in a "mating ritual", as this is one of the possible behavioral aspects they may engage in at that time, but then again, this does not necessarily confirm that they are a male and a female. This behavior is also shown, as they mature, when establishing territories and they may well be two males. This may be further borne out as two unrelated male Cichlids (Oscar and Jaguar, for instance) try to establish territories; they will act the same, and of course they are not about trying to pair up with each other. The one fact that you indicate they are not hurting each other gives hope and more of a possibility that they may be a pair. Time will tell, and it may be short -- keep an eye on them just in case you need to separate them. If its a pair, and they "accept" each other after this "contest", you've got it made, in which case they should settle down and start cleaning an area in which to lay eggs. Lots of luck. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17076	From: Ash	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206

indeed, coming from someone who is covered by mosquitos as soon as you leave the house, you have got it made! ----- Original Message ----- Message 7 From: "aclaar877" aclaar877@... Date: Tue May 30, 2006 7:18am(PDT) Subject: Re: Digest Number 1205 Right, they require water--my lettuce is in a bucket of old aquarium water, rotting profusely. In Texas I had great results by throwing a broccoli stump in there, so I guess that's why I still use vegetation. Now I live on the fourth floor in the city, and unfortunately can't attract any mosquitos on my balcony, even with the most putrid stagnant filth. I guess that will be one benefit of moving to a regular house with trees around--ample live food during the warm weather months. AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <ash_nug@...> wrote: > > in my understanding, mosquitos require still water. > ive never heard anything about copius amounts of rotting lettuce. > a single leaf or sprinkle of dirt would be enough to sustain a microbial > environment. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message 10 > From: "aclaar877" aclaar877@... > Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:20pm(PDT) > Subject: Re: Tetra Eggs -- Got Fry > > Actually, I have a planted tank that I've been fighting green water > on for about a month. I figure I can get a jar of it, put it in the > sun, and have it get really green by Wednesday. I also might throw > some plant clippings in there. > > Question--I have a very nasty bucket of tank water w/lettuce and > broccoli that I've had outside for a week, trying to get mosquito > larvae. I live on the fourth floor, so no luck yet. Is this safe > for fry to feed on? It's got the film on top, rotting lettuce, > absolutely filthy. > > AC >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17077	From: chris topher	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

i have a confession to make... i NEVER do water changes, my tanks are heavily planted and i just add water when it gets low, systems stabilize for me... i started this years ago when my angelfish kept dying after regular water changes... once i stopped following "the rules" my angels survived and bred...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17078	From: jim	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

You can go to walmart and get whats called no more algae.. tank buddies its made by Jungle i tab for 10 GAL. works great eats it off and looks like alkacelser while doing it.. really does work in a very short time too! good luck ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17079	From: NancyTroyer@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202

I'm a newBee ... how do you check the ammonia levels?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17080	From: EshMedicMom163@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Intro

Hi, thank you for allowing me into your group! My name is Andrea (Andi). I am a paramedic and ems instructor here in good 'ol Indiana. I have a darling little girl named Madyson, she is 14 months. I am married to Andy, he is a firefighter...we have been married for 2 years. I love fish, but I must admit I've slacked off in the amount of tanks and fish that I have. We currently only have two tanks set up, one 75 gal fresh and one 55 gal salt. My fresh is a basic tropical tank. I had discus for a couple of years and then lost them. I am wanting to go back to african chiclids at some point. Our salt has one large lion fish and that's all that's left! We had a clown trigger and a panther grouper and after a year or so, we lost them. I used to have 8 tanks set up, now with the baby and working I just don't have the time that I used to. I hope to get back into it soon! I also worked at a pet store for years and did all the fish ordering, that is how I got deeply into the hobby. I'm looking foward to meeting you all! Andy & Andi (http://daisypath.com/) (http://lilypie.com/) (http://www.tickerfactory.com/)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17081	From: web_geni_88	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

If it's layer of algae on top on the Gravel try using a gravel cleaner when you do water changes. I would do a 25 % water change twice a week for a couple of weeks, that should clean it up nicley.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17082	From: ebayario	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Choosing the light.

Hi everyone: I'setting up a 55 gallon tank with plants and I saw this Odyssea Fixture and I just wanna know if anyone has had any experience with them. Are they any good or what? Anything about it would help or any suggestion on where to but it. Here are the specification for the fixture. 2006 Model Odyssea 48" 260W (4x65W) Compact Fluorescent Fixture Fixture Support:4x65W CF and 4xBluemoon LED Approx Fixture Size: 47"L x 7.5"W x 2.5"H non corrosive powder coated housing stainless steel reflector internal electronic ballast built-in cooling fans for continuous ventilation individual power cords three on/off switches controlling compact light and bluemoon acrylic lens cover 2x65W CF Daylight 12000K bulb, 2x65W CF actinic blue bulb, 4xbluemoon LED, and mounting legs. thank you very much. Ario

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17083	From: Jessica	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: HELP - planaria

Does anyone know where I can buy a , for a pet? Jessica

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17084	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206

I would not be too hasty to get rid of them. If they are a male and female, and they accept each other after this "trial" period, it would be hard to find a more compatable two fish. Their aggression will disappear and you'll stand an excellent chance of them breeding, if this is what you are after. Hang on to them for now and keep an eye on them. If their aggression gets worse (and it may), don't give up the ship, unless severe damage is being done. If one of the fish turns and runs however, and no longer has an interest in continuing this "contest" with the other one pursuing it up into a corner, that's the time to separate them and think about selling them off if that's then your choice for even if they are a pair (male and female), they will not be compatible. Second or third (or tenth) "trial" periods seldom result in their accepting each other after an initial failure. You would then need to keep them separated, although there's still the possibility of them breeding in this situation when using plastic "egg crate" material as a divider, but no guarantee. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <ash_nug@...> wrote: > > Thanks for your reply, > I guess i will just have to wait it out. It makes sense that their behaviour > should change, as they are entering maturity. I might even expect that they > will become much more aggressive to each other. > Maybe its time to start thinking about giving them away to a new home. There > are a number of fish i would like to start keeping but cant due to the > agressive nature of the oscars.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message 3 > From: "Raymond Wetzel" sevenspringss@... > Date: Mon May 29, 2006 11:11am(PDT) > Subject: Re: Courting Oscars? > > Ash, Doesn't matter that they never bothered each other when they > were smaller, their behavior changes as they reach maturity. They > may well be engaging in a "mating ritual", as this is one of the > possible behavioral aspects they may engage in at that time, but then > again, this does not necessarily confirm that they are a male and a > female. This behavior is also shown, as they mature, when > establishing territories and they may well be two males. This may be > further borne out as two unrelated male Cichlids (Oscar and Jaguar, > for instance) try to establish territories; they will act the same, > and of course they are not about trying to pair up with each other. > The one fact that you indicate they are not hurting each other gives > hope and more of a possibility that they may be a pair. Time will > tell, and it may be short -- keep an eye on them just in case you > need to separate them. If its a pair, and they "accept" each other > after this "contest", you've got it made, in which case they should > settle down and start cleaning an area in which to lay eggs. Lots > of luck. Ray >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17085	From: Dmitry Gorelov	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202

Hi, You can check all important water parameters with a test kit from the LFS (local fish store). Usually people recommend liquid reagents as opposed to the strips for being more precise and reliable. Good luck, Dmitry On 5/26/06, NancyTroyer@... <NancyTroyer@...> wrote: > > I'm a newBee ... how do you check the ammonia levels? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17086	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202

Actually, you are better off with powdered reagents than the liquid. Also, make sure that whatever kit you buy, there is an expiration date on the reagents. Reagents will change over time and start to give you false readings. By having an expiration date on them, you will know when they are expected to start turning and can then go out and get new ones. Make sure the dates are several months into the future, so you will have a chance to use them up prior to the expiration date. If a kit has no expiration date, do not purchase it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dmitry Gorelov Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Digest Number 1202 Hi, You can check all important water parameters with a test kit from the LFS (local fish store). Usually people recommend liquid reagents as opposed to the strips for being more precise and reliable. Good luck, Dmitry On 5/26/06, NancyTroyer@... <NancyTroyer@...> wrote: > > I'm a newBee ... how do you check the ammonia levels? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17087	From: hank voss	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, chris topher <humbottom@...> wrote: > > i have a confession to make... > > i NEVER do water changes, my tanks are heavily planted > and i just add water when it gets low, systems > stabilize for me... ========================= Chris: As long as it works for you your ok,a long time ago when i was a meer pup i did the same thing.I had 4-10gal. tanks heavily planted with Ital. val. and hydro.i kept those tanks going for around 8 yrs. that way with no problems. Now i cant get away with that method since i dont have that many plants anymore.For some reason i cant get val. to do good for me.Back then (early 40s)an accepted practice was to siphon the tank and let the water settle and then pour it back all the plants made the difference it was almost like a so called "balanced aquariun". PS As the old saying goes "If it aint broke dont fix it" Regards Hank > i started this years ago when my angelfish kept dying > after regular water changes... > > once i stopped following "the rules" my angels > survived and bred... >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17088	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: New tank & pictus cat question

I just set up this 50 gal and put a bio wheel that has been established from another tank. It has a stock of community fish in it as I assumed it was cycled but the nitrates are just now reading at .5. That seems awfully low to me and makes me wonder if this tank is going to go through a complete cycle. Also I moved a pictus catfish from the 75 into this tank. He has been doing "summer saults" for 2 days now. He flips around a piece of driftwood and rarely goes anywhere else. He might dart to the top for a flashing second then he's back to the summer saults around this wood. That can't be normal. I think he might be brain damaged or something...it's very odd! On top of that, he isn't eating like he normally does. Does anyone have any pictus experience where this could be compared to as abnormal or normal? It's so bizarre I am thinking of taking some video and posting it. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17089	From: Donna Ransome	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: New tank & pictus cat question

It took my tank (the one cycled by bacteria from another tank) 10 days to show a nitrate reading over .5.how long has it been running? How many fish are in it? Don't know anything about pictus, sorry. _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:10 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New tank & pictus cat question I just set up this 50 gal and put a bio wheel that has been established from another tank. It has a stock of community fish in it as I assumed it was cycled but the nitrates are just now reading at .5. That seems awfully low to me and makes me wonder if this tank is going to go through a complete cycle. Also I moved a pictus catfish from the 75 into this tank. He has been doing "summer saults" for 2 days now. He flips around a piece of driftwood and rarely goes anywhere else. He might dart to the top for a flashing second then he's back to the summer saults around this wood. That can't be normal. I think he might be brain damaged or something...it's very odd! On top of that, he isn't eating like he normally does. Does anyone have any pictus experience where this could be compared to as abnormal or normal? It's so bizarre I am thinking of taking some video and posting it. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Marine+su pply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+supply& w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=1aJTT8cq_h-JhCXOzKkp0w> fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+supply+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vDoiB6p0z0faM1QNsZ6YRQ> supply fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+aquarium+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2= Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fis h+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=yPzIKsb1xVhEQSaS104MRA> aquarium fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+tank&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Mari ne+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+su pply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vd0tB0ww_NfZeIdd1ub8HA> fish tank Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+supply&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=AoT2JiBLCHCynoFXVrg2tw> fish supply Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+screensaver&w1=Marine+fish& w2=Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+ fish+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=qtzt6gETEx-_VPAWs6bt8g > fish screensaver _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17090	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: New tank & pictus cat question

It's been running since Thursday I think. There are 4 tetras, a pictus, a gourami, a swordtail molly, a rainbow fish and another lonely tetra. All quite small but the gourami and the pictus. ~ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:30 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New tank & pictus cat question It took my tank (the one cycled by bacteria from another tank) 10 days to show a nitrate reading over .5.how long has it been running? How many fish are in it? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17091	From: Evita	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Water Change and Death

I have a similar story of sorts. I first set up my 29-30 gal tank last year. I was doing water changes and testing like crazy still almost every fish I got the first 6 months died. Now it has been a year and now that I stopped testing and changing the water and basically let it be (topping it off when needed)for the past few months, I feel my tank finally got established and I have not had a death in over 4 months. I even added two adopted fish two weeks ago, that we in really dirty water and they are doing very well too. How ever I still treat the water I add and from time to time I think it is good to clean the bottom gravel a bit if needed. The man that I bought my 55 gal tank bragged how he never cleaned his tank the whole 10 years he had it. He said he changed his filters every 3-4 months and topped off his tank when needed. But his water was so dirty I couldn't see the fish and the filters were so clogged I doubt they were even working. It took 4 hours to clean it up before I could put my turtle into it. He basically ignored the care of the tank. I really felt sorry for the 4 fish in it. I separated the 2 goldfish when I got them into their own tank. Now they are in a crystal clean tank. So far so good. Point being I would clean and do water changes if needed. I would never let my tank be so filthy. Right now they are fine. Evita hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, chris topher <humbottom@...> wrote: > > i have a confession to make... > > i NEVER do water changes, my tanks are heavily planted > and i just add water when it gets low, systems > stabilize for me... ========================= Chris: As long as it works for you your ok,a long time ago when i was a meer pup i did the same thing.I had 4-10gal. tanks heavily planted with Ital. val. and hydro.i kept those tanks going for around 8 yrs. that way with no problems. Now i cant get away with that method since i dont have that many plants anymore.For some reason i cant get val. to do good for me.Back then (early 40s)an accepted practice was to siphon the tank and let the water settle and then pour it back all the plants made the difference it was almost like a so called "balanced aquariun". PS As the old saying goes "If it aint broke dont fix it" Regards Hank > i started this years ago when my angelfish kept dying > after regular water changes... > > once i stopped following "the rules" my angels > survived and bred... > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine fish Marine supply fish Marine aquarium fish Marine fish tank Marine fish supply Marine fish screensaver --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17092	From: snerticus	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Algae problem

Hi all, I don't post much in the group, but I do peruse the digests every day. I seem to have a problem with hair algae in my semi- planted tank. I only have an aquatic fern and some micro swords in there, and other algaes have been taken care of with a product from Marc Wiess called Algae Magic. I have had common nuisance snails in there, and other freshwater snails, as well as a freshwater converted Nerite snail. I have used otocinclus, a clown pleco, amano shrimp, and even ghost shrimp (I know, they don't eat algae very well). None will eat the hair algae. They eat other types, but not hair. I've heard that Ameca Splendens will eat hair algae as well as other undesirable algae, but they are extremely hard to come by. My tank is a 5 gallon nanocube and currently has a clown pleco, a tiny yoyo loach and a "dwarf" platy. It's been set up for at least three months and I do weekly water changes from between 15% to 50% depending on what I think it needs (no formula, I just eyeball it). I've tried leaving the lights off for a few days, but that doesn't do it either - it doesn't even touch the hair algae. I even think it grows during that time! I was wondering if anyone had any ideas. Also, if anyone knows where I can get a pair of these Ameca Splendens, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Snert

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17093	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207

Most people dont realise that even a small amount of chlorine can kill the very sensitive nutrient cycling bacteria living in a fishtank. Suprising. ----- Original Message ----- Message: 3 Date: Tue May 30, 2006 5:02 pm (PDT) From: "chris topher" humbottom@... Subject: Re: Water Change and Death i have a confession to make... i NEVER do water changes, my tanks are heavily planted and i just add water when it gets low, systems stabilize for me... i started this years ago when my angelfish kept dying after regular water changes... once i stopped following "the rules" my angels survived and bred...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17094	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207

Hmm, well initially they both seemed to be into it, then one started hiding... Its been a few days now and they both seemed to have settled down a bit. This is a good thing as i do not have any way of seperating them (short of buying a whole new setup!) ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 Date: Tue May 30, 2006 6:52 pm (PDT) From: "Raymond Wetzel" sevenspringss@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 1206 I would not be too hasty to get rid of them. If they are a male and female, and they accept each other after this "trial" period, it would be hard to find a more compatable two fish. Their aggression will disappear and you'll stand an excellent chance of them breeding, if this is what you are after. Hang on to them for now and keep an eye on them. If their aggression gets worse (and it may), don't give up the ship, unless severe damage is being done. If one of the fish turns and runs however, and no longer has an interest in continuing this "contest" with the other one pursuing it up into a corner, that's the time to separate them and think about selling them off if that's then your choice for even if they are a pair (male and female), they will not be compatible. Second or third (or tenth) "trial" periods seldom result in their accepting each other after an initial failure. You would then need to keep them separated, although there's still the possibility of them breeding in this situation when using plastic "egg crate" material as a divider, but no guarantee. Ray

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17095	From: Ash	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207

Water changes are not a huge concern for me either i must admit. I have found my fish are more than healthy with monthly water change and gravel/glass clean. I'm guessing that the large external canister filter i have is largely responsible for this. I do like the water to stay clear, and the glass to be crystal clean, this way i can enjoy my fish. This person you bought your tank off sounds like an idiot (or just plain lazy!) for not doing the same. ----- Original Message ----- Message: 17 Date: Wed May 31, 2006 9:24 am (PDT) From: "Evita" evitabug@... Subject: Re: Water Change and Death I have a similar story of sorts. I first set up my 29-30 gal tank last year. I was doing water changes and testing like crazy still almost every fish I got the first 6 months died. Now it has been a year and now that I stopped testing and changing the water and basically let it be (topping it off when needed)for the past few months, I feel my tank finally got established and I have not had a death in over 4 months. I even added two adopted fish two weeks ago, that we in really dirty water and they are doing very well too. How ever I still treat the water I add and from time to time I think it is good to clean the bottom gravel a bit if needed. The man that I bought my 55 gal tank bragged how he never cleaned his tank the whole 10 years he had it. He said he changed his filters every 3-4 months and topped off his tank when needed. But his water was so dirty I couldn't see the fish and the filters were so clogged I doubt they were even working. It took 4 hours to clean it up before I could put my turtle into it. He basically ignored the care of the tank. I really felt sorry for the 4 fish in it. I separated the 2 goldfish when I got them into their own tank. Now they are in a crystal clean tank. So far so good. Point being I would clean and do water changes if needed. I would never let my tank be so filthy. Right now they are fine. Evita

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17096	From: edel	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: RIYUKEN FISH

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17097	From: Evita	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207

Ash, Actually I didn't get the opinion he was lazy.....but he was really on the slow side. He was actually bragging how long he had the tank and not cleaned it.....while the water was so dirty. I kept telling him it seemed dirty to me. Then when we broke it down, well let me saw he stood by while I told him what to do. He had a cyphoner that he had never used. He has a tank larger than mine but a smaller cyphoner than mine. I brought mine so I decided to use mine. He didn't even know how to break down the tank. I told him how to hold it while the water went into the buckets. He wanted to put the fish in the bucket of water first but I told him I had bags to put them in and we would get them last. Then I could float them in my tank when I got home. He didn't understand anything I was saying. His house was really clean. But his yard was dying. He had tons of gravel in the tank. I told him I wanted to put all the gravel in the buckets. He actually thought I would be moving the tank with the gravel in it. I told him I didn't want to move it in the tank to prevent the tank from being damaged in the move and also it would be too heavy to move. I took out three over 5 lb buckets of gravel, and two more of other large rocks and plants. He said he was selling so he didn't have to move the tank. Then he said he would probably buy a new tank when he moved. I hope he doesn't. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: Water changes are not a huge concern for me either i must admit. I have found my fish are more than healthy with monthly water change and gravel/glass clean. I'm guessing that the large external canister filter i have is largely responsible for this. I do like the water to stay clear, and the glass to be crystal clean, this way i can enjoy my fish. This person you bought your tank off sounds like an idiot (or just plain lazy!) for not doing the same. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17098	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

When I do water changes, I do vacuum the gravel, however, the algae on top sticks to the gravel in clumps and I cannot vacuum it up. The worst of it is attached to the plants. I've already cleaned up the plants a few times but it just keeps coming back. Thanks for the suggestion, tho! I'll have to try doubly hard to get it off the gravel or just take the clumps out altogether. :) Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "web_geni_88" <web_geni_88@...> wrote: > > If it's layer of algae on top on the Gravel try using a gravel cleaner > when you do water changes. I would do a 25 % water change twice a week > for a couple of weeks, that should clean it up nicley. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17099	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

As long as it's safe for all invertebrates and plants, I'll have to give it a try. Thanks! Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, jim <jimrackilleen@...> wrote: > > You can go to walmart and get whats called no more algae.. tank buddies its made by Jungle i tab for 10 GAL. works great eats it off and looks like alkacelser while doing it.. really does work in a very short time too! good luck

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17100	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207

I kinda do this, but I do have to do 20% water changes from time to time, simply because the ph and hardness of the water builds up over time. I do a lot of gravel vacuuming and viltering, though. > i NEVER do water changes, my tanks are heavily planted > and i just add water when it gets low, systems > stabilize for me...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17101	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae covered gravel

May sound odd, but since we bought some of those ornamental moss balls to put in our tanks, the tanks with the moss do not grow that stringy annoying algae, and the tank without them has it all over.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17102	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Algae problem

A little less light, and try some of those moss or algae balls. They seem to compete for the same nutrients as the hair algae and make it difficult to grow. They are very cool, too, rolling around the bottom of the tank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17103	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Question about filter media

I use sponge filters with activated charcoal and zeolite in them. It is getting pricey to keep buying replacement packets and media and I was wondering if there is a way to recharge the old, soiled filters and filter media?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17104	From: snerticus	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: HELP - planaria

Well, planaria probably don't make the best of pets, but you can get some at any biological supply store, like Carolina Biological or Wards Natural Science. I don't know the urls, but you can Google them to find the websites. That's how I got my aquatic isopods, gammarus shrimp, copepods, and ostracods. They have some unusual stuff, I even saw a freshwater sponge, called a spongella, that I wanted to try my hand at keeping. Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica" <gophert@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can buy a , for a pet? > > Jessica >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17105	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Plant Care and Death

What's the ph of the water, for one thing. Some plants like it more acid, some like it more soft. Some like more light, some like less, and white sand substrate alone isn't enough for them. I use a mix of laterite, washed peat, and gypsum, mixed with enough water to make it doughy on the bottom, with any plant root fertilizers tucked here and there I want. Then I top THAT with any gravel or sand (I kinda like a mix of a little gravel and sand in drifts) I have to periodically get rid of some of my plants. Though there are plants that will die back every few months and go dormant, then come back out great guns.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17106	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Is there any way?

To recharge filter media, like activated carbon and zeolite so I'm not going through so much of it? I take the packets out of my filters every month and toss them, but I'm wondering if there isn't a way to wash them out, recharge them somehow, and re-use them?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17107	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

Zeolites can generally be recharged and re-used, activated carbon is too difficult for the home user to recharge. Why do you feel you need to use the activated carbon and the zeolite? Activated carbon should only be used when indicated, such as to remove medication or tannins from the water. A zeolite is used to change a specific property of water chemistry. If it is being used for ammonia removal, you should rethink your tank so that the ammonia is handled naturally by the biological cycle of your tank. If it is a water softener, you will need to discover what in your tank is causing the hardness to rise--if your tap water is hard, it would be less expensive to treat it before it enters your tank, or, better yet, keep fish that do well with hard water. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cynthia brennemann Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Question about filter media I use sponge filters with activated charcoal and zeolite in them. It is getting pricey to keep buying replacement packets and media and I was wondering if there is a way to recharge the old, soiled filters and filter media? Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17108	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208

Oh dear. Maybe it is a good thing that he didnt attempt to look after anything more 'complicated' than fish, like a dog or a bird! Perhaps he will be happy with one of those electronic/magnetic fish tanks? LOL Ash. ----- Original Message ----- Message: 6 Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 3:46 am (PDT) From: "Evita" evitabug@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 1207 Ash, Actually I didn't get the opinion he was lazy.....but he was really on the slow side. He was actually bragging how long he had the tank and not cleaned it.....while the water was so dirty. I kept telling him it seemed dirty to me. Then when we broke it down, well let me saw he stood by while I told him what to do. He had a cyphoner that he had never used. He has a tank larger than mine but a smaller cyphoner than mine. I brought mine so I decided to use mine. He didn't even know how to break down the tank. I told him how to hold it while the water went into the buckets. He wanted to put the fish in the bucket of water first but I told him I had bags to put them in and we would get them last. Then I could float them in my tank when I got home. He didn't understand anything I was saying. His house was really clean. But his yard was dying. He had tons of gravel in the tank. I told him I wanted to put all the gravel in the buckets. He actually thought I would be moving the tank with the gravel in it. I told him I didn't want to move it in the tank to prevent the tank from being damaged in the move and also it would be too heavy to move. I took out three over 5 lb buckets of gravel, and two more of other large rocks and plants. He said he was selling so he didn't have to move the tank. Then he said he would probably buy a new tank when he moved. I hope he doesn't. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: Water changes are not a huge concern for me either i must admit. I have found my fish are more than healthy with monthly water change and gravel/glass clean. I'm guessing that the large external canister filter i have is largely responsible for this. I do like the water to stay clear, and the glass to be crystal clean, this way i can enjoy my fish. This person you bought your tank off sounds like an idiot (or just plain lazy!) for not doing the same.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17109	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208

Algae balls? Sounds an interesting concept. I've never heard of them before, how exactly do they work? ----- Original Message ----- Message: 11 Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 11:41 am (PDT) From: "cynthia brennemann" brennewoman@... Subject: Re: Algae problem A little less light, and try some of those moss or algae balls. They seem to compete for the same nutrients as the hair algae and make it difficult to grow. They are very cool, too, rolling around the bottom of the tank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17110	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208

No im afraid not. They work basically by absorbing all the bad chemicals out of the water, and once they are 'full' there is no practical way of cleaning them. Try doubling the suggested replacement time. That way you wont need to buy new medium as often, and i think you will find that the chemistry of the water will remain fairly stable. ----- Original Message ----- Message: 12 Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 11:42 am (PDT) From: "cynthia brennemann" brennewoman@... Subject: Question about filter media I use sponge filters with activated charcoal and zeolite in them. It is getting pricey to keep buying replacement packets and media and I was wondering if there is a way to recharge the old, soiled filters and filter media?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17111	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

Cynthia, Yes, there are ways to recharge filter media. Taking one at a time and starting with zeolite, it first has to be established what type of zeolite you are using. Assuming you are talking about the most commonly one used in the hobby, that used for softening water (and let us know if its a different one), as has been already brought out it would be best all around (for you and the fish) if you maintained only fish more appreciative to your water. I'm not aware of any cheap way of pre-treating your water to soften it for aquarium use short of using a household water softener, which to me is not the most inexpensive way unless I'm just not thinking of other methods. Getting back to the first point; barring the possibilities of including only hard water loving fish in your aquariums, ion-exchange zeolite water softener pillows can be recharged overnight by placing them in a non-metallic container of water with 6 tbs of salt per gallon (or more -- it won't hurt). A fast rinse in the morning to wash any excess off and pop them back into your filter. Ammonia absorbing zeolite can be recharged in much the same way, overnight in a strong solution of salt. When using these zeolites, be aware at all times that you are using them in those particular tanks. You need to be very careful not to add salt to your aquarium water in these particular tanks if, for instance, your fish have caught a disease. The addition of salt to your aquarium will cause the zeolites to release their take-up of those compounds which they have just absorbed back into the aquarium water. This can be especially harmful (or fatal) if you are using ammonia absorbing zeolite (Ammo-Chips, etc.). As for activated charcoal, I was not aware that this was still on the market. Like activated carbon, it is generally understood that activated charcoal will automatically start releasing those elements (toxic or not) which it has steadily been absorbing until such time it has become "saturated". The "saturation" period of these filter media will vary, depending upon how much disolved matter they are being exposed to in the given volume of water, also including any new water added during changes. The average practical life for activated carbon or charcoal is somewhere around 4 weeks, possibly up to 6 weeks, but there is no way of knowing when it will start releasing toxic elements back into the water column. For this reason, it is generally conceded not to use it as a long-term medium, and to keep its use restricted to the absorption of used medications, dyes, etc. If you still prefer to use the activated charcoal and with keeping these points in mind, this filter medium can also be recharged. Forty to fifty years ago, we used to recharge activated charcoal by first boiling it and pouring off the dirty water, and then baking it in an oven at 350o or so for half an hour. I don't remember exactly when activated carbon first came on the scene, but I know I was using activated charcoal (and glass wool, LOL) into the '70's. By the late, '80's activated carbon had come on to the scene and has been the medium of choice (over a/charcoal) , so it appears that somewhere in between, it was introduced. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cynthia brennemann" <brennewoman@...> wrote: > > I use sponge filters with activated charcoal and zeolite in them. It > is getting pricey to keep buying replacement packets and media and I > was wondering if there is a way to recharge the old, soiled filters and > filter media? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17112	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

> Why do you feel you need to use the activated carbon and the zeolite? > > Activated carbon should only be used when indicated, such as to remove > medication or tannins from the water. Well, I use peat to help acidify the water, which releases tannins in the water, so it does absorb that. As to why I use carbon, it comes in the filter packets I buy from the store, is all. I added zeolite when we started having guppy overload and the ammonia levels would get out of hand by the end of every week. We've since gotten rid of most of the guppies, but I've just gotten used to using it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17113	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

Thank you...that was very helpful and informative. I will give it a try and see if it is worth the extra effort. and I misspoke, it wasn't activated charcoal, but carbon.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17114	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208

They are just balls of naturally occuring algae that grow in clusters...Unless my plecostamus or snails have been eating divots in them, they grow naturally into perfectly round balls. They aren't a gimmick, just a type of algae that is more ornamental than the hair algae. :P > Algae balls? > Sounds an interesting concept. I've never heard of them before, how exactly > do they work?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17115	From: Evita	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208

Ash, The thing that got me was he had the tank 10 years sitting by the door-way and didn't know how to take it apart. He said he would probably buy a bigger one when he moved too. If he had the money he would be better off going to one of those places I have heard of that rents the tanks and services them. Have you ever heard of those? Like they put up tanks in business offices and then take care of them. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: Oh dear. Maybe it is a good thing that he didnt attempt to look after anything more 'complicated' than fish, like a dog or a bird! Perhaps he will be happy with one of those electronic/magnetic fish tanks? LOL Ash. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17116	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Experiment

I've been breeding bettas for about a year, now, and this time I decided to leave the males in with the babies. I was told by a few breeders it would not work as after the three day period where the male is putting the babies back into the bubble nest, he starts eating them. But I've noticed that the male will suck up the babies in his mouth, clean them, and then spit them, unharmed, into an area where there is more to eat. They seem to thrive. I'm thinking he might eat a few of the malformed ones, or sick ones, but so far, the majority of his mouthing seems to be temporary.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17117	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209

Oh i see. Well i dont have any plants in my tank at all for a good reason. My fish massacre them within a few days. So i guess ill have to give the algae balls a miss aswell :P ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri Jun 2, 2006 7:46 am (PDT) From: "cynthia brennemann" brennewoman@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208 They are just balls of naturally occuring algae that grow in clusters...Unless my plecostamus or snails have been eating divots in them, they grow naturally into perfectly round balls. They aren't a gimmick, just a type of algae that is more ornamental than the hair algae. :P > Algae balls? > Sounds an interesting concept. I've never heard of them before, how exactly > do they work?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17118	From: Ash	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209

Lol, that is strange. It is a wonder the fish were alive at all. I'm with you in hoping he doesnt plan to buy a bigger tank. I dont think he should rent one either ! ----- Original Message ----- Message: 9 Date: Fri Jun 2, 2006 8:02 am (PDT) From: "Evita" evitabug@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 1208 Ash, The thing that got me was he had the tank 10 years sitting by the door-way and didn't know how to take it apart. He said he would probably buy a bigger one when he moved too. If he had the money he would be better off going to one of those places I have heard of that rents the tanks and services them. Have you ever heard of those? Like they put up tanks in business offices and then take care of them. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: Oh dear. Maybe it is a good thing that he didnt attempt to look after anything more 'complicated' than fish, like a dog or a bird! Perhaps he will be happy with one of those electronic/magnetic fish tanks? LOL Ash.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17119	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

Cynthia, Well, it looks like your guppies overran your biological processes. This really should not happen, except that your tank may have been way overstocked. Just keep an eye on your stocking level and do away with the zeolite. It is not doing your biological filter any good. If there is an ammonia problem after you remove the zeolite, your tank may need to be cycled again. If this is the case, use something like Amquel to control the ammonia. Amquel will make the ammonia non-toxic to your critters but it does not inhibit the bacteria that need to be developed as part of your biological filtration. Tannins can be a visual problem. You will need to decide how much coloration you can put up with in the water. The only fish you mention are the guppies, which do better in harder water, as is the case with many livebearers. I can't intelligently comment on whether you should be softening the water in this manner without knowing what else you may have for fish. If it is necessary to soften the water, there are products made for that that will not color the water, and they can be recharged for a time. It would be best to do this in a separate container, not in the tank. A better description of your setup would help. What size is the tank, what fish are you keeping, what size are they. Then we can give you advice based on what you have, and not just theoretical discussions. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cynthia brennemann Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:26 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about filter media > Why do you feel you need to use the activated carbon and the zeolite? > > Activated carbon should only be used when indicated, such as to remove > medication or tannins from the water. Well, I use peat to help acidify the water, which releases tannins in the water, so it does absorb that. As to why I use carbon, it comes in the filter packets I buy from the store, is all. I added zeolite when we started having guppy overload and the ammonia levels would get out of hand by the end of every week. We've since gotten rid of most of the guppies, but I've just gotten used to using it.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17120	From: Cory	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: New to your group - betta/white ring?

I'm new to your group and am having a problem with 2 bettas. They are in a 10 gallon aquarium and are separated by a divider in the middle. One of them has developed a white ring around one eye and it is getting very "puffy". The other one has the white ring, but it is much smaller. Can anyone tell me what this might be and what, if anything, I can do to save my bettas. They are beautiful, red and blue. The one with the larger eye is very lethargic, also. Thanks in advance for any/all information. Cory

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17121	From: obrendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: How hot can the tank get ?

I just set up a 65 gallon "fish only" salt water but I have noticed that 2 days in a row the tank is at 84. I have been told that is too hot and that is ok but really which one is it. The fish look good and are still eating but really how hot is too hot. I have 4 triggers, butterfly, dog face puffer, 2 tangs and a really cute guy that I'm not sure what he is. As you can tell I am new at this so hopefully someone out there can straighten me out on this. Do I need to get a chiller for a fish only tank ?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17122	From: rhayneslcsw	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: New Member with a white worm Question

I have an aquarium with an Oscar fish. I have noticed that there are little white worm looking things floating around in the tank and sticking to the sides. Does anyone know what this might be??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17123	From: Evita	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209

He had a toy Poddle too. Evita Ash <ash_nug@...> wrote: Lol, that is strange. It is a wonder the fish were alive at all. I'm with you in hoping he doesnt plan to buy a bigger tank. I dont think he should rent one either ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17124	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Bigger Tank

Hi, I'm new to this group. My experience with Fish is mostly experimental. I currently have a 3" long Oscar that I am moving to a bigger tank and am not sure about how to prepare the new tank for transfer. How long do you suggest cycvling water?? Regina Haynes, MSW, LCSW "Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17125	From: rjtroon	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Clown Loaches

I recently purchased two mature clown loaches from a private party. They are a few years old, approximately 5-6 inches long and 2-3 inches high. They have been in my 125 gallon tank for a week and a half now. Both of them wedged themselves into a small cave upon entering the tank. One comes out on rare occasions at night only, but the other one has never come out except the two times I forced him out of the cave (by removing it for a few minutes) to be sure he's still alive. I know they take time to adapt, and older ones probably take more time than young ones. But how long is long enough? I don't know if they are eating at all. Should I remove the caves in the tank? I'm afraid of stressing them out, too. How should I deal with this dilemma? RJ

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17126	From: rjtroon	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Red Line Shark

I've been thinking about adding a red-line shark to my 125 gallon tank. They're really expensive ($40 locally), but beautiful. I have a red-finned shark in the tank already who makes it known he is the boss of the tank (he's probably about 4" long). Is he likely to leave the red-line alone or will he torture it to its death? RJ

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17127	From: steve	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark

i found redline sharks at pet supplies plus for 16 dollars they were only about an inch and a half or 2 inches long but they gave me 7 day warranty 1 died before i got it home and other died about 3 or 4 days later i would suggest if there is a pet supplies plus around you go there and try and get 1 first i have a rainbow shark in my tank not sure if he was the 1 that killed him or not and then got a 3rd 1 from a shop that was close to my house and he also only made it a couple days this was a new tank setup with a few tetras in it so i don t know maybe the tank needed to stablize more but i don t think i am gonna get another 1 anytime soon or until i can afford a larger 1 but at least i got the money back for 2 of them --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rjtroon" <rjtroon@...> wrote: > > I've been thinking about adding a red-line shark to my 125 gallon > tank. They're really expensive ($40 locally), but beautiful. > > I have a red-finned shark in the tank already who makes it known he is > the boss of the tank (he's probably about 4" long). Is he likely to > leave the red-line alone or will he torture it to its death? > > RJ >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17128	From: steve	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches

while i am not an expert i had a pakastine loach with the same problem i have found out that the PH is not correct and that is why they don t come out when PH isn t perfect for them or what they r use to try changing the PH up or down whichever is needed maybe that will work --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rjtroon" <rjtroon@...> wrote: > > I recently purchased two mature clown loaches from a private party. > They are a few years old, approximately 5-6 inches long and 2-3 inches > high. > > They have been in my 125 gallon tank for a week and a half now. Both > of them wedged themselves into a small cave upon entering the tank. > One comes out on rare occasions at night only, but the other one has > never come out except the two times I forced him out of the cave (by > removing it for a few minutes) to be sure he's still alive. > > I know they take time to adapt, and older ones probably take more time > than young ones. But how long is long enough? I don't know if they > are eating at all. Should I remove the caves in the tank? I'm afraid > of stressing them out, too. > > How should I deal with this dilemma? > > RJ >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17129	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?

Sounds like popeye...I use maracyn2 for it if and when it shows up. had an awful problem with it a few years back, but not lately

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17130	From: wendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches

They sound stressed. What else is in the tank? You might want to get a couple of smaller ones to add to the group Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rjtroon Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:41 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Clown Loaches I recently purchased two mature clown loaches from a private party. They are a few years old, approximately 5-6 inches long and 2-3 inches high. They have been in my 125 gallon tank for a week and a half now. Both of them wedged themselves into a small cave upon entering the tank. One comes out on rare occasions at night only, but the other one has never come out except the two times I forced him out of the cave (by removing it for a few minutes) to be sure he's still alive. I know they take time to adapt, and older ones probably take more time than young ones. But how long is long enough? I don't know if they are eating at all. Should I remove the caves in the tank? I'm afraid of stressing them out, too. How should I deal with this dilemma? RJ Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine fish Marine supply fish Marine aquarium fish Marine fish tank Marine fish supply Marine fish screensaver ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17131	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

The guppies definately overran the biological process...we got them first for the kids, because they were pretty. And ever since, we have never been able to get rid of them. When we don't pay attention they completely overtake the tank. We did have a big old angelfish that ate the baby guppies as soon as they were born and thus kept them thinned to manageable levels, but when my daughter bought a dwarf puffer, it killed the angel, and the guppies began breeding uncontrolably. We currently have neon, black neon, and gold tetras, two young angelfish, two long tailed daino's, two female bettas, a couple of clousn loaches, an uncountable hoard of guppies we want rid of but seem to escape our thinning processes, a large plceo, and a bunch of cories. Then we have two betta breeding tanks that we put the male bettas in and take the females to them from time to time. IT usually works fine for us, loads of plants in all three tanks. The large community tank is a 65 gallon tank. The two betta breeding tanks are arund 30 gallons each. We honestly haven't had any problem with diseases or fish tolerance (other than guppy overpopulation and the occasional fish we loose when we forget to put the lid down and a cat goes fishing), for the last two years since we started our current setup

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17132	From: wendie	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bigger Tank

I just moved a bunch of fish over to two new tanks that I had set up two days before the move. I do the following.... Run two filters on the old tank and then switch one over to the new tank (at least three weeks). Take all the caves, rocks, and plants I can switch to the new tank Take water from the old tank. Take some of the gravel from the old tank to seed with I then use Bio Spira with prime on stand by. The two tanks have been running just a day or so over two weeks and the readings taken this morning are.... 0 - 0 - 10 Wendie -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Regina Haynes Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 8:32 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Bigger Tank Hi, I'm new to this group. My experience with Fish is mostly experimental. I currently have a 3" long Oscar that I am moving to a bigger tank and am not sure about how to prepare the new tank for transfer. How long do you suggest cycvling water?? Regina Haynes, MSW, LCSW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17133	From: llrdhsktr	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Old starting anew

My last fish passed away two weeks ago in a tank that has been running for over 6 years. I want to start with new critters, but am wondering if the tank has been running with no animals in it-other than algae- for over two weeks, that the biological filter may have diminished or died. The light has been turned off all this time, but all filters- fluval 204, eclipse biowheel, airstone and UV sterilizer have running 24/7. It was originally a cold water tank with goldfish, but I have placed a heater in it to prepare it for tropicals. 25 gallon tall tank, gravel cleaned and 50% water changed out after the last fish passed on, bacteria added regular. pH is 7.0, nitrate is virtually zero, but haven't tested for nitrite yet. Don't know water hardness; I live in the San Francisco area. If I needed to cycle this tank over again without fish, how much ammonia should I add to start off with? Lester

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17134	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?

Thanks.....is this a pet store product or do I need to go somewhere else? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17135	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Clown Loaches

Clowns are usually not that shy. You need to make them feel at home and forcing one out of its hiding cave has just done opposite to it. Keep the tank in darkness for a couple of days and add some pond snails to the tank as clown food as this will help them over come their fear of venturing out. Don’t use Malaysian trumpet snails as on a few occasions I have seen that clowns have some difficulty in eradicating them. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjtroon Sent: 03 June 2006 17:41 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Clown Loaches I recently purchased two mature clown loaches from a private party. They are a few years old, approximately 5-6 inches long and 2-3 inches high. They have been in my 125 gallon tank for a week and a half now. Both of them wedged themselves into a small cave upon entering the tank. One comes out on rare occasions at night only, but the other one has never come out except the two times I forced him out of the cave (by removing it for a few minutes) to be sure he's still alive. I know they take time to adapt, and older ones probably take more time than young ones. But how long is long enough? I don't know if they are eating at all. Should I remove the caves in the tank? I'm afraid of stressing them out, too. How should I deal with this dilemma? RJ Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Marine+su pply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+supply& w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=1aJTT8cq_h-JhCXOzKkp0w> fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+supply+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vDoiB6p0z0faM1QNsZ6YRQ> supply fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+aquarium+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2= Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fis h+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=yPzIKsb1xVhEQSaS104MRA> aquarium fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+tank&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Mari ne+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+su pply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vd0tB0ww_NfZeIdd1ub8HA> fish tank Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+supply&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=AoT2JiBLCHCynoFXVrg2tw> fish supply Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+screensaver&w1=Marine+fish& w2=Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+ fish+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=qtzt6gETEx-_VPAWs6bt8g > fish screensaver _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17136	From: Nimish Mathur	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark

Red line barbs are I think slightly more delicate then regular barbs.. they were in the CITES list of threatened species once but have recovered from that situation since. I doubt that a red tailed shark will harass any other fish (except the likes of flying foxes and other cousins) to the level that harms the fish. Yes, they do like to pose their dominance but its not too much aggression in most cases. If you get 4-5 of the red line barbs then they will be happier and also will not be stressed if the shark decides to chase them they really do love to be in large groups and are not happy in smaller numbers. Nim _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjtroon Sent: 03 June 2006 17:44 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Red Line Shark I've been thinking about adding a red-line shark to my 125 gallon tank. They're really expensive ($40 locally), but beautiful. I have a red-finned shark in the tank already who makes it known he is the boss of the tank (he's probably about 4" long). Is he likely to leave the red-line alone or will he torture it to its death? RJ Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Marine+su pply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+supply& w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=1aJTT8cq_h-JhCXOzKkp0w> fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+supply+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vDoiB6p0z0faM1QNsZ6YRQ> supply fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+aquarium+fish&w1=Marine+fish&w2= Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fis h+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=yPzIKsb1xVhEQSaS104MRA> aquarium fish Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+tank&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Mari ne+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+su pply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=vd0tB0ww_NfZeIdd1ub8HA> fish tank Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+supply&w1=Marine+fish&w2=Ma rine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+fish+ supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=AoT2JiBLCHCynoFXVrg2tw> fish supply Marine <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Marine+fish+screensaver&w1=Marine+fish& w2=Marine+supply+fish&w3=Marine+aquarium+fish&w4=Marine+fish+tank&w5=Marine+ fish+supply&w6=Marine+fish+screensaver&c=6&s=142&.sig=qtzt6gETEx-_VPAWs6bt8g > fish screensaver _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AquaticLife <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17137	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?

Cory, You do not provide us with enough information to make a reliable diagnosis. First thing I would look at right now is water quality. What is your ammonia reading, nitrite? What pH? What temperature are you keeping the bettas at? \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cory Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:53 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New to your group - betta/white ring? I'm new to your group and am having a problem with 2 bettas. They are in a 10 gallon aquarium and are separated by a divider in the middle. One of them has developed a white ring around one eye and it is getting very "puffy". The other one has the white ring, but it is much smaller. Can anyone tell me what this might be and what, if anything, I can do to save my bettas. They are beautiful, red and blue. The one with the larger eye is very lethargic, also. Thanks in advance for any/all information. Cory

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17138	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: How hot can the tank get ?

I do not do marines, so I am not aware of the temperature range of the fishes you list. There are a couple of things you do not mention as for the temperature of your tank. Most important at this time of the year, and throughout the summer is the room temperature. Is your room temperature at 84^o or above? If not, then you need to lower the control on the thermostat on your heater to reach a more suitable temperature for your fish, whatever that may be. If the room is cooler than the tank, and lowering the thermostat control on your heater does not work, look for a new heater. On a tank that size, I'd suggest two heaters with a total wattage equivalent to what you need to maintain the temperature of the tank dependent on the room temperature (the number of degrees you need to keep the water above the normal room temperature is an important factor in sizing heaters) and the size of your tank. Assuming normal room temperature and a few degrees above room temperature, you are probably looking for a total of 100-200 watts. The use of two heaters will help prevent an over heating of the tank should one malfunction (thermostat stuck in a closed position) and help maintain a temperature should one fail stuck in an open position. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of obrendie Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] How hot can the tank get ? I just set up a 65 gallon "fish only" salt water but I have noticed that 2 days in a row the tank is at 84. I have been told that is too hot and that is ok but really which one is it. The fish look good and are still eating but really how hot is too hot. I have 4 triggers, butterfly, dog face puffer, 2 tangs and a really cute guy that I'm not sure what he is. As you can tell I am new at this so hopefully someone out there can straighten me out on this. Do I need to get a chiller for a fish only tank ?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17139	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question

Not much of a description, but the could be planaria. There are a few fish that will eat them. Generally, planaria are a sign of overfeeding of your fish and/or poor tank maintenance, though they may also arrive in some live foods. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhayneslcsw Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:14 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] New Member with a white worm Question I have an aquarium with an Oscar fish. I have noticed that there are little white worm looking things floating around in the tank and sticking to the sides. Does anyone know what this might be??

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17140	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

The guppy is also sometimes called the millions fish. Wanna guess why? <g>. Once you get some growth on those young angels, you'll probably have a built-in guppy control patrol. Meanwhile you'll just need to keep scooping. Maybe you have a friend who can use them as feeders--get them to come over and do the scooping for you. Sounds like you have a pretty nice setup going there. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cynthia brennemann Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:22 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Question about filter media The guppies definately overran the biological process...we got them first for the kids, because they were pretty. And ever since, we have never been able to get rid of them. When we don't pay attention they completely overtake the tank. We did have a big old angelfish that ate the baby guppies as soon as they were born and thus kept them thinned to manageable levels, but when my daughter bought a dwarf puffer, it killed the angel, and the guppies began breeding uncontrolably. We currently have neon, black neon, and gold tetras, two young angelfish, two long tailed daino's, two female bettas, a couple of clousn loaches, an uncountable hoard of guppies we want rid of but seem to escape our thinning processes, a large plceo, and a bunch of cories. Then we have two betta breeding tanks that we put the male bettas in and take the females to them from time to time. IT usually works fine for us, loads of plants in all three tanks. The large community tank is a 65 gallon tank. The two betta breeding tanks are arund 30 gallons each. We honestly haven't had any problem with diseases or fish tolerance (other than guppy overpopulation and the occasional fish we loose when we forget to put the lid down and a cat goes fishing), for the last two years since we started our current setup

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17141	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Old starting anew

You will probably be alright to start adding fish to your tank. What happens is when a food source for the bacteria diminishes or disappears, a certain number will go into a hibernation state and some will die off. If you just add a few fish, the bacteria will come out of hibernation, and the cycle will start anew. You might have a mini-cycle as this happens, but it should not affect the fish, unless you choose fish that are highly susceptible to nitrogenous wastes. The only problem with this, other than the aforementioned fish, is that additional fish will need to be quarantined prior to moving them to their new home to prevent disease from being introduced. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of llrdhsktr Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:02 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Old starting anew My last fish passed away two weeks ago in a tank that has been running for over 6 years. I want to start with new critters, but am wondering if the tank has been running with no animals in it-other than algae- for over two weeks, that the biological filter may have diminished or died. The light has been turned off all this time, but all filters- fluval 204, eclipse biowheel, airstone and UV sterilizer have running 24/7. It was originally a cold water tank with goldfish, but I have placed a heater in it to prepare it for tropicals. 25 gallon tall tank, gravel cleaned and 50% water changed out after the last fish passed on, bacteria added regular. pH is 7.0, nitrate is virtually zero, but haven't tested for nitrite yet. Don't know water hardness; I live in the San Francisco area. If I needed to cycle this tank over again without fish, how much ammonia should I add to start off with? Lester

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17142	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Red Line Shark

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17143	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question

The fish store told me it was from overfeeding. I got rid of them however. They were just tiny little worms that just showed up. There were about 1/4 inch long and looked like little white strings. Nothing else to say about them. Regina Haynes, MSW, LCSW "Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17144	From: snerticus	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Member with a white worm Question

There are two possibilities what these "worms" might be. Without actually looking at them, we can only guess. However the discription of "little strings" dismisses the planaria theory. I have both planaria and "little strings" white worms in my tanks. Both are actually beneficial and will not harm the fish or inverts in the tanks. They will, however get out of hand when the water quality starts to decline. The planaria feed on bacteria, thus when the water quality gets bad and bacteria bloom, so do the planaria. They are not fish parasites. The other worm, which I have yet to identify scientifically, I found comes in with plants and probably fish water where plants have been. I think the worms may eat bacteria too, as they are very prevalent in my "pod tank" (where I have aquatic isopods, amphipods {or scuds, gammarus}, copepods, and ostracods) from what I understand, my copepods prey on planaria, which is probably why I have a ton of copepods and very little planaria. On the other hand, the white worms are all over, and like to hang out at times near the water's surface attached to the tank wall. They are usually less than 1/4 inch long, but I found one wiggling in mid-water once that was about an inch. That was when I saw that it was segmented! I know that smaller fish enjoy these worms, and since they usually hang out near plants (my "pod tank" has lots of floating plants) they are probably scavengers on dead plant material. I heard that they come in on duckweed, and I do indeed have some small clumps of duckweed that I am unsure where they came from. However, I have bought plants at a LFS before that were not duckweed and these worms were attached to the roots. At first I was suspicious and concerned, but further research on the internet and my own experience has shown that they are not a threat. Keep in mind there are different kinds of worms and planaria that ARE parasitic threats, therefore the critters need to be positively identified to be sure. But what you describe sounds like what I've talked about. Snert --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Regina Haynes <rhayneslcsw@...> wrote: > > The fish store told me it was from overfeeding. I got rid of them however. They were just tiny little worms that just showed up. There were about 1/4 inch long and looked like little white strings. Nothing else to say about them. > > Regina Haynes, MSW, LCSW

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17145	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

Hehe..yeah, we figured that out. Our earliest fish disaster with our first tank occurred because we had gotten guppies, platies, and endlers livebearers. Then, when we had to leave town for a couple of months and came back, the tank was nearly thick with fish! I'm hoping those angelfish will help out with things...the larger one seems to be trying already. We have been (hangs head, ashamed) scooping them out and putting them in the water for the raccoons outside. > The guppy is also sometimes called the millions fish. Wanna guess why? <g>. > > Once you get some growth on those young angels, you'll probably have a > built-in guppy control patrol. Meanwhile you'll just need to keep scooping. > Maybe you have a friend who can use them as feeders--get them to come over > and do the scooping for you. > > Sounds like you have a pretty nice setup going there. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17146	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment

Well, the male in the first batch I saw suck a couple of babies into his mouth, and expell only the larger one. The smaller one he apparantly swallowed. I went to check my sources and they said he would only eat the malformed or weak babies...so I'm biting my lip and biding my time.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17147	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: New to your group - betta/white ring?

I got the maracyn2.....the popeye is going away, but he is still rather lethargic.....he's staying on the bottom a lot......my water temp and everything is where it should be and he's coming up and eating.....just not as active as he was. Anyway, thanks for the tip on the maracyn.......Cory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17148	From: hank voss	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cynthia brennemann" <brennewoman@...> wrote: > Hi: By this weekend i think you will find very few young left.Bettas are not selective about what fry they eat once they become free swimming Lots of luck Hank ===================== > Well, the male in the first batch I saw suck a couple of babies into > his mouth, and expell only the larger one. The smaller one he > apparantly swallowed. I went to check my sources and they said he > would only eat the malformed or weak babies...so I'm biting my lip and > biding my time. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17149	From: Evita	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Question about filter media

I have guppies and I love the fact they are live bearers. I used to fish out the babies and put them in a nursery tank. But now I let the natural way go. Some get eatten and the best grow too big to eat. I have had my tank a long time and it isn't full. I guess you had several different ones breeding all at the same time. Evita cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: Hehe..yeah, we figured that out. Our earliest fish disaster with our first tank occurred because we had gotten guppies, platies, and endlers livebearers. Then, when we had to leave town for a couple of months and came back, the tank was nearly thick with fish! I'm hoping those angelfish will help out with things...the larger one seems to be trying already. We have been (hangs head, ashamed) scooping them out and putting them in the water for the raccoons outside. > The guppy is also sometimes called the millions fish. Wanna guess why? <g>. > > Once you get some growth on those young angels, you'll probably have a > built-in guppy control patrol. Meanwhile you'll just need to keep scooping. > Maybe you have a friend who can use them as feeders--get them to come over > and do the scooping for you. > > Sounds like you have a pretty nice setup going there. > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. SPONSORED LINKS Marine fish Marine supply fish Marine aquarium fish Marine fish tank Marine fish supply Marine fish screensaver --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AquaticLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AquaticLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17150	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment

Thanks. I guess we'll see :) > Hi: > By this weekend i think you will find very few young left.Bettas > are not selective about what fry they eat once they become free > swimming > Lots of luck Hank > >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17151	From: Sandra	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: new fish group

hello everyone, There is a new group for those who love gouramis at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Gourami_Fish_Fans . Would like to have people on the group who wish to post and share photos and information with the group. Thanks. Sandra

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17152	From: Sandra	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: new list your groups group

There is a new group that just started for those who wish to come and promote their groups, or groups that they are on, at,http://groups.yahoo.com/group/List_Your_Groups_Here

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17153	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Thinking about live plants

I am tossing around the idea of adding live plants to one of my tanks (which will house angels and discus.) I know that there is a lot involved and I absolutely can not buy anymore equipment or spend much more time on maintenance. Is this something I should even be thinking about or should I just stick with the sad plastic plants? The last time I tried this (though I didn't try very hard), they died and left a huge, hard to clean mess. They were the floating type. Any opinions? Is it possible to keep live plants without the co2 and special lighting? Thanks, Leslie and a bunch of fish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17154	From: Shannon Mulberry	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants

Had live plants in with my young discus, they seemed (K) with them but they just weren't as happy as in a tank without. You may run into a problem with the angels and discus, the angels are more ravinous eaters persay than discus. The discus don't fall under the 3-5 minute food comsumption rule give them a 1/2 hour to savor their food, they eat extremely slow. Plants went with ones not requiring special lighting (happy with natural light) or any extra CO2 injection, would be content with the filteration that was already on the tank. Do have java moss in for the killis and paradise fish which those tanks have little mini sponge filters (DIY project) which it does just fine. Not a plant expert LOL but did get a list from one of the local club members that would work for the lighting I have available. Shannon Leslie & Dane Moore <5moores@...> wrote: I am tossing around the idea of adding live plants to one of my tanks (which will house angels and discus.) I know that there is a lot involved and I absolutely can not buy anymore equipment or spend much more time on maintenance. Is this something I should even be thinking about or should I just stick with the sad plastic plants? The last time I tried this (though I didn't try very hard), they died and left a huge, hard to clean mess. They were the floating type. Any opinions? Is it possible to keep live plants without the co2 and special lighting? Thanks, Leslie and a bunch of fish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17155	From: hank voss	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I am tossing around the idea of adding live plants to one of my tanks > (which will house angels and discus.) > I know that there is a lot involved and I absolutely can not buy anymore > equipment or spend much more time on maintenance. > Is this something I should even be thinking about or should I just stick > with the sad plastic plants? Leslie: You do not need any special equip. to raise plants.The main thing is light the fish will make the fertilizer. The type of lighting ca be a pain and also the ammount of light. .My personal choice is incandescant though those fixtures are rather scarce now.With flourescent lights you will have to get the right bulbs for the types of plants you intend to keep.It would pay you to talk to someone in your area who has a planted tank. Also if your area has soft water you can have a problem also most plants like some mineral content in the water.Ive found that all plants grow under incandescant but all certain flourescent tubes,Growlux which are for plants usually end up growing algae.Your best bet is to talk to someone in your area and youll have a better chanceof sucess. Hank PS Like you said you can always fall back on plastic some of them look pretty decent now. > The last time I tried this (though I didn't try very hard), they died > and left a huge, hard to clean mess. They were the floating type. > Any opinions? Is it possible to keep live plants without the co2 and > special lighting? > > Thanks, > Leslie and a bunch of fish > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17156	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants

I've never used special lighting or co2 to keep my plants alive. The substrate is one of the big things where live plants are concerned...and adding substrate after the fact is problematic. Also, the more plants you have, the easier it is to keep them alive, as when you put in a couple of plants, the fish tend to pick at them till they die. With a lot of plants, a few picks per plant won't kill them.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17157	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Experiment

Well, still loads of baby bettas swimming around. They seem to be getting big so FAST! The daddy fish tends to eat the smallest, weakest of the bunch, but for the most part contents himself with bloodworms and squished snails. He is still very protective about the babies...coming up and nipping on my fingers when I go to squish snails...LOL Feisty. I can see the difference in light bodied and dark bodied babies already. Wow they grow fast!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17158	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: can I add a flowerhorn?

I have a 150 gallon with 3 Parrots, 1 Firemouth, 1 white Severum, 1 Convict, 1 Jewel, 1 Rainbow Shark and 1 Pleco. Is it safe to add a flowerhorn with this population? I'm thinking of adding a fish in around the 4" range. Would love some advice and pros and cons thanks Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17159	From: supamii	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?

Well I'm sure its not difficult to agree we all dread the cyanobacteria that grows along-side, over, and under literally everything in the tank. The cyano is not really something that annoys me - but as an indicator of poor water quality its a bit of a concern. I've been trying to maintain my water changes and other things.. blah blah.. and finally I decided to get one of those japanese MOSS BALLS. I basically ripped the moss ball open and spreaded it out as a big clump. I was going to just make 2 or 3 moss balls out of it. It just so happens that I put it over a large sheet of cyano and within 20 or so minutes the cynao around the area is gone- and whats even more bizzare is that the edges of the sheet seem to be turning into a very lush crimson red pigment. To describe whats happening, it looks like the cyano is BLEEDING - or something to that effect. Can anyone give me an explanation or thoughts of what is going on here? I find this very facinating.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17160	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?

Magdalena. Skip the flower horn. It will get BIG and eventually beat up or eat the other fish. Very aggressive fish. Mike -----Original Message----- From: eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:09:48 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] can I add a flowerhorn? I have a 150 gallon with 3 Parrots, 1 Firemouth, 1 white Severum, 1 Convict, 1 Jewel, 1 Rainbow Shark and 1 Pleco. Is it safe to add a flowerhorn with this population? I'm thinking of adding a fish in around the 4" range. Would love some advice and pros and cons thanks Magdalena ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17161	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?

Odd...distinctly odd. hope you haven't killed your moss balls. I've never had a problem with the cyanobacteria in my tanks, but I've got those moss balls in all the tanks, too. It's possible that you are seeing phytoremediation at its finest, with the moss balls absorbing it and turning it into something else. > Well I'm sure its not difficult to agree we all dread the > cyanobacteria that grows along-side, over, and under literally > everything in the tank. The cyano is not really something that annoys > me - but as an indicator of poor water quality its a bit of a concern. > > I've been trying to maintain my water changes and other things.. blah > blah.. and finally I decided to get one of those japanese MOSS BALLS. > > I basically ripped the moss ball open and spreaded it out as a big > clump. I was going to just make 2 or 3 moss balls out of it. > > It just so happens that I put it over a large sheet of cyano and > within 20 or so minutes the cynao around the area is gone- and whats > even more bizzare is that the edges of the sheet seem to be turning > into a very lush crimson red pigment. > > To describe whats happening, it looks like the cyano is BLEEDING - or > something to that effect. > > Can anyone give me an explanation or thoughts of what is going on > here? I find this very facinating. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17162	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?

They're pretty agressive aren't they? Eat anything that can fit in their mouths? I'd really think twice about that choice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17163	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?

ops, thanks for that response. I'll think of something else to add then.. magdalena cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: They're pretty agressive aren't they? Eat anything that can fit in their mouths? I'd really think twice about that choice __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17164	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?

he he that was quick and easy... I'll think of something else to add instead. thanks for your answer Magdalena Deenerz@... wrote: Magdalena. Skip the flower horn. It will get BIG and eventually beat up or eat the other fish. Very aggressive fish. Mike -----Original Message----- From: eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:09:48 -0000 Subject: [AquaticLife] can I add a flowerhorn? I have a 150 gallon with 3 Parrots, 1 Firemouth, 1 white Severum, 1 Convict, 1 Jewel, 1 Rainbow Shark and 1 Pleco. Is it safe to add a flowerhorn with this population? I'm thinking of adding a fish in around the 4" range. Would love some advice and pros and cons thanks Magdalena __________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17165	From: supamii	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?

Cynthia, I think you would also be interested in photos of what I deem a phenomenon. http://sdcc21.ucsd.edu/~sapham/moss/ The images are 0.jpg.. etc. You will notice that the sheet of cyano is almost being pulled into the moss ball. =) I've got a super phytoremediative thing going on! I also think that perhaps all of this has to take into account the that moss balls are algae - not the ordinary plant like java ferns or things of that sort. --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "cynthia brennemann" <brennewoman@...> wrote: > > Odd...distinctly odd. hope you haven't killed your moss balls. I've > never had a problem with the cyanobacteria in my tanks, but I've got > those moss balls in all the tanks, too. It's possible that you are > seeing phytoremediation at its finest, with the moss balls absorbing > it and turning it into something else.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17166	From: lilmicnbac	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Lobster Art- speaks to me!

Hello all... While I was back home, I ran into a co-director of an art gallery. She is in the prepublicity stages of promoting Neil Young's artist, James Mazzeo. They are in the middle of an amazing project called The United States Series. You can check it out at the website www.thepeoplesartgallery.com Anyways, James Mazzeo did three lobster paintings: Still-Life With Lobster Painting (just click on Artist Proof #5 and you will see it), Big Lobster & Lobster (Artist Proof #4). The prints are available in editions of 36, all signed titled and numbered by James Mazzeo. Each print even has its own registry number! I just bought all three lobster paintings, and they are amazing! Don't know how many are left. I thought people in this group might be interested in checking them out! From one aquatic lover to another, Jess

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17167	From: Judy R	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants

Hi Leslie, Being one who has ventured keeping Discus and Angelfish; I suggest you not put the two species in the same tank. There are parasites that Angelfish can tolerate that Discus cannot. Also, being to the delicate nature (of sorts) of Discus, I would suggest a bare bottom tank for them...no frills. I had an undergravel filter and plastic plants and it was nothing but a headache. It's just a breeding ground for bacteria. If anything, perhaps you can learn from my BIG mistake. I am happy to report that I only lost two of my precious Discus and managed to nurse my others back to health. If you would like more information on Discus Care, etc. go to www.simplydiscus.com There is a wealth of information there! Enjoy your tanks!

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17168	From: sean bond madrazo	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: hello all

Just here to promote my grp which aims to advertise our store in quezon ave corner edsa. We cater to hobbyists of plants, birds, fish, pets, toys, comic books, stones, crystals and many more. Hope you join and find something you like, ty ty PHILIPPINEHOBBIES

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17169	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about live plants

I won't have an undergravel filter as everything I can find regarding angels says to absolutely not have one. So that wouldn't be a factor. My angels will already be in the tank then the discus will be introduced later. All the other fish are already in the tank and established as healthy so I don't think I should have any problems with the transfer of parasites. The only thing I have found to be a small concern is their feeding habits. The angels gobble up quickly while the discus take a long time. I like to hand feed my fish anyway so I will take care of the discus that way while giving the angels something to snack on to distract them. =) Thank you so much for the link. I look forward to checking it out later today! =) Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy R Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:20 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Thinking about live plants Hi Leslie, Being one who has ventured keeping Discus and Angelfish; I suggest you not put the two species in the same tank. There are parasites that Angelfish can tolerate that Discus cannot. Also, being to the delicate nature (of sorts) of Discus, I would suggest a bare bottom tank for them...no frills. I had an undergravel filter and plastic plants and it was nothing but a headache. It's just a breeding ground for bacteria. If anything, perhaps you can learn from my BIG mistake. I am happy to report that I only lost two of my precious Discus and managed to nurse my others back to health. If you would like more information on Discus Care, etc. go to www.simplydiscus.com There is a wealth of information there! Enjoy your tanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17170	From: Ash	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1215

A great way to share experience & ask ?sanother post about these mysterious algae balls. is there a website anyone could direct me to so as to see a photo of these things? ----- Original Message ----- 4a. Bloody Cyano - Explanation? Posted by: "supamii" supamii@... supamii Thu Jun 8, 2006 3:37 pm (PST) Well I'm sure its not difficult to agree we all dread the cyanobacteria that grows along-side, over, and under literally everything in the tank. The cyano is not really something that annoys me - but as an indicator of poor water quality its a bit of a concern. I've been trying to maintain my water changes and other things.. blah blah.. and finally I decided to get one of those japanese MOSS BALLS. I basically ripped the moss ball open and spreaded it out as a big clump. I was going to just make 2 or 3 moss balls out of it. It just so happens that I put it over a large sheet of cyano and within 20 or so minutes the cynao around the area is gone- and whats even more bizzare is that the edges of the sheet seem to be turning into a very lush crimson red pigment. To describe whats happening, it looks like the cyano is BLEEDING - or something to that effect. Can anyone give me an explanation or thoughts of what is going on here? I find this very facinating. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17171	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: A light for live plants or too much?

Would this light work or would it be too much? It seems it might cause a lot of algae growth if I'm not careful. My tank is a 46 gal to house angels and discus. Thanks! Leslie http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=23789;categor y_id=2907;pcid1=1843;pcid2= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17172	From: red-eye	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: A light for live plants or too much?

I am fairly certain the corallife bulbs give off a blue light which does not promote plant growthHTH red-eye At 07:47 AM 6/9/2006, you wrote: >Would this light work or would it be too much? It seems it might cause >a lot of algae growth if I'm not careful. My tank is a 46 gal to house >angels and discus. >Thanks! >Leslie > ><http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=23789;categor>http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=23789;categor >y_id=2907;pcid1=1843;pcid2= > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17173	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: A light for live plants or too much?

I have one of these bulbs, primarily for the nice color. It will enhance the discus color. But, it needs to be paired with a bulb in the 6500 K range (the blue one you have is 10,000 K). One 10,000 K bulb will make the whole tank a dark blue color and by itself will probably not be enough to support plants. For the 46 gallon, try to find a twin or triple tube fluorescent fixture that fits. I had success with a twin-tube over a 55 gallon, but now I see that they make triples. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm? pcatid=9869&N=2004+113349 AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Would this light work or would it be too much? It seems it might cause > a lot of algae growth if I'm not careful. My tank is a 46 gal to house > angels and discus. > Thanks! > Leslie > > http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml? product_id=23789;categor > y_id=2907;pcid1=1843;pcid2= > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17174	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1215

www.freshwateraquariumplants.com I've been ordering from them and so far, so good. > is there a website anyone could direct me to so as to see a photo of these things? >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17175	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Bloody Cyano - Explanation?

I think you are on to something there, the filamentous nature of the moss balls seem to be just the thing to absorb it. WTG. > Cynthia, > > I think you would also be interested in photos of what I deem a > phenomenon. > > http://sdcc21.ucsd.edu/~sapham/moss/ > > The images are 0.jpg.. etc. > > You will notice that the sheet of cyano is almost being pulled into > the moss ball. > > =) I've got a super phytoremediative thing going on! I also think > that perhaps all of this has to take into account the that moss balls > are algae - not the ordinary plant like java ferns or things of that sort. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17176	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Black algae? Fungus?

I have some nasty looking black growth growing on all three pieces of driftwood. Is this algae and how do I get rid of it? It's UGly and it's almost jet black. It stands out in a clump form like a ball of fungus. ~L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17177	From: sharporigional	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium

HI All. I am new to this group and have a question about managing the PH levels in my 20 gallen freshwater Tropical fish tank. It seems that I can not get the PH to neutral 7. It wants to stay around 6. Here is what I have done so far, and failed with: I have removed all decorations from the tank to eliminate them as the cause. I have repeated used PH Up products and PH stabelization products. They have not worked. My tap water is alkaline, about 7.6. So, I have tried gradual continous water changes to use the (treated) tap water to balance to acidic. This got my PH up to about 6.8. But, by the next morning the water in the tank was back to PH 6 already! Even the water in the test viles changed from the color indicating 7.6 to the color indicating 6.0 over night simply sitting in the closed vile. All that is left in the tank are the stones, which the pet store said shouldn't be the problem, the heater and the wisper filter system. The ammonia and nitrate and nitrite levels are very good. I can not figure out what else to do to help the fish, which are slowly dying. I am open to all sugesstions. Please HELP.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17178	From: nebula331@yahoo.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Fish may avoid "sexual harassment," researchers say

Fish may avoid "sexual harassment," researchers say Female guppies seem to risk their lives to flee a barrage of male advances, scientists have found. (Article in World Science) http://www.world-science.net/othernews/060608_guppy.htm

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17179	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium

Why bother? Keep fish that would like that kind of pH. There are any number of interesting fish that prefer a slightly acidic water such s you have. Look at tetras, barbs, many South American cichlids are among those to consider. There are also fish that are not particularly sensitive to pH, look at gouramis and other fish from Asia and the subcontinent. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sharporigional Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:18 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium HI All. I am new to this group and have a question about managing the PH levels in my 20 gallen freshwater Tropical fish tank. It seems that I can not get the PH to neutral 7. It wants to stay around 6. Here is what I have done so far, and failed with: I have removed all decorations from the tank to eliminate them as the cause. I have repeated used PH Up products and PH stabelization products. They have not worked. My tap water is alkaline, about 7.6. So, I have tried gradual continous water changes to use the (treated) tap water to balance to acidic. This got my PH up to about 6.8. But, by the next morning the water in the tank was back to PH 6 already! Even the water in the test viles changed from the color indicating 7.6 to the color indicating 6.0 over night simply sitting in the closed vile. All that is left in the tank are the stones, which the pet store said shouldn't be the problem, the heater and the wisper filter system. The ammonia and nitrate and nitrite levels are very good. I can not figure out what else to do to help the fish, which are slowly dying. I am open to all sugesstions. Please HELP.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17180	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium

I use rinsed peat moss in the filters to help combat the situation, and in Omaha, where the water was extremely hard, I used a tablespoon of vinegar in the water as well

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17181	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Tired of digging cichlids

I am so tired of my cichlids rearranging my tank. I can handle it somewhat but lately it looks like the tank is going to fall over due all the gravel being on only one side. Soooo, I am think of giving it a makeover w/ new larger gravel & rocks that they can not dig into. Two concerns come to mind: 1. Biological interference. I know this is where so much of the beneficial bacteria is stored. Should I leave a certain amount of the old gravel in order to cause less of a disturbance? 2. Cleaning. How do I clean the larger rocks? I don't think my python will do the job well enough over the larger stones. But the biological aspect is my main concern. I do not want to interfere with that at all. This won't tick off my fish will it? Not having anything left to dig into? That's their entire life is digging in this stuff. Thanks, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17182	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tired of digging cichlids

Try just adding some larger anchoring rocks, and leaving channels for the cichlids to dig through?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17183	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: what's wrong with their eyes?

One of my Blood Parrots and one of the Oscars have developed something looking like cataract on their eyes. The Oscar even have like small white spots on his corneas. Does anyone know what it is and how to treat it? The Oscar has been a little bit "down" the last couple days and I thought it was just because he ate too much (feed them live fish the other day). Could it be fungus? thankful for any help Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17184	From: Cory Walter	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?

My betta got a white ring around his eye and something that looked like a second skin over it with the ring. Another member said it might be popeye and to get maracin2 at the pet store......I did and it worked. He now has his energy back and the ring and "skin" are gone......not sure if this is what your's has but it might be a starting place for research. Cory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17185	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?

thanks Cory, I'll try that magdalena Cory Walter <wdwwife@...> wrote: My betta got a white ring around his eye and something that looked like a second skin over it with the ring. Another member said it might be popeye and to get maracin2 at the pet store......I did and it worked. He now has his energy back and the ring and "skin" are gone......not sure if this is what your's has but it might be a starting place for research. Cory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17186	From: Ann	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?

The three most common causes of this condition are #1 Poor water quality #2 Bacterial infection #3 eye flukes How long has the tank been up and running? what are your water parameters? pH Ammonia nitrIte and nitrAte levels ----------------------------------- I'd do a big water change first and see if that hepls the condition,you're going to have to do this anywyas before treating with antibiotics-Anne

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17187	From: cody adams	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: can I add a flowerhorn?

I think a flower horn is to aggressive , u might want to think of something thats semi aggressive. but u might want to try a green terror or a jack dempseys --- eandtuta1924 <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: > I have a 150 gallon with 3 Parrots, 1 Firemouth, 1 > white Severum, 1 > Convict, 1 Jewel, 1 Rainbow Shark and 1 Pleco. > Is it safe to add a flowerhorn with this population? > I'm thinking of > adding a fish in around the 4" range. > Would love some advice and pros and cons > thanks > Magdalena > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17188	From: tommy thompson	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: I need HELP fixing the PH in my tropical fish aquarium

I used crushed coral in my tanks at home. Try using about 1/4or less of a cup. It keep my tanks at around 7.6. It will add to the hardness, but the extra calcium will help snail keep their shells. Carefull using Ph stablizers as some have phosphates and can cause algae to grow. The ones I tried also raised the hardness. Hope thhis helps Tommy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17189	From: magdalena jones	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: what's wrong with their eyes?

the water parameters are fine and the tank has just been up for about 3 weeks. Low ammonia around 40 in nitrate and pH a little on the low side. I'm going to try to treat them with Maracyn two today and see if anything improves, thanks for your input Magdalena Ann <beblondie@...> wrote: The three most common causes of this condition are #1 Poor water quality #2 Bacterial infection #3 eye flukes How long has the tank been up and running? what are your water parameters? pH Ammonia nitrIte and nitrAte levels ----------------------------------- I'd do a big water change first and see if that hepls the condition,you're going to have to do this anywyas before treating with antibiotics-Anne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17190	From: Regina Haynes	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Changed everything in my tank, the white worms are back

Ok, I got rid of the little stringy white worms the other week. I bought a larger tank and put all new rocks, water everything in it. The Oscar has been in the new tank for a week and has been doing well after the initial 1-2 day adjustment period. I noticed yesterday that the white worms are floating around in this tank now. Could it be something in the food pellets that I feed him? I feed him HiKari Cichlid Staple. The only two things that are the same between these two tanks is the food and the oscar. Regina Haynes, MSW, LCSW "Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17191	From: thesydmonster	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: What to add?

I am looking for suggestions on tankmates for a 37 gallon tank with 3 botia striata, 3 otos, and a BN pleco. pH 7.8 temp 76F large grain sand bottom with driftwood and plants. What would live happily with them? No guppies, danios, neons or rasboras, please, as we have those in other tanks :) Interests include: pencilfish, rummy nose, rainbows, killies, gouramis, and dwarf cichlids. I just don't know what will do well with the higher pH and hardness and current tank inhabitants. Thanks! Rebecca

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17192	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?

You might want to take a look at some of the dwarf gourami types. Think _Colisa lalia_ if you can find the natural form any more or _Trichogaster chuna_, the honey gourami. _Trichopsis vittata_, the croaking gourami might be nice. There are a number of nice rainbows out there. Just read up on them, as some do get quite large, and you would want to stick with the smaller species in that size tank. Most of them do come from environments with a higher pH. I haven't done rainbows yet, though I may sometime in the future. Gary Lange has been trying to get me to try some for years. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thesydmonster Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:43 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] What to add? I am looking for suggestions on tankmates for a 37 gallon tank with 3 botia striata, 3 otos, and a BN pleco. pH 7.8 temp 76F large grain sand bottom with driftwood and plants. What would live happily with them? No guppies, danios, neons or rasboras, please, as we have those in other tanks :) Interests include: pencilfish, rummy nose, rainbows, killies, gouramis, and dwarf cichlids. I just don't know what will do well with the higher pH and hardness and current tank inhabitants. Thanks! Rebecca

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17193	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: WalMart Puffer?

Hi All, I bought a new fish last night. The store did not have a "care sheet" or proper name for it, so I do not know what kind it is for sure. It did say they are best kept singly or with other large tough fish. It is most likely one of the three listed below. Tetraodon schoutedeni ( spotted congo puffer ) Tetraodon Nigroviridis ( spotted green puffer ) Tetraodon fluviatilis ( green puffer ) I have it in a 55 gallon freshwater community tank with Live plants and some driftwood. The other fish are 13 Neon Tetras, 5 Black Neon Tetras, a male Betta, a wild male guppy, a pair of platys, 1 remaining oto (the other 15 died off slowly from starvation?) and a (dwarf) Clown Pleco. I also bought a little tiny (African?) frog last night that the label says gets to the size of a silver dollar. I've never had 1 of these either, so I not sure about it as well. I'm hoping it's the more peaceful spotted congo puffer. So ?'s: Has anybody else had 1 of these? Is it ok to keep in the community tank? What do I feed it? Should I try to get a pair? And how do I tell Male from Female? http://puffernet.tripod.com/main.html "T. schoutedeni is a mild-mannered freshwater puffer from the Congo Republic. It lives almost exclusively in the Congo River, which forms the Malebo pool (formerly Stanley pool) near its conclusion. Reproductive pairs are dioectic and the female lays her eggs in leaves or similar submersed fauna. The male will sometimes guard the clutch. These puffers are some of the more peaceful of its genus. One of the more commonly sold puffers, it is often confused with T. fluviatilis, and T. nigroviridis. There are some differences. In short, T. schoutedeni has a distinct club-like shape with backward pointing spines along its underbelly. Identifying these similar looking fish is important, since one is brackish and the others fresh."

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17194	From: thesydmonster	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?

I do not have personal experience with these fish but from what I have read, most people keep the puffers in species only tanks. It is important to know which puffer you have since some are freshwater and some are brackish. They can be quite the fin nippers, I believe. Cute little buggers, though :) --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I bought a new fish last night. The store did not have a "care > sheet" or proper name for it, so I do not know what kind it is for > sure. It did say they are best kept singly or with other large tough > fish. > > It is most likely one of the three listed below. > > Tetraodon schoutedeni ( spotted congo puffer ) > Tetraodon Nigroviridis ( spotted green puffer ) > Tetraodon fluviatilis ( green puffer ) > > > I have it in a 55 gallon freshwater community tank with Live plants > and some driftwood. The other fish are 13 Neon Tetras, 5 Black Neon > Tetras, a male Betta, a wild male guppy, a pair of platys, 1 > remaining oto (the other 15 died off slowly from starvation?) and a > (dwarf) Clown Pleco. > > I also bought a little tiny (African?) frog last night that the > label says gets to the size of a silver dollar. I've never had 1 of > these either, so I not sure about it as well. > > I'm hoping it's the more peaceful spotted congo puffer. > > So ?'s: > > Has anybody else had 1 of these? > > Is it ok to keep in the community tank? > > What do I feed it? > > Should I try to get a pair? And how do I tell Male from Female? > > > http://puffernet.tripod.com/main.html > > "T. schoutedeni is a mild-mannered freshwater puffer from the Congo > Republic. It lives almost exclusively in the Congo River, which > forms the Malebo pool (formerly Stanley pool) near its conclusion. > Reproductive pairs are dioectic and the female lays her eggs in > leaves or similar submersed fauna. The male will sometimes guard > the clutch. These puffers are some of the more peaceful of its > genus. > One of the more commonly sold puffers, it is often confused with T. > fluviatilis, and T. nigroviridis. There are some differences. In > short, T. schoutedeni has a distinct club-like shape with backward > pointing spines along its underbelly. Identifying these similar > looking fish is important, since one is brackish and the others > fresh." >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17195	From: Frederic Ouellet	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?

I have mine in his own tank and was told they do not do well with other puffers.... He LOVES bloodworms, but will eat other frozen food items Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: thesydmonster To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: WalMart Puffer? I do not have personal experience with these fish but from what I have read, most people keep the puffers in species only tanks. It is important to know which puffer you have since some are freshwater and some are brackish. They can be quite the fin nippers, I believe. Cute little buggers, though :) --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I bought a new fish last night. The store did not have a "care > sheet" or proper name for it, so I do not know what kind it is for > sure. It did say they are best kept singly or with other large tough > fish. > > It is most likely one of the three listed below. > > Tetraodon schoutedeni ( spotted congo puffer ) > Tetraodon Nigroviridis ( spotted green puffer ) > Tetraodon fluviatilis ( green puffer ) > > > I have it in a 55 gallon freshwater community tank with Live plants > and some driftwood. The other fish are 13 Neon Tetras, 5 Black Neon > Tetras, a male Betta, a wild male guppy, a pair of platys, 1 > remaining oto (the other 15 died off slowly from starvation?) and a > (dwarf) Clown Pleco. > > I also bought a little tiny (African?) frog last night that the > label says gets to the size of a silver dollar. I've never had 1 of > these either, so I not sure about it as well. > > I'm hoping it's the more peaceful spotted congo puffer. > > So ?'s: > > Has anybody else had 1 of these? > > Is it ok to keep in the community tank? > > What do I feed it? > > Should I try to get a pair? And how do I tell Male from Female? > > > http://puffernet.tripod.com/main.html > > "T. schoutedeni is a mild-mannered freshwater puffer from the Congo > Republic. It lives almost exclusively in the Congo River, which > forms the Malebo pool (formerly Stanley pool) near its conclusion. > Reproductive pairs are dioectic and the female lays her eggs in > leaves or similar submersed fauna. The male will sometimes guard > the clutch. These puffers are some of the more peaceful of its > genus. > One of the more commonly sold puffers, it is often confused with T. > fluviatilis, and T. nigroviridis. There are some differences. In > short, T. schoutedeni has a distinct club-like shape with backward > pointing spines along its underbelly. Identifying these similar > looking fish is important, since one is brackish and the others > fresh." > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17197	From: micheal03us	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Hello

Hi, My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, Karen.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17198	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?

puffers are extremely aggressive and tend to like brakish water. > Hi All, > > I bought a new fish last night. The store did not have a "care > sheet" or proper name for it, so I do not know what kind it is for > sure. It did say they are best kept singly or with other large tough > fish. > > It is most likely one of the three listed below. > > Tetraodon schoutedeni ( spotted congo puffer ) > Tetraodon Nigroviridis ( spotted green puffer ) > Tetraodon fluviatilis ( green puffer ) > > > I have it in a 55 gallon freshwater community tank with Live plants > and some driftwood. The other fish are 13 Neon Tetras, 5 Black Neon > Tetras, a male Betta, a wild male guppy, a pair of platys, 1 > remaining oto (the other 15 died off slowly from starvation?) and a > (dwarf) Clown Pleco. > > I also bought a little tiny (African?) frog last night that the > label says gets to the size of a silver dollar. I've never had 1 of > these either, so I not sure about it as well. > > I'm hoping it's the more peaceful spotted congo puffer. > > So ?'s: > > Has anybody else had 1 of these? > > Is it ok to keep in the community tank? > > What do I feed it? > > Should I try to get a pair? And how do I tell Male from Female? > > > http://puffernet.tripod.com/main.html > > "T. schoutedeni is a mild-mannered freshwater puffer from the Congo > Republic. It lives almost exclusively in the Congo River, which > forms the Malebo pool (formerly Stanley pool) near its conclusion. > Reproductive pairs are dioectic and the female lays her eggs in > leaves or similar submersed fauna. The male will sometimes guard > the clutch. These puffers are some of the more peaceful of its > genus. > One of the more commonly sold puffers, it is often confused with T. > fluviatilis, and T. nigroviridis. There are some differences. In > short, T. schoutedeni has a distinct club-like shape with backward > pointing spines along its underbelly. Identifying these similar > looking fish is important, since one is brackish and the others > fresh." >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17199	From: daniel_roachus	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "thesydmonster" <TheSydMonster@...> wrote: > > I am looking for suggestions on tankmates for a 37 gallon tank with 3 > botia striata, 3 otos, and a BN pleco. pH 7.8 temp 76F large grain > sand bottom with driftwood and plants. > > What would live happily with them? No guppies, danios, neons or > rasboras, please, as we have those in other tanks :) > Boeseman rainbows?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17200	From: J29MM@aOL.COM	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: What to add?

tiger, or gold barbs would look nice [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17201	From: kristopher helsing	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: WalMart Puffer?

if it isnt the dwarf species it will make fast mealks out of your tetras.... watch out!!! Species only tank is the only way to raise puffers, Kris "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: Hi All, I bought a new fish last night. The store did not have a "care sheet" or proper name for it, so I do not know what kind it is for sure. It did say they are best kept singly or with other large tough fish. It is most likely one of the three listed below. Tetraodon schoutedeni ( spotted congo puffer ) Tetraodon Nigroviridis ( spotted green puffer ) Tetraodon fluviatilis ( green puffer ) I have it in a 55 gallon freshwater community tank with Live plants and some driftwood. The other fish are 13 Neon Tetras, 5 Black Neon Tetras, a male Betta, a wild male guppy, a pair of platys, 1 remaining oto (the other 15 died off slowly from starvation?) and a (dwarf) Clown Pleco. I also bought a little tiny (African?) frog last night that the label says gets to the size of a silver dollar. I've never had 1 of these either, so I not sure about it as well. I'm hoping it's the more peaceful spotted congo puffer. So ?'s: Has anybody else had 1 of these? Is it ok to keep in the community tank? What do I feed it? Should I try to get a pair? And how do I tell Male from Female? http://puffernet.tripod.com/main.html "T. schoutedeni is a mild-mannered freshwater puffer from the Congo Republic. It lives almost exclusively in the Congo River, which forms the Malebo pool (formerly Stanley pool) near its conclusion. Reproductive pairs are dioectic and the female lays her eggs in leaves or similar submersed fauna. The male will sometimes guard the clutch. These puffers are some of the more peaceful of its genus. One of the more commonly sold puffers, it is often confused with T. fluviatilis, and T. nigroviridis. There are some differences. In short, T. schoutedeni has a distinct club-like shape with backward pointing spines along its underbelly. Identifying these similar looking fish is important, since one is brackish and the others fresh." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17202	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

Algae requires light and food to grow. You are not too specific about the type of algae you have, is it green water, stringy, or carpet like? The problem with algae eaters is that they like specific kinds of algae, and, unless really hungry, do not touch other species. It sounds like you have a smallish tank. You do not mention how many fish you have in it, or whether you have cycled the tank at all. If you do not have live plants (other than the algae, of course), the first step would be to reduce the amount of light your tank is getting. Just use the light for when you are viewing the fish, without plants, you can keep it off all other times. If your room is very bright, you may want to cover the tank with a blanket during the day to prevent the ambient sunlight from reaching it. Think about your feeding habits. How much food are you giving the fish? Is it more than they can eat in a couple of minutes? If so, you are feeding too much. Cut back on the food. Do the fish miss a lot of the food when you place it in the tank? It may be sinking too fast for them, try a different type of food--flakes if you are using pellets or granules. Different foods will have different rates of sinking. What is your pH? What is your ammonia? Your nitrates and nitrites? These are important measures, especially when you are having a problem in your tank. Forego the filter packs with the carbon and zeolite in them. For the most part, you should not need either. Just use an insert that is only polyester fiber. If you do have an ammonia problem, use a product such as Amquel not the plus version) to help control the ammonia. It will help the necessary bacteria get established while converting the ammonia to a substance that is not harmful to your fish. I just re-read your message, and you have a 5 gallon tank (likely 5.5 gallons) and that can be a tough size to deal with. You should actually get the biggest tank you have the room and budget for. I've kept 5 gallon tanks before, and they can be the devil to properly care for--and I like to think I know what I am doing. The 5 gallon is only good for keeping a few relatively small fish in. it is hard to maintain a stable temperature, or a stable level of anything in. I'd recommend a good book to help you out. A book I like to recommend to novices is the Baensch Atlas of Aquarium fishes, Volume 1. It has a good section on setting up the tank, a decent section on live plants, and tons of fish pictured in it. If there are used book stores near you, you can probably find a copy fairly inexpensively. It normally sells for around $40 US. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of micheal03us Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:28 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello Hi, My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, Karen. Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17203	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Silk plants in aquariums?

Is it OK to add some silk plants to the aquarium? They are so much more realistic. I have seen some at the pet stores that say they are for reptile or aquatic use. Can you make your own using the silks you find at a hobby shop and glueing them to driftwood? What would you use...silicone? I know I've posted a lot lately but I am just establishing a new tank and about to overhaul an existing one. Lots of questions pop up at different times & I absolutely want to do everything correctly, so thank you so much for all the input. =) ~Leslie and the thankful fish in Arkansas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17204	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: OT: Worm Affecting Yahoo Users

For those of you who use the web interface of Yahoo, beware: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&arti cleId=9001104&source=NLT_SEC&nlid=38 In case of wrapping, use this URL: http://tinyurl.com/zaubp The solution is for those who use the web interface to turn off scripting in their browsers so this worm will not affect them. I've already seen one list at Yahoo getting hit by this worm. Thanks Yahoo! For all the use of HTML, even where not necessary. \\Steve// "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light but bad news" Douglas Adams

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17205	From: Christa Ciglan	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Silk plants in aquariums?

Hello Arkansas, Absolutely anything can be built with silicone...the wonder adhesive! You need to be concerned with the dyes used in the silks. In all probability the dyes contain toxic chemicals in order to be PERMANENT. Also, the silk will decompose very quickly in water. The pet-store variety plants are of excellent quality and of course they can't possibly be made of real silk. Just do as I do: cut the "plants" up and glue them on to your piece of driftwood or whatever with a non-toxic silicone (designed for use in fishtanks). Viola! You are an artist. Christa --- Leslie & Dane Moore <5moores@...> wrote: > Is it OK to add some silk plants to the aquarium? > They are so much more > realistic. I have seen some at the pet stores that > say they are for > reptile or aquatic use. > Can you make your own using the silks you find at a > hobby shop and > glueing them to driftwood? What would you > use...silicone? > > I know I've posted a lot lately but I am just > establishing a new tank > and about to overhaul an existing one. Lots of > questions pop up at > different times & I absolutely want to do everything > correctly, so thank > you so much for all the input. =) > > ~Leslie and the thankful fish in Arkansas > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17206	From: Wee Border Collie	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: new to the list

Hi everyone, I have a 40 gallon community tank that includes some tetras and mollies & platies. I have a 5-gallon nursery tank currently very busy with a little of each of the livebearers. There are some babies in the big tank, too, of course, but I like to make sure that some of them grow up instead of just being snacks. ;) I've had an aquarium for about 7 years now but just recently moved from a 29-gallon to a 40-gallon. My husband wants a shrimp. The availability of things here is very limited, so I'm hoping to go see what the LFS has and then try to figure out if it will be happy in my tank. Allie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17207	From: chris topher	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

is it blue-green in color? and growing in sheets across the glass and rocks? if so it might be cyanobacteria which does not respond to typical algae treatments... i had a problem with that and someone on one of the lists suggested hydrogen peroxide 1oz for every 10 gallons... i used half that strength and had resolution overnight... it also works for the "hair" algae and brown algae... no harm came to the fish or the plants in the tank with this treatment... woody --- micheal03us <svensgirl@...> wrote: > Hi, > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to > find someone who > can help me with my algea problem and to share the > enjoyment of fish > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we > had to start > getting a different size of media for the filter we > have had nothing > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright > green and very > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions > given to me and even > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the > filter and the media > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid > that if I can't > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish > sick. > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the > media, the > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them > and filled the > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, > there was no > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with > the kit when > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it > comes in the bags > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the > entire chamber that > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that > this new stuff > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the > rocks and I can > see it getting into them again and turning them > green, it won't be > long before it starts on the glass behind the > heater. > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and > it's nto near a > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them > get sick cause > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop > this? > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang > of taking pics of > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. > Have a great day, > Karen. > > > > > > > test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17208	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

> > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 10:11:37 EST > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > Algae requires light and food to grow. You are not too specific about the > type of algae you have, is it green water, stringy, or carpet like? It is bright green in the water and dark when I take out the filter to clean it. It is stringy, it hangs on the filter outtake like long streamers if I can't catch it in time to clean it off and it is hard to get off too. It gets into the rocks and looks stringy and slimy there too. When it starts on the glass it looks like little green spots and sometimes they tend to look a little furry. I think it's the same stuff getting on out live plant and ornament. It turns the ends of the plants black andd the fake grass on the ornament black as well. The > problem with algae eaters is that they like specific kinds of algae, and, > unless really hungry, do not touch other species. It sounds like you have a > smallish tank. I was told by my fish store that if worst came to worst and I could get rid of it completely to get another one. I used to have a "weather loach" when I had goldfish and he ate everything, this one is a tad fussier. Though once I got a different kind of food, he seems to be eating more. You do not mention how many fish you have in it, or whether > you have cycled the tank at all. > I have roughly 10 to 12, they won't stay still long enought for me to count them. We lost a few a bit ago to the filter intake. I have changed the water once completely cause the algea was so thick on the glass you couldn't see in and the rocks were completely coated and everything was very difficult to get it off of. I have changed 20% of the water and used the conditioners since then, a couple of times I think. > If you do not have live plants (other than the algae, of course), the first > step would be to reduce the amount of light your tank is getting. We do have one live plant, we used to have two but it died. We don't know why, but the other one is really healthy. Just use > the light for when you are viewing the fish, without plants, you can keep it > off all other times. If your room is very bright, you may want to cover the > tank with a blanket during the day to prevent the ambient sunlight from > reaching it. > > Think about your feeding habits. How much food are you giving the fish? I feed them a little in the morning and a little in the evening. Is > it more than they can eat in a couple of minutes? If so, you are feeding too > much. Cut back on the food. Do the fish miss a lot of the food when you > place it in the tank? Not the Danios, they go after everything they see moving. They usually eat it up quite good, I feel. It may be sinking too fast for them, try a different > type of food--flakes if you are using pellets or granules. Different foods > will have different rates of sinking. > We use the nutrafin max, in the granules, we used to use the flake food, but I got the other becuase it was supposed to help in algea reduction. > What is your pH? What is your ammonia? Your nitrates and nitrites? That I have no idea on. We have no kits to test the water but if wean't clear it up we are going to taek samples to out pet store to see what is in the water. These > are important measures, especially when you are having a problem in your > tank. Forego the filter packs with the carbon and zeolite in them. For the > most part, you should not need either. Just use an insert that is only > polyester fiber. If you do have an ammonia problem, use a product such as > Amquel not the plus version) to help control the ammonia. It will help the > necessary bacteria get established while converting the ammonia to a > substance that is not harmful to your fish. > > I just re-read your message, and you have a 5 gallon tank (likely 5.5 > gallons) and that can be a tough size to deal with. You should actually get > the biggest tank you have the room and budget for. I've kept 5 gallon tanks > before, and they can be the devil to properly care for--and I like to think > I know what I am doing. The 5 gallon is only good for keeping a few > relatively small fish in. it is hard to maintain a stable temperature, or a > stable level of anything in. > I had thought a bigger tank would be good but we just don't have the room for a bigger one right now, that's why we got the small one to start out with. We didn't think a small one would be so hard to deal with. > I'd recommend a good book to help you out. A book I like to recommend to > novices is the Baensch Atlas of Aquarium fishes, Volume 1. It has a good > section on setting up the tank, a decent section on live plants, and tons of > fish pictured in it. If there are used book stores near you, you can > probably find a copy fairly inexpensively. It normally sells for around $40 > US. > > > \\Steve// Thanks for the info. Karen. > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of micheal03us > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello > > Hi, > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who > can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start > getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can > see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be > long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, > Karen. > > > > > > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to > the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT > LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Adorabelle http://svenslittlegirl.bravepages.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17209	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

This is straight out bright green and hangs like streamers from the filter outtake, will hydrogen peroxide work on that as well? Karen. > > From: chris topher <humbottom@...> > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 05:49:23 EST > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hello > > is it blue-green in color? and growing in sheets > across the glass and rocks? > > if so it might be cyanobacteria which does not respond > to typical algae treatments... > > i had a problem with that and someone on one of the > lists suggested hydrogen peroxide 1oz for every 10 > gallons... > > i used half that strength and had resolution > overnight... > > it also works for the "hair" algae and brown algae... > > no harm came to the fish or the plants in the tank > with this treatment... > > woody > > --- micheal03us <svensgirl@...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to > > find someone who > > can help me with my algea problem and to share the > > enjoyment of fish > > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we > > had to start > > getting a different size of media for the filter we > > have had nothing > > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright > > green and very > > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions > > given to me and even > > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the > > filter and the media > > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid > > that if I can't > > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish > > sick. > > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the > > media, the > > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them > > and filled the > > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, > > there was no > > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with > > the kit when > > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it > > comes in the bags > > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the > > entire chamber that > > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that > > this new stuff > > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the > > rocks and I can > > see it getting into them again and turning them > > green, it won't be > > long before it starts on the glass behind the > > heater. > > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and > > it's nto near a > > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them > > get sick cause > > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop > > this? > > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang > > of taking pics of > > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. > > Have a great day, > > Karen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test'; "> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Adorabelle http://svenslittlegirl.bravepages.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17211	From: chris topher	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

i honestly dont know... --- Karen Millett <svensgirl@...> wrote: > This is straight out bright green and hangs like > streamers from the filter outtake, will hydrogen > peroxide work on that as well? Karen. > > > > From: chris topher <humbottom@...> > > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 05:49:23 EST > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > is it blue-green in color? and growing in sheets > > across the glass and rocks? > > > > if so it might be cyanobacteria which does not > respond > > to typical algae treatments... > > > > i had a problem with that and someone on one of > the > > lists suggested hydrogen peroxide 1oz for every 10 > > gallons... > > > > i used half that strength and had resolution > > overnight... > > > > it also works for the "hair" algae and brown > algae... > > > > no harm came to the fish or the plants in the tank > > with this treatment... > > > > woody > > > > --- micheal03us <svensgirl@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping > to > > > find someone who > > > can help me with my algea problem and to share > the > > > enjoyment of fish > > > with others. I haven't had my tank long but > since we > > > had to start > > > getting a different size of media for the filter > we > > > have had nothing > > > but trouble with with green algea. It is a > bright > > > green and very > > > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions > > > given to me and even > > > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming > back. > > > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the > > > filter and the media > > > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid > > > that if I can't > > > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my > fish > > > sick. > > > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, > the > > > media, the > > > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in > them > > > and filled the > > > place where they go nicely and seemd to really > work, > > > there was no > > > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came > with > > > the kit when > > > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, > it > > > comes in the bags > > > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the > > > entire chamber that > > > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, > that > > > this new stuff > > > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > > > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned > the > > > rocks and I can > > > see it getting into them again and turning them > > > green, it won't be > > > long before it starts on the glass behind the > > > heater. > > > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant > and > > > it's nto near a > > > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see > them > > > get sick cause > > > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to > stop > > > this? > > > I have a digital camera and once I get the > hang > > > of taking pics of > > > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. > > > Have a great day, > > > Karen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test'; "> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Adorabelle > http://svenslittlegirl.bravepages.com > > test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17212	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Unlevel tank

I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17213	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Uneven pressure can shorten the life of the seals. Go ahead and empty it, and then use a solid line of shims in the back to leve it before filling it. > I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards > at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running > for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and > tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. > The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and > electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. > > I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any > opinions first. > > Thanks again, > Leslie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17214	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank/ Shims

Yep, I think that's what I'll do. There is just a few inches of water left in it plus the gravel which I will drain later this week. Shims...is that angled wood wedges? What about the amount of glass on the bottom that isn't supported by anything? It seems that would leave a small area of the bottom surface in mid-air which can't be good. Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cynthia brennemann Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:38 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Unlevel tank Uneven pressure can shorten the life of the seals. Go ahead and empty it, and then use a solid line of shims in the back to leve it before filling it. > I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards > at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running > for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and > tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. > The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and > electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. > > I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any > opinions first. > > Thanks again, > Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17215	From: tartintaff@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: advice

i am thinking of adding a black ghost knifefish to my tank i have a fighter a pink kissing fish 4 neon tetras a guppy a red tailed shark and 2 clown loaches any advice

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17216	From: threekidzcrazy2004	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Homemade filter for pond fish.

Hi. I was hoping some one could give me some ideas for building a homemade filter for a stock tank pond I placed in my yard trhis spring. It holds about 250 gal. and is stocked with a large Black Moore, a year old copper Oranda and a baby Koi, about 1 1/2 inches long. I am running a Whisper filter, and a large fountain pump for oxygen. I would like something that gets the bottom of the tank better, and hae biological vegetation filter in a larger inground pond. This works well, but would be too big for a submersible filter in the tank pond. Any suggestions on something smaller that works as well?

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17217	From: mitzizot	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Planted tanks

I have a 75 gal and 29 gal tank, established. The 29 gal has a black sand substrate, guppies and high fin platies, 2 bristle nose plecos and Cory cats. The filters are a canister and hang on the back filter. I added a shop light to the tank hood for lighting and have 2 hagen DIY co2 plus a 2 liter diy bottle. I would like to have a planted tank, a successful planted tank. I just ordered more plants that have not arrived yet. My 75 gal tank has a gravel substrate, a wet dry inside the tank filter, (I have seen these filters in salt water tanks). It is a black box with 2 chambers and a powerhead with a sponge filter. I have another powerhead sponge filter. It currently has a few guppies, a high fin pleco and 2 bristle nose plecos. I plan to add angel fish. I added a shop light and 4 2liter dIY CO2 bottles. Any advice on a successful planted tank? I had considered an Oscar, but was unsure if a 75 gal was large enough and had concerns over the Oscar demolishing plants. I may go with angel fish. I do a 30% water change weekly. I really want a fairly low maintenance planted tank. I tried amazon sword plants, before I added the extra lighting and they didn't survive long. Thanks for any help or suggestions. The ph is 8, we have liquid rock. I plan to fertilize after I set up the plants. Nitrite, ammonia 0 nitrate in the 75 is 20, but I clean regularly. I used to have 3 blood parrots but when they died, I just kept a few guppies to keep he tank regulated. Tiggy Thank You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17218	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Hi,

Hi, I'm Tiggy and I have a 29 gal tank and a 75 gal tank, freshwater. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17219	From: Keri Kimball	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Help Ick

I need help. I found ick in my tank over a week ago. I started with the Ick Away tablets and used an Ick Away liquid like it said, with little help. I have also raised the temp in my tank to above 80like I was told. The only thing that has happened is I have lost over 1/2 of my fish. I have like 3 Rainbow, 1 African Butterfly, 1 platy, 3 plecos and shrimp left. Does anyone know of anything else I can do. I just really checked my fish today and 1 Rainbow ha dthe ick. I can not seem to get rid of it. Please help me. I'm planning of possibly moving these fish to a smaller tank and really cleaning thye tank with bleach and letting it dry plus rinse rinse rinse etc to help the tank. But the fish. Does anyone know what I can do?? Plus how can I clean my live plants to get rid of this? Anyone have any home remedies, apparently the store remedies have not helped. In desperate need of help. Thanks in advance for any help. Keri

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17220	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

Karen, The number of fish you have in that tank is big problem number 1. You are either going to need to get a larger tank, or remove some of the fish. You mentioned 10-12 fish. Even if they were each less than one inch long, you have far too many fish. You mentioned danios in your post, which gives you another whammy since they are so active. I'd go to your store, first opportunity and ask them to get you some Aqua-Tru kits. I like the Aqua-Tru fro a couple of reasons. With the vial, it is hard not to get a good match on the color the test gives you, and they use dated powdered reagents. While you are at the store, check to see if they will take some of your fish back. The population in the tank needs to be reduced. You probably want to keep about 3 of the danios along with the algae eater. The algal problem you are experiencing now is probably the only thing standing between you and disaster in your tank. You will want to start daily water changes of 50% or so, until things get under control. Treat the water with Amquel like I mentioned yesterday. As you get the tank cycled and reduce the population, you should see a lessening of your algal problem and it will eventually disappear. Then you can start reading about plants in the Baensch Atlas and start planning where you will put a larger tank. (Ask the people here--there is always room for another tank <g>.) \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Millett Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:52 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 10:11:37 EST > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > Algae requires light and food to grow. You are not too specific about the > type of algae you have, is it green water, stringy, or carpet like? It is bright green in the water and dark when I take out the filter to clean it. It is stringy, it hangs on the filter outtake like long streamers if I can't catch it in time to clean it off and it is hard to get off too. It gets into the rocks and looks stringy and slimy there too. When it starts on the glass it looks like little green spots and sometimes they tend to look a little furry. I think it's the same stuff getting on out live plant and ornament. It turns the ends of the plants black andd the fake grass on the ornament black as well. The > problem with algae eaters is that they like specific kinds of algae, and, > unless really hungry, do not touch other species. It sounds like you have a > smallish tank. I was told by my fish store that if worst came to worst and I could get rid of it completely to get another one. I used to have a "weather loach" when I had goldfish and he ate everything, this one is a tad fussier. Though once I got a different kind of food, he seems to be eating more. You do not mention how many fish you have in it, or whether > you have cycled the tank at all. > I have roughly 10 to 12, they won't stay still long enought for me to count them. We lost a few a bit ago to the filter intake. I have changed the water once completely cause the algea was so thick on the glass you couldn't see in and the rocks were completely coated and everything was very difficult to get it off of. I have changed 20% of the water and used the conditioners since then, a couple of times I think. > If you do not have live plants (other than the algae, of course), the first > step would be to reduce the amount of light your tank is getting. We do have one live plant, we used to have two but it died. We don't know why, but the other one is really healthy. Just use > the light for when you are viewing the fish, without plants, you can keep it > off all other times. If your room is very bright, you may want to cover the > tank with a blanket during the day to prevent the ambient sunlight from > reaching it. > > Think about your feeding habits. How much food are you giving the fish? I feed them a little in the morning and a little in the evening. Is > it more than they can eat in a couple of minutes? If so, you are feeding too > much. Cut back on the food. Do the fish miss a lot of the food when you > place it in the tank? Not the Danios, they go after everything they see moving. They usually eat it up quite good, I feel. It may be sinking too fast for them, try a different > type of food--flakes if you are using pellets or granules. Different foods > will have different rates of sinking. > We use the nutrafin max, in the granules, we used to use the flake food, but I got the other becuase it was supposed to help in algea reduction. > What is your pH? What is your ammonia? Your nitrates and nitrites? That I have no idea on. We have no kits to test the water but if wean't clear it up we are going to taek samples to out pet store to see what is in the water. These > are important measures, especially when you are having a problem in your > tank. Forego the filter packs with the carbon and zeolite in them. For the > most part, you should not need either. Just use an insert that is only > polyester fiber. If you do have an ammonia problem, use a product such as > Amquel not the plus version) to help control the ammonia. It will help the > necessary bacteria get established while converting the ammonia to a > substance that is not harmful to your fish. > > I just re-read your message, and you have a 5 gallon tank (likely 5.5 > gallons) and that can be a tough size to deal with. You should actually get > the biggest tank you have the room and budget for. I've kept 5 gallon tanks > before, and they can be the devil to properly care for--and I like to think > I know what I am doing. The 5 gallon is only good for keeping a few > relatively small fish in. it is hard to maintain a stable temperature, or a > stable level of anything in. > I had thought a bigger tank would be good but we just don't have the room for a bigger one right now, that's why we got the small one to start out with. We didn't think a small one would be so hard to deal with. > I'd recommend a good book to help you out. A book I like to recommend to > novices is the Baensch Atlas of Aquarium fishes, Volume 1. It has a good > section on setting up the tank, a decent section on live plants, and tons of > fish pictured in it. If there are used book stores near you, you can > probably find a copy fairly inexpensively. It normally sells for around $40 > US. > > > \\Steve// Thanks for the info. Karen. > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of micheal03us > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:28 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello > > Hi, > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who > can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start > getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can > see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be > long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, > Karen.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17221	From: Jerry Young	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Hi,

Welcome to the group. MitziZot@... wrote: Hi, I'm Tiggy and I have a 29 gal tank and a 75 gal tank, freshwater. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17222	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17223	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: advice

Tank size? Size of your gourami? Kiss the small fish (tetras and guppy) good-bye. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartintaff@... Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:48 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] advice i am thinking of adding a black ghost knifefish to my tank i have a fighter a pink kissing fish 4 neon tetras a guppy a red tailed shark and 2 clown loaches any advice Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17224	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Planted tanks

An oscar and plants will not go together. The 75 is large enough for an adult oscar or two. If you go that route, no other fish. I'll leave the plant questions to others. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mitzizot Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Planted tanks I have a 75 gal and 29 gal tank, established. The 29 gal has a black sand substrate, guppies and high fin platies, 2 bristle nose plecos and Cory cats. The filters are a canister and hang on the back filter. I added a shop light to the tank hood for lighting and have 2 hagen DIY co2 plus a 2 liter diy bottle. I would like to have a planted tank, a successful planted tank. I just ordered more plants that have not arrived yet. My 75 gal tank has a gravel substrate, a wet dry inside the tank filter, (I have seen these filters in salt water tanks). It is a black box with 2 chambers and a powerhead with a sponge filter. I have another powerhead sponge filter. It currently has a few guppies, a high fin pleco and 2 bristle nose plecos. I plan to add angel fish. I added a shop light and 4 2liter dIY CO2 bottles. Any advice on a successful planted tank? I had considered an Oscar, but was unsure if a 75 gal was large enough and had concerns over the Oscar demolishing plants. I may go with angel fish. I do a 30% water change weekly. I really want a fairly low maintenance planted tank. I tried amazon sword plants, before I added the extra lighting and they didn't survive long. Thanks for any help or suggestions. The ph is 8, we have liquid rock. I plan to fertilize after I set up the plants. Nitrite, ammonia 0 nitrate in the 75 is 20, but I clean regularly. I used to have 3 blood parrots but when they died, I just kept a few guppies to keep he tank regulated. Tiggy Thank You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. 74/`7.88.><((((:>.74/`7.88.74/`7.8><((((:> 8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..><((((:> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- <:((((><.74/`7.88.74/`7.8<:((((><8.74/`7.8. , .74/`7..<:((((><74/`7.88. We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17225	From: Terry	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re automatic feeders

Can anyone recommend an auto feeder that would be suitable for a 180 gal tank ? Tia Terry

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17226	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which we have already done in trying. =( L <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogrou <mailto:uniquaria%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com; AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17227	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards > at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running > for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and > tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. ================== If thie is an all glass tank the best way to level it if you cant free the legs of the stand is to get a peice of thick plywood (cut to size of tank)place it on the stand and then shim the plywood to level state and then place tank on top of that.That way you have full support of the tank. Hank > The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and > electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. > > I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any > opinions first. > > Thanks again, > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17228	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: plants

have a 75 gal and 29 gal tank, established. The 29 gal has a black sand substrate, guppies and high fin platies, 2 bristle nose plecos and Cory cats. The filters are a canister and hang on the back filter. I added a shop light to the tank hood for lighting and have 2 hagen DIY co2 plus a 2 liter diy bottle. I would like to have a planted tank, a successful planted tank. I just ordered more plants that have not arrived yet. My 75 gal tank has a gravel substrate, a wet dry inside the tank filter, (I have seen these filters in salt water tanks). It is a black box with 2 chambers and a powerhead with a sponge filter. I have another powerhead sponge filter. It currently has a few guppies, a high fin pleco and 2 bristle nose plecos. I plan to add angel fish. I added a shop light and 4 2liter dIY CO2 bottles. Any advice on a successful planted tank? I had considered an Oscar, but was unsure if a 75 gal was large enough and had concerns over the Oscar demolishing plants. I may go with angel fish. I do a 30% water change weekly. I really want a fairly low maintenance planted tank. I tried amazon sword plants, before I added the extra lighting and they didn't survive long. Thanks for any help or suggestions. The ph is 8, we have liquid rock. I plan to fertilize after I set up the plants. Nitrite, ammonia 0 nitrate in the 75 is 20, but I clean regularly. I used to have 3 blood parrots but when they died, I just kept a few guppies to keep he tank regulated. Tiggy Thank You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17229	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the > floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which > we have already done in trying. =( > L > ===================== Did you say you broke the stand> If so be careful 75 gals.is a lot of weight on a broken stand.You may have to replace it. Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17230	From: Evita	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

I have to agree this stand really needs to be replaced. I was wondering if the kids would like to get involved and have a possible fund raiser for an new stand. If the stand is un-level to begin with and has been also damaged it would be a disaster waiting to happen if you filled such a large tank. Maybe you could even find a parent that is a good Carpenter to build you a new wood stand at cost even. I have even heard of local companies donating stuff for free to schools and churches. After it was set up you could have a small plax made saying stand donated by (Whom ever) The goodwill advertisement alone might be more to their business than anything they could do. Our local church needed a new 9 ft artificial tree. A committee went to a local hardware store to see if they would be willing to sell us one at cost. After talking to the owner he decided to donate the tree. Evita hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote: --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the > floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which > we have already done in trying. =( > L > ===================== Did you say you broke the stand> If so be careful 75 gals.is a lot of weight on a broken stand.You may have to replace it. Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17231	From: cynthia brennemann	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: plants

YOu need a better substrate than just gravel. The roots need to be able to spread and get nutrition from the substrate. I mix a combination of rinsed peat, laterite, a bit of vermiculite and play or soft sand together with water till it's all doughy. If you already have gravel down, just tuck this muck into coffee filters, and wrap it with string around the roots of the plant, then dig the hole where you want the plant and tuck it all down in the gravel and cover up the soil ball. IT's best to get a nice uniform layer, though. Don't give all parts of your tank the same amount of light. Some plants do better in lower lighting, some do better in higher. When a plant dies back, don't assume it's dead. Many plants need dormant periods, and will come back. Rather like choosing fish, try to stick with what works for you, instead of doing elaborate setups to force the issue :)

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17232	From: chris topher	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: plants

i have had luck with just gravel, though took awhile to find the right plants... most succesful are annubias, wendt, various crypts, java fern, and my favorite bulbitas... all of which spread well and are availible at: aquariumplants.com and aquariumgarden.com tend to plant fairly heavily and very very rarely siphon the gravel or do water changes... but thats just my dumb luck... there are also various bulbs that look nice... woody --- cynthia brennemann <brennewoman@...> wrote: > YOu need a better substrate than just gravel. The > roots need to be > able to spread and get nutrition from the substrate. > I mix a > combination of rinsed peat, laterite, a bit of > vermiculite and play or > soft sand together with water till it's all doughy. > If you already > have gravel down, just tuck this muck into coffee > filters, and wrap it > with string around the roots of the plant, then dig > the hole where you > want the plant and tuck it all down in the gravel > and cover up the soil > ball. IT's best to get a nice uniform layer, > though. > > Don't give all parts of your tank the same amount of > light. Some > plants do better in lower lighting, some do better > in higher. When a > plant dies back, don't assume it's dead. Many > plants need dormant > periods, and will come back. > > Rather like choosing fish, try to stick with what > works for you, > instead of doing elaborate setups to force the issue > :) > > > > > test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17233	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

what is the stand made of? Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:37 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which we have already done in trying. =( L <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogrou <mailto:uniquaria%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com; AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17234	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?

Has anyone here used the peat sold at garden stores for their aquarium use? I have some large tanks and some tetra breeding operations going on, and wondered if the cheaper garden variety peat was suitable. Buying box after box of the Fluval peat gets expensive.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17235	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Eric, I'm not certain but it appears to be wood. It could be particle board but I think wood. The cabinet doors are solid wood so I would guess that the rest of it is. Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rev. Eric Roberts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:42 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank what is the stand made of? Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:37 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which we have already done in trying. =( L <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogrou <mailto:uniquaria%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com; AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17236	From: hank voss	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "aclaar877" <aclaar877@...> wrote: > > Has anyone here used the peat sold at garden stores for their aquarium > use? I have some large tanks and some tetra breeding operations going > on, and wondered if the cheaper garden variety peat was suitable. > Buying box after box of the Fluval peat gets expensive. > \ ========================= Ive used garden peat for many years with no bad results.For the last 15 yrs been using canadian peat as the german peat is hard to find. Just read the lable to make sure no fungicide or chem. are added. Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17237	From: Rev. Eric Roberts	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

so its like a lab stand in a science class rather than a table? Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:00 To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Eric, I'm not certain but it appears to be wood. It could be particle board but I think wood. The cabinet doors are solid wood so I would guess that the rest of it is. Leslie <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rev. Eric Roberts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:42 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank what is the stand made of? Eric _____ From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:37 To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which we have already done in trying. =( L <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogrou <mailto:uniquaria%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com; AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17238	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Then you have no option but to level the tank itself. This must be done carefully. You need to support the tank as it would be supported on a stand. Yu will need to support the whole edge that is not supported by the stand. If you do not do this, then you are faced with the same sort of problem you are when the tank is not level, a premature failure of one or more seams. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:37 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I would love to do that but the stand itself is somehow sealed to the floor and can not be moved at all. Not without breaking the stand which we have already done in trying. =( L <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:16 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank Leveling the stand is the best way to go--don't just try to level the tank alone. Check out you local lumberyard and see if you can get a few cedar shakes (they are used for siding and roofing in some parts of the US). I find that these work very well for leveling projects and they have a long lifespan. I bought a bundle about 20 years ago, and still have a lot of that bundle left, so see if you can use your best poor teacher, it's for the kids arguments and gain a few pieces. Then just push them under the legs of the stand until the tank is level, and trim and refill the tank. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: uniquaria@yahoogrou <mailto:uniquaria%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com; AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Unlevel tank I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any opinions first. Thanks again, Leslie

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17239	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

this is true , my daughter found room for her own Tank seen I wouldnt let her put cichlids in mine holly >From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> >Reply-To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:03 -0400 > >Karen, > >The number of fish you have in that tank is big problem number 1. You are >either going to need to get a larger tank, or remove some of the fish. You >mentioned 10-12 fish. Even if they were each less than one inch long, you >have far too many fish. You mentioned danios in your post, which gives you >another whammy since they are so active. > >I'd go to your store, first opportunity and ask them to get you some >Aqua-Tru kits. I like the Aqua-Tru fro a couple of reasons. With the vial, >it is hard not to get a good match on the color the test gives you, and >they >use dated powdered reagents. > >While you are at the store, check to see if they will take some of your >fish >back. The population in the tank needs to be reduced. You probably want to >keep about 3 of the danios along with the algae eater. > >The algal problem you are experiencing now is probably the only thing >standing between you and disaster in your tank. You will want to start >daily >water changes of 50% or so, until things get under control. Treat the water >with Amquel like I mentioned yesterday. As you get the tank cycled and >reduce the population, you should see a lessening of your algal problem and >it will eventually disappear. Then you can start reading about plants in >the >Baensch Atlas and start planning where you will put a larger tank. (Ask the >people here--there is always room for another tank <g>.) > > >\\Steve// >-----Original Message----- >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Karen Millett >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:52 AM >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 10:11:37 EST > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > Algae requires light and food to grow. You are not too specific about >the > > type of algae you have, is it green water, stringy, or carpet like? > > > It is bright green in the water and dark when I take out the filter to >clean it. It is stringy, it hangs on the filter outtake like long streamers >if I can't catch it in time to clean it off and it is hard to get off too. >It gets into the rocks and looks stringy and slimy there too. When it >starts >on the glass it looks like little green spots and sometimes they tend to >look a little furry. I think it's the same stuff getting on out live plant >and ornament. It turns the ends of the plants black andd the fake grass on >the ornament black as well. > > > >The > > problem with algae eaters is that they like specific kinds of algae, >and, > > unless really hungry, do not touch other species. It sounds like you >have >a > > smallish tank. > > I was told by my fish store that if worst came to worst and I could get >rid >of it completely to get another one. I used to have a "weather loach" when >I >had goldfish and he ate everything, this one is a tad fussier. Though once >I >got a different kind of food, he seems to be eating more. > > > >You do not mention how many fish you have in it, or whether > > you have cycled the tank at all. > > > >I have roughly 10 to 12, they won't stay still long enought for me to count >them. We lost a few a bit ago to the filter intake. I have changed the >water >once completely cause the algea was so thick on the glass you couldn't see >in and the rocks were completely coated and everything was very difficult >to >get it off of. I have changed 20% of the water and used the conditioners >since then, a couple of times I think. > > > > > If you do not have live plants (other than the algae, of course), the >first > > step would be to reduce the amount of light your tank is getting. > > >We do have one live plant, we used to have two but it died. We don't know >why, but the other one is really healthy. > >Just use > > the light for when you are viewing the fish, without plants, you can >keep >it > > off all other times. If your room is very bright, you may want to cover >the > > tank with a blanket during the day to prevent the ambient sunlight from > > reaching it. > > > > Think about your feeding habits. How much food are you giving the fish? > > I feed them a little in the morning and a little in the evening. > > >Is > > it more than they can eat in a couple of minutes? If so, you are feeding >too > > much. Cut back on the food. Do the fish miss a lot of the food when you > > place it in the tank? > > >Not the Danios, they go after everything they see moving. They usually eat >it up quite good, I feel. > >It may be sinking too fast for them, try a different > > type of food--flakes if you are using pellets or granules. Different >foods > > will have different rates of sinking. > > >We use the nutrafin max, in the granules, we used to use the flake food, >but >I got the other becuase it was supposed to help in algea reduction. > > > > What is your pH? What is your ammonia? Your nitrates and nitrites? > > >That I have no idea on. We have no kits to test the water but if wean't >clear it up we are going to taek samples to out pet store to see what is in >the water. > > > These > > are important measures, especially when you are having a problem in your > > tank. Forego the filter packs with the carbon and zeolite in them. For >the > > most part, you should not need either. Just use an insert that is only > > polyester fiber. If you do have an ammonia problem, use a product such >as > > Amquel not the plus version) to help control the ammonia. It will help >the > > necessary bacteria get established while converting the ammonia to a > > substance that is not harmful to your fish. > > > > I just re-read your message, and you have a 5 gallon tank (likely 5.5 > > gallons) and that can be a tough size to deal with. You should actually >get > > the biggest tank you have the room and budget for. I've kept 5 gallon >tanks > > before, and they can be the devil to properly care for--and I like to >think > > I know what I am doing. The 5 gallon is only good for keeping a few > > relatively small fish in. it is hard to maintain a stable temperature, >or >a > > stable level of anything in. > > > >I had thought a bigger tank would be good but we just don't have the room >for a bigger one right now, that's why we got the small one to start out >with. We didn't think a small one would be so hard to deal with. > > > I'd recommend a good book to help you out. A book I like to recommend to > > novices is the Baensch Atlas of Aquarium fishes, Volume 1. It has a good > > section on setting up the tank, a decent section on live plants, and >tons >of > > fish pictured in it. If there are used book stores near you, you can > > probably find a copy fairly inexpensively. It normally sells for around >$40 > > US. > > > > > > \\Steve// > > >Thanks for the info. Karen. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] >On > > Behalf Of micheal03us > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:28 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > Hi, > > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who > > can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish > > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start > > getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing > > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very > > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even > > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media > > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't > > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. > > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the > > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the > > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no > > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when > > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags > > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that > > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff > > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can > > see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be > > long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. > > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a > > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause > > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? > > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of > > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, > > Karen. > _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job � there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17240	From: Kevin Batey	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Garden Peat OK for Aquarium Use?

I've been using Sphagnum brand peat moss from WalMart - just be sure that what you use has NO additives, such as fertilizer...

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17241	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

If replacing the stand is not an option, probably the best way to level and support the tank as evenly as possible is to first install two (2) sheets of 3/4" marine plywood (painted, preferably with polyurethane, to seal all pores) up to about an 1/8" wider and longer than the tank, between the tank and the stand. The plywood sheeting can then be shimmed at short intervals, with the tank being as evenly supported as if it were on a table. Two sheets of this thickness plywood supporting the tank will ensure there will be no warpage, and the wood will take up any unevenness. This, to be considered only after the stand is considered safe and/or has been repaired to the point of supporting the nearly 625 pounds. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I am revamping a school aquarium. It's a 55 gal and it leans backwards > at a small angel against a concrete post. It's been full and running > for well over a year without problems but I'm hesitant. The stand and > tank can not be moved as the stand has been sealed to the floor somehow. > The tank is leaning on the post so hard that there is airline tubing and > electrical cords that I can not remove as they are squished in between. > > I am thinking to go ahead and fill it as is but wanted to get any > opinions first. > > Thanks again, > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17242	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hello

Right now, though this is not an option, we are in the middle of renovations and really do not have the room for a second tank. It's just not an easy thing to do with the mess our house is in, with stuff from room in the other rooms. Maybe when things settle down we might see about finding room for a second tank but not right now. Karen. > > From: "Hollyer Cart" <holladeen480@...> > Date: 2006/06/15 Thu AM 12:50:30 EST > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > this is true , my daughter found room for her own Tank > seen I wouldnt let her put cichlids in mine > holly > > >From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > >Reply-To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:03 -0400 > > > >Karen, > > > >The number of fish you have in that tank is big problem number 1. You are > >either going to need to get a larger tank, or remove some of the fish. You > >mentioned 10-12 fish. Even if they were each less than one inch long, you > >have far too many fish. You mentioned danios in your post, which gives you > >another whammy since they are so active. > > > >I'd go to your store, first opportunity and ask them to get you some > >Aqua-Tru kits. I like the Aqua-Tru fro a couple of reasons. With the vial, > >it is hard not to get a good match on the color the test gives you, and > >they > >use dated powdered reagents. > > > >While you are at the store, check to see if they will take some of your > >fish > >back. The population in the tank needs to be reduced. You probably want to > >keep about 3 of the danios along with the algae eater. > > > >The algal problem you are experiencing now is probably the only thing > >standing between you and disaster in your tank. You will want to start > >daily > >water changes of 50% or so, until things get under control. Treat the water > >with Amquel like I mentioned yesterday. As you get the tank cycled and > >reduce the population, you should see a lessening of your algal problem and > >it will eventually disappear. Then you can start reading about plants in > >the > >Baensch Atlas and start planning where you will put a larger tank. (Ask the > >people here--there is always room for another tank <g>.) > > > > > >\\Steve// > >-----Original Message----- > >From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > >Behalf Of Karen Millett > >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:52 AM > >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > > > > > > > From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> > > > Date: 2006/06/12 Mon PM 10:11:37 EST > > > To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > > > Algae requires light and food to grow. You are not too specific about > >the > > > type of algae you have, is it green water, stringy, or carpet like? > > > > > > It is bright green in the water and dark when I take out the filter to > >clean it. It is stringy, it hangs on the filter outtake like long streamers > >if I can't catch it in time to clean it off and it is hard to get off too. > >It gets into the rocks and looks stringy and slimy there too. When it > >starts > >on the glass it looks like little green spots and sometimes they tend to > >look a little furry. I think it's the same stuff getting on out live plant > >and ornament. It turns the ends of the plants black andd the fake grass on > >the ornament black as well. > > > > > > > >The > > > problem with algae eaters is that they like specific kinds of algae, > >and, > > > unless really hungry, do not touch other species. It sounds like you > >have > >a > > > smallish tank. > > > > I was told by my fish store that if worst came to worst and I could get > >rid > >of it completely to get another one. I used to have a "weather loach" when > >I > >had goldfish and he ate everything, this one is a tad fussier. Though once > >I > >got a different kind of food, he seems to be eating more. > > > > > > > >You do not mention how many fish you have in it, or whether > > > you have cycled the tank at all. > > > > > > >I have roughly 10 to 12, they won't stay still long enought for me to count > >them. We lost a few a bit ago to the filter intake. I have changed the > >water > >once completely cause the algea was so thick on the glass you couldn't see > >in and the rocks were completely coated and everything was very difficult > >to > >get it off of. I have changed 20% of the water and used the conditioners > >since then, a couple of times I think. > > > > > > > > > If you do not have live plants (other than the algae, of course), the > >first > > > step would be to reduce the amount of light your tank is getting. > > > > > >We do have one live plant, we used to have two but it died. We don't know > >why, but the other one is really healthy. > > > >Just use > > > the light for when you are viewing the fish, without plants, you can > >keep > >it > > > off all other times. If your room is very bright, you may want to cover > >the > > > tank with a blanket during the day to prevent the ambient sunlight from > > > reaching it. > > > > > > Think about your feeding habits. How much food are you giving the fish? > > > > I feed them a little in the morning and a little in the evening. > > > > > >Is > > > it more than they can eat in a couple of minutes? If so, you are feeding > >too > > > much. Cut back on the food. Do the fish miss a lot of the food when you > > > place it in the tank? > > > > > >Not the Danios, they go after everything they see moving. They usually eat > >it up quite good, I feel. > > > >It may be sinking too fast for them, try a different > > > type of food--flakes if you are using pellets or granules. Different > >foods > > > will have different rates of sinking. > > > > >We use the nutrafin max, in the granules, we used to use the flake food, > >but > >I got the other becuase it was supposed to help in algea reduction. > > > > > > > What is your pH? What is your ammonia? Your nitrates and nitrites? > > > > > >That I have no idea on. We have no kits to test the water but if wean't > >clear it up we are going to taek samples to out pet store to see what is in > >the water. > > > > > > These > > > are important measures, especially when you are having a problem in your > > > tank. Forego the filter packs with the carbon and zeolite in them. For > >the > > > most part, you should not need either. Just use an insert that is only > > > polyester fiber. If you do have an ammonia problem, use a product such > >as > > > Amquel not the plus version) to help control the ammonia. It will help > >the > > > necessary bacteria get established while converting the ammonia to a > > > substance that is not harmful to your fish. > > > > > > I just re-read your message, and you have a 5 gallon tank (likely 5.5 > > > gallons) and that can be a tough size to deal with. You should actually > >get > > > the biggest tank you have the room and budget for. I've kept 5 gallon > >tanks > > > before, and they can be the devil to properly care for--and I like to > >think > > > I know what I am doing. The 5 gallon is only good for keeping a few > > > relatively small fish in. it is hard to maintain a stable temperature, > >or > >a > > > stable level of anything in. > > > > > > >I had thought a bigger tank would be good but we just don't have the room > >for a bigger one right now, that's why we got the small one to start out > >with. We didn't think a small one would be so hard to deal with. > > > > > I'd recommend a good book to help you out. A book I like to recommend to > > > novices is the Baensch Atlas of Aquarium fishes, Volume 1. It has a good > > > section on setting up the tank, a decent section on live plants, and > >tons > >of > > > fish pictured in it. If there are used book stores near you, you can > > > probably find a copy fairly inexpensively. It normally sells for around > >$40 > > > US. > > > > > > > > > \\Steve// > > > > > >Thanks for the info. Karen. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > >On > > > Behalf Of micheal03us > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:28 PM > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Hello > > > > > > Hi, > > > My name is Karen and I joined the group hoping to find someone who > > > can help me with my algea problem and to share the enjoyment of fish > > > with others. I haven't had my tank long but since we had to start > > > getting a different size of media for the filter we have had nothing > > > but trouble with with green algea. It is a bright green and very > > > hard to get rid of. I tried all the suggestions given to me and even > > > have an algea eater but it still keeps coming back. > > > It's gotten so that I have have to clean the filter and the media > > > every two days just to get rid of it. I'm afraid that if I can't > > > find a way to get of it, it's going to make my fish sick. > > > The filter I have came with the 5 gallon kit, the media, the > > > ammonia and charcoal bags had large pieces in them and filled the > > > place where they go nicely and seemd to really work, there was no > > > signs of algea and we used the stuff that came with the kit when > > > changing the water. Now, when we get the media, it comes in the bags > > > the pices are very tiny and do not fill up the entire chamber that > > > thye go in and I wonder if that is the problem, that this new stuff > > > isn't filtering like the bigger pieces did. > > > It has been a couple of weeks since I cleaned the rocks and I can > > > see it getting into them again and turning them green, it won't be > > > long before it starts on the glass behind the heater. > > > I don't know what to do, we have a live plant and it's nto near a > > > window. I love my fish and I don't want to see them get sick cause > > > of this stufrf. Is there anything I can do to stop this? > > > I have a digital camera and once I get the hang of taking pics of > > > them with it, I'll share some pics of my cuties. Have a great day, > > > Karen. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT > > > > > Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)" <- > <º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸. > We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Adorabelle http://svenslittlegirl.bravepages.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17243	From: mitzizot	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Plants

Thanks, the coffee filter was a great idea. I have my DIY CO2 and lighting up, and ordered some plants. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17244	From: Tricia Wilkerson	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Xpost-- UGF question

I have a 29 gal (goldfish and a few pest snails) and a 55 gal (live bearer and pest snails and 4 corries) right now there are no live plants in either tank, though I hope eventually to be able to make them both planted (most likely will be a year or better). I am considering using UGF in both (they are both approx 1 yr cycled) until I am able to switch over to planted. I am just wondering if the UGF would benefit my fishy friends, and didn't know where else I could get info from others who have personal exp. with using UGF..... Sorry for the Xpost. TIA ********************************************** MM & MP, '73 Tricia, KG6PNC A couple of sites for fun http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=trycya http://www.gopetslive.com/inviter/?Trycya

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17245	From: eastbroadtop2000	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Fish illness.....

Hello im fairly new to the fish keeping hobby and discovered large bubbles on my sucker fish. is this ick??? Photos of him are at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/browse/1fc7 If not ick what is it and what is the best way to treat him. Contact me at lne660@... Thanks Paul Sternitzke

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17246	From: Len	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Algea

I have a 20 tall fish tank and ever since I have set this take up algae has been a problem. I clean it gets it under control and then bam the wall are covered and the water is green. Any suggestions on getting it under control.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17247	From: MitziZot@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: angel fish

only see the short fin striped fish available locally. Do they still have the veil tails, and black, blushing angel fish? Tiggy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17248	From: Karen Millett	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea

I have a problem with algea too. I have a 5 gallon tank. It started out good but the last while it grows it and I have a hard time keeping it under control. PLease see the group emails entitled "hello", posted from me "micheal03us" for some suggestions. Karen. > From: "Len" <dhmicop@...> > Date: 2006/06/15 Thu PM 08:11:07 EST > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Algea > > I have a 20 tall fish tank and ever since I have set this take up > algae has been a problem. I clean it gets it under control and then > bam the wall are covered and the water is green. Any suggestions on > getting it under control. > > > > > Adorabelle http://svenslittlegirl.bravepages.com

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17249	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: angel fish

I wanted veils but couldn't find them locally. I ordered from Fosters and Smith and they are wonderful, healthy and gorgeous. =) ~Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MitziZot@... Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:19 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] angel fish only see the short fin striped fish available locally. Do they still have the veil tails, and black, blushing angel fish? Tiggy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17250	From: Ash	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1221

A great way to share experience & ask ?sis it just me or does the concept of an automatic feeder ruin the fun of keeping fish? unless you were going on a long holiday i guess... ----- Original Message ----- Re automatic feeders Posted by: "Terry" preciousgrin@... preciousgrin Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:43 am (PST) Can anyone recommend an auto feeder that would be suitable for a 180 gal tank ? Tia Terry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17251	From: aclaar877	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea

Unless you have live plants, I would just cut back drastically on the time you have the lights on. In addition, do regular water changes. I maintain my girlfriend's 16 gallon, and the light is on about 4-5 hours a day. No problem with algae. If you have live plants, let us know. Then it's a more delicate balancing act between light, nutrients, and carbon dioxide, which we can elaborate on. AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Len" <dhmicop@...> wrote: > > I have a 20 tall fish tank and ever since I have set this take up > algae has been a problem. I clean it gets it under control and then > bam the wall are covered and the water is green. Any suggestions on > getting it under control. >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17252	From: leonard stewart	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea

I do weekly water changes and the light is on to much as the tank is in the basement. It is on about 12 hours a day. It is home to 12 small angels which appear to be healthy and eat very good. My other tanks show no signs of algea and are on the same amount of time. aclaar877 <aclaar877@...> wrote: Unless you have live plants, I would just cut back drastically on the time you have the lights on. In addition, do regular water changes. I maintain my girlfriend's 16 gallon, and the light is on about 4-5 hours a day. No problem with algae. If you have live plants, let us know. Then it's a more delicate balancing act between light, nutrients, and carbon dioxide, which we can elaborate on. AC --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Len" <dhmicop@...> wrote: > > I have a 20 tall fish tank and ever since I have set this take up > algae has been a problem. I clean it gets it under control and then > bam the wall are covered and the water is green. Any suggestions on > getting it under control. > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17253	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Xpost-- UGF question

Tricia, At this juncture, I'd not bother with the UGF. You would need to tear your tank apart, put the plates in, then put everything back into place. Too much work from my point of view, plus, from your post, it seems that your tank does not have any particular difficulty. If you were just setting up the tank, I'd say, fine, go for it, but in an established tank, forget it. You are doing well to have only one goldfish in your 29. That is the right way to stock that size tank. He should do well. He will probably do even better when you plant the tank. He'll look at the plant and think "LUNCH!!!!". Some plants may survive the attentions of your goldfish, Anubias spp. Come to mind, but then you need to worry about his rooting in the gravel, as most goldfish are wont to do. You may well want to consider some artificial plants in the meanwhile, while you check out what may be good to place with a goldfish. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Wilkerson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:56 PM To: UniQuaria; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Xpost-- UGF question I have a 29 gal (goldfish and a few pest snails) and a 55 gal (live bearer and pest snails and 4 corries) right now there are no live plants in either tank, though I hope eventually to be able to make them both planted (most likely will be a year or better). I am considering using UGF in both (they are both approx 1 yr cycled) until I am able to switch over to planted. I am just wondering if the UGF would benefit my fishy friends, and didn't know where else I could get info from others who have personal exp. with using UGF..... Sorry for the Xpost. TIA ********************************************** MM & MP, '73 Tricia, KG6PNC A couple of sites for fun http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=trycya http://www.gopetslive.com/inviter/?Trycya

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17254	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....

That is definitely not ich on your fish. Ich is like salt crystals spread over the body, and possibly the fins, of the fish. Unfortunately, the photos you posted were not of sufficient quality, or close enough to hazard a guess as to what your fish may have. Perhaps you could give a better description of the symptoms you are seeing, someone may be able to help you with it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eastbroadtop2000 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish illness..... Hello im fairly new to the fish keeping hobby and discovered large bubbles on my sucker fish. is this ick??? Photos of him are at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/browse/1fc7 If not ick what is it and what is the best way to treat him. Contact me at lne660@... Thanks Paul Sternitzke

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17255	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....

I thought the pictures were pretty good actually. It's obvious that there are large white, circular growths of varying sizes all over the fish. While they may not be "growths", there is no mistaking what they look like which should be of great help to aid someone in a diagnosis. Assuming of course that anyone has seen or heard of this which I myself am personally mystified. But again, I think the pictures are pretty good and I will fish around the internet to see what I can come up with for you. =) I can't gaurantee anything but I would like to at least try. I'm always eager to learn of ailments so I will know of them if I ever see them again. Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:03 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Fish illness..... That is definitely not ich on your fish. Ich is like salt crystals spread over the body, and possibly the fins, of the fish. Unfortunately, the photos you posted were not of sufficient quality, or close enough to hazard a guess as to what your fish may have. Perhaps you could give a better description of the symptoms you are seeing, someone may be able to help you with it. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eastbroadtop2000 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:16 AM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Fish illness..... Hello im fairly new to the fish keeping hobby and discovered large bubbles on my sucker fish. is this ick??? Photos of him are at http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/browse/1fc7> yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/browse/1fc7 If not ick what is it and what is the best way to treat him. Contact me at lne660@earthlink. <mailto:lne660%40earthlink.net> net Thanks Paul Sternitzke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17256	From: hank voss	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Fish illness.....

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "eastbroadtop2000" <lne660@...> wrote: > > Hello im fairly new to the fish keeping hobby and discovered large > bubbles on my sucker fish. is this ick??? > > Photos of him are at > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/photos/browse/1fc7 > > If not ick what is it and what is the best way to treat him. > Contact me at lne660@... > Thanks > Paul Sternitzke > ===================== Hi: Photos really should be a closeup shot its rather hard to tell from a distance.Ive seen similiar lumps on plecos,hoplos and certain large cichlids they could be cysts or a parasite never kept the fish that had long enough to findout what they were i disposed of the fish first.They dont seem to be contagious though. Hank

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17257	From: Steve Szabo	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Algea

There is another, recent thread here about algae. Algae will grow in the presence of light and food. If you provided enough of both, you can have a problem with algae. Reducing one will help you get it under control, reducing both will nearly eradicate algae. You do not mention what kind of algae you have. Some types can be treated with drugs, and that will cause the removal of those types, but, unless you determine what caused it to grow, it will make a comeback. There are some types where, to truly rid yourself of them, you must tear down the tank and sterilize it. However, most will respond by reducing their presence if you reduce the amount of light the tank receives, and you reduce the food they are feeding on. The most important food to remove are the nitrogenous wastes that occur and are produced as part of the tank's cycle. If you let your nitrates get out of control, you can have an algal outbreak. Phosphates are an important part of most algal diets. They can be introduced via your water supply (difficult to deal with) or via the foods you are feeding your fish (change foods). If you do not already have test kits, you should get them and use them (I like the Aqua-Tru brand.) They will help pinpoint the nitrogenous products in your water, and this will aid you in reducing the ones that may be causing your problem. \\Steve// -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:11 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Algea I have a 20 tall fish tank and ever since I have set this take up algae has been a problem. I clean it gets it under control and then bam the wall are covered and the water is green. Any suggestions on getting it under control.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17258	From: Dawn	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Hi My Name Is Dawn

Hi, I am expecting a Beta Fish to arrive next week. I have a five galoon tank, with a lite and a whisper filter. I have a few trumpet snails but, I want some shrimp. Please do not tell me to get some Ghost Shrimp. LOL I have tried that before and it does not work. I need a shimpt that has a LONG life span, gets along well with Betas and eats flake food. I know they exist as I have seen them. LOL I just was too dumb to put them on my favorite. It is great to be a part of this group. Love, Dawn

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17259	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

See if there is a local freecycle and ask if there is one collecting dust in a garage. I occasionally pick up tanks and stands from people cleaning out the garage. Also check craigslist.org, if there is a list local to you, and see if anyone has one for a reasonable price. You might even be able to swap for a smaller tank with a stand. Something like a 55 or 40 gallon. Once people hear it is for a school they usually give things up a bit cheaper. Might even try the local newspaper to see if one is available. Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17260	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

I posted this a day or two back. Are all posts taking this long or I am the only one being moderated? Mike In a message dated 6/16/2006 11:36:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Deenerz@... writes: See if there is a local freecycle and ask if there is one collecting dust in a garage. I occasionally pick up tanks and stands from people cleaning out the garage. Also check craigslist.org, if there is a list local to you, and see if anyone has one for a reasonable price. You might even be able to swap for a smaller tank with a stand. Something like a 55 or 40 gallon. Once people hear it is for a school they usually give things up a bit cheaper. Might even try the local newspaper to see if one is available. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17261	From: Hollyer Cart	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1221

might make it so you can clean the tank with out being swarmed by fish lol holly >From: "Ash" <ash_nug@...> >Reply-To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com >To: "No Reply" ><notify-dg-AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>,<AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Digest Number 1221 >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:12:55 +1000 > >A great way to share experience & ask ?sis it just me or does the concept >of an automatic feeder ruin the fun of keeping fish? >unless you were going on a long holiday i guess... > ----- Original Message ----- > Re automatic feeders > Posted by: "Terry" preciousgrin@... preciousgrin > Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:43 am (PST) > Can anyone recommend an auto feeder that would be suitable for a 180 > gal tank ? > > Tia > Terry > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job � there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17262	From: yan_ederson13	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Buon giorno

Hi to u all...i haven` t yet any aquarium but the experience of being among people that do have onhe is something pretty enlightening and practical i have to admit....thank u all..

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17263	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Hi Mike, It has something to do with Yahoo!'s new group mail deal. Your message was stuck in the "Spam?" box, I do not know how or why, again - it has everything to do w/ Yahoo. You have been unmoderated for a couple years now, so it doesn't make any sense at all. [Unmoderated] "Posting Messages: Override: This member may post without moderation" I have not been as active with the group as I used to be. We could benefit from some more Moderators to help keep the messages from being delayed. Anybody interested or available in being a group moderator? Thanks, Aaron --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@... wrote: > > > I posted this a day or two back. Are all posts taking this long or I am the > only one being moderated? > Mike

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17264	From: harry perry	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Buon giorno/yan

Talk to us about your dreams, maybe we can help Harry. yan_ederson13 <yan_ederson13@...> wrote: Hi to u all...i haven` t yet any aquarium but the experience of being among people that do have onhe is something pretty enlightening and practical i have to admit....thank u all.. Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17265	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: new Yahoo! Groups email (was - Re: Unlevel tank)

[(*)] There's something new. Check out the new Yahoo! Groups email. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41335/*http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemai\ l.html> http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html <http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html> Improved Message Search. Now you can quickly sort through message archives with the new Yahoo! Groups message search. With the "advanced search" feature, find message by date or author. Check out the new Yahoo! Groups email. <http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html> New! Compose your message with Rich-Text Editor (Beta) <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/post?referer=/group/AquaticLi\ fe/join%3fyguid%3d141033912%26finish%3dmod&use_rte=1> . --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > It has something to do with Yahoo!'s new group mail deal. Your > message was stuck in the "Spam?" box, I do not know how or why, > again - it has everything to do w/ Yahoo. > > You have been unmoderated for a couple years now, so it doesn't make > any sense at all. > > [Unmoderated] > > "Posting Messages: Override: This member may post without moderation" > > I have not been as active with the group as I used to be. > > We could benefit from some more Moderators to help keep the messages > from being delayed. > > Anybody interested or available in being a group moderator? > > Thanks, > Aaron > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@ wrote: > > > > > > I posted this a day or two back. Are all posts taking this long > or I am the > > only one being moderated? > > Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17266	From: Deenerz@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Unlevel tank

Thanks for the reply. Yes, Yahoo has been messing with things a bit lately. Mike In a message dated 6/17/2006 9:13:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, anonymous122899@... writes: Hi Mike, It has something to do with Yahoo!'s new group mail deal. Your message was stuck in the "Spam?" box, I do not know how or why, again - it has everything to do w/ Yahoo. You have been unmoderated for a couple years now, so it doesn't make any sense at all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17267	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: Newly arrived angel is sick

I received two angels last Wednesday and the smaller of the two has not eaten at all, that I have seen, and hangs around the top of the water constantly. When it sees the larger angel, the sickly one swims along with it for a while then goes to the top again after only a few seconds. It will swim up to the food as if interested but then backs away. I'm thinking to quarentine her from the other and treat for internal parasites w/ water meds. I tried to feed antiparasitic food but since she won't eat it can't do any good. I tried mushing it up and everything. I have Clout and Jungle general cure for parasites. I am thinking to put her a in a quarentine 10 gallon and then treating it with either of the two meds. Any suggestions? Thanks, ~Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17268	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick

Leslie, Yes, isolate the fish in the 10 gallon quarantine tank for treatment, even though its possible that the other Angel may show the same symptoms in time. You'll just have to keep an eye on the larger one. Clout has been used for this illness (which appears to be the onset of Hexamita), which has apparently resulted in success although this medication is a bit harsh with the slightest overdosing being harmful. If you care to try it, since you already have it, just be careful I believe the dosage is one (1) tablet per 10 gallons but to be sure, check the directions. The medication of choice is Metronidazole which can be found offered from SeaChem. The better medication is Hex-Out (by Aquarium Products), containing both Metronidazole and Flagyl, along with Imidazole and Methyl-5-Nitro. As there's no danger in overdosing with Metronidazole, best results are had when used in combination with Internal Parasite Guard (by Jungle Labs), which also contains Metronidazole. For most effectiveness increase the temperature to 93o (regardless of which medication used), and always increase the aeration when boosting the temperature above normal. It may take two treatments before you see results. Feed Pepso (by Jungle Labs) medicated food as the appetite comes back. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > I received two angels last Wednesday and the smaller of the two has not > eaten at all, that I have seen, and hangs around the top of the water > constantly. When it sees the larger angel, the sickly one swims along > with it for a while then goes to the top again after only a few seconds. > > It will swim up to the food as if interested but then backs away. > > I'm thinking to quarentine her from the other and treat for internal > parasites w/ water meds. I tried to feed antiparasitic food but since > she won't eat it can't do any good. I tried mushing it up and > everything. > > I have Clout and Jungle general cure for parasites. I am thinking to > put her a in a quarentine 10 gallon and then treating it with either of > the two meds. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > ~Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17269	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: locked mouth?

Hi all! I have a weird problem, my firemouth swims around with his mouth wide open and have done so for two days now. He doesn't eat, at least not when I see it and he stays by himself most of the time. Does any of you know why he's doing that, is that anything I can do? thankful for answers Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17270	From: james bruce moat	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: locked mouth?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "eandtuta1924" <eandtuta1924@...> wrote: > > Hi all! > I have a weird problem, my firemouth swims around with his mouth wide > open and have done so for two days now. He doesn't eat, at least not > when I see it and he stays by himself most of the time. Does any of > you know why he's doing that, is that anything I can do? > thankful for answers > Magdalena > i have had that problem in a gold fish and when i checked it farther i found that he had a piece of gravel stuck in his thraot , i was able to remove it with fine tweezers but that may not be your case , it is however worth looking into

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17271	From: kepat2000	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: snails in tank

i have a 48*18*12 tropical which has been set up for 10 months with no problems,all of the sudden i started getting loads of snails.has anyone any idea how to get rid of them.it is a community tank kept in the living room and i put the lights on about 5 hours a day.thanks.

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17272	From: harry perry	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????

You didn't mention live plants but that is how the snails normally get there. I hear this a lot across the groups. I have snails in all my tanks and I want them there. First off they are an excellant scavanger. They can also predict potential water problems. They will come to the surface at "lights out" but if this happens during the day I test my water. They are a big help in fry tanks. Keeping it clean and creating infusoria. I wouldn't try to get rid of all of them. Just think of them as your maintenance dept. Harry kepat2000 <kepat16@...> wrote: i have a 48*18*12 tropical which has been set up for 10 months with no problems,all of the sudden i started getting loads of snails.has anyone any idea how to get rid of them.it is a community tank kept in the living room and i put the lights on about 5 hours a day.thanks. Visit us at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/badis-dario --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17273	From: shefy7	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: new salt tank!

Hello all! My name is Shefy and I'm finally setting up my saltwater tank for myself. A little about myself...I'm 22, live in bay area, CA, just graduated from UCD in psychology/humna dev. I have always loved the water and all sea animals. I can finally afford and maintain a tank of my own :) I bought a tank from petco (great deal!)..it's a 46 gallon bowfront glass aquarium with stainless steel stand...i'll post pics in a few days. I wanted some opinions on how to get started! I did research, but many years ago... I'm going to use red sea salt (14 lbs i think...) I want to go to the beach and get fresh sand and shells and what not...I'm not going to put it any fish for awhile. Just start off with the rocks,sand, and then plants. I'd like some corals, anemones, and then eventually fish! I'd like some suggestions for filters, air pumps, and anything else I may need. Thanks much and hope all your sea life is doing great! Shefy

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17274	From: Aaron R. Martin	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????

get a puffer fish, that's what I did, and I wasn't even trying to get rid of the snails, but they are almost all gone now, it took less than a week, and that "cute factor" is unbeatable. Clown Loaches are another popular choice to eat snails, plus they earned the clown part of the name, but need to get several as they do not like to be alone - very social they are. I'm with Harry- I like the snails. I had 4 different Kinds, Malaysian Trumpet Snails (MTS), Ramshorn, 1 large Apple Snail, and another shape of the small kind similar almost in shape to the apple. They keep the glass and plants clean of Algae. The mts keep the Substrate stirred up. I had to start a new tank just to raise the snails for the puffer becuase it almost ate itself out of a food supply. And yes, mine came with th Live Plants. I freaked out at first as well. Now I understand how good they are and the LFSs let me take as many as I can out of their tanks for free. You can smash em and the fish will eat them, a delacacy yes. So ?'s What fish do you have in there now? When did the snails first show up? Was it after getting plants? How many snails are there now? 100's 1,000s? What do they look like(what kind are they? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, harry perry <harryfisherman@...> wrote: > > You didn't mention live plants but that is how the snails normally get there. > > I hear this a lot across the groups. I have snails in all my tanks and I want them there. > > First off they are an excellant scavanger. > > They can also predict potential water problems. They will come to the surface at "lights out" but if this happens during the day I test my water. > > They are a big help in fry tanks. Keeping it clean and creating infusoria. > > I wouldn't try to get rid of all of them. Just think of them as your maintenance dept. > > Harry ------------------------------------------ > kepat2000 <kepat16@...> wrote: i have a 48*18*12 tropical which has been set up for 10 months with no problems,all of the sudden i started getting loads of snails. has anyone any idea how to get rid of them.it is a community tank kept in the living room and i put the lights on about 5 hours a day.thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17275	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick

She's in the 10 gal w/ the first dose of clout. I've tried to find the pepso food but I can not find it online and it isn't sold anywhere here. If anyone has a link to a store that actually has this in stock, please share. I've turned the temp up and will do so again here in a few hours. What's the max I should raise it to? You said 92? That seems high but I'm also not experienced in parasite treatments. Just looking for a confirmation that it's the correct temp and not a typo so I don't fry my fish. =) I have a 30 gal bio wheel on the 10 gal tank she is in. Is that enough oxygenation or should I also add an airstone? Thanks again, Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:03 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newly arrived angel is sick . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714&grpId=8495157&grpspId=1600042752&m sgId=17268&stime=1150725980> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17276	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Newly arrived angel is sick

You may not need the Pepso as it will only be eaten now after the fish is (hopefully) on its way to recovering. Always good to feed as a preventative measure (every 21 days) to help prevent a relapse or the other one getting it. Yes I did say 93 (ninety three); it it a bit high, but these fish will be able to take it. You can combine the Clout with Metronidazole also if you can locate it. When I mention to increase the aeration, I meant just that INCREASE it! -- beyond the normal aeration you have now from any form. Yes, the addition of an airstone will add that increased aeration -- the bio- wheel itself may not provide enough. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > She's in the 10 gal w/ the first dose of clout. I've tried to find the > pepso food but I can not find it online and it isn't sold anywhere here. > If anyone has a link to a store that actually has this in stock, please > share. > > I've turned the temp up and will do so again here in a few hours. > What's the max I should raise it to? You said 92? That seems high but > I'm also not experienced in parasite treatments. Just looking for a > confirmation that it's the correct temp and not a typo so I don't fry > my fish. =) > > I have a 30 gal bio wheel on the 10 gal tank she is in. Is that enough > oxygenation or should I also add an airstone? > > Thanks again, > Leslie > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:03 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newly arrived angel is sick > > > > . > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? s=97359714&grpId=8495157&grpspId=1600042752&m > sgId=17268&stime=1150725980> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17277	From: snerticus	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: snails in tank/Live plants????

I agree that snails are beneficial, however, I also know from experience that they can get out of hand and stay that way without a little extra maintenance procedures. I have a Yo Yo Loach that does short work of the nuisance snails in my tank. I also have Malaysian Trumpet snails in with him and he can't seem to figure out how to eat them, so he leaves them alone. I had a dwarf puffer, but all he did was kill the snails and eat the outermost part, then leave the innaccessable parts inside the shell to rot. For that reason, I wouldn't reccomend the dwarf variety of puffers unless their mouths are big enough to munch the shell. My Yo Yo loach, although small, just sucks the entire snail out of it's shell. Mmmmmmm... escargot! I have a separate tank for raising gammarus shrimp (and other critters) that I also deliberately put nuisance snails in to raise for loach food. They have infested that tank already, but until I'm absolutely sick of taking care of the snails, they're there to stay. I also have a large nerite snail which does NOT reproduce in freshwater, and is too large for my Yo Yo Loach to eat, he goes about his business without much to worry about. You can see a pic of my Yo Yo Loach at my not-so-high-tech web site www.snerticus.com. I don't have any ramshorn, mystery, or other types of beneficial snails in my tanks - just the MTS and the nuisance (pond?) snails, and that one nerite. I keep the nuisance snails under control with snail eating fish, but the MTS I let reproduce. (Those MTS babies gotta be the cutest thing!). I really like the fact they stir up the gravel and keep it aerated. Hope some of this helped. Snerticus --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron R. Martin" <anonymous122899@...> wrote: > > get a puffer fish, that's what I did, and I wasn't even trying to get > rid of the snails, but they are almost all gone now, it took less than > a week, and that "cute factor" is unbeatable. Clown Loaches are another > popular choice to eat snails, plus they earned the clown part of the > name, but need to get several as they do not like to be alone - very > social they are. I'm with Harry- I like the snails. I had 4 different > Kinds, Malaysian Trumpet Snails (MTS), Ramshorn, 1 large Apple Snail, > and another shape of the small kind similar almost in shape to the > apple. They keep the glass and plants clean of Algae. The mts keep the > Substrate stirred up. I had to start a new tank just to raise the > snails for the puffer becuase it almost ate itself out of a food > supply. And yes, mine came with th Live Plants. I freaked out at first > as well. Now I understand how good they are and the LFSs let me take as > many as I can out of their tanks for free. You can smash em and the > fish will eat them, a delacacy yes. So ?'s What fish do you have in > there now? When did the snails first show up? Was it after getting > plants? How many snails are there now? 100's 1,000s? What do they look > like(what kind are they? --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, harry > perry <harryfisherman@> wrote: > > You didn't mention live plants > but that is how the snails normally get there. > > I hear this a lot > across the groups. I have snails in all my tanks and I want them there. > > > First off they are an excellant scavanger. > > They can also > predict potential water problems. They will come to the surface at > "lights out" but if this happens during the day I test my water. > > > They are a big help in fry tanks. Keeping it clean and creating > infusoria. > > I wouldn't try to get rid of all of them. Just think of > them as your maintenance dept. > > Harry > ------------------------------------------ > kepat2000 <kepat16@> > wrote: i have a 48*18*12 tropical which has been set up for 10 months > with no problems,all of the sudden i started getting loads of snails. > has anyone any idea how to get rid of them.it is a community tank kept > in the living room and i put the lights on about 5 hours a day.thanks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17278	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Vacation prep/backup air pumps

I'm going on vacation soon and the only thing I haven't taken care of regarding the tanks is back up aeration. I've looked at some that kick on automatically but they are around $50-60 (plus ship) each and I need two of them. Does anyone have something they would recommend or had successes with? I might splurge on these if I must but I at least want to make sure I've researched my options. Many thanks, Leslie BTW...I will also buy them used if anyone has any they are ready to part with. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17279	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Vacation prep/backup air pumps

I think I just found one on ebay. It's only $14 plus shipping if anyone else is looking to obtain one at a good price. It looks small but air is air is air when the power goes out. (and the seller said he has used it in his 55 g. tanks several times with success.) ~Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:40 AM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; uniquaria@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Vacation prep/backup air pumps I'm going on vacation soon and the only thing I haven't taken care of regarding the tanks is back up aeration. I've looked at some that kick on automatically but they are around $50-60 (plus ship) each and I need two of them. Does anyone have something they would recommend or had successes with? I might splurge on these if I must but I at least want to make sure I've researched my options. Many thanks, Leslie BTW...I will also buy them used if anyone has any they are ready to part with. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17280	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: HELP! Angel is dying

My angelfish is lying on the floor breathing but not moving. I came in to find her on the filter intake about 10 minutes ago and now she's on the floor. I've turned the temp down and the bubbles off as the current was a little strong. Is there some kind of fish shock that I can do to get her going again or is this it with no chance. I'll take any chance if someone will give me something to do. Leslie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17281	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying

Sorry to have to say, it doesn't look good (I believe this may be it). The smaller they are, the faster the Hexamita disease goes through them. Was naturally hoping the meds might have turned things around in time but it does not appear to be the case. At least you gave it a try. This is a terrible disease that can go through smaller fish like lightening, and is even very hard on large fish. Wish I had better news for you. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > My angelfish is lying on the floor breathing but not moving. I came in > to find her on the filter intake about 10 minutes ago and now she's on > the floor. I've turned the temp down and the bubbles off as the current > was a little strong. > Is there some kind of fish shock that I can do to get her going again or > is this it with no chance. I'll take any chance if someone will give me > something to do. > Leslie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17282	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray

Thanks for responding regardless of the text. She did die about 15 minutes ago. Gosh that sucks. Angels have such great personable personalities so it makes it double hard to see them die. Should I try to get another tank mate for the healthier larger angel? I know they like to be in pairs. If I do, it won't be for a while. I don't get home from vacation until July 4th. Are there any other meds I should have on hand if this were to take control again? I looked up the two other meds you mentioned, perhapas I'll order them when I get back. Also, is there a medicated flake food? I do have the pepso by Jungle, both for parasites and bacteria, but many fish don't like the pellets. They spit them out. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17283	From: eandtuta1924	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: my fish are dying

hello! In my 55 gallon tank I've had angles and gouramis. But in the last 2 weeks I've lost them all (a total of 7 fish). One day they're fine and the next morinig I find them dead and I can't figure out why. I recently, about 4 weeks ago, added live plants to the tank to help take down the nitrate level some. My water parameters seeme just fine, nitrate is close to 80 but it's always been high and they have thrived before. I've been thinking of using the tank for discus but I want to make sure there's nothing wrong with it before I do and I'm really upset about my angles and gouramis death. Right now all I have in the tank is 2 long finned rose barbs, 1 gourami, 1 rainbow shark and a pleco, and they all seem to be allright. Any suggestions on what can be wrong? thanks Magdalena

Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17284	From: Leslie & Dane Moore	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray

Also, is this contagious? My remaning angel is now being picky with food. He sucks it in then immediately spits it out. ARgh! I will never have fish shipped again. Are angels just prone to this? I did read that hexamita is common in them, but what causes it? And again, will it spread to my other fish? Thanks, Leslie <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:34 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray Thanks for responding regardless of the text. She did die about 15 minutes ago. Gosh that sucks. Angels have such great personable personalities so it makes it double hard to see them die. Should I try to get another tank mate for the healthier larger angel? I know they like to be in pairs. If I do, it won't be for a while. I don't get home from vacation until July 4th. Are there any other meds I should have on hand if this were to take control again? I looked up the two other meds you mentioned, perhapas I'll order them when I get back. Also, is there a medicated flake food? I do have the pepso by Jungle, both for parasites and bacteria, but many fish don't like the pellets. They spit them out. Thanks again Ray, Leslie <http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> -----Original Message----- From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:24 PM To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HELP! Angel is dying We Made Changes Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17285	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray

Yes this is contagious. For some reason Cichlids seem to have more of a propensity towards contracting this disease more than most any other group of fish. Angelfish are especially disposed to getting it. Its possible that your other Angel may be coming down with it; might be a good idea to treat that one as well. As long as he's still eating, try to find the medicated Pepso food (or any medicated food) and give him that along with the medication. Both "That Fish Place" -- < www.thatfishplace.com > and "Doctors Foster and Smith" (Pet Warehouse) < www.DrsFosterSmith.com > carry Jungle Labs products and may carry it even though its not listed in their catalogs. Strangely, I have not seen another Family of fish being infected by it. The disease is caused by a protozoan infection in the digestive system. Often, the fish will live with it for a good length of time in a symbiotic relationship with it until the fish is stressed. One of the most prevalent stress causing conditions that caused Hexamita to overtake its host is poor water conditions. For that reason alone, large and frequent water changes are recommended to keep Angels in top shape. Sometimes however, its just the stress of moving them -- more so, if the water conditions are different during the move. In any case, the protozoan may well have been in the fish's environment somewhere in its recent background, UNLESS the fish was originally totally free of it originally (and had no immunity to it), and was subjected to it in its present environment. Before having fish shipped to you again, get to know the breeder you are buying from. If possible, try to find out more about his reputation. This will cut down on incidences such as this, even if it may not totally eliminate them. Even the best breeders may not be aware of latent Hexamita in their tanks if it doesn't show. Always best to quarantine newly received fish (whether store bought or shipped in), especially Angels and Discus. While I don't generally like medicating fish unnecessarily, this is one time that I would give treatment first as a prophylactic measure, as its much easier to get rid of the protozoan in its intial stages rather than wait until it manifests itself, especially (depending on their source) since Angels are known to carry it. Ray --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie & Dane Moore" <5moores@...> wrote: > > Also, is this contagious? My remaning angel is now being picky with > food. He sucks it in then immediately spits it out. ARgh! I will > never have fish shipped again. > > Are angels just prone to this? I did read that hexamita is common in > them, but what causes it? And again, will it spread to my other fish? > > Thanks, > Leslie > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CabotWomensClub/?yguid=239407322> > > -----Original Message----- > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Leslie & Dane Moore > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:34 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray > > > > Thanks for responding regardless of the text. She did die about 15 > minutes ago. Gosh that sucks. > Angels have such great personable personalities so it makes it double > hard to see them die. > > Should I try to get another tank mate for the healthier larger angel? I > know they like to be in pairs. > If I do, it won't be for a while. I don't get home from vacation until > July 4th. > > Are there any other meds I should have on hand if this were to take > control again? 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Group: AquaticLife	Message: 17286	From: Raymond Wetzel	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! Angel is dying, Ray

I did not see this message earlier, and just spotted it attached to the bottom of your later post after I sent my reply to that. Sorry about your loss. I didn't think he'd last very much longer after I read the description of his condition. You're